IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.libera.chat (webchat)
Channel log from 13 June 2007 (all times are UTC)
| 00:00 | <Jasonrsmith> hi sahil...I was hoping someone who is experience with ltsp might be able to help me out
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| 00:00 | have you been using it long?
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| 00:00 | <sahil> Jasonrsmith: that's most likely not me/ i have been using it for a bit though
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| 00:00 | <sbalneav> What's your question Jasonrsmith?
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| 00:01 | <Jasonrsmith> I am trying to set up an LTSP system for my public library... everything is working fine but I am having a tough time with user profiles
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| 00:01 | I was wondering how others have handled this problem
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| 00:02 | <sbalneav> Depends. User profiles aren't really an LTSP problem
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| 00:02 | <Jasonrsmith> I am running edubuntu 7.04 with the bultin LTSP package..
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| 00:02 | sbalneav, I understand that... I was just wondering how you handled that issue
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| 00:03 | <sbalneav> You'd want to use a combination of Sabayon, Pesselus, and manually locking down gconf entries.
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| 00:03 | <Jasonrsmith> I have tried using sabayon and pessulus, but they don't seem to have any effect on my users
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| 00:03 | <sbalneav> Take a look at the gnome desktop administrators guide, available at the gnome.org site.
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| 00:04 | <whiprush> http://www.gnome.org/learn/admin-guide/latest/
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| 00:04 | is what you want
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| 00:04 | <sbalneav> You probably haven't marked things as "mandatory".
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| 00:04 | there you go.
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| 00:04 | hey, whiprush
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| 00:04 | <sahil> sbalneav: i talked with jammcq a bit about this but ive been having a lot of trouble getting my ebox 2300s to do x so theres not a very long draw time
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| 00:04 | <whiprush> you probably need to tell your ltsp server to use the profiles you made.
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| 00:04 | hi sbalneav!
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| 00:05 | <sahil> is there a way for me to load the sis drm and sis video drivers since they both have the same name?
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| 00:05 | <whiprush> Jasonrsmith: http://www.gnome.org/projects/sabayon/
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| 00:06 | <sahil> /opt/ltsp-4.2/i386/lib/modules/2.6.17.8-ltsp-1/kernel/drivers/video/sis /opt/ltsp-4.2/i386/lib/modules/2.6.17.8-ltsp-1/kernel/drivers/char/drm/sis.ko
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| 00:06 | <whiprush> the pdf there will take you step by step
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| 00:06 | <sahil> like if those are the two
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| 00:06 | <whiprush> Jasonrsmith: at the very bottom of the page, under "More documentation"
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| 00:06 | <sbalneav> sahil: heh, got me.
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| 00:07 | <sahil> lts.conf is parsed by rc.sysinit?
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| 00:07 | <sbalneav> yup
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| 00:07 | You could just manually add a script to load it.
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| 00:08 | <Jasonrsmith> thanks, whiprush and everyone... I have looked at all the docs you mentioned... while I am nowhere as seasoned in linux as I'd like, I know how to read and I have followed the instructions to no avail
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| 00:08 | I had hoped someone here had tried to do this already
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| 00:09 | <sbalneav> I have done it.
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| 00:09 | <sahil> sbalneav: im not knowledgeable to know where to begin on where to call that script and what that script would do
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| 00:09 | <sbalneav> I run Sabayon at work.
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| 00:10 | sahil: You'd have to create a script like:
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| 00:10 | #!/bin/sh
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| 00:10 | <Jasonrsmith> ok, maybe I could ask a simpler question that would help me... which home directory are my users actually using? /home or /opt/ltsp/i386/home
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| 00:11 | <sbalneav> insmod /path/to/first/module/sis.ko
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| 00:11 | insmod /path/to/second/module/sis.ko
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| 00:11 | <Jasonrsmith> I am truly a noob on this, so please bear with me
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| 00:11 | <sbalneav> Jasonrsmith: /home
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| 00:12 | <sahil> for the path its relative to the i386 directory in the ltsp directory?
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| 00:12 | <whiprush> Jasonrsmith: have you run sabayon and made the profile you want?
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| 00:12 | using the little nested desktop thing
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| 00:12 | <Jasonrsmith> yes
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| 00:12 | <sbalneav> sahil: yep
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| 00:12 | <whiprush> Jasonrsmith: ok, so, it should have spit out a .zip file of each profile you made
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| 00:13 | something like ... secretaries.zip
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| 00:13 | etc.
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| 00:13 | <daya> is there is any improvement in sound for ltsp 5.0
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| 00:13 | <sahil> sbalneav:ok that seems simple enough, how would i get the clients to execute the script?
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| 00:13 | <Jasonrsmith> yes, and I have created a user for it... in both the main system and in teh chroot
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| 00:13 | <whiprush> Jasonrsmith: have you seen this page yet: http://www.gnome.org/projects/sabayon/config.html
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| 00:14 | <sbalneav> sahil: graft it into rc.sysinit somewhere. Or, just graft those two commands into rc.sysinit.
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| 00:14 | <sahil> ok sounds good
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| 00:14 | <sbalneav> daya: yep, a few
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| 00:14 | <Jasonrsmith> yes, whiprush
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| 00:14 | <whiprush> Jasonrsmith: and you get no love?
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| 00:14 | <sahil> so theoretically i can toy with rc.sysinit to my hearts content and whatever i put in there will be done explicity by the client's?
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| 00:15 | <Jasonrsmith> none at all
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| 00:15 | <daya> sbalneav, what extra packages or configuration do I then need to have sound support in client,
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| 00:15 | <sbalneav> sahil: heh, toy at your own risk
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| 00:15 | <whiprush> anything in your logs with regard to gconfd or anything like that?
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| 00:15 | <sbalneav> backup first :)
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| 00:15 | <Jasonrsmith> the profile is exactly what I want in the nested session...but it has no effect on any users
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| 00:15 | <sahil> backups are for pussies : )
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| 00:16 | <sbalneav> daya: What linux distro are you using?
