IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.libera.chat (webchat)
Channel log from 6 October 2014 (all times are UTC)
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| 04:00 | * alkisg waits for the LTSP hackfest opening ceremony... | |
| 04:02 | * vagrantc too | |
| 04:04 | <alkisg> vagrantc: remind me, did you finally agree about changing our "bypass-configure networking" code to an "ipconfig wrapper script, generated at init-top"?
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| 04:04 | * alkisg would like to remove all our "wait for udev" hacks... | |
| 04:07 | <vagrantc> alkisg: my recollections of that are vague at best
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| 04:07 | <alkisg> (btw, ltsploop should source init functions, it's using "panic"...)
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| 04:08 | <vagrantc> ltsploop should probably be more generalized... it was a quick proof of concept
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| 04:09 | <alkisg> The idea was that it's difficult to wait for udev in order to correctly initialize the NICs. So we can just let ipconfig do its job and redirect any bugs there,
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| 04:09 | ...we only needed "pre-ipconfig" and a "post-ipconfig" hooks, in order to fill-in ROOTSERVER etc
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| 04:09 | So, in local-top/ltsp-ipconfig-wrapper, we could mv /bin/ipconfig to /bin/ipconfig.real, and create a shell wrapper at /bin/ipconfig
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| 04:10 | ...which would provide us the hooks we need, while also calling ipconfig in the middle
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| 04:10 | Of course that would only get in effect when init=init-ltsp
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| 04:11 | <vagrantc> i think i hesitantly gave in on that one... :)
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| 04:11 | <alkisg> I think so too, but I keep wondering why you're hesitant... :)
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| 04:11 | I think it's much cleaner than our dozens of commits about "fix bring up nics" :)
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| 04:12 | <vagrantc> i'd rather improve the initramfs-tools function to have a pre and post hook option
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| 04:12 | alkisg: yes, i think it's better than what we've been doing, that's for sure.
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| 04:12 | <alkisg> We can ask maks about that, and then just remove the wrapper
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| 04:12 | Ah ok, so you wouldn't mind if I committed something in that direction, nice
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| 04:12 | <vagrantc> right
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| 04:13 | though i'd ask that you also open a bug report against initramfs-tools and/or whatever ships ipconfig
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| 04:13 | klibc-utils
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| 04:13 | <alkisg> We shouldn't target ipconfig/klibc, but initramfs
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| 04:13 | We want a wrapper for "configure_networking" actually
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| 04:13 | <vagrantc> right
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| 04:14 | i was thinking just a few hooks in configure_networking shouldn't be too hard
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| 04:14 | but i'm not sure there's a way to override functions...
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| 04:14 | <alkisg> I couldn't find any
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| 04:15 | <vagrantc> so, barring getting ipconfig conf.d support or something, patching initramfs-tools to support the hooks would be my preferred way
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| 04:15 | <alkisg> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/1203583/how-do-i-rename-a-bash-function
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| 04:15 | <vagrantc> patching initramfs-tools configure_networking
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| 04:16 | <alkisg> That function overriding method seems much more hackier than wrapping ipconfig, imho...
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| 04:16 | <vagrantc> agreed
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| 04:17 | which is why i think we should patch configure_networking
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| 04:17 | <alkisg> You mean send the patch upstream, right?
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| 04:17 | <vagrantc> yes
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| 04:30 | looks like there have been a lot of changes in initramfs-tools recently... will need to test ltsp with it...
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| 07:48 | <ELias_> test
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| 07:50 | Help για μυνημα NOthing to boot no such directory DISK BOOT FAILURE INSERT..
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| 07:53 | To αξιοσημειωτο είναι ότι με τις ιδιες ρυθμίσεις σύνδεσεις, οι clients μπουταρουν απο laptop με ltsp, ενώ απο τον server του εργαστηριου
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| 07:53 | βγαζει DISK BOOT FAILURE
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| 08:40 | <alkisg> !greek
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| 08:40 | <ltsp`> greek: Στο παρόν κανάλι μιλάνε μόνο Αγγλικά, για υποστήριξη στα Ελληνικά από την υπηρεσία Τεχνικής Στήριξης ΣΕΠΕΗΥ διαβάστε το http://ts.sch.gr/wiki/IRC και στη συνέχεια πληκτρολογήστε /j #ts.sch.gr
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| 08:51 | <alkisg> !alkisg-todo
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| 08:51 | <ltsp`> Error: "alkisg-todo" is not a valid command.
