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Channel log from 11 June 2007 (all times are UTC)
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| 02:08 | <skyion> hello guys, does anyone have any idea why a usb device wouldnt work on a ltsp client.
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| 02:09 | :)
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| 02:17 | <vagrantc> skyion: which linux distro? which ltsp version?
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| 02:23 | <skyion> ubuntu 7.10
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| 02:23 | ltsp v5
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| 02:23 | when you plug the device in it doesnt show on the dmesg
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| 02:23 | on the client console.
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| 02:23 | <vagrantc> hm.
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| 02:24 | ubuntu 7.10 ... that's to be released .. october 2007 ? :P
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| 02:31 | <skyion> i mean 7.04
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| 02:31 | feisty :)
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| 02:32 | <vagrantc> so, does this usb stick work on a regular ubuntu install ?
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| 02:32 | oh wait, i can't get involved in troubleshooting right now ...
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| 02:32 | long story
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| 02:33 | <skyion> :|
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| 02:37 | ok, it shows up on the server dmesg
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| 02:37 | but not in gnome
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| 03:08 | :|
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| 03:08 | where to from heer?
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| 03:09 | *here
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| 03:45 | <Paul_UK> hey guys, as i understand it. LTSP is using X encrypted by SSH. Is there anyway to use NX protocol or VNC?
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| 03:46 | <vagrantc> Paul_UK: write a screen script that does it
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| 03:47 | Paul_UK: look in /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/lib/ltsp/screen.d for examples
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| 03:48 | <Paul_UK> vagrantc, thanks. but i take it thats a yes, but for vnc or nx?
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| 03:48 | <vagrantc> Paul_UK: yes.
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| 03:49 | gadi also probably already has some scripts ...
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| 03:49 | <Paul_UK> i'll take it as a yes for both :)
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| 03:49 | <vagrantc> right
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| 03:49 | <Paul_UK> with both vnc and nx server, sound is still 2 way?
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| 03:49 | <vagrantc> people have done both, as far as i'm aware.
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| 03:50 | no idea on the sound stuff
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| 03:50 | <Burgundavia> hey vagrantc
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| 03:51 | how is spain?
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| 04:26 | <vagrantc> ogra: debian-edu is etch-based.
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| 04:26 | ogra: that's why they use the esd stuff
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| 04:27 | * vagrantc is still stuck in france :( | |
| 04:27 | <ogra> i just wanted to point out that it changed :)
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| 04:27 | gah
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| 04:27 | silly brits
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| 04:27 | <vagrantc> they don't know what they're missing
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| 04:27 | * ogra is done with the client side of nbd/union/squashfs | |
| 04:28 | <ogra> just need the server script for inetd and an update-image script
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| 04:28 | <vagrantc> i'm getting the classic hand-off ... immagrations says i need a visa, and the UK embassy says i don't, so "just try again and be really convincing"
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| 04:28 | <ogra> yeah, its very unlikely that you as american should need a visa for GB
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| 04:29 | <vagrantc> if i try again, hopefully they don't lock me up or something ...
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| 04:29 | <ogra> heh, for what ?
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| 04:30 | <vagrantc> well, remember where i come from...
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| 04:30 | <ogra> vagrantc, didnt you say you merged gadis directx stuff in mainline ?
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| 04:30 | i dont see it in my merge
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| 04:30 | <envite> Hello all from Spain
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| 04:30 | Hola a todos desde España
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| 04:31 | <vagrantc> ah spain, a language where i can stumble through the language!
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| 04:31 | er, country
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| 04:31 | not like france.
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| 04:32 | ogra: it's definitely present in vagrant-ltsp-mainline ...
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| 04:32 | <ogra> vagrantc, also when does ltsp_config get read? can i abuse CONFIGURE_X to supress X detection ?
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| 04:32 | <vagrantc> ogra: and it's present in gutsy-ltsp as of revision 348
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| 04:32 | <vagrantc> ogra: i think CONFIGURE_X=False should disable X detection, yes.
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| 04:33 | <ogra> oooh, blind me :)
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| 04:33 | even if X is installed ?
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| 04:33 | <vagrantc> if not, it's a bug
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| 04:33 | <ogra> ah, k
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| 04:34 | <vagrantc> ogra: hrm.
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| 04:34 | ogra: doesn't look like you merged the ltsp_config stuff
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| 04:34 | <Paul_UK> vagrantc, you coming to the UK, if you are america, you dont need a visa
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| 04:34 | <ogra> wow, then i only need to change root_write_method for the nbd implementation
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| 04:34 | <vagrantc> Paul_UK: yeah, tell that the the UK border control
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| 04:34 | <ogra> vagrantc, i just did
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| 04:34 | it isnt uploaded yet
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| 04:34 | <vagrantc> ogra: ah.
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| 04:35 | <Paul_UK> vagrantc, hehe.. when I goto the US, i *dont* need a visa. I use a visa waiver form and I am entitled to 3 months in the US.
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| 04:35 | its the same for americans coming here
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| 04:35 | <vagrantc> Paul_UK: yeah, well... i've been denied once already
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| 04:35 | * vagrantc contemplates a second try | |
| 04:35 | <Paul_UK> vagrantc: how come
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| 04:36 | vagrantc: do you want to stay here more than 3months?
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| 04:36 | <vagrantc> Paul_UK: failure to provide any documentation other than a passport, pretty much
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| 04:36 | i think they thought i was gonna steal UK jobs, too.
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| 04:36 | <ogra> vagrantc, so we will have nbd root, automatic nbd swap from initramfs if the client has less than 48M and the lts.conf via tftp
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| 04:37 | i wonder how to write the server side ... i'd like to have it as flexible as possible ...
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| 04:37 | <vagrantc> ogra: regarding: if [ -z "$CONFIGURE_X" ] && [ -x /usr/bin/X ]; then
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| 04:37 | <ogra> i.er. building the image name from root-path
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| 04:37 | and using the same oin the server indeed
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| 04:37 | <Paul_UK> vagrantc: LOL, the polish, russians and everyone from Europe comes over to work here
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| 04:39 | vagrantc, if you coming here for under 3 months, you dont need a visa. just a passport and proof that you will be flying back within that time. its as simple as that, i dont care what anyone else would say.
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| 04:39 | i know, because i've been to the US 8 times now heh
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| 04:40 | <vagrantc> Paul_UK: well, tell that to the border control.
