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Channel log from 29 October 2009 (all times are UTC)
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| 06:39 | <honeybadger> hey there
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| 06:39 | need some help
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| 06:39 | any body there
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| 06:43 | <alkisg_work> !ask
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| 06:43 | <ltspbot> alkisg_work: "ask" is Don't ask to ask a question, simply ask it, and if someone knows the answer, they'll respond. Please hang around for at least 15 minutes after asking a question, as not everybody constantly monitors the channel.
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| 06:43 | <alkisg_work> honeybadger: ^^^
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| 07:25 | <cliebow> sudo ltsp-build-client --mirror http://ports.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-ports
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| 07:26 | ogra: that fails as well
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| 07:29 | <scottmaccal> hey all
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| 07:29 | working on Mac boot as well
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| 07:29 | right now
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| 07:30 | doing Ubun 9.10 install on iMac G4
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| 07:30 | I also have what we call a silver bullet (silver G4 Mac tower) going as well
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| 07:31 | <ogra> cliebow, whats the error ?
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| 07:32 | <cliebow> failed to fetch...ill pastebot
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| 07:32 | <scottmaccal> 2 more Windows boxes gone today. Ubuntu on each. All x86 boxes in the library are now GNU/Linux
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| 07:33 | <ltsppbot> "cliebow" pasted "I: Base system installed succe" (82 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/601
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| 07:33 | <scottmaccal> 'looking forward to LTSP to fill the void'
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| 07:34 | <cliebow> scottmaccal, you saw the build-client command i am trying?
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| 07:35 | <scottmaccal> sudo ltsp-build-client --mirror http://ports.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-ports
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| 07:35 | ?
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| 07:35 | is that is?
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| 07:35 | man I have tired hand this morning
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| 07:36 | can't type
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| 07:36 | <cliebow> i never could...
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| 07:36 | <scottmaccal> heh
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| 07:37 | <cliebow> scottmaccal, this icmd fails..but ogra is looking at paste and when he has time will get back'
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| 07:37 | <scottmaccal> cool
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| 07:38 | <scottmaccal> I've got a table of various hardware in the office to work on
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| 07:38 | now
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| 07:38 | <ogra_> cliebow, hmm
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| 07:39 | grep ports /etc/apt/sources.list
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| 07:39 | (on the server)
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| 07:43 | <ltsppbot> "cliebow" pasted "cliebow@ubuntu:/opt/ltsp$ grep" (34 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/602
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| 07:44 | <sbalneav> ltspbot: status
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| 07:44 | <ltspbot> sbalneav: I am connected to freenode as ltspbot.
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| 07:44 | <cliebow> it is ther twice..
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| 07:46 | <cliebow> brb
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| 08:34 | <scottmaccal> 'err red screen'
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| 08:34 | \say 'must try again'
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| 08:35 | * scottmaccal 'err. need more coffee' | |
| 08:36 | * scottmaccal Scott pours a cup of black gold | |
| 08:37 | * scottmaccal 'progress' | |
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| 08:38 | <ogra> cliebow, sorry, busy with release stuff, try adding --copy-sourceslist and --security-mirror=none to your ltsp-build-client command
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| 08:45 | <Appiah> sometimes when users login they get "no response from server" then a black screen and it can be black for 1min and 30secs then it goes back login screen
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| 08:45 | anyway I can make it go faster?
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| 08:47 | <alkisg> Appiah: version?
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| 08:48 | <scottmaccal> clibow: I just got 9.10 installed on my iMac
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| 08:49 | <chrisinajar> scottmaccal: are you a gnome or a kde guy?
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| 08:50 | <Appiah> LTSP5 alkisg
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| 08:50 | 9.04 jaunty
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| 08:50 | <honeybadger> I can't login to my clients if i Change the base dir
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| 08:51 | don' know why
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| 08:51 | <alkisg> Appiah: do you use e.g. ldap or some other ...non-standard thing?
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| 08:51 | (I mean that isn't there in the default installation)
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| 08:52 | <scottmaccal> chrisinajar: gnome
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| 08:53 | <Appiah> alkisg: ldap yupp
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| 08:53 | <alkisg> Appiah: I think I've seen a bug in launchpad about this...
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| 08:53 | <Appiah> oh
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| 08:53 | wait
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| 08:54 | crap
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| 08:54 | <chrisinajar> scottmaccal: ah, I haven't used vanilla ubuntu in a long time.... kubuntu 9.10 is wonderful though, running that at the office on my thin client in fact...
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| 08:56 | <pmatulis> are there any tricks to getting a usb scanner (local to client) to work? only printing works. running 8.04 and unit is HP Deskjet F2280
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| 08:57 | <ogra> wow, #ubuntu-release-party is insane ... nearly 1200 people
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| 08:57 | <pmatulis> ogra: indeed
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| 08:58 | * sbalneav dances the happy edubuntu dance | |
| 08:58 | <ogra> i dont think we ever passed 1000 yet
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| 09:01 | <cliebow> scottmaccal, cool..do you see excessive cpu?
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| 09:01 | <CAN-o-SPAM> ogra: the publicity on ubuntu 9.10 is been far beyond anything ever seen in the Linux space, and is very exciting for all of us
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| 09:01 | <ogra> yeah
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| 09:01 | <squarepeg> yeah
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| 09:01 | <CAN-o-SPAM> who is squarepeg?
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| 09:02 | <cliebow> cliebow
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| 09:02 | <sbalneav> cliebow's alter ego
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| 09:02 | <cliebow> they wouldnt let me use poopforbrains
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| 09:02 | * cliebow cliebow paraphrases | |
| 09:03 | <rjune> cliebow: or mr_poopypants
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| 09:03 | <cliebow> LOL
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| 09:03 | ROCKIN!
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| 09:04 | <CAN-o-SPAM> cliebow: did you guys end up going for the boat ride?
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| 09:05 | <cliebow> no....poured rain
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| 09:05 | and cld
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| 09:05 | cold
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| 09:05 | <CAN-o-SPAM> ohh too bad
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| 09:05 | <cliebow> quite a few came ou to my new house..
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| 09:05 | ogra:i think you got it
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| 09:06 | <ogra> great
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| 09:09 | <cliebow> ROCKIN!
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| 09:12 | <scottmaccal> chrisinajar: I loved KDE in 1999. Was one of my favorite windows manager at the time.
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| 09:14 | <cliebow> Balls!
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| 09:19 | <chrisinajar> scottmaccal: 4.2 and 4.3 are both really nice, 4.0 and 4.1 were absolutely awful though...
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| 09:20 | <coordinador> hi
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| 09:20 | <chrisinajar> scottmaccal: i was sort of impartial to 3.5...
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| 09:20 | scottmaccal: 4.3 at home and at the office, and i love it...
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| 09:20 | <coordinador> i dont know why my scanner's group is lp but i cannot add any user to that group , that causes any user except root can use the scanner
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| 09:21 | (i cannot add users with graphical tool, i dont know how to do with commands)
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| 09:23 | how can I add users to lp group with graphical tool so the users can scan?
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| 09:24 | <scottmaccal> chrisinajar: I've always own really under-powered computers pieced together from various other computer part donations. In college we affectionately called these computers droids.
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| 09:24 | chrisinajar: and it got to the point when I had a hard time running KDE.
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| 09:25 | Perhaps I would have a better experience now?
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| 09:25 | * Gadi thinks scottmaccal owes Lucasfilms money | |
| 09:26 | <scottmaccal> lol
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| 09:27 | I do own a couple of computers now that I think might run Kubuntu well.
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| 09:27 | I'll have to give it a shot someday.
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| 09:30 | <cliebow> scottmaccal, getting closer..but still a fail in fetches late in the game..
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| 09:32 | <scottmaccal> cliebow: hmm. I haven't tried an update on the iMac yet. I am working on install for the G4 and an Intel tower.
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| 09:33 | <nicku> Gadi: I fixed the ltsp-localapp problem
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| 09:33 | <cliebow> scottmaccal, you have wireless working yet?
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| 09:33 | <scottmaccal> I have a HP thin client on the desk that I would like to see in action as well.
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| 09:33 | cliebow: on what?
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| 09:33 | <Gadi> nicku: do tell
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| 09:33 | <coordinador> I am tryking to add a user to a group but the system says "the user xxx already exists"
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| 09:34 | of course the user already exists,,, how can i resolve this?
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| 09:34 | <Gadi> coordinador: with what command?
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| 09:34 | (you can just: adduser user group)
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| 09:34 | <nicku> the problem was that my ad usernames are only numbers and winbind does not understand those or getent does not. So I modified the ldm localapps script a little bit so it get's the users right
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| 09:34 | <coordinador> useradd -G lp user
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| 09:35 | Gadi, ill try that command
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| 09:35 | <Gadi> coordinador: you would need usermod
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| 09:35 | for existing users
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| 09:35 | nicku: interesting - can you pastebot a diff?
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| 09:35 | <coordinador> Gadi, why the lp group doesnt appear in graphical tool to work with users/groups?
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| 09:35 | <Gadi> is it something we should fix upstream?
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| 09:36 | coordinador: perhaps you need to click a checkbox to see system groups
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| 09:36 | <nicku> Gadi: sure I can. It is not pretty but it works :)
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| 09:36 | <coordinador> because scanner belongs to lp group but i cannot add any user to that group graphically
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| 09:36 | hummm
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| 09:36 | ill check that
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| 09:37 | <Gadi> ah - GUIs... usually make one feel like he stepped in something
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| 09:37 | :)
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| 09:37 | <scottmaccal> eheh
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| 09:37 | <coordinador> i dont like guis neither but im the only sysadmin here and other users need to configure things too :/
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| 09:37 | <rjune> Uhm
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| 09:37 | <Gadi> true - and people can't type
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| 09:37 | <rjune> that doesn't sound happy.
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| 09:37 | <Gadi> :)
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| 09:37 | <rjune> that's the setup we have.
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| 09:37 | it's a fail.
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| 09:38 | <Gadi> thats what makes tech guys different than normal people
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| 09:38 | <rjune> they can type?
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| 09:38 | <Gadi> yup
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| 09:38 | <rjune> I thought it was they can read.
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| 09:38 | <Gadi> must be
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| 09:38 | oh no, we cant red
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| 09:38 | *read
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| 09:38 | hehe
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| 09:38 | <rjune> or type.
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| 09:38 | <Gadi> indeed
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| 09:39 | <rjune> Gadi: http://xkcd.com/627/
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| 09:39 | <Gadi> heh - you showed be that one before
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| 09:39 | still great
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| 09:39 | <rjune> because it's true.
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| 09:40 | <coordinador> Gadi, i thought that the group lp didn exists since it didnt appear in graphical tool. I cant find the option to show system groups, could you please guide me?
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| 09:40 | <Gadi> !learn troubleshooting as http://xkcd.com/627/
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| 09:40 | <ltspbot> Gadi: The operation succeeded.
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| 09:40 | <scottmaccal> we have that up on the wall in the office
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| 09:40 | <rjune> LOL
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| 09:40 | I have it on my desk
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| 09:40 | <Gadi> coordinador: the GUIs change
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| 09:40 | <rjune> well, had
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| 09:40 | I cleared out my desk
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| 09:40 | <Gadi> what distro/version?
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| 09:41 | <coordinador> ubuntu 9.04
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| 09:41 | ltsp5
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| 09:41 | <adrien> Hello everyone. Sorry I'm back with my local printer issue. I still can't figure out what's going wrong. Ogra, you seemed to say that jetpipe was not working. How can I fix that (I seemed to understand that the script is in /usr/sbin chroot and is called if the right options are put in lts.conf). Thanks a lot for your help
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| 09:41 | <Gadi> coordinador: so when you go to Manage Groups, its not there?
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| 09:42 | <cliebow> scottmaccal, Rockin! building a chroot image
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| 09:42 | <scottmaccal> cliebow: cool!
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| 09:43 | you are way ahead of me.
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| 09:43 | <cliebow> i started way ahead of you 8~)
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| 09:43 | <scottmaccal> then again, I am a LISP nube.
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| 09:43 | <cliebow> in a sec ill pass on the ltsp-build-client command
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| 09:43 | <scottmaccal> awesome
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| 09:44 | <cliebow> actually i have to do some running around..but ill be back'
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| 09:44 | <scottmaccal> cool. by then my installs should be done.
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| 09:45 | <Gadi> adrien: can you get that ltsp-localapps xterm up again?
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| 09:45 | <coordinador> Gadi, when i press the "manage groups" button i got a window with four buttons: "add group" "properties" , "delete" and "close", besides the group list where isnt "lp" group
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| 09:46 | (oh and "help" button)
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| 09:46 | <adrien> Gadi : yes
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| 09:46 | <Gadi> coordinador: are there other system groups?