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| 00:16 | <whiprush> sbalneav: do the sabayon profiles and all that xml stuff go in the chroot or outside the chroot?
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| 00:16 | <sbalneav> sahil: that's fine, I'll just laugh my *ss off at you tomorrow when you come back whining that you've messed up your rc.sysinit :)
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| 00:17 | outside
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| 00:17 | <daya> sbalneav, actually I am using our own distro, ( a localised version of linux based on debian, and morphix,) but I use the kernel from ethch
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| 00:17 | <sbalneav> whiprush: outside
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| 00:17 | <whiprush> that's what I thought
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| 00:17 | <sbalneav> daya: look at the ltsp-server packages in Debian
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| 00:17 | <whiprush> Jasonrsmith: you're doing this all outside of the ltsp chroot right?
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| 00:17 | <Jasonrsmith> whiprush, sbalneav: so, what is actually kept IN the chroot /home directory?
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| 00:17 | yes
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| 00:18 | <sbalneav> Jasonrsmith: nothing
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| 00:18 | <whiprush> hmm, my homes are outside the chroot
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| 00:18 | <daya> sbalneav, I have done it using tar ball already but vagrant had told me he have to made some patch or something like that , I really don't get it,
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| 00:18 | <sbalneav> daya: Have a look at the source
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| 00:19 | it's up on laucnhpad
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| 00:19 | <whiprush> Jasonrsmith: everytime I've done sabayon that part has Just Worked. You've checked the xml files for typos right?
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| 00:20 | <Jasonrsmith> whip: I've looked for obvious errors, yes
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| 00:20 | <sbalneav> \o/
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| 00:20 | <whiprush> hmm, damned if I know, I've never had an issue with it. I don't really know what to say
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| 00:20 | <sbalneav> Logged in with the new C ldm, and the new C gtk greeter.
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| 00:21 | what a day.
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| 00:21 | <sbalneav> Time to bzr push my changes!
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| 00:21 | <whiprush> where do you keep the profile .zip files, on that machine or are you hosting them off of a web server or something?
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| 00:21 | sbalneav: how are you guys digging br?
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| 00:21 | er .. bzr?
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| 00:21 | <Jasonrsmith> well, thanks anyway whiprush... I will keep plugging along with it... they are on the ltsp server
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| 00:21 | <whiprush> Jasonrsmith: and the path is right?
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| 00:21 | <sbalneav> whiprush: I'm slowly getting the hang of it.
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| 00:21 | <whiprush> file://blah/blah
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| 00:22 | <sbalneav> Jasonrsmith: Make sure you check out /etc/X11/Xsession.d
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| 00:22 | the sabayon start script's in there
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| 00:22 | Have a look through the script, see if it needs something
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| 00:22 | <whiprush> if there's an error applying the profile it should show up right in the syslog
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| 00:22 | <sbalneav> yep
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| 00:22 | <whiprush> you can't miss it, it's like 3487539457394785 lines of things complaining about xml
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| 00:23 | <Jasonrsmith> k, I'll check it out
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| 00:23 | <daya> sbalneav, is that updated one,
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| 00:23 | <sbalneav> Hey, that;s the same number of times Ive complained about your lack of blogging!
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| 00:23 | <whiprush> still, it's kind of crap, sabayon should have an easy button that just says "apply"
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| 00:24 | <sbalneav> whiprush: I'm even using lifrea now, so, like, if you blogged, I'd see it RIGHT AWAY
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| 00:24 | <whiprush> Jasonrsmith: there's like a million things that sabayon could do better, I'll pass along what a pain in the ass it is to upstream.
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| 00:24 | sbalneav: dude, you have a blog too.
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| 00:24 | sbalneav: we had john terpstra at mug today.
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| 00:24 | <Jasonrsmith> thanks, whiprush
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| 00:24 | <sbalneav> daya: whichm what I'm doing? I'm working on the next version. It's very brittle right now.
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| 00:24 | <whiprush> sbalneav: a genuinely good dude.
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| 00:25 | <sbalneav> whiprush: yeah, but I don't have anything interesting to say!
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| 00:25 | <whiprush> Jasonrsmith: keep up the good fight. It sucks sometimes. :-/
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| 00:25 | sbalneav: If I hit page up in my irsii window 15 times today, I can find a billion good things to say. :D
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| 00:25 | sbalneav: tell me about pulseaudio.
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| 00:25 | people want to know that
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| 00:26 | <sbalneav> Maybe that's my problem. I'm not running irssi :)
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| 00:26 | <whiprush> ok
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| 00:26 | page up 15 times in $client
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| 00:27 | <daya> sbalneav, can I then, Integrate it on 5.0 to support for sound, in the previously installed system , or I have to reinstall new ltsp pacckage for the whle
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| 00:27 | whole,
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| 00:27 | <whiprush> sbalneav: seriously. Blog about sound.
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| 00:28 | <sbalneav> daya: What are you using for ltsp currently? 4.2?
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| 00:28 | <daya> sbalneav, no , I am using 5.0, from the tarball,
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| 00:29 | <sbalneav> whiprush: I'll put on my thinkin' cap and do something tomorrow.
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| 00:29 | daya: Then most of the stuff should be there.
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| 00:29 | <daya> sbalneav, I have done all, except the sound support for client,
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| 00:31 | <sbalneav> Hmmm, wonder if there's a gtk call I can make to do a gradient.
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| 00:31 | i.e. gtk_really_long_function_name_to_do_a_gradient(my_pixbuf, some, other, parms, oh, oh, core, dump)
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| 00:39 | <whiprush> sbalneav: I'm in for ubuntu live and for fossed (moquist's thing)
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| 00:45 | <sbalneav> yawn
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| 00:45 | falling asleep at the keyboard
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| 00:45 | * sbalneav snores | |
| 00:45 | <sbalneav> time to head to beddie-bye.