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| 04:42 | <ogra> vagrantc, configure_printer should move to ltsp-client
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| 04:42 | from -setup
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| 04:42 | <vagrantc> ogra: fine by me
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| 04:42 | <ogra> it just slows down and we dont need it before X
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| 04:43 | * vagrantc should probably not hang out in LTSP while trying to figure out what to do regarding getting into the UK | |
| 04:43 | <Paul_UK> have you checked the uk website?
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| 04:43 | <ogra> hmm and if we could move ltsp-client a bit earlier we could also move the syslog.conf stuff
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| 04:43 | its annoying anyway that syslog starts befopre ldm
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| 04:45 | <Paul_UK> LOL
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| 04:45 | vagrantc : http://www.homeoffice.gov.uk/passports-and-immigration/visas/?view=Standard
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| 04:45 | <vagrantc> Paul_UK: well, here's the story... i show up at the border with no proof of much of anything, except a passport. when asked about documentation "it's on my computer".
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| 04:45 | <Paul_UK> click on the link, under visas for coming to the uk
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| 04:46 | I chose, visitor/tourist and location and current location US.. it said, I dont need a visa
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| 04:46 | <vagrantc> Paul_UK: and when i asked them if i showed up tomorrow with the documentation, they said "no, you'll have to get a visa"
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| 04:46 | <Paul_UK> On arrival in the UK you must satisfy an immigration officer that you qualify for entry to the United Kingdom as a visitor under the Immigration Rules.
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| 04:46 | Tell them, to go to that site.
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| 04:46 | <vagrantc> yeah, where's the section that applies to "denied once, trying again" ? :P
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| 04:47 | <Paul_UK> vagrantc, its easy. forget you have been denied.
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| 04:47 | <vagrantc> Paul_UK: and erase the black mark on my passport ?
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| 04:47 | <Paul_UK> tell them, that you were denied because the officer in question, didnt know his job and didnt look at the rules.
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| 04:47 | therefore it was a mistake for you to be denied
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| 04:48 | <vagrantc> well, i'm not about to say that... but am considering going with documentation that should address all the concerns raised ...
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| 04:48 | concerns == reasons for refusal
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| 04:48 | <Paul_UK> well, do that.. i suggest you get printouts from the link I gave you and tell them, on what grounds they should refuse you entry. I know, they dont have a leg to stand on
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| 04:49 | because i have known too many people, even here at work. that are from the US and travel regularly from here to there
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| 04:49 | <vagrantc> the easiest place to go would be back to calais, but i'm thinking it would be better to try a different border than the one that refused me
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| 04:52 | <ogra> just tell them you go there for a business meeting, if they ask give them the millbank tower address
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| 04:53 | <Paul_UK> vagrantc, if you get a visa for france, then you'll be allowed entry into the uk.
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| 04:54 | * vagrantc doesn't want any mention of business whatsoever | |
| 04:54 | <ogra> well, in the end it is a business meeting :)
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| 04:54 | <Paul_UK> well as i said, you shouldnt be refused at all, if its holiday and under 3 months. i would start asking names of superiors.
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| 04:54 | <vagrantc> ogra: that's probably why i was denied in the first place ...
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| 04:55 | <ogra> because you said you come to do business ?
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| 04:55 | <vagrantc> i think that's what made them think i needed to get a work visa
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| 04:55 | <ogra> sigh
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| 04:56 | <vagrantc> my plans for the moment are to just return to the US after debconf. i think adding in work-related stuff is way too risky.
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| 06:51 | <Paul_UK> hey cool, seems that fedora core 6 has ltsp
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| 06:52 | <vagrantc> well, the *old* ltsp
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| 06:53 | <ogra> heh
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| 07:06 | <Paul_UK> ah
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| 07:06 | what about k12ltsp ?
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| 07:07 | <ogra> same
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| 07:07 | <Paul_UK> lol ok
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| 07:07 | <ogra> its redhat based
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| 07:08 | as long as nobody finishes off something for redhat, they are stuck with ltsp 4.x
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| 07:08 | <Paul_UK> i guess that'll have to be until fedora 7 is out
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| 07:08 | <ogra> i dont see anyone working on it yet ...
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| 07:09 | here were several attempts but nothing is finished ...
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| 07:09 | <Paul_UK> shame, oh well
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| 07:09 | <ogra> and i dont even think actively developed ...
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| 07:10 | <Paul_UK> i guess you need to be a developer to know how to integrate it all?
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| 07:10 | <ogra> roughly at least
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| 07:11 | you should know a bit about initramfs and scripting
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| 07:11 | <Paul_UK> i know a little scripting (grin), but initramfs, no.
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| 07:11 | <ogra> and about the way your distro bootstraps a basic image
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| 07:14 | <Paul_UK> hmm, i wonder if anyone has gotten nx clients to boot via pxe with the free 2x thinclient server and then using ltsp for the terminal services.
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| 07:14 | <vagrantc> if you're one of those people who is always too humble about your abilities, you could probably do it
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| 07:15 | <Paul_UK> vagrantc, well as i like to say, everything is possible if you try. when all my projects come to fruition here, i dont think i'll even believe what came about here and all using oss.
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| 08:20 | <gambler07> hi
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| 09:18 | <ogra> vagrantc, https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/gutsy-changes/2007-June/002913.html
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| 09:20 | <vagrantc> ogra: nice :)
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| 09:21 | <ogra> try it out
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| 09:21 | there is ltsp-update-image now
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| 09:21 | <vagrantc> ogra: is the squashfs nbd-root stuff default, or just an option ?
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| 09:21 | <ogra> just pushed the changes to the gutsy branch
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| 09:21 | its default in ubuntu
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| 09:21 | i want t get testing
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| 09:21 | *to
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| 09:22 | the speedup is so significant that i think we should default to it
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| 09:22 | and its the best way to get rifd of bindmounts and have unionfs finally
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| 09:22 | <ogra> *rid
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| 09:22 | <Gadi> yeah!
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| 09:23 | <ogra> now only the diverting for udevsettle is missing and i'm done with the speedups
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| 09:23 | <ogra> and docs for all i have done indeed
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| 09:24 | <sbalneav> ogra!!!!!!!!!
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| 09:24 | <ogra> s!
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| 09:24 | <sbalneav> I logged in last night via ldm2 :)
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| 09:24 | <ogra> !s
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| 09:24 | <ltspbot> ogra: "s" is Scotty!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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| 09:24 | <ogra> cool
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| 09:24 | <sbalneav> OK
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| 09:24 | <ogra> i've just pushed the change that makes squashfs via nbd wit unionfs the default
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| 09:24 | <sbalneav> So, I got a branch. Just gotta upload it now.