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| 09:46 | or only user groups?
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| 09:46 | adrien: great! in the xterm, run: jetpipe /dev/usblp0 9100
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| 09:46 | report errors
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| 09:47 | <coordinador> there are "libuuid", "syslog", "crontab", "lpadmin", etc... besides "root", "users"
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| 09:47 | isnt "lp" group
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| 09:47 | <Gadi> perhaps "lp" is not a proper group at all
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| 09:48 | where do you see an lp group?
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| 09:48 | <cliebow> sc
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| 09:48 | <coordinador> what does it mean since when i plug scanner to the usb port it appear as it belongs to lp group?
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| 09:48 | <Gadi> when you do: ls -l /dev/.....
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| 09:48 | <coordinador> crw-rw-r-- 1 root lp 189, 2 2009-10-29 11:40 003
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| 09:49 | <cliebow> scottmaccal, sudo ltsp-build-client --mirror http://ports.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-ports --copy-sourcelist --security-mirror=none
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| 09:49 | <Gadi> getent group lp
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| 09:50 | <jammcq> good morning and happy Ubuntu release day to everyone !!!
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| 09:50 | <Gadi> coordinador: actually, that's weird
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| 09:50 | I have an lp group, yet I dont see it in the GUI either
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| 09:50 | <rjune> !j
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| 09:50 | <ltspbot> rjune: "j" is jammcq!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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| 09:51 | <Gadi> jammcq: I cant believe you're already drinking
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| 09:52 | <Appiah> !seen alksig
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| 09:52 | <ltspbot> Appiah: I have not seen alksig.
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| 09:52 | <Appiah> !seen alkisg
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| 09:52 | <ltspbot> Appiah: alkisg was last seen in #ltsp 58 minutes and 57 seconds ago: <alkisg> Appiah: I think I've seen a bug in launchpad about this...
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| 09:52 | <coordinador> maybe he is just arriving to home
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| 09:52 | <Appiah> crap
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| 09:54 | ohwell
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| 09:54 | I have a strange problem , when someone plugs in a USB , it pops up on everyones desktop. How can I prevent this?
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| 09:54 | usb stick
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| 09:54 | <scottmaccal> wow. interesting.
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| 09:55 | <Gadi> Appiah: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LocaldevCommonGroupWorkaround
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| 09:55 | <_UsUrPeR_> Appiah, different user groups
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| 09:55 | <Appiah> ah
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| 09:56 | <Gadi> !learn LocaldevCommonGroupWorkaround as https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LocaldevCommonGroupWorkaround
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| 09:56 | <ltspbot> Gadi: The operation succeeded.
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| 09:56 | <Gadi> seems we get that a lot
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| 09:56 | now, we have more pressure to fix the bug
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| 09:56 | :)
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| 09:56 | <_UsUrPeR_> Gadi: that would be awesome
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| 09:56 | <CAN-o-SPAM> It's probably the most popular bug to date
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| 09:56 | <Appiah> :D
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| 09:57 | <Gadi> and its a one-line fix - if anyone were willing to test
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| 09:57 | :)
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| 09:57 | <_UsUrPeR_> Gadi: another interesting one: localapps accessing USB devices
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| 09:57 | I.E. openoffice opening a paper on a USB Flash drive
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| 09:57 | <CAN-o-SPAM> Gadi: we'll test the stink out of it
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| 09:57 | <Gadi> cool.
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| 09:57 | <_UsUrPeR_> CAN-o-SPAM: werd -_-
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| 09:57 | <Gadi> its a one-liner into lbmount.c
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| 09:58 | <Brian_H> I'm about to implement a new ltsp install so I'll test it if you throw me the patch :)
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| 09:58 | * Gadi will find some time to get you guys something | |
| 09:58 | <coordinador> i few days ago i had the same problem, i dont know if somebody remeber it, i think is not a bug, is only a problem in configuration
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| 10:00 | <adrien> Gadi, did you get my last lines? I think I've been deconnected.
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| 10:01 | <Gadi> adrien: did you do this:
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| 10:01 | (10:44:59 AM) Gadi: adrien: great! in the xterm, run: jetpipe /dev/usblp0 9100
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| 10:02 | <adrien> yes, and it says the command cannot be found
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| 10:02 | <adrien> then I ran ./jetpipe /dev/usblp0 9100 from the /usr/sbin directory, it says "File "./jetpipe", line 41, in <module> import serial ImportError: No module named serial". Can it be that I'm missing a module?
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| 10:02 | <Gadi> ah, thats right
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| 10:02 | you're not root
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| 10:03 | ah!
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| 10:03 | yup
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| 10:03 | you must be on that version where they forgot to put the dependency
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| 10:03 | adrien: on the server, do this:
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| 10:03 | sudo chroot /opt/ltsp/i386
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| 10:04 | apt-get install python-serial
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| 10:04 | exit
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| 10:04 | sudo ltsp-update-image
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| 10:04 | (and then, reboot the terminal
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| 10:04 | brb
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| 10:05 | <adrien> ok I'll try this. thank you so much for your help
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| 10:11 | Gadi, it works!!! Such a relief, thank you. So is there any other dependencies I could be missing?
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| 10:15 | <squarepeg> scottmaccal, completed successfully..next step is to fight the netboot sequence...
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| 10:16 | <coordinador> i have a problem, i need lucida sans fonts in openoffice but doesnt appear, i check in /usr/share/fonts/X11/100dpi and the lucida fonts are there
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| 10:16 | <Gadi> adrien: I dont think so - that was a packaging issue at one point
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| 10:16 | that was resolved a while ago
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| 10:16 | you just got bitten by it
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| 10:17 | :)
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| 10:22 | <sbalneav> coordinador: Not sure of which version of Linux you're using, but fontconfig may be overriding your Lucida font for something else...
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| 10:24 | coordinador: /etc/fonts/*
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| 10:26 | <lejo> sbalneav: thx for your fuse howto!
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| 10:28 | <alkisg> coordinador: you may also try to put them in ~/.fonts and run fc-cache
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| 10:30 | <cyberorg> Appiah, we there is a patch to lbmount that prevents usb stick from showing up on all user's desktop
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| 10:31 | <scottmaccal> squarepeg: cool.
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| 10:33 | <sbalneav> I would like to point out, for the record, that the "mounts showing up on everyone's desktop" isn't a bug with ltspfs.
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| 10:33 | <ogra> its a bug with your user setup :)
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| 10:34 | <kdegel> anyone try LTSP with Ubuntu 9.10 yet?
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| 10:34 | <ogra> apparently
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| 10:34 | * ogra just answered a bug for it a second ago :) | |
| 10:35 | <ogra> might even have been yours :)
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| 10:35 | <kdegel> holy crap it is!
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| 10:35 | <cyberorg> sbalneav, suse uses common group for all users, without patch to lbmount it showed up on all users desktop
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| 10:35 | <ogra> cyberorg, right, as i said, bug in usermanagement
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| 10:35 | <cyberorg> ogra, its a feature :)
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| 10:36 | * ogra finds it funny how distros sell dropping of security by design a "feature" :) | |
| 10:36 | <Gadi> cyberorg: did you submit the patch?
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| 10:37 | <kdegel> ok, I need to do it again so I know to reply the correct information
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| 10:37 | <cyberorg> Gadi, someone had submitted on the bug tracker where lbmount bug was reported, warren did some work on it
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| 10:37 | <kdegel> unless you want the whole thing
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| 10:38 | <cyberorg> ogra, umask is there for a reason
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| 10:38 | <ogra> for a reason my mother wouldnt understand though :)
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| 10:38 | kdegel, whole thing would be fine as attachment
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| 10:39 | kdegel, you got ubuntu-desktop installed on your server i hope
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| 10:39 | <kdegel> ogra: yes
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| 10:39 | on ubuntu-desktop
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| 10:39 | <ogra> (since you said you installed from a server cd)
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| 10:39 | <kdegel> right now, I installed it from the alt cd
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| 10:40 | <ogra> and used the defaults apart from selecting ltsp in the F4 menu ?
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| 10:40 | <kdegel> yes
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| 10:40 | <ogra> good
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| 10:40 | <Gadi> cyberorg: link?
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| 10:41 | <ogra> any proprietary HW involved ? i.e. nividia card in the server and you use the closed driver or some such ?
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| 10:42 | <sbalneav> The patch, which we'll implement, basically works around the fact that all users are in the same group.
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| 10:42 | <kdegel> ogra: replied with .xsession-errors
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| 10:42 | <ogra> cool
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| 10:43 | * ogra looks | |
| 10:43 | <sbalneav> But in doing so, it's going to kind of break the default perms that things should get.
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| 10:43 | <kdegel> thanks
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| 10:43 | <Gadi> cyberorg: is this it? http://launchpadlibrarian.net/18494027/ltspfs-0.5.0_mediamount-owned-by-user.patch
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| 10:43 | <sbalneav> Hopefully distros don't spank us for that.
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| 10:43 | <ogra> kdegel, ugh ... attachment would have been better :)
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| 10:43 | <kdegel> sorry :(
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| 10:44 | <sbalneav> Gadi: that one would do it.
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| 10:44 | <ogra> kdegel, hmm, that looks pretty normal
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| 10:44 | <kdegel> now thats from the user that is logged in on the server, not the user that I'm trying to log in on the thin client
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| 10:45 | <cyberorg> Gadi, this is what we use http://pastebin.com/d18a16a84
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| 10:45 | i think it was from japerry
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| 10:46 | <Gadi> and it is known to work
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| 10:46 | ?
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| 10:46 | <ogra> kdegel, meh, indeed i meant from the user for which it failed :)
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| 10:46 | <kdegel> sorry
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| 10:46 | <cyberorg> Gadi, works here
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| 10:46 | <sbalneav> And in fact, that's kind of what I originally had when I wrote lbmount. :) however, I was told by... ummm, can't remember, that we shouldn't be touching something after the mount with a chown.
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| 10:46 | <Gadi> then, we should get it upstream
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| 10:47 | <cyberorg> warren had some issues with it
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| 10:47 | it was long time back, don't remember what exactly but he had said he would fix it in a proper way
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| 10:47 | <Gadi> well, I guess it is a bit invasive
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| 10:47 | <cyberorg> well creating dir 700 is more secure
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| 10:47 | <Gadi> because if you mount the media on another machine, it retains the new ownership
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| 10:48 | <kdegel> ogra: is a guy unable to delete a comment? I see where I can edit my initial post
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| 10:48 | <Gadi> the perms on the mountpoint don't matter - only the perms on the media's root
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| 10:48 | <sbalneav> Does mount --bind accept -o perms options?
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| 10:48 | <ogra> creating a dir with 700 with a suid root program will always result in it being only accessible by root
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| 10:48 | sbalneav, some i think
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| 10:49 | kdegel, nope, you cant edit it
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| 10:49 | <cyberorg> japerry, can comment what exactly he did when he wakes up :)
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| 10:49 | <sbalneav> that's probably how it should be handled,
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| 10:49 | gimme a few, workping.
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| 10:49 | <ogra> kdegel, just post the proper log (as attachment this time :) )
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| 10:53 | <kdegel> ogra: I threw both into pastbin, should be there now
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| 10:53 | <cyberorg> Gadi, here it is: https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=526320#c24
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| 10:53 | <scottmaccal> squarepeg: how are you making out?
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| 10:54 | <ogra> kdegel, try logging in with store1 directly on the server, go to System-Settings-Appearance and make sure to uncheck the desktop effects explicitly there, then log out and try again with that user from a thin client
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| 10:56 | cyberorg, thats a different issue
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| 10:56 | <cyberorg> ogra, the patch i pasted was from there
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| 10:57 | <kdegel> ok, I'm going to take down my sandwich real quick first
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| 10:57 | <ogra> its totally unrelated to the ltsp ownership stuff (as warren mentioned in the bug)
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| 10:57 | <cyberorg> it solved stick showing up on everyone's desktop :)
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| 10:57 | <ogra> the gvfs patch ?
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| 10:57 | <cyberorg> no lbmount patch ^^
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| 10:58 | <ogra> right
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| 10:58 | <cyberorg> http://pastebin.com/d18a16a84
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| 10:58 | <ogra> the bug is unrelated
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| 10:58 | its about gvfs' way of scanning devices
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| 10:58 | <cyberorg> i got that about gvfs, but we still need lbmount patch to prevent sticks showing up everywhere as group is common
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| 10:59 | <ogra> right, Gadi showed a particular sane patch above
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| 11:00 | <cyberorg> let the sanity prevail :)
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| 11:01 | <sbalneav> It's not sane. According to pitti, it violates policy.
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| 11:01 | I looked up my old conversations with him on it.