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| 00:46 | Night, all
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| 00:49 | <daya> ogra, hi,
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| 00:50 | ogra, has vagrant sorry for spell, has maed any progress for sound support in ltsp 5.0
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| 01:45 | <skyion> morning ;)
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| 02:09 | <skyion> HI guys, running ubuntu 7.04 with ltsp v5, though im having trouble with the ltsp client picking up usb drives.
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| 02:09 | ive intalled ltsp-fs
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| 02:09 | and rebooted the server
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| 02:10 | on the client side it isnt showing up in dmesg
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| 02:22 | <skyion> ;)
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| 02:47 | hmm i think everyone is sleeping
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| 02:54 | <daya> skyion, no no , some are left
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| 02:55 | <skyion> which timezone are you in?
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| 02:55 | or just awake very late
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| 03:07 | <daya> skyion, no I am in different time zone, asia,
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| 03:08 | <skyion> ah, kewl, im in africa ;)
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| 03:19 | <daya> skyion, I am quite furstated due to sound and usb support on ltsp,
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| 03:19 | 5.0
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| 03:20 | actually I am doing it on debian etch,
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| 03:21 | <skyion> the architechture changed from v4 in the way in which its donw.
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| 03:21 | *done.
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| 03:32 | <KentTong> hi, I am having a problem with xorg, can anyone help?
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| 03:35 | <skyion> Hi Kentong.. is this on the ltsp client?
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| 03:37 | <KentTong> yes
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| 03:38 | It can display fine at 1024x768, but if I set it to 800x600, it can still display fine, but the root window seems remain at 1024x768.
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| 03:38 | That is, using the mouse (pointer), I can "pan" in the window.
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| 04:29 | <daya> ogra, is there is any improvement in sound support,
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| 04:32 | <ScOut3R> hey there
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| 04:33 | <ScOut3R> i'd like to know that if i want to produce sound on the thin clients do i have to put a sound card in the ltsp server?
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| 04:36 | <alkabada> hi, there is in ltsp5 something similar to ltspinfo, to shutdown the clients?
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| 04:37 | <vagrantc> not ye
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| 04:37 | t
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| 04:39 | <alkabada> can i use ltspinfo and ltspindod?
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| 04:39 | ltspinfod
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| 04:42 | <vagrantc> if you port it to LTSP5
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| 04:44 | <alkabada> i will take it from ltsp-4.1-0.iso
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| 04:44 | right?
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| 04:49 | <Envite> Hello all from Spain
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| 04:49 | Hola a todos desde España
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| 05:01 | <cliebow> Envite:Hola
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| 05:02 | ScOut3R, :no sound card needed in server
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| 05:02 | <ScOut3R> thank you cliebow
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| 05:08 | <skyion> *bump* Hi There, running ubuntu 7.04 with ltsp v5, though im having trouble with the ltsp client picking up usb drives.
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| 05:08 | ive intalled ltsp-fs
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| 05:08 | and rebooted the server
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| 05:08 | on the client side it isnt showing up in dmesg
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| 05:08 | not sure which step to take next
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| 05:36 | <Barni> hi all
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| 05:36 | i need help
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| 05:36 | i have ltsp, firefox and flasg plugin installed, my problem it is that the Flashp Player plugin has NO sound
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| 05:37 | <Barni> i tried to run the firefox -debugplugin and the result is it's trying to use ALSA, but I have ESD sound system
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| 05:37 | how can it be corrected?
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| 05:39 | pls help me
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| 05:41 | <Envite> have you tried a wrapper?
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| 05:41 | esddsp firefox
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| 05:42 | <Barni> yes
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| 05:42 | tha same messages and no sound
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| 05:59 | <Barni> pls
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| 05:59 | help me put
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| 06:04 | <skyion> :D
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| 06:04 | hmm
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| 06:10 | <skyion> *bump* Hi There, running ubuntu 7.04 with ltsp v5, though im having trouble with the ltsp client picking up usb drives.
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| 06:10 | ive intalled ltsp-fs
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| 06:10 | and rebooted the server
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| 06:10 | on the client side it isnt showing up in dmesg
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| 06:10 | not sure which step to take next
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| 06:20 | <n1ghtshd> Hello. I really would like to add the ahci.ko to LTSP 4.2 which comes with kernel 2.6.20.9-ltsp-1 ideas?
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| 06:21 | I'am using a leadingedge HP desktop dc5750 which has ATI sata? ( It works with CentOS 4.4 via scsi_mod,ahci )
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| 06:23 | <Envite> n1ghtshd: maybe you need the LBE
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| 06:25 | <n1ghtshd> Envite: the http://ltsp.mirrors.tds.net/pub/ltsp/utils/ltsp_kernel_kit_4.2u3.tgz seems not to include the 2.6.20.9 kernel config file
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| 06:26 | <Envite> n1ghtshd: I can't help, I had never done it
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| 06:26 | <n1ghtshd> Envite: thanks for the pointer
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| 06:27 | <Envite> _maybe_ you need only to copy the module in the adequate dir and rebuild a modules list
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| 06:27 | I repeat: maybe
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| 06:28 | <n1ghtshd> Envite: I was thinking about using a vanilla 2.6.20 from kernel.org and compile a ahci.ko and try it
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| 06:28 | <exodos> hi, Im using ltsp with ubuntu feisty and I have problem with logging in using ldm
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| 06:28 | xdmcp works fine
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| 06:28 | <n1ghtshd> Envite: I don't know what 2.6.20.9 differs from 2.6.20
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| 06:28 | <cliebow> exodos :did you try ltsp update-ssh-keys?? something like that??
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| 06:29 | <exodos> it works also when i specify LDM_COMMAND to something like "dbus-launch gnome-session", but I was wondering why does it not work out of the box
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| 06:29 | cliebow: yes i did
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| 06:30 | ldm.log says that I did connect to the server, auth.log on the server also confirms that
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| 06:30 | <cliebow> just no login? or a return to liogin screen?