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| 09:24 | <ogra> lets see how crappy my scripts are :)
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| 09:25 | <cliebow_> heh
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| 09:26 | <Gadi> ogra: did you try d/ling lts.conf via tftp, too?
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| 09:26 | <ogra> Gadi, yep
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| 09:26 | not *try*
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| 09:26 | <Gadi> is that in there?
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| 09:26 | <ogra> it does it now :)
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| 09:26 | <Gadi> :)
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| 09:26 | excellent
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| 09:26 | <sbalneav> ogra does his yoda impression
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| 09:26 | <ogra> oh, wait ... that part isnt 100% done yet ... i need to determine the tftproot
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| 09:27 | * ogra just noticed he forgot to clean the hardcoded playaround parts :) | |
| 09:27 | <Gadi> oops
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| 09:27 | <ogra> sorry, it currently expects /ltsp/tribe1/lts.conf :)
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| 09:27 | <Gadi> lol
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| 09:28 | <ogra> if you want to test before my next upload :)
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| 09:28 | <Gadi> sure - we prolly also need to change ltsp-update-*
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| 09:28 | <ogra> no
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| 09:28 | <cliebow_> how about zmodem
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| 09:28 | <ogra> there is a new script
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| 09:28 | <Gadi> ah
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| 09:28 | <ogra> called ltsp-update-image
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| 09:28 | <Gadi> nice
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| 09:28 | <ogra> you need to call that after you changed the chroot
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| 09:28 | it will update everything ndb/squash related
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| 09:29 | <Gadi> looks like launchpad is down
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| 09:29 | <ogra> https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-dev/ltsp/gutsy-ltsp works
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| 09:30 | <sbalneav> hmmm
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| 09:31 | <rjune_> ogra: !
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| 09:31 | <ogra> rjune, !
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| 09:31 | <sbalneav> bzr push sftp://code.launchpad.net/~sbalneav/ltsp/scotts-gutsy <-- That should be correct to upload my branch, yes?
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| 09:31 | <rjune_> Where do I lodge an official complaint about ubuntu?
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| 09:31 | <sbalneav> What's your complaint?
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| 09:31 | <ogra> sbalneav, yup
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| 09:32 | rjune, define "official"
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| 09:32 | i mean you could slashdot it ...
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| 09:32 | <rjune_> sbalneav: packages which are referenced in documentation and in add/remove packages don't show up in add/remove packages
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| 09:32 | <ogra> or you could mean you want to go to court
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| 09:32 | <rjune_> not that official
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| 09:32 | <sbalneav> ERROR: Unable to connect to SSH host code.launchpad.net; EOF during negotiation
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| 09:32 | humm
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| 09:32 | <ogra> rjune, well, that would be a bug against documentation
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| 09:33 | <rjune_> the other could be a dep bug
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| 09:33 | <ogra> sbalneav, got the right key installed ?
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| 09:33 | <Gadi> sbalneav: I was getting that all last week for uploads
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| 09:33 | <sbalneav> checking.
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| 09:33 | <rjune_> gnome-kiss requires lha, and states so, but lha isn't available from add/remove
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| 09:33 | <ogra> whats gnome-kiss ?
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| 09:34 | apt-cache search gnome-kiss doesnt reveal anything here
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| 09:34 | are you sure thats an ubuntu package ?
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| 09:34 | <sbalneav> Ah. Might not have a key set up for this computer.
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| 09:34 | <ogra> sbalneav, heh
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| 09:34 | sbalneav, bzr push sftp://sbalneav@code.launchpad.net...
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| 09:35 | ;)
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| 09:35 | you missed the user
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| 09:36 | <sbalneav> ah, silly me
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| 09:42 | <rjune_> kubuntu-desktop is referenced in the docs(installing after the fact) but isn't in add/remove packages
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| 09:42 | ogra: I installed from a stock ubuntu install
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| 09:42 | <ogra> right, kubuntudesktop is rather a synaptics thing
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| 09:43 | add/remove will only list packages that also have a menu entry
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| 09:43 | we're working on meta .desktop files for edubuntu ... that might go back to ubuntu as well
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| 09:43 | <sbalneav> Hmmm, I'm still getting it.
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| 09:44 | <rjune_> ogra: gnomekiss, my bad
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| 09:44 | <ogra> sbalneav, you need the right key in ~/.ssh
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| 09:45 | (matching id_rsa for what is stored in LP as your ssh key)
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| 09:46 | <sbalneav> should I be referencing CODE.launchpad.net, or bazaar.launchpad.net?
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| 09:46 | <ogra> rjune, ah, gnomekiss is from universe ... there the community wuold be your counterpart for complaints :)
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| 09:46 | <sbalneav> bzr push sftp://sbalneav@code.launchpad.net/~sbalneav/ltsp/scotts-gutsy
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| 09:47 | <ogra> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BzrMaintainerHowto
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| 09:47 | uses bazaar.lp.net
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| 09:48 | <sbalneav> Ah
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| 09:48 | there it goes
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| 09:48 | <ogra> :)
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| 09:48 | <sbalneav> bazaar.lp.net
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| 09:49 | <Gadi> indeed - for me too
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| 09:50 | * ogra wonders what we could do with the fact that you can now use filesystem images on the server instead of tmpfses on the client for rw operations if you want to | |
| 09:51 | <vagrantc_> you can have nbd-server write to temporary files ... cow style operations
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| 09:51 | <ogra> we could have one fixed readonly image and an ext3 nbd exported file for RW stuff ...
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| 09:51 | for every client
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| 09:51 | <vagrantc_> ogra: just let nbd-server handle it
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| 09:51 | ah, you mean per-client ...
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| 09:51 | <ogra> yeah
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| 09:52 | initramfs can be configured to use /cow from anywhere you want now
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| 09:52 | <vagrantc_> it can dynamically create random files as needed
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| 09:52 | <ogra> yeah
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| 09:52 | <sbalneav> I have discovered liferea by the way, and life is good, now.
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| 09:52 | <vagrantc_> but you want persistance
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| 09:53 | <ogra> well, not for normal clients indeed
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| 09:53 | <sbalneav> It's great that Edubuntu includes this.
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| 09:53 | <ogra> i wonder what new usecases we can generate for the new features
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| 09:54 | like individually server side maintained netbooted workstations ...
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| 09:54 | there the persistance would make sense
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| 09:54 | for general ltsp clients the tmpfs is a feature :)
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| 10:00 | <sbalneav> They see me branchin', they hatin', web-surfin' and tryn' to catch me codin' dirty.
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| 10:00 | Woot.
