IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.libera.chat (webchat)
Channel log from 24 April 2011 (all times are UTC)
| 00:02 | <alkisg> A gigabit NIC also helps sometimes
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| 00:07 | <ball> 64 Megabytes?
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| 00:07 | <alkisg> Yes
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| 00:07 | That's the bare minimum for ltsp clients
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| 00:08 | (ubuntu and debian at least, I think opensuse need 128)
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| 00:10 | <ball> That I could do, even if I used one of the mITX boards I have laying around, they have 1 Gbyte RAM
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| 00:11 | ...and I'm tempted to just buy an Asus EeeBox or something
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| 00:13 | Looks like US$ 200 to 300 for the terminal and another $120 for a monitor
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| 00:13 | ...that would about do it.
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| 00:18 | Mrs. ball thinks that our child process needs a computer in the living room. I'm okay with that provided I can use it when she's not.
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| 00:19 | ...and I've made an executive decision that it's going to run Linux
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| 00:19 | (or run something that gives her access to a Linux desktop that's running elsewhere in the house)
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| 00:20 | A basic nettop could run Linux locally, but that's yet another machine to manage.
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| 00:21 | <alkisg> I imagine for a kid you'll need some localapps though
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| 00:21 | So you'll be maintaining a chroot for it...
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| 00:21 | (or a fat chroot instead of localapps)
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| 00:21 | <ball> Are video and Flash not practical without localapps?
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| 00:22 | <alkisg> E.g. youtube is OK, but not fullscreen
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| 00:22 | For full screen youtube videos you need localapps
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| 00:23 | Also some games or edu apps require 3D ==> again localapps/fat
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| 00:33 | <ball> Is that because ltsp doesn't support AIGLX?
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| 00:33 | ...or just lack of horsepower in the nettop?
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| 00:34 | <alkisg> Because glx is slow over the network :)
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| 00:34 | <ball> Okay. I doubt she'll be doing much (any?) 3D stuff anyway.
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| 00:35 | I'll have to drill some holes in the wall for gigabit Ethernet
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| 00:36 | <alkisg> Gigabit for a single client will only help a bit
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| 00:36 | You might want to try it with 100mbps before doing holes
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| 00:37 | <ball> alkisg: I'd have to drill holes for 100M too.
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| 00:37 | <alkisg> Ah, ok then :)
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| 00:38 | <ball> I'll have to buy a reel of plenum-rated Cat 5e.
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| 00:38 | ...and some jacks.
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| 00:39 | alkisg: Thanks for your help.
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| 00:39 | <alkisg> np
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| 00:41 | <ball> It's 02:42 here, so I'm off to bed.
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| 00:41 | I'll probably be back later today.
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| 00:42 | <alkisg> Good night
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| 00:44 | <ball> Thanks, you too.
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| 00:50 | <fosser_josh> i just visited this website http://www.edubuntu.org/weblive and tried ubuntu thanks to stgraber. I wanted to how to setup these thing in LAN. As i wanted to setup in my college LAN so that other people who all are not using ubuntu will try it and hopefully will shift to GNU/Linux
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| 01:04 | <alkisg> fosser_josh: you want to setup edubuntu weblive? Or just plain edubuntu, and give people access to it over LAN?
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| 01:05 | <fosser_josh> alkisg: i want to setup like weblive so that people can log in and access desktop and try it
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| 01:05 | <Appiah> so you want your own weblive server
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| 01:06 | <alkisg> On LAN, you also have other options, like nx and LTSP, that's why I'm asking
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| 01:06 | <Appiah> well I for one never heard of weblive until now
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| 01:06 | * Appiah reads up | |
| 01:06 | <alkisg> Also, for edubuntu-specific questions that have nothing to do with LTSP, the appropriate channel is #edubuntu... :)
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| 01:11 | <fosser_josh> its nt edubuntu specific. see my main motto is to setup ubuntu on one server and those who are in lan can get access irrespective of which platform they are using. they can access in web browser like the one on shared link.
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| 01:12 | alkisg: i also asked same question on ubuntu irc but no reply
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| 01:13 | <alkisg> fosser_josh: I said #edubuntu, not #ubuntu
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| 01:13 | Also, it has nothing to do with LTSP. It's a web service.
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| 01:13 | Join #edubuntu and ask there.
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| 01:13 | You can also continue asking here about the equivalent LTSP solution
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| 01:14 | <fosser_josh> alkisg: can i do same with ltsp
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| 01:14 | <alkisg> Yes, you can give remote desktops with LTSP
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| 01:14 | And they're also faster than the java/nx solution of edubuntu weblive
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| 01:15 | <fosser_josh> alkisg: what is server hardware requriement for that
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| 01:15 | <alkisg> It depends on what you want, all 3 solutions (LTSP, plain nx, nx with java) give about the same result, with some differences
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| 01:15 | How many clients simultaneously?
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| 01:17 | <fosser_josh> alkisg: see my main motto is ppl can try GNU/Linux distro without installing on their exsting system. so that they can decided weather to install that distro or not on their system. coz i think this is better option than live cd
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| 01:17 | <alkisg> fosser_josh: yes, I understand. All 3 solutions do that.