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| 11:01 | <ogra> well, saner than the one on the gvfs bug
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| 11:01 | <sbalneav> sure.
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| 11:01 | <ogra> but yes, i agree it should happen in the bind mount call (if at all)
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| 11:01 | <sbalneav> what would be ideal is if we could pass options to bind.
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| 11:02 | I'm still looking on that... hold on
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| 11:02 | <ogra> i dont know if --bind can handle changing the ownership of the target mountpoint though
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| 11:02 | <sbalneav> neither do I.
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| 11:03 | that's why I'm looking :)
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| 11:03 | <ogra> :)
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| 11:04 | * ogra goes afk for a bit | |
| 11:04 | <sbalneav> Note that the filesystem mount options will remain the same as those on the original mount point, and cannot be changed by passing the -o option along with --bind/--rbind.
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| 11:05 | so, we need to make the original ltspfs mount happen mode 700 and user owned.
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| 11:06 | I'll have to dig into the fuse docs.
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| 11:06 | * sbalneav trundles off to look. | |
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| 11:09 | <kdegel> ogra: logged in as store1 on the server, verified that Visual Effects were turned off ("none" checked) logged off, turned the thin client on, tried to log in as store1 and the same thing happen
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| 11:09 | also I didn't log into anyone on the server
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| 11:10 | <sbalneav> hmmm, looking like we may be able to patch it in ltspfsmounter script.
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| 11:10 | checking.
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| 11:49 | <sbalneav> Nope, chown'ing in ltspfsmounter doesn't help, it's something that will need to be patchd in the ltspfs binary itself.
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| 11:49 | It's prbably an option for fuse I need to do.
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| 11:49 | <Appiah> cyberorg: thanks but its the same as the wiki workaround right?
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| 11:51 | <sbalneav> The wiki workaround involves setting up a setuid perl on your system
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| 11:52 | with *all* the security implications that implies.
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| 11:53 | <Appiah> and the patch just fixes the desktop
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| 11:53 | ?
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| 11:54 | <sbalneav> The patch fixes lbmount
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| 11:54 | <Appiah> k
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| 11:55 | <sbalneav> but it's been rejected before upstream, since you're NOT supposed to diddle about with the perms of a mounted filesystem after it's been mounted.
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| 11:55 | ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
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| 11:56 | ltspfs picks up the perms of THE MOUNTED FILESYSTEM ON THE REMOTE END>
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| 11:56 | So, all we (should theoretically) need to do is modify the udev mounter scripts on the workstation to chown the dirs in /var/run as chmod 0700
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| 11:57 | and that will come across the pipe.
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| 11:57 | <Kicer86> which option in lts.conf is responsible for choosing window manager?
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| 11:57 | <sbalneav> !docs
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| 11:57 | <ltspbot> sbalneav: "docs" is For the most current documentation, see http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LtspDocumentationUpstream
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| 11:58 | <squarepeg> scottmaccal, the image created successfully.did you get the command i used?
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| 11:58 | <sbalneav> LDM_SESSION, i beleive
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| 11:58 | either that or LDM_XSESSION, I can't remember which :)
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| 11:59 | <cliebow> scottmaccal, sudo ltsp-build-client --mirror http://ports.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-ports --copy-sourcelist --security-mirror=none
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| 11:59 | <sbalneav> OK, I've got some systems cutover work to do over lunch.
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| 11:59 | I'll have a look at the perms thing after.
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| 11:59 | <Kicer86> hmmm
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| 11:59 | i'll check
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| 12:02 | <scottmaccal> cliebow: k, I will do that on the iMac now
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| 12:02 | <Kicer86> sbalneav: LDM_SESSION ;) thx
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| 12:05 | <dro> anybody used the final release of 9.10 yet?
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| 12:07 | <Brian_H> I'm about to :)
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| 12:07 | I'm using it on my desktop right now and will be for an ltsp project I"m starting to day
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| 12:08 | <Ahmuck> Brian_H: hi
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| 12:08 | <Brian_H> hello
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| 12:08 | <Ahmuck> Your using Ubuntu 9.10 for ltsp today ?
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| 12:08 | <Brian_H> I will be yes
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| 12:08 | <Ahmuck> Done your research?
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| 12:09 | <Brian_H> copying some data then will be doing it
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| 12:09 | * scottmaccal Smiles. There's something about seeing GNU/Linux on a PPC Mac. | |
| 12:09 | <Ahmuck> for home use, or school use?
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| 12:09 | <Brian_H> business actually, we don't need really powerful machines for what we do
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| 12:10 | <cliebow> scottmaccal, i need to post you my sources.list if it gives you grief
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| 12:14 | <CAN-o-SPAM> Brian_H what kind of biz?
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| 12:14 | <Brian_H> www.drbd.org ;)
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| 12:14 | linux ha
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| 12:15 | <CAN-o-SPAM> oh ya ... theres no way you know anything about servers / thin clients ... you might want easyLTSP ;)
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| 12:15 | <Brian_H> have a link lol ?
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| 12:16 | <scottmaccal> cliebow: I did just a fresh install on this iMac without the LTSP option. What are the packages I need to install?
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| 12:16 | <CAN-o-SPAM> heh
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| 12:16 | <squarepeg> scottmaccal, sudo apt-get install ltsp-server-standalone
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| 12:17 | <scottmaccal> ahh, that is what I thought but I wanted to be sure.
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| 12:17 | <squarepeg> i am pasting my sources.list just in case
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| 12:17 | <scottmaccal> k
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| 12:19 | <ltsppbot> "cliebow" pasted "# # deb cdrom:[Ubuntu 9.10 _Ka" (55 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/603
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| 12:19 | <squarepeg> prob ok just with default
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| 12:21 | <ltsppbot> "scottmaccal" pasted "apt-get install ltsp-server-standalone error" (5 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/604
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| 12:22 | <scottmaccal> squarepeg: I just pasted an error I got after running the following command: sudo apt-get install ltsp-server-standalone
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| 12:22 | normal?
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| 12:23 | <cliebow> prob your eth0 is getting a address from dhcp rather than being hardcoded to 192.168.0.1
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| 12:23 | so quite normal
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| 12:23 | <scottmaccal> OK. I thought it might be DHCP related.
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| 12:24 | cool. I will proceed.
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| 12:24 | <cliebow> yeah dhcp wont start if its interface has some other address..
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| 12:24 | you'll need to run sudo ltsp-build---> after you get server-standalone
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| 12:26 | <ltsppbot> "scottmaccal" pasted "sudo ltsp-build-client error" (11 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/605
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| 12:28 | <Ahmuck> CAN-o-SPAM: how does easy-ltsp compare to what some of the ubuntu group is working on?
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| 12:29 | <CAN-o-SPAM> Ahmuck: it's OpenSuSE's ... and it's very similar but has some differences. They had a big push to add a GUI management piece. Getting into more details really opens up a CAN-o-WORMS ...
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| 12:29 | <Ahmuck> a GUI would be nice
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| 12:35 | <cliebow> scottmaccal, ohh..
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| 12:37 | sourceslist..a typo
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| 12:44 | <Gadi> can someone test if: LOCALDEV_MOUNT_OPTIONS = "gid=0"
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| 12:44 | in lts.conf fixes the CommonGroup problem?
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| 12:46 | <coordinador> damn i have a problem here
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| 12:47 | i cannot login
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| 12:47 | it says "not response from server, restarting"
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| 12:47 | <alkisg> coordinador: ltsp-update-sshkeys ?
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| 12:47 | <coordinador> i did ltsp-update-sshkeys and then ltsp-update-image , finally reboot client but nothing happen
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| 12:47 | <alkisg> Is that Karmic?
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| 12:47 | <coordinador> no, its 9.04
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| 12:48 | <alkisg> Try to switch to local terminal (alt+ctrl+f1...) and test with `ssh put_a_username_here@server`
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| 12:49 | <Gadi> now, that would be a cool system username
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| 12:49 | <coordinador> ok
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| 12:50 | * Gadi searches for a few honest ldap/ad common user LTSP users.... | |
| 12:50 | <coordinador> "permission denied, please try again"
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| 12:50 | <alkisg> coordinador: for logging in? or for ssh?
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| 12:50 | <coordinador> it happened after add the users to lp group, so they can scan
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| 12:51 | alkisg, for ssh
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| 12:51 | <alkisg> coordinador: well if ssh doesn't work, ldm won't work too
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| 12:51 | <coordinador> Gadi, maybe it happen because lp group doesnt appear?
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| 12:51 | <alkisg> Can you ssh from a different machine?
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| 12:51 | <coordinador> ill check
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| 12:51 | <Gadi> coordinador: you idn't make those users *only* be in lp, did you?
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| 12:52 | <coordinador> Gadi, i only did adduser user lp
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| 12:52 | alkisg, i cannot loggin from any client
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| 12:52 | <Gadi> coordinador: sudo su <username>
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| 12:53 | and do id
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| 12:53 | (or, simply: sudo id <username>
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| 12:53 | <coordinador> it appeared a lot of groups that user belong to
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| 12:53 | <Gadi> oh, good
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| 12:53 | check /var/log/auth.log
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| 12:53 | * alkisg , after weeks of searching, has found out that greek schools don't need LDAP after all :P :D | |
| 12:53 | <Gadi> maybe it will tell you why your users are denied
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| 12:54 | <coordinador> oh god is the longest log ever
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| 12:54 | <Gadi> coordinador: so, use tail
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| 12:54 | <coordinador> still is 'catting' the file xd, ill cancel it
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| 12:55 | <Ahmuck> why don't greek schools need LDAP ?
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| 12:57 | <coordinador> ok i already did tail /var/log/auth.log
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| 12:57 | <alkisg> Ahmuck: it turns out that we prefer different accounts in each pc, one for each class. E.g. 12 accounts in 12 PCs with name =classA etc
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| 12:57 | ...and I'll just make some programs to manage those.
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| 12:57 | <rjune> Ahmuck: I give up, why don't greek schools need LDAP?
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| 12:58 | <coordinador> this is the result http://pastebin.com/d57962574
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| 13:05 | <mr-dedup> how is the LTSP holding up? how will we use this going forward with VDI type technologies pushing in
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| 13:05 | ?
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| 13:06 | <dro> mr-dedup: isn't VDI vmware specific?
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| 13:06 | <coordinador> i have two users than cannot login
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| 13:06 | getting "not response from server, restarting"
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| 13:06 | everyone else login perfectly
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| 13:06 | <alkisg> coordinador: and can they login with plain ssh?
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| 13:07 | <dro> mr-dedup: nope i'm wrong, it's non vmware specific
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| 13:07 | <coordinador> alkisg, the users with the problem cannot do it, i get "permission denied, please try again"
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| 13:08 | <alkisg> coordinador: ok, so don't focus the problem on ldm...
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| 13:08 | coordinador: in the log you pasted, it said that the password was wrong
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| 13:08 | <mr-dedup> dro: yeah VDI is a desktop delivery method - I love the LTSP and followed off and on for years, I am just curious what will ahppen to it now
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| 13:09 | <dro> mr-dedup: I think that a lot of ppl that will use the VDI technology will be vmware users, and think that it will continue working the same as before
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| 13:09 | <mr-dedup> I was further curious if the server could itself now be run in and as part of a VDI infrastructure
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| 13:10 | <alkisg> mr-dedup: is VDI a specific product? any links?
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| 13:10 | <dro> mr-dedup: if I happen to see you in here again, I'll let you know, I am trying to schedule with our dell biz rep for a VDI demontration and Q&A
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| 13:11 | alkisg: http://www.msterminalservices.org/articles/Virtual-Desktop-Infrastructure-Overview.html
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| 13:12 | <coordinador> alkisg, just in case i reassigned a password to the user, now what do i have to do? update-sshkeys and update-image?
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| 13:12 | <dro> the VDI technology still PXE boots
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| 13:12 | <mr-dedup> cool
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| 13:12 | thanks
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| 13:12 | <alkisg> coordinador: nothing, you don't even have to reboot the client. Just go ahead and test.
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| 13:12 | <coordinador> ok ill try
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| 13:13 | <alkisg> dro: so is there anything new in there? or they just gathered all the already used technologies under a new name?
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| 13:13 | <dro> alkisg: I am not 100% sure, but it seems like vmware is just trying to sell more stuff lol
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| 13:13 | <alkisg> Ah :)
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| 13:13 | <dro> supposedly these thin clients boot differently lol
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| 13:13 | <Ahmuck> alkisg: MS Remote Desktop, etc.
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| 13:13 | <coordinador> oh god the user logged in successfully via ssh, but why.. this user never changes its password maybe a malicious user with privileges..