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| 06:30 | <exodos> return to login window
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| 06:30 | after 1-2 sek
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| 06:30 | <cliebow> so perhaps .xsession-erros will tell you something
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| 06:30 | <exodos> No profile for user 'test' found
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| 06:31 | only this
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| 06:31 | this should not be a cause, it normal output from sabayon-apply
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| 06:32 | <cliebow> guess i must defer to the developers on this...it is all i can do to keep up ..changes are coming so fast
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| 06:33 | can you wait a couple hours...sbalneav or ogra know this far better than i
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| 06:34 | <exodos> ok
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| 06:53 | <daya> any one has solved the issue of the sound in debian etch for ltsp 5.0
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| 06:53 | I am having problem of sound and usb in clinet
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| 06:53 | :q
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| 06:58 | <daya> ogra, are u here,
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| 07:07 | <n1ghtshd> Envite: got it working, just compiled the libata and ahci.ko to 2.6.20.9
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| 07:10 | <sbalneav> ogra: Morning
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| 07:11 | <ogra> sbalneav, hey
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| 07:11 | <sbalneav> See my email? :)
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| 07:11 | * ogra totally fucked up ... | |
| 07:11 | <sbalneav> uh oh
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| 07:11 | wha happend?
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| 07:11 | * ogra was supposed to be in sweden today and mixed june and july :( | |
| 07:12 | <sbalneav> Frantically trying to get a plane ticket?
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| 07:17 | <cliebow> exodos Here is your chaance..
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| 07:23 | <sbalneav> Well, time to get ready for work.
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| 07:23 | See you later.
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| 07:38 | <exodos> ok, i think i fixed my problem
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| 07:38 | <skyion> :D :D hey... success.. i can pickup a usb drive in an ltsp client
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| 07:39 | but only when i logon as root
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| 07:39 | though root is the only account not a part of the fuse group
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| 07:39 | <exodos> the problem was sabayon that returns non-zero exit status when there is no profile for current user. I've commented out set -e in Xsession and its working now
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| 07:40 | <skyion> however if i login as another user and browse to /home/user/media/usb i can browse the device.
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| 07:58 | <rjune__> ogra: you're at least in europe, right?
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| 07:59 | <ogra> rjune__, germany
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| 08:00 | <rjune__> get a boat and sail across to sweden, it's the summertime and it's not *that* far. :-D
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| 08:01 | <ogra> jnah, i just booked my flight for tomorrow :)
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| 08:32 | <Gadi> ogra: ping
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| 08:32 | <rjune_> Gadi!
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| 08:32 | <Gadi> rjune_: !
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| 08:32 | <cliebow_> rjune:!!
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| 08:32 | <rjune_> cliebow!!
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| 08:32 | cliebow_!!
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| 08:32 | <cliebow_> Gadi:!! too!
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| 08:32 | heh
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| 08:32 | <Gadi> group hug
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| 08:32 | ;)
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| 08:32 | <rjune_> *hugs*
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| 08:32 | <cliebow_> mmmmmmmm
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| 08:33 | <rjune_> I'm a nineties guy
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| 08:33 | is there a package in ubuntu to export a login screen via VNC? It's called ltsp-vnc-server in fedora IIRC
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| 08:33 | <Gadi> ogra: I think I found what made usplash not work on this box, and it is just a matter of changing one line in $LTSPROOT/etc/init.d/ltsp-client
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| 08:34 | <cliebow_> Gaid:can you do a one sentence synopsis of unionfs squashfs ideas ogra is working on?
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| 08:34 | <ogra> Gadi, tell me
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| 08:34 | <Gadi> ogra: I'm not sure if other boxes are similarly affected
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| 08:34 | <cliebow_> does nfsroot now become a squashfs?
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| 08:34 | <Gadi> ogra: well, if I move the /etc/init.d/usplash start line up to the line before orig_console="$(fgconsole)" all is fixed!
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| 08:35 | <ogra> cliebow, an nbd device with a squashfs on it
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| 08:35 | Gadi, usplash is very fragile
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| 08:35 | <Gadi> even feels faster
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| 08:35 | :)
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| 08:35 | <cliebow_> ok
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| 08:35 | <ogra> Gadi, it might break on all other setups :P
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| 08:35 | * cliebow_ cliebow pulls atr his goatee | |
| 08:35 | <Gadi> well, I'll try some others
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| 08:36 | <ogra> cliebow, use ltsp 5.0.16 on gutsy and try it out ;)
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| 08:36 | <cliebow_> on an i386 right?
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| 08:36 | <rjune_> gutsy goat?
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| 08:36 | <Gadi> but, Im wondering if it has to do with switching the vt or getting console info while usplash is running
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| 08:36 | <ogra> gibbon
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| 08:36 | Gadi, pretty sure the latter
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| 08:37 | the chvt is needed to switch to X in the end ... i admit its very baldy implemented
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| 08:37 | <rjune_> LOL, #kubuntu just told a guy to drop to the shell.
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| 08:37 | <cliebow_> yeah..time to put in a sandbox machine..ive gotten to like this particular box so much i hate to bugger it up..
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| 08:37 | <ogra> rjune_, well, its KDE, you know :)
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| 08:38 | <cliebow_> ogra: so build anew feisty machine and use update-manager ...
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| 08:38 | <ogra> cliebow, or install from tribe1
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| 08:38 | as yu like
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| 08:38 | <cliebow_> i am unsure how to use tribe1..
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| 08:39 | <ogra> but if you use tribe1 make sure to update the ltsp packages before running ltsp-build-client
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| 08:39 | <cliebow_> ok..is that an iso or..?
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| 08:39 | google
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| 08:39 | <ogra> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/releases/gutsy/tribe-1/ or http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/gutsy/tribe-1/
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| 08:40 | its the first milestone CD
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| 08:40 | <str4nd> :o
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| 08:40 | <rjune_> ogra: is there a package in ubuntu to export a login screen via VNC? It's called ltsp-vnc-server in fedora IIRC
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| 08:40 | <cliebow_> heh..just found the links..