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| 10:00 | <ogra> dont see your branch yet :/
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| 10:01 | * ogra pokes LP to do the scan | |
| 10:01 | <ogra> yay
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| 10:02 | sbalneav, did you chaneg the greeter code ?
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| 10:02 | *change
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| 10:02 | <sbalneav> no
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| 10:02 | not yet.
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| 10:02 | grab my branch, read the README
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| 10:02 | basically, it's a hack.
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| 10:02 | <ogra> yeah, i see a lot Xdialog and popen
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| 10:02 | <sbalneav> once I get ldm2 working well, then I'll start work on the greeter.
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| 10:02 | right
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| 10:03 | I've isolated all that cruft in the greeter_iface code.
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| 10:03 | * ogra loves LPs "codebrowse" function :) | |
| 10:03 | <sbalneav> The idea will be: once I start work on the greeter, we'll launch the greeter in the main loop, then the greeter iface code will chat with the greeter.
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| 10:04 | i.e. "gimme a login", "gimme a password", "display this error message" "whoops, gimme a new passwor" etc.
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| 10:05 | <ogra> yeah
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| 10:05 | we just need a socket to talk over
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| 10:05 | <sbalneav> right.
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| 10:05 | <ogra> shouldnt be to hard with the curret c greeter
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| 10:05 | *current
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| 10:05 | <sbalneav> But as of last night, I logged in via it.
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| 10:05 | no, not at all.
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| 10:05 | should be fairly easy.
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| 10:06 | The code's REALLY rough
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| 10:06 | I'm not testing about 1/2 the errors I should.
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| 10:06 | <ogra> can you use tmpfile for temorary files instead of hardcoded names ? or is ldminfo.authfile used anywhere ?
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| 10:07 | <sbalneav> Well, wouldn't it be better to use a well-known name, so that an external program (i'm thinking local apps) can know what the authfile is?
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| 10:07 | <ogra> i also think xorg 7.3 doesnt need fontpatch to be set but i might be wrong
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| 10:07 | *fontpath
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| 10:07 | <vagrantc_> sbalneav: then don't put it in /tmp
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| 10:08 | any directory that any random user can create files in is subject to symlink attacks
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| 10:08 | <sbalneav> Well, I think the long-term plan is to put it in /root/.Xauthority, like normal
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| 10:09 | but I haven't bothered to do that yet (i.e. another bindmount + other goo.)
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| 10:10 | <ogra> hmm
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| 10:10 | do you call any greeter cde at all anywhere ?
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| 10:10 | i dotn see anything asking for the passwrod
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| 10:10 | sbalneav, bind mounts are history :)
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| 10:11 | we have a full ywriteable filesystem
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| 10:11 | <sbalneav> ah
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| 10:11 | ok
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| 10:11 | yeah, get_passwd in greeter_iface.c
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| 10:11 | it's copyied (badly) from get_login. Variable names are misleading :)
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| 10:12 | <ogra> i'm just looking if we could hook in the existing c greeter somehow
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| 10:12 | so we could give it to the people to get feedback and tests
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| 10:12 | <sbalneav> Sure.
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| 10:12 | I'll work on that somewhat today.
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| 10:13 | Then for password expiry, we could just launch Xdialog. It would pop up over the existing greeter.
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| 10:13 | <ogra> the greeter returns 4 values, jus ignore the last two ...
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| 10:13 | first is user, second is password
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| 10:13 | <sbalneav> ugly as sin, but workable.
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| 10:13 | right
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| 10:14 | <ogra> well, if Xdialog is to ugly i can quickly write some gtk popups for you ...
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| 10:14 | just popping in front should be easy
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| 10:14 | <sbalneav> yeah
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| 10:14 | anywho, it doesn't even recycle after a logout yet, so that needs to be done :)
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| 10:15 | <ogra> right
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| 10:15 | <sbalneav> The current ldm restarts X to clear out xatoms, etc, after a session ends, yes?
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| 10:15 | <ogra> but getting the initial thing out even if its buggy will gain us more :)
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| 10:15 | <sbalneav> I wonder if there's an X program we can run that would clean up all the atoms, without having to restart the X server itself.
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| 10:15 | <ogra> gutsy is supposed to e broken ... ;)
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| 10:16 | <sbalneav> xreset-all
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| 10:17 | <Gadi> ah - thats why Xserver is reset?
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| 10:17 | <sbalneav> yeah
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| 10:17 | <Gadi> is that a security concern?
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| 10:17 | s/reset/restarted/
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| 10:17 | hmm
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| 10:18 | whats in the Xatoms?
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| 10:18 | <sbalneav> Tons of stuff
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| 10:18 | <Gadi> data?
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| 10:18 | user dat?
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| 10:18 | <ogra> atoms
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| 10:18 | <sbalneav> xprop -root
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| 10:18 | <Gadi> er, data
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| 10:20 | <sbalneav> Hmmm, wonder if keithp would know...
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| 10:20 | <Gadi> ok
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| 10:21 | and is that a matter of security?
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| 10:21 | <Gadi> the color of my menubar?
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| 10:25 | <sbalneav> Well, looks like when the last client exits, the x server resets itself.
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| 10:25 | I'll have to play around with it.
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| 10:25 | Would be nice not to have to restart X
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| 10:27 | <Gadi> so, wait - if I dont reset X and log in as a different user, and run xprop -root, I should see the first user's settings?
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| 10:27 | or if I were a malicious user, I could set a property that the next person would see?
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| 10:27 | <sbalneav> right
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| 10:27 | <Gadi> cool
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| 10:27 | very spy vs spy
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| 10:27 | ;)
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| 10:28 | <sbalneav> Which one are you?
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| 10:28 | <Gadi> does gdm clear the Xatoms/
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| 10:28 | <sbalneav> yeah, when an XDMCP session disconnects, it gets reset.
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| 10:28 | <Gadi> or are all linux pcs insecure?
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| 10:28 | ah
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| 10:29 | X doesnt respawn tho
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| 10:29 | <sbalneav> right.
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| 10:29 | What I was wondering is if there was an external program we could call to twig that piece of code.
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| 10:32 | <ogra> sbalneav, run xnest on top of the real X server
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| 10:32 | and run ldm inside it
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| 10:32 | you wil still reset X but the user wnt notice
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| 10:55 | <andresmujica> Hi in order to compile the latest nvidia driver for the actual kernel do i to compile all the LBE tree?
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| 11:10 | <sbalneav> andresmujica: Are you using ltsp4.2?