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| 13:14 | <dro> oh, just saw that VDI is additonal software on top of the pxe
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| 13:14 | lol
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| 13:14 | in other words, it's their crap version of LTSP
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| 13:14 | <Ahmuck> i recall when we did Remote Desktop, it did work well when it worked, but often it would "drop" connections. that was in 2006. we were however doing it over a wireless link
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| 13:15 | <coordinador> thank you very much alkisg and Gadi , now i will check via ldm but i think every will work perfectly
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| 13:15 | <Ahmuck> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Desktop_virtualization
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| 13:15 | iirc, one of the real issues was roaming profiles
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| 13:16 | <alkisg> What is the meaning of roaming profiles when you logon remotely?
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| 13:18 | * alkisg has also yet to understand what Web 2.0 is about... but I do know that the true revolution will start with Web 3.11 :P | |
| 13:18 | <coordinador> perfect, the users login perfectly
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| 13:18 | :)
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| 13:18 | <johnny> sounds like marketing nonsense ot me
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| 13:18 | mr-dedup, you shoudl make sure you don't fall for marketing hype..
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| 13:19 | <Ahmuck> i'm hoping 9.10 will fix many of the issues of 9.04.
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| 13:19 | <johnny> which issues are those? related to ltsp/
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| 13:20 | ?
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| 13:20 | that / was meant to be a ?
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| 13:20 | <Ahmuck> alkisg: three satalite offices, remote login and roaming profiles allowed one to open a desktop window and then the server would "load" the roaming profile based on login
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| 13:20 | <johnny> if so.. you can always use the ppa..
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| 13:20 | <Ahmuck> problem it took forever to load
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| 13:20 | <johnny> sure.. but where do the apps run?
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| 13:20 | <Ahmuck> johnny: sound issues, firefox, etc.
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| 13:20 | johnny: on the server
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| 13:20 | <alkisg> Ahmuck: if you logon remotely, then the profile is loaded *on* the server - why does it need roaming?
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| 13:21 | Roaming is when files are transfered
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| 13:21 | <Ahmuck> alkisg: yes
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| 13:21 | <alkisg> If you transfer the screen, you don't need to transfer files
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| 13:22 | <Ahmuck> ever work with MSRD ?
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| 13:22 | <alkisg> What is msrd?
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| 13:22 | <Ahmuck> MS Remote Deskto
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| 13:22 | <alkisg> Sure
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| 13:22 | <johnny> remote deskto pstuff is loaded on the server too
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| 13:22 | no roaming profiles there either
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| 13:22 | <alkisg> It doesn't do roaming
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| 13:23 | <johnny> it's only when you have things that are local that roaming happens
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| 13:23 | <alkisg> With roaming, if you have 100 Gb on the server, they'll need to be downloaded to the client for the session to start
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| 13:23 | rdp doesn't do that.
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| 13:25 | <Lns> IMHO... roaming profiles = a horribly written band-aid that tries to make user accounts portable while at the same time ensuring Microsoft gets their licensing for as many devices as possible
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| 13:25 | <alkisg> Lns, roaming profiles is a good thing when your local network is unreliable... I wish we had that for linux
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| 13:26 | <Lns> alkisg: if your local network is unreliable roaming profiles are crap anyway
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| 13:26 | <alkisg> hmm... :-/
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| 13:26 | <Lns> try logging off and waiting 2 minutes for it to happen, and then getting an error that says "your roaming profile could not be updated - changes are lost...sucka!"
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| 13:26 | <johnny> roaming profiles are easy to hack up if you wanted em..
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| 13:26 | <Lns> it's just a bad implementation of user account rsync
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| 13:26 | <johnny> just rsync
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| 13:26 | lol
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| 13:26 | lol
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| 13:27 | <Lns> hehe
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| 13:27 | <johnny> Lns, and i are on the same page
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| 13:27 | <Lns> for once! =p
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| 13:27 | <johnny> plus rsync works over ssh
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| 13:27 | <alkisg> They have lots of problems, sure. But nfs is way worse for unreliable networks; you're just stuck without clients, ruining the lesson...
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| 13:27 | <johnny> so it works EVERYWHERE
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| 13:27 | <alkisg> johnny: sure, if only that was automated, we'd have roaming profiles in linux
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| 13:27 | <johnny> it's easy to automate
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| 13:28 | <coordinador> i have a problem, why sometimes when like 20 users are using the browser, firefox works very slow and it says "is not responding"?
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| 13:28 | <alkisg> johnny: ...and what if the network breaks? what if two way syncronization is needed?
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| 13:28 | <Lns> alkisg: also, ever have to clean up the user profiles on a PC, in which a user has about 10 of them, each taking up multiple GB?
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| 13:28 | <johnny> alkisg, rsync works 2 way
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| 13:28 | also unison exists
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| 13:28 | even with diffs
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| 13:28 | alkisg, with rdiff-backup and unison.. you get 2 way sync.. and abiltiy to save file differences
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| 13:28 | <mr-dedup> so with all the talk of VDI / LTSP
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| 13:29 | <Lns> coordinador: that is kinda typical..are you using ff on the server? are they doing flash/etc stuff? what server hardware?
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| 13:29 | <alkisg> I really don't think that a hand-crafted rsync automation would be better than the windows roaming profiles
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| 13:29 | It would have *at least* the same problems
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| 13:29 | <johnny> mr-dedup, vdi sounds like marketing hype..
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| 13:29 | <mr-dedup> LTSP is closer to MS terminal server in a sense that its a shared environment correct?
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| 13:29 | <johnny> alkisg, except reocvering is more sane
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| 13:29 | <Lns> mr-dedup: closer to msts than what?
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| 13:29 | <johnny> mr-dedup, no.. tha'ts just X
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| 13:29 | ltsp is the part that gives you a local netbooted environment
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| 13:30 | <mr-dedup> lns than VDI
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| 13:30 | <johnny> X is just like MS terminal server :)
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| 13:30 | <Lns> johnny: you mean msts is like X?
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| 13:30 | <alkisg> johnny: the problem is that students wouldn't know how to sync or what to do with the differences, and the teacher couldn't resolve the differences for all the students...
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| 13:30 | * Lns ponders the origins of the name "Citrix" ;) | |
| 13:30 | <johnny> alkisg, the diff part is only for backup
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| 13:30 | yo ucan ignore it
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| 13:30 | there is nothing to resolve on rsync conflict
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| 13:30 | push, pull
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| 13:30 | <coordinador> Lns, is a xeon quad core with 8gb of ram
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| 13:31 | <Lns> alkisg: how does roaming profiles deal with diffs then?
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| 13:31 | <mr-dedup> so the idea behind VDI in a sort is that you create seperate spaces for every users desktop
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| 13:31 | the OS could actually be a linux desktop
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| 13:31 | <alkisg> Lns, I think they prompt the user to resolve the differences..
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| 13:31 | <Lns> alkisg: so...what's the diff?
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| 13:31 | <mr-dedup> in a terminal server scenario.... you get a virus on serverA then its all infected
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| 13:32 | <alkisg> Lns, it would be a big task for a sysadmin to do such user-prompting in an easy way
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| 13:32 | <johnny> mr-dedup, you don't get viruses on linux..
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| 13:32 | so no need
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| 13:32 | <Lns> alkisg: it would? what about zenity?
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| 13:32 | <alkisg> Lns, I don't think there's an easier way to do it. It's just not automated in linux...
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| 13:32 | <Lns> johnny: not true, what if they'r eusing wine?
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| 13:32 | <johnny> or.. if you do.. they only infect the user
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| 13:32 | <mr-dedup> in VDI - one persons virus is contained because its a seperate virtual box
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| 13:32 | <johnny> mr-dedup, no need for that on linux
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| 13:32 | <alkisg> Lns, ok, could you have it ready for me by tomorrow? How much will it cost? :P :D :D
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| 13:32 | <johnny> sorry.. that's all needed only for windows
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| 13:32 | not linux
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| 13:32 | mr-dedup, you should ignore the hype
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| 13:32 | <Lns> alkisg: lol..you keep coming up with stuff! =p
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| 13:32 | <mr-dedup> so there are no viruses on linux?
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| 13:32 | when did this happen?
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| 13:32 | <johnny> mr-dedup, only via wine
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| 13:33 | and they are only local
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| 13:33 | <Lns> i probably *could* do it in a day, actually.
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| 13:33 | <johnny> when did it happen?
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| 13:33 | <Lns> johnny: don't say that, it's not true...there are just very, very few linux viruses (in the 10s?)
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| 13:33 | <coordinador> Lns, is it enough for 20 users? (is a xeon quad core with 8gb of ram)
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| 13:33 | <johnny> mr-dedup, the problem here.. is you're trying to fit something needed for bad security in MS
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| 13:33 | <mr-dedup> also johnny security is another
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| 13:33 | <Lns> i'd think your main concern are hackers/script kiddies/specifically made trojans
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| 13:33 | <johnny> into linux
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| 13:33 | bad form
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| 13:34 | Lns, that only affects the one user account
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| 13:34 | <mr-dedup> no
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| 13:34 | <johnny> as long as you keep your patches up todate
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| 13:34 | <mr-dedup> im not talking about MS
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| 13:34 | <Lns> johnny: not if its an exploit that gets root
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| 13:34 | <mr-dedup> im just trying to understand LTSP better and how I can use it
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| 13:34 | <Lns> but +1 johnny if you keep up to date on patches you're gonna be fine 99.9% of the time
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| 13:34 | <johnny> mr-dedup, it's just remote access linux with a local environment that bootstraps you into it
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| 13:34 | <mr-dedup> I am doing that by explaining the business scenarios and challenges wrapped around some MS products
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| 13:35 | I am only doing to this better understand LTSP however
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| 13:35 | <johnny> mr-dedup, few of those probelms are serious concerns on linux
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| 13:35 | well don't
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| 13:35 | <Lns> mr-dedup: welcome to the linux ecosystem, much different than microsoft ecosystem..and much healthier too ;)
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| 13:35 | <johnny> mr-dedup, ltsp is just glue around tools that have existed for 10 years on linux
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| 13:35 | mr-dedup, it's a netbooted environent that only contain enough tools to to jump you into the server
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| 13:36 | <johnny> and some glue to allow local devices and sound to work
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| 13:36 | mr-dedup, ltsp specific code is less than 10K lines (minus comments i bet)
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| 13:36 | mr-dedup, you should read this
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| 13:36 | !docs
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| 13:36 | <ltspbot> johnny: "docs" is For the most current documentation, see http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LtspDocumentationUpstream
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| 13:36 | <Lns> mr-dedup: the main diff is: 1) you don't need a local OS on a client for LTSP (it boots from the server over the network) and 2) it's Linux, which really requires very little attention to things that affect the microsoft world such as viruses, badly written core software and licensing costs for the most part
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| 13:37 | <mr-dedup> thanks for the docs I appreciate it...
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| 13:37 | <Lns> coordinador: i'd think it is, i have quadcore xeons that serve 35+ accounts
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| 13:37 | <coordinador> Lns, how firefox works? how fast is your network?
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| 13:37 | <Lns> coordinador: but firefox is always one of your biggest resource hogs
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| 13:37 | <mr-dedup> LNS, yes I understand, thanks - but people are still running cross platform applications?
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| 13:38 | <johnny> mr-dedup, it's better if you come into this with a cleaner mind, so you don't try to overengineer your solutions
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| 13:38 | <coordinador> i have a 100mb switch
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| 13:38 | <Lns> mr-dedup: sure
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| 13:38 | <mr-dedup> would they do this via RDP or Citrix perhaps as part of the LTSP client
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| 13:38 | <johnny> that's possible yes
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| 13:38 | <Lns> coordinador: you should really have at least 1GB/sec for the server
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| 13:38 | <johnny> ltsp can boot into rdp
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| 13:38 | <mr-dedup> ok, i think that is new feature from when I last looked
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| 13:38 | <coordinador> my server comes with 1gb sec but my switch is 100mb
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| 13:38 | <johnny> so you go from ltsp client -> ms term serv
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| 13:38 | mr-dedup, nope.. been around for at least 3 years
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| 13:39 | <Lns> coordinador: then get a switch with at least one 1gb/sec port
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| 13:39 | <johnny> instead of ltsp client -> ltsp server -> ms term serv
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| 13:39 | <Lns> you'll be happy you did
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| 13:39 | <coordinador> Lns, but i get "... is not responding"
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| 13:39 | <mr-dedup> actually its been that long now that i think about it....about 6
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| 13:39 | haha
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| 13:39 | wow...time does fly
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| 13:39 | <johnny> mr-dedup, i think it has been around longer
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| 13:39 | <Lns> coordinador: what's your distro/version?
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| 13:39 | <coordinador> Lns, does this is because the network slowness?
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| 13:39 | <johnny> that's just how long i've been here
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| 13:39 | <coordinador> ubuntu 9.04+ltsp5
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| 13:39 | <Lns> coordinador: are you using stgraber ppa?