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| 08:41 | <ogra> rjune_, nope but https://wiki.ubuntu.com/InstallX11VncOnLtspClients might help
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| 08:42 | <cliebow_> coolio..downloading
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| 08:42 | <rjune_> ogra: no, I'm just looking for a config file to drop in /etc/xinetd.d/
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| 08:42 | <cliebow_> rjune_:So you been drinking the koolaid too..and playing in ubuntu?
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| 08:42 | <rjune_> I've got one, so it's no biggie, I was just curious if there was a pkg
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| 08:43 | yeah.
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| 08:43 | <ogra> rjune_, we dont have such a thing yet
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| 08:43 | <rjune_> 'k
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| 08:43 | though even fedora has it.
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| 08:43 | * rjune_ ducks. | |
| 08:43 | <cliebow_> heh!
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| 08:43 | <ogra> rjune_, but ltsp5 makes it very easy to set something up manually
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| 08:43 | as yu can see in the howto
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| 08:43 | <rjune_> the VNC connection is for windows clients
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| 08:43 | not for ltsp clients.
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| 08:43 | or standalone linux clients.
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| 08:43 | <ogra> patches and new packages are greatfully acceppted indeed ;)
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| 08:43 | <cliebow_> bbl..
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| 08:44 | <rjune_> ogra: don't know how to build a .deb
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| 08:44 | hell, I barely know how to use apt
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| 08:44 | <ogra> well, the x11vnc setup should work for windows as well
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| 08:44 | it runs a vnc server on the X display of the client
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| 08:45 | <rjune_> there are some semidecent free Windows X servers now too
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| 08:45 | <ogra> so you get the login screen or whatever runs on the clients X
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| 08:45 | via vnc
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| 08:45 | * Gadi likes to run x11vnc from inetd | |
| 08:45 | * ogra doesnt see the difference to what rjune_ wants here | |
| 08:45 | <rjune_> I have windows clients. I don't have ltsp clients.
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| 08:45 | <ogra> Gadi, that would require inetd on the client ...
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| 08:46 | <Gadi> indeed
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| 08:46 | <Gadi> :)
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| 08:46 | <ogra> rjune_, didnt you say you want to connect to linux clients from your win clients via vnc ?
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| 08:46 | <rjune_> no
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| 08:46 | <ogra> Gadi, no option fo the default
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| 08:46 | <rjune_> I want to connect to the server
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| 08:46 | via vnc from windows
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| 08:46 | <ogra> but an option for an option indeed :)
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| 08:46 | rjune_, aha
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| 08:47 | <rjune_> the package is called ltsp-vnc-server or somesuch in a lot of distros
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| 08:47 | http://home.bravegnuworld.com/~rjune/vnc.txt <-- put that in /etc/xinetd.d on your server
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| 08:47 | <ogra> well, then i'D go with a manual vnc setup from inetd indeed
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| 08:55 | <daya> ogra, hi,
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| 08:55 | ogra, is there is any improvement in sound support for ltsp 5.0 for debian etch,
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| 08:56 | ogra, can I get somewhere its docs.
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| 08:56 | <rjune_> Uhm, ok. I have ubuntu server. I want to allow remote X connections. I install ltsp-server. that should do it right?
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| 08:57 | <Gadi> !ubuntu
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| 08:57 | <ltspbot> Gadi: "ubuntu" is a Debian based GNU/Linux distrubution that includes a Ubuntu specific version of LTSP. It can be found at http://www.ubuntulinux.org. to install ltsp on ubuntu: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPQuickInstall
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| 08:58 | <rjune_> what, you mean he's not here to help folks?
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| 08:59 | <jammcq> rjune_: you'll need to install gnome-desktop or some other desktop on that ubuntu server
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| 08:59 | <rjune_> jammcq: ahh, I would have figured that would be depped in if it was required.
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| 09:01 | <Gadi> ogra: so far, the change to where usplash is stopped seems to not break any clients
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| 09:09 | <sbalneav> Morning all, again
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| 09:10 | <Gadi> sbalneav: morning
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| 09:10 | <sbalneav> hey, Gadi!
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| 09:10 | <jammcq> !s
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| 09:10 | <ltspbot> jammcq: "s" is Scotty!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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| 09:10 | <sbalneav> Morning jammcq
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| 09:11 | <Gadi> sbalneav: you got a feisty LTSP client handy to test something for me?
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| 09:11 | <sbalneav> Not immediately, but I could set one up
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| 09:11 | What do you need?
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| 09:11 | <Gadi> no emergency
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| 09:12 | <sbalneav> Once I wade through my emails, and voicemails, I'll set one up :)
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| 09:12 | <Gadi> when you get a chance, if you could edit init.d/ltsp-client and move the call to /etc/init.d/usplash start from line 105 up 2 lines to before the call to orig_console
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| 09:13 | and see if there is any problem booting the client with splash on
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| 09:13 | (this change fixed my usplash woes on my client, and I just wanted to test a few others and see that it doesnt break any other clients)
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| 09:14 | <sbalneav> okiedokie
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| 09:14 | <Gadi> gracias
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| 09:14 | I checked a few clients here, and no problemos
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| 09:14 | <sbalneav> de nada
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| 09:15 | * Gadi is glad to finally put that usplash thing behind me :) | |
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| 09:17 | <daya> tbamr, I am in quite confusion what is the differene the ubuntu and debian handles the sound, alsa, oss, pulse audio, etc
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| 09:18 | <tbamr> daya: alsa, oss are ways to output sound in linux
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| 09:18 | daya: are you trying to setup ltsp ?
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| 09:19 | <sbalneav> daya: Pulse audio manages the sound on the client, as the network sound daemon. It talks to the sound card via alsa
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| 09:21 | <daya> tbamr, no i have compley setup it, 5.0 in etch
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| 09:26 | <sbalneav> what's up with ltspbot?
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| 09:26 | <daya> tbamr, sbalneav but I can
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| 09:26 | can't get any for PULSE-
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| 09:27 | <tbamr> stupid bot
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| 09:27 | <sbalneav> He's not so stupid.