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| 08:51 | <alkisg> !alkisg_todo
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| 08:51 | <ltsp`> Error: "alkisg_todo" is not a valid command.
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| 08:52 | <alkisg> !todo
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| 08:52 | <ltsp`> I do not know about 'todo', but I do know about these similar topics: 'bts-todo', 'bennabiy_todo', 'todo-jammcq-sbalneav'
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| 08:52 | <alkisg> !bts-todo
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| 08:52 | <ltsp`> bts-todo: Get rid of cdpinger, use udev rules instead
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| 08:52 | <alkisg> !forget bts-todo
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| 08:52 | <ltsp`> The operation succeeded.
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| 08:52 | <alkisg> !todo-jammcq-sbalneav
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| 08:52 | <ltsp`> todo-jammcq-sbalneav: (#1) change the IRC topic, or better yet add an IRC op, or (#2) delete or close http://sourceforge.net/p/ltsp/mailman/ltsp-beginners/ http://sourceforge.net/p/ltsp/mailman/ltsp-announce/ http://sourceforge.net/p/ltsp/mailman/ltsp-translations/
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| 08:52 | <alkisg> !forget #todo-jammcq-sbalneav #1
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| 08:52 | <ltsp`> Error: There is no such factoid.
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| 08:52 | <alkisg> !forget todo-jammcq-sbalneav #1
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| 08:52 | <ltsp`> Error: There is no such factoid.
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| 08:52 | <alkisg> !forget todo-jammcq-sbalneav 1
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| 08:52 | <ltsp`> The operation succeeded.
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| 08:53 | <alkisg> !bennabiy_todo
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| 08:53 | <ltsp`> bennabiy_todo: (#1) Finish patching LinuxMint code to detect NON mint chroot build requests on mint, and to build a mint chroot on non mint server., or (#2) Fix Mint 17 support - create package removal hook and update script
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| 13:51 | <bennabiy> alkisg: cleaning up the todo lists?
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| 13:53 | <sbalneav> Morning all
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| 13:53 | <bennabiy> morning sbalneav
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| 13:54 | <sbalneav> Hello bennabiy
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| 14:02 | <bennabiy> How is the ltsp6 coding session?
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| 14:03 | <sbalneav> hasn't started yet :D
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| 14:03 | <bennabiy> I wish I could participate, but I am in the middle of getting ready to move tomorrow
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| 14:03 | I might be able to do a little something in a couple days
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| 14:44 | * bennabiy waves to all | |
| 14:44 | <bennabiy> I will be back after the move tomorrow.
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| 15:55 | <vagrantc> sbalneav: vrooom vroom! ping!
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| 15:56 | <sbalneav> vagrantc: Hey hey
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| 15:56 | I'm just building a fat client chroot now
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| 15:56 | So it's the fat client stuff we're having problems with on libpam-sshauth?
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| 15:57 | <vagrantc> i honestly don't remember ... it's been over a year since i last worked on it, i think...
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| 15:57 | or maybe half a year
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| 15:58 | i think fat client should actually be easier
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| 15:58 | <sbalneav> I know with thin clients the problem is no localdevice support.
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| 15:59 | I also seemed to be getting some problems with libsshauth working correctly under wheezy with 32 bit client images and 64 bit servers.
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| 16:00 | <vagrantc> hrm.
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| 16:00 | <sbalneav> Do you have an ltsp chroot built for libpam-sshauth handy?
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| 16:00 | Or should we spend today getting things set up to the point where we can do serious work tomorrow?