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| 13:39 | <johnny> other folks would know better
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| 13:40 | <rjune> johnny: what's been around longer?
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| 13:40 | <coordinador> Lns, i dont know
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| 13:40 | <johnny> rjune, when did rdesktop support enter ltsp?
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| 13:40 | <mr-dedup> johnny what i am trying to really discuss is where is the business value to ltsp
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| 13:40 | <rjune> realistically around 4.1, 4.2
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| 13:40 | <Gadi> older than 4.1
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| 13:40 | <johnny> rjune, so how many years?
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| 13:40 | <coordinador> Lns, what is that?
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| 13:40 | <Gadi> :)
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| 13:40 | <mr-dedup> what are IT challenges that people discuss that this solves
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| 13:40 | <johnny> not versions.. years :)
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| 13:40 | <rjune> IIRC, it had been there for a while as an addon, but that's about when it was in by default
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| 13:41 | <Gadi> figure at least 6
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| 13:41 | <rjune> johnny: uhm, 7 or so
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| 13:41 | <johnny> mr-dedup, centralized management, no license costs, ability to use any old computer as a client
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| 13:41 | <Lns> Anyone have a howto for coordinador on using stgraber's ppa?
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| 13:41 | <rjune> johnny: us old folks don't remember so well anymore, we gotta find mnemonic milestones and figure it out
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| 13:41 | <mr-dedup> rjune actually assisted me way back when with my first deployment
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| 13:41 | <johnny> the ppa has instructions
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| 13:41 | on its page
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| 13:41 | <rjune> mr-dedup: quite possible, I was very active in LTSP at the time.
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| 13:41 | <coordinador> Lns, for what is that?
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| 13:42 | <Lns> coordinador: https://launchpad.net/~stgraber/+archive/ppa
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| 13:42 | <coordinador> ill check
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| 13:42 | <johnny> mr-dedup, i think i just gave the most wanted features there
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| 13:42 | <rjune> mr-dedup: it simplifies management of the OS, and to somedegree users.
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| 13:42 | <johnny> basically everything
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| 13:42 | <mr-dedup> johnny dont you have a feature where you can just plug a usb key in and it points to the ltsp server?
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| 13:42 | <johnny> mr-dedup, yes
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| 13:43 | or floppy, or cd
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| 13:43 | <rjune> By only having to manage one, or two systems, You don't have to have things like Active Directory and Zenworks to manage large networks.
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| 13:43 | <mr-dedup> right
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| 13:43 | <johnny> or even a hard drive..
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| 13:43 | <Lns> or a state of the art client
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| 13:43 | <rjune> Anything USB, I remember when that was going in.
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| 13:43 | <mr-dedup> rjune, what about D/R
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| 13:43 | <squarepeg> well..one hard drive helps
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| 13:43 | <johnny> mr-dedup, anything with net booting will work..
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| 13:43 | <rjune> they've done a ton to make that nicer.
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| 13:43 | <coordinador> Lns, is this a hacked ltsp?
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| 13:43 | <rjune> mr-dedup: D/R?
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| 13:43 | <johnny> which means all laptops
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| 13:43 | <mr-dedup> rjune: can you cluster this over a WAN or anything like that
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| 13:43 | <johnny> wan is suckier..
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| 13:43 | <Lns> coordinador: it's an updated ltsp :)
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| 13:43 | <rjune> wan is much suckier.
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| 13:43 | <johnny> you should just use nx mr-dedup and not ltsp
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| 13:44 | <mr-dedup> or just add in rsync the home dirs to another site?
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| 13:44 | <rjune> mr-dedup: bandwidth and latency are very important here.
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| 13:44 | <johnny> mr-dedup, that's the part where ltsp leaves X
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| 13:44 | and you should just use X/nx/vnc
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| 13:44 | or rdp for that matter
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| 13:44 | <coordinador> Lns, oh god, is it reliable? which benefits it has?
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| 13:44 | <rjune> it doesn't work as well distributed, You'll move to NX
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| 13:44 | * Lns remembers using X over SSH on a 56k dialup ;) | |
| 13:44 | * rjune cries for Lns | |
| 13:44 | <Lns> it was slooooow =p
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| 13:44 | <johnny> mr-dedup, hopefulliy if you are logging in remotely, you will already have a client image
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| 13:45 | and won't need to pull that too
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| 13:45 | <mr-dedup> rjune (disaster recovery / business continuity)
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| 13:45 | <johnny> disaster recovery is easy
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| 13:45 | <rjune> mr-dedup: same same. you have one system to backup.
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| 13:45 | <johnny> just plug in any new pc..
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| 13:45 | and backing up is simple
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| 13:45 | rdiff-backup is great
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| 13:45 | incremental backups
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| 13:45 | <rjune> johnny: backup-pc
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| 13:45 | * Lns is about to deploy BackupPC on a WAN to backup 7 separate sites of LTSP servers | |
| 13:45 | <johnny> or rather you get both incremental backup.. and full backup in the same
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| 13:45 | <mr-dedup> how many users with full desktops can ltsp support today?
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| 13:45 | <johnny> Lns, does that use rsync/rdiff-backup internally?
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| 13:45 | <rjune> yes
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| 13:45 | <mr-dedup> 2 CPU AMD opteron
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| 13:46 | 50-100?
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| 13:46 | <Lns> johnny: rsync or smb, yeah
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| 13:46 | <rjune> mr-dedup: define full desktops.
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| 13:46 | <johnny> mr-dedup, hmm? what's the city state in spain that has 100K ltsp installs
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| 13:46 | <rjune> and what hardware are you using?
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| 13:46 | <johnny> hehe
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| 13:46 | <rjune> Multimedia is, and always will be problematic.
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| 13:46 | <sepski> extremadura ?
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| 13:46 | <cliebow> yeah!
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| 13:46 | <mr-dedup> rjune - gnome with office productivity tools / suites installed
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| 13:46 | <rjune> that's a case of bandwidth.
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| 13:46 | <johnny> mr-dedup, really the problem for that is not ltsp at all, but firefox and flash
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| 13:46 | <rjune> johnny: and mplayer
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| 13:46 | <johnny> they both suck
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| 13:47 | <rjune> don't assume a browser there.
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| 13:47 | <johnny> most people use a browser tho..
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| 13:47 | or need one
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| 13:47 | 90% at least
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| 13:47 | <rjune> yea
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| 13:47 | <johnny> abiword is better than openoffice on ltsp
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| 13:47 | <rjune> X could optimize the screen updates too
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| 13:48 | mr-dedup: You'll need lots of RAM, used to be there were some basic guidelines to tell you what type of server you should have for X users
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| 13:48 | <mr-dedup> so LTSP can run within a virtual machine as well I assume? any problems there?
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| 13:48 | <johnny> sure.. but why
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| 13:48 | <rjune> same as anywhere else in a VM.
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| 13:48 | <coordinador> ok, see you, bye
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| 13:48 | <rjune> johnny: same as for any other VM
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| 13:48 | <johnny> for testing .. yes
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| 13:48 | it's good
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| 13:48 | <rjune> move the VM around easily
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| 13:48 | <mr-dedup> well there are some features that vmware/citrix are using now
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| 13:48 | <Gadi> mr-dedup: go Yankees!
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| 13:48 | <rjune> HA
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| 13:48 | <mr-dedup> like vsphere
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| 13:49 | <johnny> mr-dedup, you don't need half of them on linux in general
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| 13:49 | <rjune> johnny: High Availablitly
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| 13:49 | <johnny> as you don't have to worry about hal changes and registry nonsense
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| 13:49 | * Gadi apologizes - but it had to be said | |
| 13:49 | <mr-dedup> so Gadi you figured out I was in NY? great job
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| 13:49 | coordinador has quit IRC | |
| 13:49 | <Gadi> Im just wondering if I can see you from my Window
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| 13:49 | :)
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| 13:49 | <squarepeg> GAdi knows ALL
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| 13:49 | <johnny> rjune, sure.. but just saying that he doesn't have to spend as much money as he thinks he does
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| 13:49 | <Gadi> er, lowercase window
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| 13:49 | <johnny> or have to deal wit has much complication
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| 13:50 | * Gadi crawls back into corner | |
| 13:50 | <rjune> mr-dedup: /whois mr-dedup, is not hard to figure out.
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| 13:50 | * rjune kicks at Gadi, and stay there. | |
| 13:50 | <mr-dedup> well - vmware can hardly be argued as complicated...its installed and manged on a 12 servers in 30 minutes.
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| 13:50 | <rjune> Naa, I couldn't do that.
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| 13:50 | He'll send guido over to visit me.
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| 13:50 | <mr-dedup> but what i can see as a big benefit
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| 13:50 | <Lns> woohoo, just got the latest version of the linux thin client video i've been making =)
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| 13:51 | <mr-dedup> is being able to migrate LTSP on the fly from one cluster to another
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| 13:51 | <rjune> yeah
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| 13:51 | that could be interesting.
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| 13:51 | <mr-dedup> this could be across a WAN
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| 13:51 | very interesting
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| 13:51 | <jammcq> mr-dedup: I have a customer with Vmware esx with 3 machines in the cluster
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| 13:51 | <johnny> mr-dedup, i'm saying that vmware has to do alot more crap to deal wiht windows
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| 13:51 | <rjune> Migrate the VM around on esx server
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| 13:51 | <jammcq> it's got about 18 virtual machines, an LTSP-5 server being one of them
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| 13:51 | <mr-dedup> jammcq
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| 13:51 | nice
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| 13:52 | thats what im talking about...finally !
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| 13:52 | <rjune> I'm going back to my hole, gotta work on chillispot
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| 13:52 | <mr-dedup> thanks for the info rjune
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| 13:52 | that was awesome
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| 13:52 | <jammcq> yesterday, one of the boxes developed a memory error. we migrated all of the guests off that server onto the other 2, shutdown the server, replaced the ram, turned it back on and made it available to the cluster. all in the middle of the day, and nobody noticed
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| 13:52 | and we have about 60 thin clients on that LTSP-5 server.
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| 13:53 | I was impressed
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| 13:53 | <mr-dedup> jammcq in that scanario what specifically are they using the LTSP server for?
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| 13:53 | <jammcq> it's a medical clinic. they have terminals all over the building. Mostly running firefox with a web-based app.
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| 13:53 | <mr-dedup> i was ust doing a contract at CVS pharmacy HQ
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| 13:53 | <jammcq> it's a VERY busy clinic, with lots of stuff happening on the thin clients
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| 13:54 | <mr-dedup> and when refreshing servers we saw an increase in server performance on top of the new hypervisor, I want to incorporate a LTSP template and test....
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| 13:54 | <jammcq> cool
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| 13:54 | <mr-dedup> you can depoly them quickly with all sorts of modifications
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| 13:55 | <mr-dedup> anyway, im glad to see your doing it....
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| 13:55 | <rjune> ooh, hay
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| 13:55 | jammcq, mr-dedup: I'm working on starting a company, how did you guys go about marketing to businesses when you first got started?
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| 13:56 | <jammcq> mine was easy. I took the 2 biggest customers from the company I used to work for.
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| 13:56 | no marketing involved
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| 13:56 | <mr-dedup> b@#tard JAMCQ
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| 13:56 | haha
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| 13:56 | <sepski> hehehe
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| 13:56 | <rjune> jammcq: isn't that kind of a dick move?
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| 13:57 | <mr-dedup> spend as little as possible rjune
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| 13:57 | <rjune> mr-dedup: yea, looking for ideas on how to invite new business
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| 13:57 | <jammcq> I was leaving the company no matter what. the 2 customers needed so much custom stuff, my old company couldn't possibly handle it without me. it turned out to be a friendly parting of the ways
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| 13:57 | <mr-dedup> honestly everyday get up and use spaces that everyone is using to get something they need IE. craigslist
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| 13:57 | post resume, post skills, post weblink
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| 13:57 | <Lns> If you guys wanna see the video I've been working on for the past few months about Linux thin clients in education, check it out: http://logicalnetworking.net/other/linux-thinclients-in-education.mov
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| 13:58 | <mr-dedup> jamm what part of country you in?
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| 13:58 | <rjune> Closer to me than you.
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| 13:58 | <jammcq> detroit
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| 13:58 | <mr-dedup> ah
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| 13:58 | <rjune> He's my Northern Neighbor
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| 13:59 | <mr-dedup> i love the concept of LTSP, but I would love to develop an idea to deliver it in the cloud
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| 13:59 | thats where my questions are derived from,
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| 14:00 | can it work on the new xen cloud platform...could it be instantly delivered to end users in a totally rich environment (not web)
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| 14:00 | <Lns> mr-dedup: you need a very fast link from "the cloud" to the client for that to happen.