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| 11:14 | <andresmujica> yeap sbalneav i'm using 4.2
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| 11:14 | planning to test ltsp5.0 in a few mnonths..
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| 11:19 | <sbalneav> yes, I beleive you'll have to recompile the lbe.
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| 11:19 | <Gadi> actually, I think all you need is the kernel kit, no?
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| 11:19 | for 4.2
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| 11:20 | <sbalneav> Don't you need to build the compiler tools first?
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| 11:20 | Can't remember: it's been a while since I've recompiled.
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| 11:20 | <Gadi> http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/DownLoads#ltsp_kernel_kit
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| 11:20 | <sbalneav> I suppose just try the kernel kit, and if it works, then ok
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| 11:20 | <Gadi> yeah, for me, too
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| 11:20 | <andresmujica> i've seen something about kernel kit
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| 11:20 | <Gadi> ;)
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| 11:20 | <andresmujica> ok
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| 11:20 | <ogra> dont you need to build the Xdriver as well ?
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| 11:20 | <Gadi> ah, prolly
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| 11:21 | <ogra> that would need more than the kernl kit i assume
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| 11:22 | <Gadi> ogra: you said putting the framebuffer in the initramfs cured your usplash woes, right?
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| 11:22 | (with the sisfb box)
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| 11:22 | <ogra> yeah
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| 11:22 | <Gadi> hmm... mine still locks up at the end
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| 11:22 | <ogra> but i only had that once and dint note down what i did
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| 11:22 | <Gadi> ah
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| 11:22 | <ogra> you need to supress the default framebuffer module by blacklisting it in the initramfs iirs
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| 11:22 | <Gadi> it happens after ltsp-client init script (or during)
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| 11:23 | <ogra> *iirc
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| 11:23 | <Gadi> yeah
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| 11:23 | tried that
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| 11:23 | do you remember how far the sisfb one got?
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| 11:23 | before it froze?
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| 11:24 | * Gadi tries to determine if it is the ltsp-client script or just a slow launching Xserver | |
| 11:25 | <ogra> it didnt freeze
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| 11:25 | <Gadi> ah, it just didnt display?
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| 11:25 | <ogra> it just worked
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| 11:26 | without sisfb i just dont have a splash
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| 11:26 | but it works fine otherwise
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| 11:26 | <Gadi> ah
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| 11:26 | different issue
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| 11:45 | <andresmujica> hmpf.. i'm compiling LBE and having issues building texinfo...
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| 11:45 | /usr/local/lbe/i386-linux-crosscomp/bin/gcc -O2 -march=i386 -static -o ginfo dir.o display.o dribble.o echo-are a.o filesys.o footnotes.o gc.o indices.o info-utils.o info.o infodoc.o infomap.o m-x.o man.o nodemenu.o nodes.o search.o session.o signals.o terminal.o tilde.o variables.o window.o doc.o key.o ../lib/libtxi.a terminal.o: In function `terminal_begin_using_terminal':
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| 11:48 | <gloin> hrm
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| 11:50 | <gloin> using ubuntu 6.10, splash comes up, it says "OK" to "Mounting root filesystem" and then the screen blacks out and nothing else happens. I've checked, - it's not outputting to serial. Device being booted is a NTA6020P terminal from devonit.com
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| 11:50 | I've set SCREEN_01=shell in lts.conf in hopes that'd stop happening, but no joy
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| 11:51 | what's supposed to happen after "mounting root filesystem" that doesn't?
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| 11:52 | and more to point, how do I debug what broke?
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| 11:52 | <Paul_UK> hey gadi, i understand you have scripts to use vnc and nx protocol?
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| 11:53 | <Gadi> Paul_UK: well, nx
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| 11:53 | <Gadi> vnc makes for a not-so-great terminal server solution (but can be done through NX if you really wanted to)
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| 11:53 | but, thats on LTSP 4.2
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| 11:54 | http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/WorkInProgress#NX
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| 12:41 | <Blinny> This new 1225 Term doesn't want to boot this morning. Other thin clients too. It says 'No IP Address' when looking for a dhcp lease, however on the server it receives the request and gives an ACK
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| 12:42 | ack
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| 12:42 | Other thin clients DO boot
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| 12:43 | Wait, well, the server receives a discover and sends an offer
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| 13:28 | <Blinny> Okay - Now i have discover, offer, request, and ack all occurring within the same second, but still no boot.
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| 13:44 | <gloin> grawlth
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| 13:46 | <sbalneav> Blinny: COuld be a network problem. Any other dhcp servers that might have crept onto that segment?
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| 13:51 | <gloin> sbalneav: any insight into what could be causing the problem I described above?
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| 13:52 | <Blinny> sbalneav: Not unless these social workers got a lot smarter
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| 13:52 | I'm gonna go concentrate on this. Thanks for the suggestions, all.
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| 13:53 | <sbalneav> gloin: Does it work with a different terminal?
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| 13:53 | <gloin> sbalneav: no way to know - that's what I have available to work withy
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| 13:53 | -y
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| 13:54 | <sbalneav> Don't have another box around that you could boot via pxe?
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| 13:54 | <gloin> one of the pieces I forgot to add was that we've got a Win2k DHCP server that manages our LAN
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| 13:54 | so I set the reservation up for that terminal, etc.
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| 13:54 | <sbalneav> That's a pretty big piece to forget.
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| 13:54 | <gloin> and there isn't a dhcp server running on the ltsp server
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| 13:55 | the last thing the client says before going black is "booting the kernel"
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| 13:55 | or loading
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| 13:56 | <sbalneav> I think, by default, it tries to use NFS from the same machine it got it's dhcp from
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| 13:56 | <Gadi> argh
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| 13:56 | <gloin> lots of luck with that
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| 13:57 | <sbalneav> so it's probably trying to get the root filesystem from W2K
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| 13:57 | <gloin> hmm
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| 13:57 | * Gadi tries to debug why usplash breaks this client | |
| 13:57 | <Gadi> with no success :(
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| 13:58 | <gloin> sbalneav: there's a param set in the DHCP reservation for "boot server host name" that's set to the ip address of the ltsp server
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| 13:59 | <sbalneav> gloin: I think that's irrelevant. I think the initramfs just makes some assumptions.
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| 13:59 | <gloin> Gadi: do you know if usplash provides anything other than a pretty face to the client? You could just disable it in rc
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| 13:59 | sbalneav: ah
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| 13:59 | so I need to, hrm
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| 13:59 | edit something and initrd
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| 14:00 | mkinitrd*
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| 14:00 | <Gadi> indeed it is just a pretty face
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| 14:00 | <sbalneav> Are these boxes ONLY going to be thin clients?
