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Channel log from 19 May 2017 (all times are UTC)
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| 05:18 | <alkisg> So far it looks good, launchpad pushed the latest translations on https://code.launchpad.net/~ltsp-upstream/ltsp/ltsp-translations
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| 06:07 | <quinox> Nice to see the move to git!
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| 08:10 | <bcg> I think I finally solved my original bzr hanging -problem: launchpad.net hangs if I offer ed25519 ssh key on handshake.
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| 08:10 | Same hanging happens with git.
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| 08:11 | So I have force rsa key on ~/.ssh/config file.
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| 08:13 | <alkisg> If the issue persists, you could ask in #launchpad
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| 08:13 | <bcg> No, I just force rsa key and it works.
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| 08:31 | How do I push my repo to launchpad? Should I use url git+ssh://git.launchpad.net/~MYUSER/ltsp/+git/ltsp-rhel7 ?
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| 08:38 | <alkisg> bcg: yes, sounds correct
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| 14:48 | eu^dyndsl-089-16 is now known as question1000 | |
| 14:48 | <question1000> hi
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| 14:54 | alkisg: I'm preparing 2 VMs with epoptes right now.
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| 14:55 | so maybe it's finally possible to find the problem...
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| 15:06 | <alkisg> question1000: to be honest, I won't hold my breath to finally be able to help you with remote support after 1 month :D
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| 15:06 | It'll be good if you make it, though
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| 15:06 | <question1000> alkisg: the clients are online now ...
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| 15:07 | :P as I told you: the clients are offline in the afternoon
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| 15:07 | <alkisg> Me too, I'm mostly online in the morning
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| 15:07 | <question1000> but now I've got one master and one client ...
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| 15:07 | <alkisg> Yet you keep coming in the afternoon :)
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| 15:07 | <question1000> have to work in the morning ... no time for IT :)
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| 15:07 | <alkisg> Anyways, hope you get it working
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| 15:20 | <question1000> sounds as if you won't help me any more?
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| 15:21 | <alkisg> Sure, when I've free time I'll still help you
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| 15:21 | Currently I'm busy though
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| 15:21 | Maybe monday morning...
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| 15:22 | <question1000> now I can switch on/off everything from here ... n.p.
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| 15:23 | I double-checked it ... the VMs are working ... and epoptes is running .... I hope we'll find the problem on monday
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| 15:32 | cu then
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| 16:24 | <TheProf> alkisg: Hello. I have set up the Virtual box as you recommended and then I downloaded a Free virtualbox to test is (FreeDos) and I am able to run it no problem. I followed the steps found here: https://www.thefanclub.co.za/how-to/how-create-virtualbox-ubuntu-ltsp-thin-client
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| 16:24 | for booting up a thin client but virtual box doesn't run but instead gives the error: VT-x is disabled in the BIOS for all CPU modes (VERR_VMX_MSR_ALL_VMX_DISABLED).
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| 16:25 | <alkisg> google on how to enable vt-x on bios
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| 16:25 | You press del when the pc boots and you go to the bios options and you enable virtualization there
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| 16:25 | <TheProf> That's what I was afraid of :) I thought the Dos image working meant I didn't have to do that.
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| 16:26 | I had to go to work so I am not at the school now.
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| 17:13 | <alkisg> TheProf: ah now I remember, you were trying to boot a client remotely because you weren't there, and kvm asked for vt-x, and i told you to use vbox because it also works without vt-x
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| 17:14 | So yeah if you go to the vm settings, you should be able to run it a bit slower, but even without vt-x
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| 17:14 | <TheProf> Right.
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| 17:14 | OK. Checking for the setting now
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| 17:15 | I thought when I was able to get the FreeDox image working correctly, it would be smooth sailing
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| 17:19 | alkisg: I have gone through the settings I can find but I am not seeing a difference - they still give me the error that VT-x is disabled.
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| 17:28 | <alkisg> TheProf: do a vnc
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| 17:28 | !vnc-dide
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| 17:28 | <ltsp> vnc-dide: To share your screen with me, run this: sudo apt-get --yes install x11vnc; x11vnc -connect srv1-dide.ioa.sch.gr - this is a reverse connection, it doesn't need port forwarding etc.
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| 17:29 | <TheProf> I feel as those this server has been personally offended by me and won't cooperate. :) Under the system settings, under acceleration tab, there is a checkbox to enable VT-x. If I uncheck it, it will not save the settings as they are invalid
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| 17:29 | OK I will do that now.
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| 17:31 | alkisg: I'm still connected via x2go
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| 17:32 | alkisg: Also you're going to find /opt/ltsp/amd64 is being moved to another location now as I was backing it up before trying to rebuild a client
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| 17:34 | <alkisg> You have a 64bit chroot
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| 17:34 | <TheProf> alkisg: yes
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| 17:34 | <alkisg> 64bit VMs require VT-x
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| 17:34 | <TheProf> Ah.