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| 09:27 | We like him.
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| 09:27 | <tbamr> so what can i do ? i find him stupid
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| 09:27 | <daya> ha bot is bot, but, ha ha,
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| 09:27 | <tbamr> any problem ?
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| 09:28 | <sbalneav> ltspbot: status
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| 09:28 | <ltspbot> sbalneav: I am connected to freenode as ltspbot.
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| 09:29 | <Gadi> daya: perhaps your soundcard was not detected on the thin client?
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| 09:29 | and the module was not loaded properly
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| 09:29 | <daya> Gadi, no it was fine , when I tested it under ubuntu,
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| 09:29 | <sbalneav> ltspbot: google sbalneav
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| 09:29 | <daya> ubuntu plays the sound in client,
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| 09:29 | <ltspbot> sbalneav: Search took 0.22 seconds: Advogato: Personal info for sbalneav: <http://www.advogato.org/person/sbalneav/>; W3C's Patent policy from sbalneav @e-brz.com on 2001-09-30 (www ...: <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-patentpolicy-comment/2001Sep/0543.html>; “~ sbalneav /ltspfs/ltspfs-upstream” branch by Scott Balneaves in ...: <https://code.launchpad.net/~sbalneav/ltspfs (2 more messages)
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| 09:30 | <jammcq> !s
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| 09:30 | <ltspbot> jammcq: "s" is Scotty!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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| 09:30 | <jammcq> oh yeah, he's working just fine
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| 09:30 | <Gadi> daya: still, I would try setting SCREEN_07=ldm and SCREEN_02=shell in lts.conf
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| 09:30 | and switch to the shell on ctrl-alt-f2 and make sure that pulseaudio is tunning
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| 09:30 | er, running
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| 09:30 | <daya> Gadi, screen,
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| 09:31 | Gadi, doesn't it for resolution or some thing,s
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| 09:31 | <Gadi> ?
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| 09:32 | <daya> lets check it,
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| 09:36 | <daya> no it doesn't show anything,s
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| 09:36 | I mean pulseaudio,
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| 09:47 | <Blinny> Should I be seeing more than ~120fps on glxgears when using the custom openchrome/via xserver for a Term 1225e?
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| 09:48 | <sbalneav> Over a network?
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| 09:48 | Probably not.
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| 09:48 | <Blinny> K
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| 09:49 | But opengl apps will work much better because they're not going over the network, correct?
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| 09:49 | <sbalneav> No
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| 09:49 | With a thin client, EVERYTHING goes over the network.
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| 09:50 | glxgears is an opengl application
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| 09:51 | <Blinny> OK
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| 09:51 | Thank you.
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| 10:19 | <sbalneav> ogra: Get your travel arrangements sorted out?
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| 10:19 | <ogra> sbalneav, half of them, yes
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| 10:20 | missong confirmation from the hotel
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| 10:20 | but looks good
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| 10:20 | <sbalneav> Leaving today?
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| 10:20 | What's it for, btw?
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| 10:20 | <ogra> (apart from the fact that i'm really not after travelling the next 4 days)
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| 10:20 | we aprticipate in a EU project
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| 10:20 | *participate
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| 10:21 | where they want to bas stuff on edubuntu
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| 10:21 | <sbalneav> So you'll only be a day late? That's not too bad.
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| 10:21 | <ogra> right
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| 10:21 | <sbalneav> Some nice numbers on the timing there I sent you, eh?
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| 10:21 | <ogra> i have my special cheapo airline i can fall back to, prices dont raise even if you book only 24h in advance
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| 10:21 | yeah
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| 10:22 | and the current stuff from my side isnt complete yet
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| 10:22 | we'll gain about another 10 secs
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| 10:22 | <sbalneav> Cool.
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| 10:22 | <ogra> and i discovered a bad bug in .15 ...
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| 10:22 | i bet yu have a 600M image lying around atm
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| 10:22 | <sbalneav> I have to say, the nbdroot thing's kinda cool.
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| 10:23 | <ogra> (i forgot to unmount /proc before running mksquashfs, the actual image is only 120-140M)
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| 10:23 | well, it has its drawbacks
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| 10:23 | <sbalneav> Oh, mine was only 140 some odd meg
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| 10:23 | <ogra> but the advantages are bigger than these :)
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| 10:23 | ah, cool
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| 10:23 | in my tests it compressed /proc as well ...
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| 10:24 | which mens the complete memory core ;)
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| 10:24 | <sbalneav> The mksquashfs bombed on ltsp-build-client, but worked if I did an ltsp-update-image
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| 10:24 | <ogra> aha
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| 10:24 | ok
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| 10:24 | <sbalneav> it actually produced a kernel segfault.
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| 10:24 | <ogra> thats right
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| 10:24 | i fixed the ltsp-build-client behavior
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| 10:25 | no, its a mksquashfs segfault
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| 10:25 | that happens if it tres to compress its own process in /proc i guess :)
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| 10:25 | <sbalneav> lol
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| 10:25 | we're back to the old machine code days of self modifying code :)
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| 10:25 | <ogra> hehe
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| 10:26 | one thing is still open, thats making ltsp-update-kernels not wipe the NBDPORT parameter from the PXE config
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| 10:26 | beyond that the prototype should be good now ...
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| 10:27 | <sbalneav> I'm going to try to finish off ldm2 and ldmgtkgreet to the point where they're a plug-in replacement for what we've got, by the end of the week, if possible.
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| 10:27 | <ogra> i'll go through the code and clean up after sweden ...
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| 10:27 | <sbalneav> then we can get it out there, and test it.
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| 10:27 | <ogra> yeah
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| 10:27 | <sbalneav> after that, we'll get the pw expiry and other bling in there after an initial test.
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| 10:27 | <ogra> right
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| 10:27 | <sbalneav> But I'm quite encouraged by what's going on.
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| 10:28 | some HUGE steps forward this cycle.
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| 10:28 | <ogra> it will rock the world ...