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| 14:00 | <Gadi> but, I would like to know why it cracks my mirror ;)
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| 14:00 | <gloin> sbalneav: yes. headless
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| 14:00 | <sbalneav> So, why not just stick in a seconds network card in the server, and hang the terminals off that?
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| 14:00 | run dhcpd on the second interface, boom, done.
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| 14:00 | <gloin> heh
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| 14:01 | because they're going to be deployed across three production facilities, the smallest of which is 145,000 square feet, in two different states.
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| 14:01 | and I don't want to dink around with setting up and maintaining a VLAN
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| 14:01 | just for that
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| 14:02 | <sbalneav> Well, you're either going to dink around with manually maintaining your own customized initramfs, or dink around creating a vlan.
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| 14:02 | So the question you need to ask yourself is, which is easier.
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| 14:02 | <Gadi> dink dink. dink dink dink dink dink
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| 14:03 | <gloin> initramfs
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| 14:03 | by a mile
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| 14:03 | <Gadi> dink dink. dink dink dink dink dink
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| 14:03 | sorry
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| 14:03 | * gloin beats Gadi around with a very large trout | |
| 14:04 | <vmlintu> sbalneav: Hi, I wrote on the ltsp-dev mailing list about the ltspfs mutex problem some time ago. Did that patch get included in some repository?
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| 14:04 | <sbalneav> vmlintu: Nope, I haven't had a chance to deal with it yet.
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| 14:04 | Thanks for the patch, tho'
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| 14:04 | It's on my "list of things to do" :)
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| 14:05 | which, as usual, gets bigger by the minute.
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| 14:05 | <vmlintu> sbalneav: ok, I was just wondering if I could get back to stock version or keep using my patched version..
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| 14:05 | <sbalneav> Good catch, though.
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| 14:05 | In all the testing I did, I guess I never actually had any bad media.
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| 14:05 | <vmlintu> It took a while to figure out why the servers were hanging randomly
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| 14:07 | You just need to go to a random elementary school with tons of old PCs and mountains of old floppies.. ;)
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| 14:07 | <gloin> heh
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| 14:07 | which is my previous experience with LTSP
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| 14:09 | <vmlintu> Well, I guess I should go find the next bug.. There's something wrong with the RFID authentication system we are using for LTSP terminals..
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| 14:10 | <sbalneav> ogra: you there, dudesky?
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| 14:12 | <Gadi> ah, so there's something you learn
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| 14:12 | always have a sreen_07
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| 14:12 | chvt 7 is hardcoded in ltsp-client
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| 14:12 | doh
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| 14:13 | now to unbreak things
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| 14:13 | <sbalneav> we need a "DEFAULT_SCREEN=" param
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| 14:13 | <Gadi> indeed
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| 14:13 | and a warning
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| 14:13 | :)
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| 14:14 | <gloin> that's interesting
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| 14:16 | <Gadi> ah, there's the bugger!
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| 14:21 | <gloin> ah, so
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| 14:22 | <gloin> sbalneav: /usr/share/initramfs-tools/scripts then?
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| 14:23 | <sbalneav> gloin: Probably. I'm going to freely admit that my knowledge of what goes on in the initramfs is hazy at best.
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| 14:23 | Most of the stuff I deal with is after the root's been mounted.
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| 14:25 | <Gadi> gloin, are you using linux for tftp?
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| 14:26 | you can pass the nfsroot kernel param
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| 14:26 | through your pxelinux.cfg
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| 14:26 | <gloin> Gadi: I was just wondering about that
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| 14:27 | <Gadi> something like: nfsroot=192.168.3.254:/opt/ltsp/i386
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| 14:27 | <gloin> ROOTSERVER="11.2.3.4" right?
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| 14:27 | <Gadi> THAT SORT OF THING
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| 14:27 | <gloin> oh
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| 14:27 | <Gadi> add it to the kernel command line
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| 14:27 | in pxelinux.cfg/default
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| 14:27 | <gloin> right
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| 14:28 | that'd be a boatload easier than editing the initramfs scripts
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| 14:28 | <Gadi> yeah, the mechanisms are all in there
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| 14:29 | <gloin> thankee
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| 14:29 | <Gadi> you could even hardocde IPs there for the thin clients rather than in dhcp if you like
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| 14:29 | tho, thatd be a bit odd
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| 14:29 | <gloin> eh, the dhcp server hands out reservations easily enough
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| 14:30 | <Gadi> indeed
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| 14:30 | <gloin> no need to break that level of normalization
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| 14:31 | argh
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| 14:32 | note to self: the typical bash shell isn't going to know what to do with as400 commands
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| 14:32 | <gloin> WRKOBJ, for example, is pretty consistently not found
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| 14:32 | too many shells, too many tasks
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| 14:40 | <Gadi> weird... seems "fgconsole" is whats killing me
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| 14:51 | <sbalneav> Hmm, well, ldm2 should now restart after a log out. I'll test it tonight.
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| 14:57 | Sigh, so much error handling to do.
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| 14:57 | Higher level scripting languages have spoiled me.
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| 14:58 | <Gadi> stupid fgconsole
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| 14:58 | stupid usplash
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| 14:59 | <sbalneav> Give into the temptation: all you have to do is edit /var/lib/tftpd/.../pxeconfig.0/default, and remove the "splash" directive. And alllll your troubles go away :)
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| 14:59 | <Gadi> talk about dusting under the rug
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| 15:00 | <sbalneav> I have hardwood floors :)
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| 15:00 | I dug into usplash once, and backed away carefully.
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| 15:00 | The whole system seems.... somewhat brittle.
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| 15:01 | <Gadi> its the ltsp-client init script that is breaking
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| 15:01 | so, I should be able to find out why
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| 15:03 | <Gadi> its totally fgconsole
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| 15:03 | weird
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| 15:04 | <sbalneav> What's fgconsole doing?
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| 15:04 | <Gadi> I think its erroring
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| 15:04 | causing the whol thing to croak
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| 15:05 | when I comment it out, all is well
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| 15:05 | all this stuff about not wanting to cause flicker blah blah
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| 15:09 | nope broken again
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| 15:10 | brittle is right
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| 15:31 | <lambda_> hi everybody
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| 15:32 | my ltsp installation come with a nice 2.6.18-4-486 kernel but I need to recompile it
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| 15:32 | I must taking sources on kernel.org ?
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| 15:33 | <vagrantc> lambda_: why do you need to recompile it?