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| 17:34 | <alkisg> So you can't run it with vbox either
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| 17:34 | What was the initial issue?
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| 17:34 | Can't login?
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| 17:35 | <TheProf> Users cannot log in on the client, but they can log in at the console
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| 17:35 | This included newly created users
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| 17:35 | Should I create a 32 bit client as a test?
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| 17:37 | <alkisg> TheProf: which user have you tried with?
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| 17:39 | TheProf: see the issue?
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| 17:39 | Missing primary group for that user
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| 17:40 | And actually, missing all primary groups in /home
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| 17:40 | Your user accounts are all messed up
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| 17:40 | See jbishay, that one is correct
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| 17:40 | <TheProf> Because I created them again yesterday. When I first encountered the issue I had the names all correct for groups.
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| 17:40 | <alkisg> It's the only one that says jbishay/jbishay
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| 17:41 | <TheProf> What about for newly created users?
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| 17:41 | <alkisg> How do you create the users?
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| 17:42 | <TheProf> exported from webmin on the current working server, imported using webmin into this one. Hashed passwords
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| 17:42 | <alkisg> The new users
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| 17:42 | How do you create a new user?
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| 17:42 | <TheProf> same - webmin to create.
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| 17:43 | <alkisg> OK, then it's possible that webmin is pretty broken and can't create users properly :)
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| 17:43 | There's a reason it's been removed from ubuntu...
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| 17:43 | <TheProf> Ah.
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| 17:43 | <alkisg> Let's add a test user
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| 17:43 | <TheProf> It was very useful for allowing another teacher to create users without needing them to open a terminal as I could limit permissions
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| 17:44 | <alkisg> OK try with that user tomorrow
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| 17:45 | <TheProf> Alright.
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| 17:45 | <alkisg> And, do fix your users, they are all horribly wrong
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| 17:45 | <TheProf> Yes normally I run a script that fixes all the permissions.
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| 17:45 | <alkisg> The users don't have group
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| 17:45 | <TheProf> This would be the 4th server migration but the first one that ever failed
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| 17:45 | <alkisg> *groups
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| 17:45 | <TheProf> Yes it adds the correct group, permissions, etc
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| 17:45 | <alkisg> It's not just a matter of permissions
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| 17:45 | There's essential information missing; you need to create a different group per user
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| 17:46 | <TheProf> Sorry I meant it would read the username, create the group with the same name and assign it as their primary group
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| 17:46 | <alkisg> Cool
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| 17:46 | <TheProf> Webmin was very useful at the start of each term as I could automatically batch create students with one button
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| 17:47 | <alkisg> We have sch-scripts for that... it'll be internationalized under the name "ltsp-manager"
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| 17:48 | Of course, something other than webmin can be broken
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| 17:48 | In any case, to test, you need vt-x or a real client
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| 17:48 | <TheProf> That will be interesting to see. We did it with a spreadsheet. column 1 first name column 2 last name. A simple text formula would generate a line in column 3 that would generate the username based on their name, assign password, create all the groups, etc. You just copy-paste it in
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| 17:49 | The office would email the list of names, paste it into column and generate the accounts in under 2 minutes for any number of students at once.
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| 17:49 | <alkisg> We have different dialogs for mass creation, .csv import, passwd import etc
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| 17:49 | <TheProf> I will test it with a real client.
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| 17:49 | yes csv import sounds great!
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| 17:49 | <alkisg> Nah, the others are better :)
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| 17:49 | And we also have student signup
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| 17:49 | <TheProf> Sounds like a nightmare for grade 4 :)
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| 17:49 | <alkisg> .csv import also has autodetection and autocorrection of issues
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| 17:50 | for grades 1-6, we use generic account names, e.g. a1-01
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| 17:50 | Each user has a different account of course
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| 17:50 | They're created with the mass user creation dialog
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| 17:51 | And it autoassigns them to groups, and creates shared folders for each group=class
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| 17:51 | <TheProf> That is excellent. I appreciate the effort going into LTSP - we have been using it continuously since 2003 and it just works perfectly. Thank you.
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| 17:51 | <alkisg> TheProf: what's your native language? english?
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| 17:51 | <TheProf> Yes.
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| 17:51 | <alkisg> You might be able to review the english dialogs, after we translate them from greek to english
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| 17:51 | <TheProf> Certainly I can.
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| 17:51 | <alkisg> nice! bb in 20'...
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| 17:52 | <TheProf> alkisg: Thanks.
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| 17:52 | <elias_a> Oh - how I love this kind of discussion. :)
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| 17:52 | TheProf: Thank you already now.
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| 17:54 | <TheProf> elias_a: Well, I'd say hold with the thanks until I actually do anything :)
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| 18:00 | <elias_a> TheProf: I already succeeded in provoking you. :)
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| 18:01 | <TheProf> True, but without a working server I am going to be rather useless. Hopefully I can get this resolved soon.
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