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| 10:28 | <sbalneav> btw, I called it ldmgtkgreet, in anticipation of an ldmqtgreet, and an ldmxlibgreet.
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| 10:28 | <ogra> well, *my* only concern was to make jammcq happy tis release :)
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| 10:29 | <sbalneav> heh
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| 10:29 | <ogra> so he stops promoting 4.2 :P
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| 10:30 | <jammcq> ogra: that's your ONLY concern? coool
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| 10:31 | all you gotta do is make it perfect :)
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| 10:31 | <ogra> heh
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| 10:31 | i'm on my way
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| 10:31 | <jammcq> btw, /me is also VERY encouraged by what's been happening lately
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| 10:31 | <ogra> :)
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| 10:31 | did scottie tell yu his numbers ?
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| 10:31 | <jammcq> and I'll be talking about it on friday, when I'm in minneapolis with my buddy Gadi
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| 10:32 | I heard some numbers yesterday
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| 10:32 | <ogra> "old way"
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| 10:32 | 2min 20 seconds (nfs + python)
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| 10:32 | "new way"
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| 10:32 | nbd + c(ldm greet) = 73 seconds
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| 10:32 | 50% cutoff
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| 10:32 | <jammcq> great, only 50% to go :)
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| 10:32 | <ogra> and still ~10secs to go
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| 10:32 | <jammcq> on which machine?
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| 10:32 | <ogra> well the 10 secs are general udev
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| 10:33 | i think its at least 10 even on the fast ones
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| 10:33 | about 25 on the e2300 :)
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| 10:33 | <jammcq> which machine was doing 73 secs?
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| 10:33 | <ogra> via eden EPIA 5000 (550 mhz, 256 megs ram)
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| 10:33 | looks liek a T150
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| 10:33 | *like
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| 10:33 | <jammcq> weren't we already doing that fast?
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| 10:33 | <ogra> 2:20 isnt really fast
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| 10:34 | <jammcq> no, 73 secs
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| 10:34 | I thought you already had that speed months ago
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| 10:34 | <ogra> ldm always took eternal times
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| 10:34 | <sbalneav> This is a box I had at home
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| 10:34 | <ogra> and it grew from release t release
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| 10:34 | <sbalneav> it used to take 2:20 to boot on feisty
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| 10:34 | now it takes 73 seconds.
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| 10:34 | <jammcq> oh, 93 secs on a T-1220
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| 10:35 | <ogra> sounds about what i got here as well
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| 10:35 | <jammcq> so tell me in terms of the box that worries me most. how fast is the e2300 ?
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| 10:35 | <sbalneav> I tried it last night.
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| 10:35 | <jammcq> and?
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| 10:35 | <sbalneav> 'bout a 1:15
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| 10:35 | <ogra> with XDMCP about 1:20
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| 10:35 | <jammcq> sbalneav: e2300 in 75 secs?
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| 10:35 | <sbalneav> with the new ldm2 + c greeter
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| 10:35 | <ogra> dont try the old ldm on it though :P
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| 10:36 | <sbalneav> yeah, the e2300 is a lot faster for bios startup
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| 10:36 | <jammcq> power-on to login screen ?
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| 10:36 | * Gadi wants to test, too!!! | |
| 10:36 | <sbalneav> this other box I have spends the first 20 seconds in bios
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| 10:36 | <Gadi> is this gutsy-ltsp?
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| 10:36 | <ogra> Gadi, set up a gutsy box :)
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| 10:36 | yep
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| 10:36 | <jammcq> sbalneav: is that including ogra's latest nbd stuff?
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| 10:36 | <sbalneav> yeah, from hitting the button to log on
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| 10:36 | yep.
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| 10:36 | <Gadi> do I need gutsy server side?
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| 10:36 | <jammcq> holy crap batman
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| 10:37 | you'z guys are rockin
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| 10:37 | <ogra> Gadi, you need ltsp 5.0.16 which is only in gutsy
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| 10:37 | <Gadi> ah
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| 10:37 | ok
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| 10:37 | <sbalneav> We've been busy.
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| 10:37 | <ogra> yeah
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| 10:37 | <jammcq> apparently
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| 10:38 | <sbalneav> My network connection at home must be popping in and out.
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| 10:38 | we've got a thunderstorm going on here.
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| 10:38 | <ogra> probably the logbot is scared by thunder
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| 10:38 | <sbalneav> :)
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| 10:39 | <Gadi> ogra: is the new ldm merged in gutsy?
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| 10:39 | er, ldm2
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| 10:39 | <sbalneav> not yet
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| 10:39 | it's only in my tree
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| 10:39 | <Gadi> okie dokie
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| 10:39 | <sbalneav> and has to be manually installed.
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| 10:39 | <Gadi> ill grab and merge
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| 10:39 | and then binge and purge
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| 10:40 | I need to patch init.d/ltsp-client anyway ;)
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| 10:40 | <ogra> i'll care for proper packaging right after sweden
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| 10:40 | <rjune_> is chkconfig available in ubuntu?
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| 10:40 | <ogra> so tribe2 should get all the new ltsp stuff by default
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| 10:40 | rjune_, nope
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| 10:40 | thats a redhat thing
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| 10:41 | <Gadi> talk about being a member of the tribe...
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| 12:45 | <jeremyAnder> I'm setting up a series of machines for the NCLS conference, and am having problems with nat.
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| 12:45 | I have amachine with 3 NICs - 1 to the outside, 1 to the LTSP lan, 1 to an additional LAN (eth1)
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| 12:46 | eth1 can ping machines on eth1, but packets from eth1 are not routed out the default gateway
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| 12:46 | I can find no iptables rules which handle nat for the LTSP lan, and I thought that was the only way to do packet forwarding, but petre scheie is rather sure I'm wrong.
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| 12:47 | how DO the packets from the LTSP LAN get forwarded out my external interface
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| 12:47 | ?