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| 14:00 | <rjune> There's somebody doing something similar
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| 14:00 | what's wrong with web?
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| 14:00 | Lns: or local storage as cache
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| 14:01 | <mr-dedup> lns - your not thinking outside the box.... not if you were accessing it with another method or protocol
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| 14:01 | <Lns> rjune: cache of what?
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| 14:01 | <sbalneav> Oh, <deity>, Thinking outside the box.
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| 14:01 | <rjune> Lns: for starters, initial boot environ.
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| 14:01 | <mr-dedup> yes
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| 14:01 | <rjune> sbalneav: I don't see a box, how about you?
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| 14:01 | <mr-dedup> but like i am saying...that could happen in the data center
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| 14:01 | <Lns> rjune: sure, but then you might as well just ditch ltsp..?
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| 14:01 | <mr-dedup> it doesnt have to happen locally
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| 14:02 | <sbalneav> I see lots of people thinking outside the box.
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| 14:02 | <rjune> mr-dedup: Do not try to think outside the box, that is impossible. Instead, try to realize the truth.
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| 14:02 | * Lns sees only open doors | |
| 14:02 | <mr-dedup> thanks rjune
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| 14:02 | :)
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| 14:02 | <sbalneav> What I don't see anywhere near the same number doing is CODING OUTSIDE THE BOX.
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| 14:02 | <mr-dedup> your wisdom has no bounds
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| 14:02 | <Lns> sbalneav: =p
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| 14:02 | <rjune> sbalneav: same to you bub. :-)
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| 14:02 | <sepski> mr-dedup, clouds often charge for bandwith a a ltsp client uses some
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| 14:03 | <rjune> an ltsp client will use a lot
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| 14:03 | * sbalneav goes back to fixing the current problems in the box. | |
| 14:03 | <rjune> *sigh*.
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| 14:03 | <sbalneav> Gadi: You there?
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| 14:03 | <Lns> mr-dedup: NX is really a good solution to the problem you're showing.
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| 14:03 | <Gadi> sbalneav: only for a min or two - waiting on a call
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| 14:04 | <sbalneav> Here's where I think the core of the problem is: on the thin client.
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| 14:04 | <Gadi> sbalneav: did you see my post about LOCALDEV_MOUNT_OPTIONS?
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| 14:04 | <Lns> LTSP is more for local networks because it utilizes high-bandwidth LANs so centralization is higher
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| 14:04 | <mr-dedup> what is NX?
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| 14:04 | ill look noe
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| 14:04 | now
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| 14:04 | <Gadi> sbalneav: test ur theory with: LOCALDEV_MOUNT_OPTIONS = "gid=0"
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| 14:04 | <Appiah> someone here running jaunty 64bit client? does not have to be LTSP , I just need to test something with flash
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| 14:05 | <Lns> mr-dedup: http://openfacts2.berlios.de/wikien/index.php/BerliosProject:FreeNX_-_FAQ
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| 14:05 | <sbalneav> Won't work.
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| 14:05 | because the dir still will be 750 on the thin client
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| 14:05 | it's the mode that's passed through.
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| 14:05 | <Gadi> ah
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| 14:06 | but, still
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| 14:06 | <sbalneav> so I think I have to patch the ltspfs_mount|umount scripts that ltspfsd uses to mount the device physically on the thin client.
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| 14:06 | <Gadi> is the ownership passed through?
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| 14:06 | <sbalneav> no
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| 14:06 | <Gadi> are you sure?
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| 14:06 | <sbalneav> ltspfs makes all ownership look like you, remember?
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| 14:06 | on the thin client, it's ALREADY mounted root:root
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| 14:06 | <Gadi> ah, right
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| 14:07 | but, we dont want to actually change the mode of the root of the media
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| 14:07 | just the mode that appears when mounted
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| 14:07 | otherwise, we have the same issue of modd'ing the media's filesystem
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| 14:08 | <sbalneav> Well, I think we can handle that with a -o perms= on the mount.
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| 14:08 | I'll have to test it tonight.
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| 14:08 | <Gadi> so, can you try: LOCALEDV_MOUNT_OPTIONS = "perms=..."
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| 14:08 | <Lns> mount -o mode=0700 ?
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| 14:08 | <sbalneav> yeah
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| 14:08 | <Gadi> it'll probably be filesystem-specific
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| 14:08 | <sbalneav> ok, I'llgive that a go, uno momento
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| 14:08 | <Gadi> but, should work on th usual characters
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| 14:08 | <sbalneav> yeah, it'll have to be for fat filesystems.
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| 14:09 | lemme do some poking.
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| 14:09 | <Gadi> seems fat and others have a "umask" option
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| 14:10 | while iso9660 has a "mode" option
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| 14:10 | <sbalneav> If we can't do it that way, then all I'd have to do is patch ltspfsd to "misreport" the perms for / on the mounted filesystem in the _getattr call.
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| 14:10 | <Gadi> gotta love consistency
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| 14:10 | <sbalneav> in fact, that may be easier.
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| 14:10 | since it would avoid the "every filesystem has different mount options.
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| 14:10 | problem
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| 14:10 | yeah
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| 14:11 | yeeeaaaahhhh
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| 14:11 | * Gadi likes the way u think | |
| 14:11 | <Gadi> go Yankees!
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| 14:11 | ;)
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| 14:11 | <sbalneav> Fake it 'till you make it.
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| 14:11 | OK
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| 14:11 | everyone can go back outside their boxes now.
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| 14:12 | I'll have something to test by tonight, hopefully
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| 14:12 | <Gadi> u rock
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| 14:12 | now, where has stgraber been hiding?
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| 14:12 | <sbalneav> He's a small guy
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| 14:12 | <Gadi> so we can beat him up about poweroff?
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| 14:12 | :)
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| 14:12 | <sbalneav> could be anywhere
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| 14:12 | <Gadi> true dat
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| 14:12 | <sbalneav> doesn't poweroff -fp solve it?
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| 14:12 | <Gadi> I just hope he's hung over tomorrow
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| 14:13 | sbalneav: it does - but he was the one who took the -f part out
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| 14:13 | so, he must have had a reason
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| 14:13 | I dont want to just change it back
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| 14:13 | :)
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| 14:13 | <sbalneav> heh
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| 14:13 | <Lns> Gadi: sbalneav: what's the issue w/poweroff (ldm) ?
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| 14:13 | <sbalneav> ok, we'll wait for him
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| 14:13 | it's doing a shutdown
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| 14:14 | <Gadi> Lns: currently, we do poweroff -p
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| 14:14 | <sbalneav> first thing that goes is the network
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| 14:14 | <Gadi> which starts init scripts to shutdown cleanly
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| 14:14 | one of which unmounts the nbd rootfs
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| 14:14 | :)
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| 14:14 | <sbalneav> which kind of sucks for your nbd mounted filesystem :)
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| 14:14 | <Gadi> right
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| 14:14 | <Lns> oooh gotcha
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| 14:15 | <Gadi> the -fp means just go straight to halt
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| 14:15 | <sbalneav> It's kind of like that trick with the tablecloth, only when you pull out the tablecloth, the table ITSELF disappears :)
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| 14:15 | <Gadi> which on a normal system can cause corruption
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| 14:15 | <Lns> i was dealing with a cornercase w/that in ldm where when you 'shut down' from the pref. menu it won't WoL
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| 14:15 | <Gadi> I think stgraber was prolly worried about sshfs
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| 14:15 | and corrupting things
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| 14:15 | but, sshfs should be unmounted at the ldm screen
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| 14:16 | so, that cant be it
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| 14:16 | <Lns> this is all because of upstart in 9.10?
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| 14:16 | * Gadi shrugs | |
| 14:16 | <Gadi> Lns: prolly made it show up
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| 14:16 | where it didnt before
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| 14:17 | ok, now to go find out where my phone call is...
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| 14:17 | <vagrantc> i think a better option would be to *not* have NBD unmounted.
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| 14:17 | there are hooks for that in the NBD scripts in debian
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| 14:17 | <Gadi> vagrantc: kinda hard if networking goes away
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| 14:17 | no?
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| 14:17 | <vagrantc> Gadi: so don't take down networking either?
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| 14:17 | <Gadi> right
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| 14:17 | * Gadi hasn't looked at karmic's upstart networking handling | |
| 14:17 | <Gadi> :)
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| 14:18 | <vagrantc> i'd much prefer figuring out the handful of places where we need to special case LTSP than just pulling the power.
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| 14:19 | <Gadi> but, think of our unboot time speeds! ;)
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| 14:20 | <vagrantc> heh.
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| 14:20 | <cliebow> sbalneav:i Liked at reference to tables diappearing
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| 14:21 | <sbalneav> Yeah, I was pretty proud of that one.
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| 14:21 | We out to start a wiki page with some of my whacky analogies. I've had a few doozies over the years :)
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| 14:21 | <cliebow> where does upstart live?
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| 14:22 | we were sort of talking about running assp via init
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| 14:22 | or upstart as the child of init?
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| 14:24 | <sbalneav> lol, from #sabayon:
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| 14:24 | < federico> sbalneav: you aren't stepping on anyone's toes - sabayon is right now a one-man show (you) plus me just making tarballs :)
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| 14:24 | I need my one-man-band outfit.
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| 14:25 | I'd have Christopher Walken saying "I gotta have more Kazoo"
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| 14:25 | * Lns gives sbalneav a highhat on a hat | |
| 14:25 | <cliebow> heh
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| 14:28 | <rjune> http://inconnu.islug.org/~ink/new/humor/new_cisco_logo.gif <-- not to be outdone by Juniper, Cisco announced their new logo
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| 14:29 | <Lns> rjune: LOL
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| 14:33 | <jammcq> sbalneav: so yer the sabayon maintainer now, eh?
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| 14:33 | or just lead developer
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| 14:33 | <Appiah> rjune: :D
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| 14:37 | <Lns> no better lead dev than sbalneav !
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| 14:43 | <rjune> Congrats sbalneav.
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| 14:43 | now I know where to send people with sabyon problems. :-)
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| 14:47 | <kdegel> ubuntu.com seems to be down?
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| 14:49 | <rjune> are you surprised?
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| 14:49 | <kdegel> haha no
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| 14:50 | just making sure
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| 14:50 | I just tried from my phone as well
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| 14:50 | <rjune> I'm having issues too
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| 14:50 | <Lns> heh, i just tried too...
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| 14:50 | <Lns> historical downtime during new release
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| 14:50 | <johnny> sbalneav, did you try registering for an account?
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| 14:51 | a gnome devel account that is
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| 14:51 | * Lns wonders why they can't get hosted somewhere uber cool | |
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| 14:59 | <alkisg> Lns, so what did you do about that wol problem? ran ethtool eth0 -s wol g ?
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| 14:59 | <Lns> alkisg: yeah, has no effect on some certain clients...mainly older compaq ipaqs
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| 15:00 | <alkisg> Uhm, and where did ldm fit into the problem?
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| 15:00 | <dro> the install commands for ltsp all the same on 9.10?
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| 15:00 | <Lns> alkisg: well the poweroff command is in ldm code in the preferences menu
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| 15:01 | <alkisg> Lns, I mean, as opposed to doing what, do make wol work?
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| 15:01 | <Lns> was thinking that it was the wrong switches/something in that that turns off the adapter
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| 15:01 | <alkisg> *to
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| 15:01 | <Lns> halt/poweroff is confusing to me
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| 15:01 | <alkisg> Did you find any way to make wol work?
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| 15:01 | <Lns> i think its just a buggy bios in the workstations though, my cron job turns the systems off at night (using /sbin/halt) so i dunno if its an issue anymore
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| 15:02 | <alkisg> I think it may be a net module problem...
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| 15:02 | <Lns> i was just onsite yesterday though installing the shutdown warning script i made so i'll get in contact w/the tech on site and ask her
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| 15:02 | alkisg: you mean the ethtool cmd doesn't work on those nics?
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| 15:03 | <alkisg> Yeah, it either doesn't work at all, or it reports it does, but it doesn't. That's just a hunch, though...
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| 15:03 | <dro> I am sooo happy about 9.10, it resolves all the internal speaker issues I was having
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| 15:03 | I had absolutely no sound modules running, and that darn thing would still play music
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| 15:04 | <Lns> dro: heh, that's like the polar opposite of what it used to be w/linux 10 years ago...sound was hard to get working, now you can't get it NOT to work =p
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| 15:05 | <dro> Lns: yea, I had some good laughs explaining it to my boss
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| 15:05 | I told him, the cool thing about linux is that, EVERYTHING WORKS, just might not work the exact way you expect it to lol
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| 15:05 | <Lns> dro: how big of an ltsp network do you have that you just moved them to a new release?