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| 15:33 | <lambda_> IRQ conflict in /proc/interrupts :(
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| 15:34 | no interface can be launched
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| 15:34 | no X interface sorry
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| 15:34 | <sbalneav> Fix your hardware.
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| 15:34 | <lambda_> fixed with a 2.168.1 kernel
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| 15:34 | 2.6.18.1
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| 15:35 | <sbalneav> Which LTSP version are you using?
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| 15:35 | I'd say just turn off the interrrupt for the video card, myself.
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| 15:36 | <lambda_> 0.99 version
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| 15:36 | >I'd say just turn off the interrrupt for the video card, myself
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| 15:36 | my bios is bugged I need hard-coded a DSDT patch
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| 15:36 | <sbalneav> 0.99 version of ltsp?
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| 15:36 | <lambda_> yes
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| 15:36 | ltsp-server
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| 15:37 | <sbalneav> This is on what, Debian?
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| 15:37 | <lambda_> yes
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| 15:37 | <vagrantc> yeah, it's debian
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| 15:37 | <sbalneav> Well, you'd be doing a standard debian kernel build
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| 15:38 | <lambda_> no a vanilla one
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| 15:38 | <vagrantc> but there's never been a 0.99 version released in debian ... 0.99debian11 was released with etch
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| 15:38 | 0.99debian12 is in lenny/sid ...
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| 15:38 | 5.0.8debian1 is stuck in NEW ...
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| 15:38 | <lambda_> yes It is an etch-test version
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| 15:39 | <vagrantc> lambda_: it is debian-edu, you mean
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| 15:39 | lambda_: not plain debian
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| 15:39 | <lambda_> nothing can be hidden yes
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| 15:39 | <vagrantc> :P
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| 15:40 | lambda_: you could try installing one of the newer kernels off of backports.org
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| 15:40 | lambda_: that'd be easier than compiling a kernel from scratch
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| 15:41 | if it's fixed in 2.6.18.1 then 2.6.20+ ought to work, no?
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| 15:42 | <lambda_> vagrantc, I own 2.6.18.4.tar.gz vanilla kernel and this works well on targeted laptop but ...
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| 15:42 | <vagrantc> have fun.
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| 15:42 | <lambda_> ...compilation is indospensable in this case
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| 15:43 | what is fixed ? bios corruption ?
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| 15:43 | <lambda_> It's a very specific problem
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| 15:43 | <vagrantc> 22:32 < lambda_> fixed with a 2.168.1 kernel
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| 15:43 | 22:32 < lambda_> 2.6.18.1
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| 15:43 | <rjune__> oh good.
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| 15:43 | <vagrantc> you said it, not me.
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| 15:45 | <lambda_> vagrantc, Can I upload 2.6.18.1 fixed vmlinuz System.map initrd.img on /var/lib/tftpboot/i386/ ?
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| 15:45 | <vagrantc> lambda_: you can do whatever you please :P
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| 15:45 | <vagrantc> lambda_: would be better to install a packaged kernel into the chroot, though.
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| 15:46 | lambda_: so if you build a custom kernel, do it so that it produces a proper .deb
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| 15:48 | <lambda_> so I must chroot /opt/ltsp/i386
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| 15:48 | launch apt-get source linux-image
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| 15:48 | make-kpkg the new one
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| 15:48 | <vagrantc> sure, i guess.
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| 15:48 | <lambda_> and copying the files to /var/lib/tftpboot/i386/ ?
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| 15:49 | * lambda_ is not sure for the last step | |
| 15:49 | <vagrantc> well, then you can just run ltsp-update-kernels and it will handle the copying for you
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| 15:50 | <lambda_> ok
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| 15:51 | <vagrantc> ltsp-update-kernels is on the server
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| 15:51 | well, you'd also have to install the kernel created with make-kpkg
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| 15:52 | <lambda_> at present I test the fixed 2.6.18.1 laptop-side compiled
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| 15:53 | It appear the logs tell me 8139cp this is not an 8139+ compatible chip
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| 15:53 | try the 8139too driver instead
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| 15:54 | .
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| 15:56 | but It appears some options are missing in the .config :(
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| 16:44 | <racquad> Hi guys... I have a question about using VNC over X.
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| 16:46 | The situation is: once I had Windows runing on my computers, VNC was installed in order to be a "help-desk" software. Once the user had a problem with his machine, I went through VNC to help him and try to resolve the problem.
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| 16:47 | The problem now is: I have a Linux box runing LTSP and my diskless terminals connect to it. How can I open a VNC session to help the user, once he has a problem to solve
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| 16:48 | I tried to connect over ip.server:view_of_client, but it didn't work. I have gnome installed and user Vino to "open" the connection. To which IP address and view port I have to point my VNC client to connect to the screen of the X-terminal??
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| 17:47 | <DukGalNamu_work> exit
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| 17:47 | oops
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| 18:22 | <ibt> is there anything like an xdm chooser in the ltsp 5 setup?
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| 18:25 | <DukGalNamu_work> err... how does dvd playback work on terminals?
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| 18:25 | (is it possible?)
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| 18:51 | nobody here huh?
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| 20:12 | <kejava> sure this is getting asked a lot. are local devices now supported in LTSP 5? specifically thumb drives. got any good links for setting it up?
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| 20:25 | <ibt> kejava: ubuntu wiki had some stuff
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| 20:29 | <kejava> ibt, thanks. geesh, i should have looked there first. is this the link you're thinking of:
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| 20:29 | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EnableLTSP5LocalDevices
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| 20:39 | <ibt> looks right
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| 20:59 | <kejava> i get an error while installing ltspfsd due to ltsp-client. says "ltsp-client cannot be installed in a regular machine". strange, it's a dependency of ltspfsd.
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| 21:02 | oh, i see. i'm supposed to install ltspfsd in the client environment. hmm, how I do that? chroot?
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| 21:14 | bah, ltspfsd is already installed on the client. hmm, still doesn't work.
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| 21:23 | <kejava> jammcq, i'm having trouble setting up local device access on Ubuntu 7.04. I'm using this link as a reference:
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| 21:23 | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EnableLTSP5LocalDevices
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| 21:23 | doesn't seem to be working so far
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| 21:24 | are local devices still experimental?
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| 21:36 | <jammcq> yes
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| 21:37 | oops
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| 21:37 | he's gone
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| 21:37 | <mistik1> :(
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| 21:38 | jammcq: did you read this one http://www.linux.com/article.pl?sid=07/05/25/1536219
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| 21:38 | <jammcq> yep
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| 21:39 | pretty cool, eh?