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| 01:17 | Now if you want look at the details, to see which fits you better.
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| 01:18 | E.g. LTSP or plain nx will give people the ability to save their settings and have their documents there
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| 01:18 | While weblive erases their data after logoff
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| 01:18 | LTSP will need clients to boot over the network. That requires at least 100 mbps lan
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| 01:18 | NX will need a program installation, e.g. inside windows
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| 01:18 | weblive will need java installation, if it doesn't exist already
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| 01:19 | Read about them, see what suits you better, and then go on and implement it
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| 01:19 | <fosser_josh> alkisg: first tell me what is h/w requriemnt
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| 01:19 | <alkisg> But for weblive the correct channel to ask is, again #edubuntu
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| 01:19 | I already answered that one.
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| 01:19 | <fosser_josh> k
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| 01:19 | <alkisg> (11:15:31 AM) alkisg: How many clients simultaneously?
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| 01:19 | And you can also find the answer in the ltsp docs
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| 01:20 | <fosser_josh> alkisg: max 8-10 clients
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| 01:20 | <alkisg> Any modern pc will do. E.g. a core 2 duo with 2 gb ram
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| 01:20 | Gigabit on the server preferred, for best results
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| 01:21 | <fosser_josh> alkisg: and wat about hdd is there any specific need
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| 01:21 | <alkisg> No
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| 01:22 | <fosser_josh> alkisg: so only in weblive i can test distro on running system?
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| 01:22 | <alkisg> No
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| 01:22 | You can do that with plain nx too
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| 01:22 | <alkisg> I.e. download the freeware nx client for windows, from the nomachine site
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| 01:23 | weblive is based on nx too, but uses a java client instead of an .exe client
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| 01:24 | <fosser_josh> alkisg: so which one is better weblive or nx
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| 01:24 | <alkisg> This is not LTSP related, this is not a question for this channel.
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| 01:24 | Both are about the same though, as both use nx
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| 01:25 | The question is if you want people to install java or run an .exe,
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| 01:25 | and if you want them to be able to save their settings or not
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| 01:26 | <fosser_josh> install java and it jst testing so no data saving and settings and all, jst for testing purpose
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| 01:26 | <alkisg> Then weblive suits you better. Ask the rest in #edubuntu.
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| 01:26 | <fosser_josh> alkisg: k thank you so much
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| 01:26 | <alkisg> You're welcome
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| 03:45 | <khussein78> is GNOME package needed to run ltsp on ubuntu server ?
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| 04:10 | <knipwim> not on gentoo
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| 04:10 | you could check the ubuntu dependencies on the ltsp package page
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| 04:11 | <NeonLicht> Not in Debian either. It'd be silly if it was, don't you think?
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| 04:27 | <khussein78> i can start ltsp client but after enter username and password it goes to shell not GUI
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| 04:39 | <khussein78> also i see this in syslog (in.tftpd[19779]: tftp: client does not accept options) ?
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| 05:39 | <alkisg> khussein78: no, gnome isn't needed, but you do need a desktop environment on the server. Ignore the warning about "client does not accept options".
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| 05:53 | <khussein78> alkisg, so i need to install ubuntu-desktop right ?
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| 10:37 | <alkisg> vagrantc: there's an LTSP-specific patch in gnome-screensaver in lucid (don't know who put it there, maybe ogra). It checks if LTSP_CLIENT is present, and if so, it only allows the "blank" screensaver.
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| 10:53 | <vagrantc> alkisg: yeah, but i needed to disable locking too
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| 10:53 | <alkisg> Ah, ok.
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| 10:54 | <vagrantc> some passwordless guest accounts ... doesn't work too well when the screen locks
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| 10:54 | <alkisg> I think it autodetects passwordsless accounts and refuses to lock there
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| 10:54 | <vagrantc> didn't work for me
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| 10:55 | <stgraber> alkisg: I can confirm it doesn't check for passwordless account. With ltsp-cluster our guest accounts don't have password, instead we use ssh public key auth and I could lock the screen without any issue (and obviously, never unlock it ...)
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| 10:57 | <alkisg> Hmm can't remember exactly what I saw, but it was something related to that, I saw it on fat clients where the users don't have a password on /etc/shadow...
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| 10:58 | <alkisg> One thing I do remember was that it didn't ask for password for some policykit related stuff
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| 22:10 | <viks> how to boot client with ltsp and local hardisk detection
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| 22:32 | <dyllan> hi all
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| 22:33 | I am having a problem with one of my thin clients, getting the ldm screen to show up, it PXE boots but then the screen stays blank. I am using this piece of hardware: http://www.devonit.com/_wp//wp-content/uploads/2010/10/TC5D-Dell.pdf
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| 22:34 | The only main difference between the thin client hardware that works and the one copied above that does not work is that non-working one had 2x DVI ports, do you think ltsp is getting confused about the dual DVI ports and therefore not able to bring up the ldm?
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| 22:35 | The thin client hardware that IS working: http://www.devonit.com/_wp//wp-content/uploads/2010/07/DIT_TC5Xc_SSheet-email.pdf
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| 22:36 | As you will see they both have the same Atom processor, memory and Graphics card.
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