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| 16:01 | <vagrantc> not yet, but it shouldn't take long to get rolling
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| 16:02 | also need to test that initramfs-tools in sid doesn't break anything... this could be a good deal of yak shaving
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| 16:03 | <sbalneav> When is jessie scheduled to go live? Is that your primary focus at this point... jessie?
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| 16:03 | i.e. should I set up a jessie server?
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| 16:03 | instead of wheezy
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| 16:03 | <vagrantc> jessie freezes on november 5th
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| 16:04 | <sbalneav> Do you want me on jessie?
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| 16:04 | <vagrantc> and migration takes 10 days, so any fixes we need should get uploaded no later than october 25th.
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| 16:04 | yeah, i'll be focusing on jessie
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| 16:05 | it would be good to also test on wheezy, but i'd rather make sure it gets working on jessie and then work out what's needed to backport later
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| 16:05 | <sbalneav> ok, then give me a couple of hours, i'll get a jessie server up and going. There's no point in me fighting with wheezy if you're focusing on jessie.
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| 16:05 | I'll get that going.
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| 16:06 | downloading jessie beta 2 installer iso now.
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| 16:08 | <vagrantc> oh yeah, that needs testers :)
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| 16:10 | dunno when this happened, but apparently all my virtualization stuff got uninstalled... meh.
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| 16:14 | sbalneav: what times were you planning on working on this stuff?
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| 16:14 | sbalneav: my schedules fairly open, although evenings are spoken for
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| 16:16 | * vagrantc digs up http://wiki.ltsp.org/wiki/Dev:LTSPPamNotes | |
| 16:20 | <sbalneav> vagrantc: Basically, all this week during the day
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| 16:20 | Unless called away for short periods by #payingjob :D
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| 16:20 | <vagrantc> sbalneav: ok, sounds good. i've got a meeting in a few hours, but otherwise generally free during the day
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| 16:21 | sbalneav: so, last november i apparently added some code to support localapps when running as the user... which i think was for the libpam-sshauth usecase
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| 16:23 | <sbalneav> Sounds right.
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| 16:24 | <vagrantc> gadi and i gave it a go at the LTSP BTS
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| 16:24 | we also apparently killed off xatomwait :)
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| 16:25 | <sbalneav> starting the jessie install...
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| 16:31 | <vagrantc> i seem to recall now there being problems with groups
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| 16:32 | libnss-extrausers didn't allow us to add groups or something
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| 16:39 | sbalneav: i'd really recommend a caching proxy
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| 16:39 | sbalneav: squid-deb-proxy, approx, maybe apt-cacher-ng
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| 16:40 | <sbalneav> vagrantc: OK, once I get it up and going, I'll get a chroot up.
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| 16:55 | bbiab lunch
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| 16:59 | <vagrantc> sbalneav: i'll need to at least partially disappear for a couple hours around noon PDT
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| 17:00 | sbalneav: i've got my ltsp environment upgraded for the moment
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| 17:08 | <muppis> koneworks, !win-loader
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| 17:08 | !win-loader
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| 17:08 | <ltsp`> I do not know about 'win-loader', but I do know about these similar topics: 'win32-loader', 'win98-loader'
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| 17:09 | <muppis> !win32-loader
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| 17:09 | <ltsp`> win32-loader: win32-loader.exe adds a "PXE - Network boot" option to the Windows boot manager. It's developed for Debian and it uses http://ipxe.org for the network booting. Download it from http://ftp.debian.org/debian/tools/win32-loader/stable. More info at http://goo.gl/FPD7Zv
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| 20:08 | <Ark74> hi!
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| 20:10 | can i set timers on epoptes messages?
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| 20:11 | let's say i have a classrom that has 2 hours class, so i can pre-set the 2 hour mark to send a "End of Class" message
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| 20:13 | BTW, is there an epoptes channel?
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| 21:13 | <Mip5> Hi Folks - I want to have my clients auto shutdown at the end of the day. Is this link still valid for 12.04? https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/AutomatedTCShutodwn?
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| 21:34 | <vagrantc> sbalneav: how goes the install?
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| 21:47 | <Mip5> Gotta run - I'll check back tomorrow. Thanks gang!
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