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| 15:05 | hahaha
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| 15:06 | <dro> Lns: I just did a reg install on a desktop to test first, still building the client now, but this client has about 100 thin clients
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| 15:06 | <Lns> oh holy sh*t i just accidentally removed my index.html! baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah
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| 15:06 | <dro> lololol
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| 15:07 | <sbalneav> johnny: No, not yet. Guess I should, eh? :)
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| 15:07 | Lns: Restore from backups, no problem.
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| 15:07 | <johnny> sbalneav, then you can commit and branch as you please
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| 15:08 | <dro> Lns: I would love to have it working today, but sudo ltsp-build-client is going slow....can't everyone stop downloading/updating while I build client? lol
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| 15:08 | <cliebow> dro:shoulda done it this morning..i got my powerpc .img done
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| 15:09 | <johnny> yeah.. damn those other people :)
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| 15:09 | /me kicsk all those people who aren't me
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| 15:09 | hehe
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| 15:09 | i'm ready to upgrade to karmic myself
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| 15:09 | so..
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| 15:09 | <dro> cliebow: as soon as I left siteA to go to SiteB it released, and it took me 3 hours to get there
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| 15:09 | <johnny> what's that LOCAL_APPS_MENU_ITEMS supposed to do
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| 15:09 | orwhatever it is in lts-parameters
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| 15:09 | <cliebow> lets see..write a script that dos's all other machines
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| 15:09 | <alkisg> johnny: restricts to certain apps
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| 15:09 | <johnny> i tried putting firefox in there.. it didn't work
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| 15:09 | it still launched on the server
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| 15:10 | <alkisg> johnny: you need LOCAL_APPS_MENU=True
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| 15:10 | <dro> good luck in your ventures guys, I am outta here for the day!
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| 15:10 | <johnny> oh
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| 15:10 | <johnny> perhaps that is m problem
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| 15:10 | alkisg, thanks..
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| 15:10 | :(
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| 15:10 | <alkisg> You don't need LOCAL_APPS_MENU_ITEMS, that's only to *restrict* things. np..
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| 15:10 | <sbalneav> johnny: Ok, save me some time, where do I sign up?
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| 15:10 | <johnny> well i only want firefox to work
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| 15:10 | or rather
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| 15:11 | wait.. so if i just install firefox?
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| 15:11 | it'll work locally ?
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| 15:11 | seems not true :)
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| 15:11 | with LOCAL_APPS_MENU=True ?
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| 15:11 | <alkisg> Yeah, just install firefox and put LOCAL_APPS_MENU=True
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| 15:11 | * alkisg hopes he doesn't forget anything... | |
| 15:11 | <Lns> sbalneav: actually i'm really really happy i had a copy of it going in firefox...view source...YES
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| 15:12 | hehe...my backups are kinda old (smacks himself)
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| 15:12 | * sbalneav smacks ever harder | |
| 15:12 | <sbalneav> BACKUPS PEOPLE, BACKUPS BACKUPS BACKUPS!!!!
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| 15:13 | <Lns> I've been working to get backuppc going for myself off-site....it worked but then i ran out of hard disk space, so i've been waiting to get a new drive :(
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| 15:13 | <sbalneav> This message brought to you by the angry sysadmins at the Scary Devil Monastary (alt.sysadmin.recovery)
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| 15:14 | <cliebow> and to all a good night..
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| 15:14 | <sbalneav> Night cliebow
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| 15:14 | * sbalneav looks at the window | |
| 15:14 | <squarepeg> gnight sbalneav!
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| 15:14 | <sbalneav> Sun must be setting early in Bar Harbour.
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| 15:15 | <johnny> huh neat ..
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| 15:15 | http://0pointer.de/blog/projects/mango-lassi.html
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| 15:15 | <sbalneav> Anyone here still read usenet?
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| 15:15 | Or am I the last of a dying breed.
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| 15:15 | <Lns> sbalneav: usenet is dead, didn't you get that memo? haha
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| 15:15 | <chrisinajar> sbalneav: you're old.
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| 15:15 | :)
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| 15:15 | <Lns> i <3 usenet. I hate how google got rid of a lot of it from their archives
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| 15:15 | <sbalneav> I've been on the internet since 1985
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| 15:15 | <johnny> sbalneav, i can't find it on google
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| 15:16 | where did that damn app go
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| 15:16 | <sbalneav> I'm not just OLD, I'm a freaking METHUSELAh
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| 15:16 | <chrisinajar> sbalneav: i was born 3 years later :P
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| 15:17 | <sbalneav> chrisinajar: I was reading RFC 813 before you were a twinkle in your daddy's eye.
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| 15:17 | <Lns> I was playing Frogger on a C=64 in 1985
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| 15:18 | <sbalneav> I learned mail by reading RFC821 :(
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| 15:18 | That's a bad way to learn to mail, let me tell you ;)
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| 15:18 | <Lns> sbalneav: but i'm sure you know it much better than everyone else!
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| 15:18 | <alkisg> Hmmm that's why html in emails isn't allowed, it's not RFC821 compliant... :P
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| 15:19 | <Lns> html doesn't belong in e-mail.
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| 15:19 | <sbalneav> Lns: Phhht
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| 15:19 | I've forgotten everything I knew.
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| 15:19 | <sbalneav> Keep killing those braincells on Lobster night at BTS
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| 15:20 | <Lns> lobster night?? Awwww, now I *really* wish I coulda gone!
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| 15:20 | <sbalneav> 4.5 pounders
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| 15:21 | <Lns> dommit
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| 15:21 | <sbalneav> And a very peaty scotch courtesy of ogra
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| 15:21 | and wine
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| 15:21 | and beer
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| 15:21 | * Lns loves saving the ocean life, but also loves lobster in his tummy | |
| 15:21 | <sbalneav> and lobster
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| 15:21 | jammcq had 3!
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| 15:21 | <Lns> LOL!
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| 15:21 | nice
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| 15:21 | i coulda brought some good sonoma county wine ..i shoulda thought to ship some to you guys
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| 15:22 | <CAN-o-SPAM> sbalneav: i heard there was a hammer involved
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| 15:23 | <sbalneav> Hammers, cliebow had a clamp, GodFather was stamping on claws with his shoe...
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| 15:23 | I have pics!
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| 15:23 | <CAN-o-SPAM> hilarious
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| 15:23 | you'll have to send those over or post online
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| 15:23 | <sbalneav> Which I forgot to post last night
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| 15:23 | <CAN-o-SPAM> heard GodFather got demolished at the table
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| 15:24 | <sbalneav> Oh, it was beyond humiliating.
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| 15:24 | <CAN-o-SPAM> hahaha
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| 15:24 | <sbalneav> jammcq pwned GodFather.
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| 15:24 | <CAN-o-SPAM> oh i'm sad i missed it
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| 15:25 | <sbalneav> Yeah, well, get your *ss out there next time no excuses :)
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| 15:25 | Lns: You too.
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| 15:25 | <CAN-o-SPAM> yup will do
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| 15:26 | <Lns> sbalneav: yessir
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| 15:26 | <sbalneav> I DIDN'T SEE A SALUTE SOLDIER!!!
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| 15:26 | <Lns> CAN-o-SPAM: you wanna see the video i've been telling you about?
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| 15:26 | * Lns salutes GodFather | |
| 15:26 | <Lns> =p
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| 15:26 | <sbalneav> heh
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| 15:26 | <CAN-o-SPAM> sbalneav is NOT the godfather, although almost as cool ;)
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| 15:26 | <arx> What files do I need to edit to change the default IP address for the LTSP side in Ubuntu? I have changed /etc/network/interfaces and /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf, ran ltsp-update-sshkeys. Client boots and gets a login box, but when I try and login it says: no response from server, restarting...
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| 15:26 | <CAN-o-SPAM> Lns: yeah!
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| 15:27 | <Lns> http://logicalnetworking.net/other/linux-thinclients-in-education.mov
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| 15:27 | <sbalneav> arx: did you do an ltsp-update-image?
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| 15:27 | you need that after the ssh-keys
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| 15:27 | <kdegel> ogra: I must log off today and go home, you can contact me anytime though via email kennethdegel(at)gmail
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| 15:27 | thanks for your help
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| 15:27 | <arx> I actually built the image after changing the ip address....
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| 15:28 | but before the update ssh keys part
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| 15:28 | <kdegel> ogra: or via launchpad as well :)
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| 15:28 | <Lns> sbalneav: why do you need an ltsp-update-image after ip addy change?
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| 15:29 | arx: did you restart the ssh daemon?
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| 15:30 | <sbalneav> Lns: because the ssh-keys are tied to an ip address, which is stored in the chroot.
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| 15:30 | <CAN-o-SPAM> Lns: final cut?
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| 15:30 | <sbalneav> arx: update the image, that will solve it.
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| 15:30 | <arx> Lns: I rebooted the entire server
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| 15:30 | <sbalneav> ltsp-update-sshkeys, then ltsp-update-image.
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| 15:30 | <arx> sbalneav: ok, I am trying that now.
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| 15:30 | got it! ;)
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| 15:31 | <Lns> CAN-o-SPAM: pretty much, besides changing the redhat logo to the ubuntu logo (since that's what i work with primarily)
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| 15:31 | and any suggestions by the OSS community.. =)
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| 15:31 | sbalneav: oooh yeah the ssh keys. =p
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| 15:31 | <CAN-o-SPAM> Cool video, i feel very humbled, and it makes me want to go home and play my car
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| 15:31 | <sbalneav> http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/years/2009/1029091birther1.html
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| 15:31 | <CAN-o-SPAM> car in the case = guitar
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| 15:31 | <sbalneav> Looks like Orly got a bit of a smackdown.
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| 15:32 | <Lns> CAN-o-SPAM: lol, it makes you want to play guitar?
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| 15:32 | from the music you mean?
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| 15:32 | <CAN-o-SPAM> well ... i mean if i wanted open source software or thin clients i would go to myself to get it
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| 15:32 | so after that ... yes from the music
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| 15:33 | <Lns> haha =)
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| 15:33 | i loved the lighting in the 1220 shot =)
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| 15:34 | <sbalneav> Oooh, asking witnesses to lie to the court. That's like, a BIG no-no if you're a lawyer.
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| 15:34 | <CAN-o-SPAM> Lns: i know i just wished it had our logo on it!! you got them right before the new logos came out
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| 15:34 | <sbalneav> Actually, I'll correct that.
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| 15:34 | It's like, the BIGGEST no-no
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| 15:35 | <Lns> CAN-o-SPAM: yeah, i know :(
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| 15:35 | sbalneav: heh..always something w/presidents people try to get them out of office
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| 15:36 | clinton smoked a little pot, bush broke constitutional law, obama wasn't born here =p
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| 15:36 | (satirical emphasis on the second)
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| 15:37 | <weirddood55> Can ltsp create an image for me that can be used more like a diskless client. I tried the Ubuntu Fat Client instructions but most of the applications still run on the server
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| 15:37 | <arx> ...spoke too soon.. it's still timing out. I ran: ltsp-update-sshkeys then ltsp-update-image. I am going to rebuild the whole chroot again.... will report back when it is done; taking forever today.
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| 15:37 | <alkisg> arx: just try to ssh to the server and see the logs
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| 15:37 | from a local client terminal (=alt+ctrl+f1)
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| 15:38 | <sbalneav> yeah, could be something going on with your sshd.
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| 15:38 | <arx> too late, I whacked the boot image already and the client is off :(
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| 15:39 | I had changed the IP address, but not restarted my nic, so I think that might have tainted my chroot/image...
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| 15:40 | <alkisg> Well, you don't have to rebuild the chroot every time you change your ip :)
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| 15:40 | An ltsp-update-sshkeys && ltsp-update-image is enough
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| 15:41 | If that doesn't work, then it probably isn't an ip problem...
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| 15:41 | <arx> did I forgot to change some other files besides /etc/network/interfaces and /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf?
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| 15:41 | <alkisg> No, if your client booted that all those were fine
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| 15:42 | *then
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| 15:42 | <arx> humm....
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| 15:44 | ok, I will try not to delete my chroot again... hehe. it looks like it's gonna take forever and a day to rebuild (again) *sigh*... so I'll stop back in when it finishes if I still have probs. thx guys!
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| 15:46 | <Lns> arx: why not use a network mirror for building the chroot?
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| 15:47 | i.e. ltsp-build-client --mirror <mirror.url>
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| 15:47 | <alkisg> or the alternate cd as a source...
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| 15:47 | <Lns> poor ubuntu.com
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| 15:49 | * alkisg downloaded the karmic.iso in 38 seconds today... sigh... I wish my home adsl was also a gigabit connection to the internet :( | |
| 15:49 | <Lns> lol
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| 15:49 | gotta love internet exchanges!