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| 21:39 | <mistik1> more ltsp media, eh?
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| 21:39 | yea, its a great story
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| 21:40 | I really like the way he skirted the type of response the creatures that are school boards.
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| 22:31 | <sbalneav> Evening all
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| 22:31 | <jammcq> !s
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| 22:31 | <ltspbot> jammcq: "s" is Scotty!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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| 22:31 | <jammcq> sbalneav: hey
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| 22:31 | <sbalneav> Hey jammcq
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| 22:34 | <jammcq> sbalneav: guess who's sitting here with me
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| 22:34 | <sbalneav> Marlon?
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| 22:35 | <jammcq> nope
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| 22:35 | <sbalneav> Gadi?
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| 22:35 | <jammcq> nope
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| 22:35 | <sbalneav> Mark Shuttleworth?
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| 22:35 | <jammcq> your old buddy terpstra
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| 22:35 | pfff
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| 22:35 | shuttleworth, yeah right
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| 22:35 | <sbalneav> Where is ya?
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| 22:35 | <jammcq> at my house
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| 22:35 | he's here to talk at MUG tomorrow night
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| 22:36 | <sbalneav> Cool
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| 22:40 | Whoo hoo!
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| 22:40 | You can log out and log in again with ldm :)
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| 22:50 | Woohoo!
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| 22:50 | Local devices works too.
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| 22:50 | Need to set up the rest of the "standard" environment that the old ldm sets up.
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| 22:50 | <jammcq> what means sbalneav rocks ?
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| 22:52 | <sbalneav> :)
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| 22:52 | <monteslu> jammcq, you around?
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| 22:54 | <jammcq> monteslu: barely, what's up?
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| 22:54 | <monteslu> hate to bug you about this, but do you know where any documentation for 3dm2 is ? my googling has been fruitless
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| 22:55 | <jammcq> the 3-ware utility?
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| 22:55 | <monteslu> yeah, I remeber you use the cards
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| 22:55 | <jammcq> have you tried the 3ware site?
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| 22:55 | <monteslu> and I've got a drive clikcing :)
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| 22:55 | <jammcq> that's where i've found docs
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| 22:55 | <monteslu> yeah, it sucks
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| 22:56 | hmm.. I'll keep looking there
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| 22:57 | <jammcq> monteslu: so... you have a drive clicking. what do you want to do?
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| 22:57 | <monteslu> figure out which one its
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| 22:57 | <jammcq> ah
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| 22:57 | <monteslu> s/its/it is
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| 22:58 | just have a mirror, so should be easy , I think
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| 22:58 | I've got 3dm2 running, but I'm not brining up the web interface
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| 22:58 | <jammcq> oh, I use the cmdline interface
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| 22:59 | <monteslu> funny, that distros don't mind packaging the thing, but documenation is almost non existant
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| 22:59 | <jammcq> tw_cli
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| 23:00 | then type something like:
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| 23:00 | <monteslu> tw_cli ?
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| 23:00 | <jammcq> /c0 show
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| 23:00 | <monteslu> guess, I don't have it all installed
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| 23:00 | <jammcq> yeah, that's the 3-ware command line interface
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| 23:01 | I have a machine with a failed drive, here's what it shows:
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| 23:01 | <monteslu> does that talk to 3dm2?
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| 23:01 | <jammcq> Unit UnitType Status %Cmpl Stripe Size(GB) Cache AVerify IgnECC
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| 23:01 | ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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| 23:01 | u0 RAID-1 DEGRADED - - 233.761 ON - -
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| 23:01 | no, it talks to the controller directly
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| 23:01 | <monteslu> cool
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| 23:01 | <jammcq> it shows more, but I don't wanna paste it here
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| 23:02 | after typing 'tw_cli', us the '?' key to get help
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| 23:03 | <monteslu> strange "/0" didn't work
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| 23:03 | err /c0
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| 23:03 | <jammcq> no, /c0
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| 23:03 | you need: /c0 show
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| 23:03 | <monteslu> ooh, there is
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| 23:03 | thanks
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| 23:03 | looks like disk 2 degraged
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| 23:03 | degraded
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| 23:03 | <jammcq> see the driver that's failed?
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| 23:03 | s/driver/drive/
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| 23:04 | <monteslu> p1 DEGRADED u0 298.09 GB 625142448 WD-WCAMR4346129
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| 23:04 | <jammcq> yep
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| 23:04 | <monteslu> thing is less than a year old
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| 23:04 | shoot, 6 months old
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| 23:04 | <jammcq> I had a batch of bad drives. Had a couple of them fail in only a few weeks
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| 23:05 | but now, knock on wood, my big server has been very stable
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| 23:06 | <monteslu> do you rebuild your array from within the card's bios ?
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| 23:06 | <jammcq> I've only ever had to do that once. I pulled the old drive out, put the new drive in, and it did everything automatically
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| 23:06 | <monteslu> awesome
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| 23:06 | <jammcq> and that was while the machine was running :)
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| 23:07 | <monteslu> well, this is just my home server. I don't mind taking it down for repairs. Though the wife might complain about uptime :)
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| 23:07 | your once again a life saver, thanks much
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| 23:07 | <jammcq> you need a hot-swap cage, if you want to do it while it's running
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| 23:08 | no prob
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| 23:08 | have fun
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| 23:08 | through tw_cli, you can do a 'rescan' to check for a newly inserted drive, if it doesn't find it
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| 23:09 | <monteslu> cool
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| 23:09 | I really like these cards. I bought three of them already
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| 23:09 | <jammcq> and it looks like 'sched rebuild c0'
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| 23:09 | i've got 5 or 6 kicking around
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| 23:09 | "help sched" will show you more on how to rebuild or verify an array
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| 23:10 | err, 'sched' is only for the 9000 series
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| 23:10 | i've got a 9550 in one machine
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| 23:10 | but mostly I use the 8006-2
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| 23:10 | <monteslu> yeah, this is just a 7000 something. two drives in a pci slot
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| 23:11 | <jammcq> I think the 7000 series is ATA and the 8000 is SATA
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| 23:11 | <monteslu> sounds right.
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| 23:13 | jammcq, do you know if you always have to use the same size drive in the cards? What if I got a slightly bigger one for the one I'm replacing?
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| 23:14 | <jammcq> i'm pretty sure you can use a larger drive
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| 23:16 | <monteslu> cool. I'll just pick up something comparable at the store tomorrow So I don't have to order the exact same drive online
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| 23:17 | <jammcq> have fun. I'm heading to bed
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| 23:17 | <monteslu> thanks again,dude
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