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| 15:50 | <alkisg> 21 Mb/sec, that was the best downloading experience ever
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| 15:50 | <Lns> i used to admin a few dns/mx servers that had direct ethernet (bout 30mb/sec) at some exchanges...man i loved that
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| 15:51 | of course the largest bandwidth i used there was using apt-get =p
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| 15:51 | but STILL!
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| 15:51 | <alkisg> Yeah with that kind of speeds, hard disks wouldn't be needed anymore
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| 15:52 | <Lns> seriously. well in a few years SSD will be up to snuff hopefully
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| 15:53 | did you hear the story yesterday about intel (i think?) who improved write speed by about 30% in their SSDs? (but then took the firmware upgrade offline because of problems w/some people)
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| 15:53 | <sbalneav> I've been using it in my netbook for a while now. I'm quite happy with SSD
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| 15:53 | <Lns> me too, got one of the oldest eeepcs w/4gb ssd, heh..no issues (knocks on wood)
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| 15:53 | <alkisg> sbalneav: can you run an hdparm on it? to see how it compares to normal HDs?
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| 15:54 | sudo hdparm -tT /dev/sda
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| 15:54 | /dev/sda: Timing cached reads: 5232 MB in 2.00 seconds = 2621.49 MB/sec
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| 15:54 | Timing buffered disk reads: 170 MB in 3.02 seconds = 56.34 MB/sec
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| 15:55 | <arx> Lns: didn't know about that :) thanks for the tip.
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| 16:13 | <mr-dedup> I have to create mkinitrd img, why is this not available in ubuntu
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| 16:23 | <sbalneav> alkisg: Well, it's definitely slower than a hard drive
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| 16:23 | <alkisg> sbalneav: how much? 20 ?
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| 16:23 | <sbalneav> 598.17 MB/s cached
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| 16:23 | <johnny> mr-dedup, huh? ubuntu doesn't use mkinitrd
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| 16:23 | iirc
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| 16:24 | that's an rpm based distro thing..
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| 16:24 | <sbalneav> 37.21mb/s cached
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| 16:24 | <johnny> ubuntu/debian use whatever comes with initramfs-tools
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| 16:24 | <sbalneav> so, about 5 times slower.
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| 16:24 | <alkisg> Ah, not bad... I've heard of some extreme bandwidth reports though with some SSDs, more than 100 Mb/s...
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| 16:24 | sbalneav: no mine had 58
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| 16:24 | The first one is mostly measuring the CPU speed
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| 16:24 | <sbalneav> ah
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| 16:25 | WRITE speeds are definitely slow.
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| 16:25 | I mean, I wouldn't want an SSD in a server machine yet
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| 16:25 | but for my little netbook, it's pretty peppy
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| 16:26 | <alkisg> I think they're going to be a lot faster than the hard disk really soon...
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| 16:26 | <sbalneav> Oh, probably.
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| 16:26 | <alkisg> ...as they can be massively parallelized
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| 16:29 | <sbalneav> I've been quite pleased.
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| 16:41 | <CAN-o-SPAM> sbalneav, let me know when those pics go up!
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| 18:07 | <dro> whoa pxelinux.cfg/default looks different
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| 18:07 | I am trying to add IPAPPEND 3 to 9.10 pxelinux.cfg/default, anyone tested it yet?
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| 18:25 | <dro> whoa, i tried to do sudo adduser and it said only one or two can be allowed?
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| 19:00 | <Eeyore-Jr> not true
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| 19:00 | dro u adding the same user?
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| 19:00 | over and over?
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| 19:06 | <dro> Eeyore-Jr: yea, fixed it by doing: sudo adduser test
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| 19:06 | lol
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| 19:06 | by just doing sudo adduser
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| 19:06 | it tried to add my current user
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| 19:06 | lol
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| 19:06 | to mee, seems like a bug but who knows
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| 20:46 | <sbalneav> cd
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| 20:56 | <Pulga> what happened with ltsp.org??
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| 21:05 | <dro> anyone setup proxydhcp for 9.10?
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| 21:12 | <Pulga> what happened with ltsp.org??
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| 21:13 | <dro> anyone using rdesktop with 9.10 ?
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| 21:35 | anyone around tonight?
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| 21:35 | my old lts.conf config for rdesktop isn't working with 9.10
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| 21:35 | seems like the screen is off
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| 21:36 | <dro> it was on SCREEN_02 before, but shell was on screen_03, and now shell in the example lts.conf is on screen_07
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| 21:36 | maybe i'll try screen_06 for rdesktop
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| 21:47 | <sbalneav> Evening all
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| 21:47 | <dro> good evening
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| 21:47 | <sbalneav> Pulga: Pardon?
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| 21:48 | <dro> I am having one heck of a time, getting rdesktop to work with 9.10
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| 21:48 | sbalneav: looks like www.ltsp.org is down
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| 21:48 | <sbalneav> Yup
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| 21:48 | it does.
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| 21:49 | <Pulga> is it down?
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| 21:49 | <dro> sbalneav: do you nkow if I would use a screen script for rdesktop like in 9.04, or a different way for 9.10
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| 21:50 | <sbalneav> Pulga: looks like it.
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| 21:50 | <Pulga> ok
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| 21:50 | <sbalneav> dro: should be the regular screen script.
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| 21:51 | <dro> sbalneav: it's no bueno, not working at all
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| 21:51 | i guess i could check to make rdesktop is installed, but it should be by default
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| 21:52 | <sbalneav> I'm not sure wether it's installed by default in the chroot or not.
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| 21:53 | rdesktop connects to windows machines.
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| 21:53 | and I have very
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| 21:53 | VERY
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| 21:53 | <dro> it is, i just checked
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| 21:53 | <sbalneav> few of those in my life :)
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| 21:54 | <dro> i am jealous of you sir
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| 21:54 | <sbalneav> so, what's it doing?
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| 21:55 | <dro> basically just reboots over and over and over again
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| 21:55 | for giggles i'm doing a sudo ltsp-update-image right now
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| 22:00 | still no luck
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| 22:14 | <dro> sbalneav: i copied the lts.conf from my last server to this one
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| 22:14 | using the same basic rdesktop screen script
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| 22:16 | <sbalneav> you copied over the rdesktop script?
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| 22:17 | <dro> i am using the default one
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| 22:17 | rdesktop
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| 22:18 | i am using a customized screen script at anotyher site, but this one is just using the old plain jane rdesktop
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| 22:18 | it also exists, it's int he right stop
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| 22:18 | *spot
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| 22:18 | /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/share/ltsp/screen.d/rdesktop
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| 22:18 | i took out all ym rdesktop options, left it just at -a 16
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| 22:19 | most basic option
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| 22:19 | <sbalneav> Can you pastebot your lts.conf file?
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| 22:19 | !pastebot
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| 22:19 | <ltspbot> sbalneav: "pastebot" is The LTSP pastebot is at http://pastebot.ltsp.org. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebot, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. A link to the content will be pasted in the channel.
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| 22:20 | <dro> ok ltsp.org is down
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| 22:20 | lol
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| 22:20 | it's small, i'll slip it in here
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| 22:20 | [default]
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| 22:20 | RDP_OPTIONS = "-a 16"
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| 22:20 | SCREEN_02 = rdesktop
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| 22:20 | RDP_SERVER = 172.16.1.6
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| 22:24 | i'm a retard
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| 22:24 | sigh, thats what I get for having too many customers
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| 22:24 | this site is 172.17.1.6
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| 22:24 | lol
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| 22:24 | works now
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| 22:25 | <sbalneav> there you go.
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| 22:26 | <dro> sbalneav: ty for your help
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| 22:29 | <sbalneav> I didn't do much :)
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| 22:29 | But your welcome :)
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| 22:31 | <sbalneav> Morning alkisg
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| 22:31 | So federico said he'd sponsor me for a git account upstream at gnome.
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| 22:31 | <alkisg> Hello sbalneav, hi all
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| 22:32 | <dro> hiya alkisg
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| 22:33 | <alkisg> sbalneav: congrats! So we're gonna have a lobster-powered sabayon, cool! :)
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| 22:35 | * sbalneav digs into ltspfs | |
| 22:38 | <sbalneav> And to think it started with this:
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| 22:38 | http://mail.gnome.org/archives/sabayon-list/2009-January/msg00000.html
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| 22:38 | Now, 10 months later, I'm upstream :)
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| 22:46 | <sbalneav> hey vagrantc
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| 22:46 | * vagrantc waves | |
| 22:47 | <sbalneav> vagrantc: pere mentioned something about a pam module needing fixing in debian.
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| 22:47 | Can you remember what module it was?
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| 22:47 | <vagrantc> sbalneav: not off the top of my head
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| 22:48 | pam this, pam that. when are people going to talk about *my* needs.
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| 22:51 | * vagrantc would probably be having post-hackfest blues by now | |
| 22:51 | <vagrantc> that seemed like a really short weekend, from an outsiders perspective
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| 22:52 | <sbalneav> vagrantc: What do you need?
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| 22:54 | <vagrantc> well, i guess i can't complain much. i've got food, shelter, and a name that makes people say "what?" the first few times.
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| 22:54 | <sbalneav> lol
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| 22:54 | You own a cat?
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| 22:55 | <vagrantc> no, even better. the room-mates got em.
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| 22:55 | all the fun, without most of the hassle
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| 22:55 | <sbalneav> ok...
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| 22:55 | * sbalneav thinks hard | |
| 22:55 | <sbalneav> Are you loved?
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| 22:56 | <vagrantc> probably.
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| 22:56 | <sbalneav> ok, well, there you go then.
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| 22:56 | If you said no, I was gonna say I loved you.
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| 22:57 | but since you DIDN'T....
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| 22:57 | * sbalneav goes off in a huff to cry... | |
| 22:57 | <vagrantc> i'll keep that in mind, in a dark hour...
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| 22:57 | speaking of dark... the sun seems to be hanging out with a different crowd now.
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| 22:57 | <sbalneav> gonna have to be pretty freaking dark to get any comfort out of the fact that I love you. :)
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| 22:58 | Yes!
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| 22:58 | it's that whole 23 1/3 degree tilt thingy.
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| 22:59 | <vagrantc> at least we've got global warming!
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| 23:00 | <sbalneav> foop on that. When it gets wet enough on old planet earth, Scotty's gonna be swimmin', seeing as how where I live used to be at the bottom of a freaking LAKE when it was warmer :(
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| 23:01 | I'm hoping I'll be safely dead and buried by that time.
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| 23:01 | <vagrantc> invest in a houseboat. i always thought it'd be cool to live in a houseboat.
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| 23:02 | <sbalneav> Meanwhile, I recycle, drive an efficient 4 cyl car, compost, etc.
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| 23:02 | * vagrantc just picked up the second hummer | |
| 23:03 | <sbalneav> The thought of YOU driving around in a hummer is fantastic :)
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| 23:05 | Chatting to jammcq
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| 23:06 | he says innurnet is borken at the office, comcats will fix tomorrow.
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| 23:29 | Hmm.
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| 23:30 | So, I'm thinking, in the same way we "fake out" the user and group id's I should "fake out" the perms in ltspfs.
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| 23:30 | by default, all files will umask 700
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| 23:30 | <dberkholz> the answer is xml
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| 23:30 | <sbalneav> buh?
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| 23:31 | <alkisg> Nah, the answer is 42... :)
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| 23:31 | <alkisg> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phrases_from_The_Hitchhiker%27s_Guide_to_the_Galaxy#Answer_to_the_Ultimate_Question_of_Life.2C_the_Universe.2C_and_Everything_.2842.29
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| 23:32 | <sbalneav> "When trying to solve a problem, oftentimes a programmer will think: 'I know, I can use Regular Expressions'. Now he has TWO problems."
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| 23:32 | <vagrantc> only two?
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| 23:33 | seems like regex allows for a plethora of failure paths
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| 23:34 | <dberkholz> just imagine a regex syntax specified by xml
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| 23:34 | <sbalneav> I always liked the XKCD cartoon, "Stand Back! I know Regular Expressions!"
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| 23:34 | <xml>
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| 23:34 | <incomprehensible goo>
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| 23:35 | (@#&^$)(*&@&^#*&||||
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| 23:35 | </incomprehensible goo>
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| 23:35 | </xml>
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| 23:35 | dberkholz: so, what's XML the answer TO?
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| 23:37 | <dberkholz> sbalneav: any question related to data or possibly programming too, if xslt is brought in
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| 23:51 | * vagrantc wonders if a self-editing regex will create AI | |
| 23:52 | <johnny> sbalneav, html seems to work pretty well
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| 23:52 | xml is good for that :)
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| 23:52 | if you use xhtml..
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