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| 13:01 | <sepski> jeremyAnder, is your ltsp lan using private ip addresses ? if yes then you need masquerading
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| 13:01 | (yes you need iptables rules)
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| 13:14 | <nadavkav> hi everyone :-)
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| 13:15 | does anyone know how can i connect a USB camera (canon a95) to a terminal machine and have its Icon show on the desktop
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| 13:15 | <vagrantc> nadavkav: how does it work on a normal standalone machine ?
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| 13:15 | <nadavkav> (regular usb key work just fine :-)
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| 13:16 | <vagrantc> if it's a camera that requires gphotofs, it will require some work. i've talked a little with sbalneav about it, and he's got some ideas how to implement it
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| 13:16 | <nadavkav> i just plug it in and the kde's "new device" dialog is asking me to open it in konqueror or...
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| 13:17 | work just fine on the server
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| 13:17 | <sbalneav> nadavkav: You may be able to set the camera to look like a usb memory device, rather than something that needs gphoto, in the short term.
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| 13:17 | <vagrantc> does it get recognized like a usb hard disk ...
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| 13:18 | * vagrantc waves from edinburgh | |
| 13:18 | <sbalneav> Hey vagrantc
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| 13:18 | <nadavkav> no, i've tried loading usb-storage and it didn't had any effect
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| 13:18 | <sbalneav> Check the camera manual.
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| 13:19 | <nadavkav> do i have to add something to the dbus files ?
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| 13:19 | <vagrantc> nadavkav: it might require gphotofs, then ... which isn't really supported yet
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| 13:19 | <nadavkav> oups
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| 13:20 | i've added manually some scanners to the gphoto a while ago (versionID and productID), is this the same idea ?
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| 13:22 | <vagrantc> well, to get it to work for thin clients, we'd need to get it supported on the client side ...
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| 13:22 | we need to figure out udev rules to identify it and act properly.
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| 13:23 | <nadavkav> i see the it adds /dev/usbdev1.2 but it's not a block device
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| 13:23 | <vagrantc> ah!
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| 13:23 | nadavkav: which linux distro is this?
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| 13:24 | <nadavkav> fedora core 6 (are you using debian ?)
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| 13:25 | <vagrantc> yeah, i most familiar with debian and some with ubuntu
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| 13:27 | <nadavkav> oups
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| 13:27 | is their a channel for fedora ? or is this one for both ?
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| 13:28 | <vagrantc> this is for all things LTSP
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| 13:28 | there's some folks familiar with fedora here, i think.
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| 13:28 | <nadavkav> and btw... should i switch to debian ? (i use it on my personal laptop)
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| 13:28 | and i LOVE it , but we had install to many fedora server by now...
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| 13:29 | <vagrantc> well, *i* prefer debian over fedora. as far as i know, there isn't yet an LTSP 5 implementation for fedora (only ubuntu and debian so far)
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| 13:30 | but it's really up to you what you use :)
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| 13:37 | <nadavkav> on a different note... can i install a pulseaudio server on the terminals to replace the esd server ?
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| 13:37 | <Blinny> There isn't an LTSP5 for Fedora yet. There is a 4.2, which contains lots of useful and usable things. I personally use K12LTSP.org, which relies on Fedora underneath.
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| 13:38 | <vagrantc> nadavkav: that's what ubuntu does in the most recent release
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| 13:38 | <nadavkav> i see
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| 13:38 | :-)
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| 13:40 | thank you all for your beautiful respones :-)
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| 13:44 | <vagrantc> we try :)
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| 14:15 | <ibt> so, what if my environment has multiple hosts?
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| 14:16 | with ldm, is there a way to do something like a chooser?
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| 14:16 | <vagrantc> you can specify on a per-workstation basis. but at the moment, it doesn't support multiple severs selected at login
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| 14:19 | <sbalneav> Well, not yet. :)
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| 14:19 | We're working on that for this release :)
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| 14:20 | <ibt> any strategy in mind?
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| 14:20 | <vagrantc> drop-down menu in ldm is one option
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| 14:21 | <sbalneav> yep
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| 14:21 | <ibt> is ldm running on the server or the client?
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| 14:21 | <vagrantc> the client
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| 14:21 | <sbalneav> On the client.
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| 14:21 | <vagrantc> and the client needs to know the ssh keys of the servers it connects to
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| 14:21 | <ibt> okay
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| 14:21 | is there a subversion repo with all this stuff or what?
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| 14:21 | <vagrantc> sbalneav: unless you add some magic in the new LDM code to handle unknown servers ... but i almost think we may not want that
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| 14:21 | ibt: bzr repositories ...
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| 14:22 | * vagrantc looks for links | |
| 14:22 | <sbalneav> All it would be is typing "yes" to the "are you sure you want to connect to this server" prompt.
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| 14:22 | that's a design decision we can make.
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| 14:23 | <vagrantc> sbalneav: yes. but maybe we want to control the allowed servers as an administrator ... only connecting to known ssh servers would make that very easy to do.
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| 14:23 | or support both options ...
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| 14:24 | ibt: bzr get http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ltsp-drivers/ltsp/mainline/
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| 14:24 | ibt: i think you can browse a little at: http://code.launchpad.net/~ltsp-drivers/ltsp/mainline/
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| 14:26 | <ibt> vagrantc: thanks
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| 14:38 | <Blinny> Hrm. I have a Dell box that boots up to 'ACPI: PCI Interrupt 0000:00 IRQ 9' etc on the screen (still kernel messages), but locks there. On the server however, /var/log/messages shows the client finishing booting and entering runlevel 5.
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| 14:43 | adding pci=noacpi and acpi=off doesn't help
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| 14:45 | This is with an add-on video card. Booting with the integrated i810 works OK (until xserver crashes later, but that's a different issue)
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| 14:46 | <rjune__> jammcq: which packages actually updates the X config to allow remote X sessions?
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| 14:49 | <Blinny> The boot screen says 'agpgart: Detected an Intel i810 E Chipset.', then locks shortly thereafter which is the integrated video adapter disabled by the BIOS
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| 18:03 | <sahil> is there a way to check which modules have been loaded on the clients?
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| 18:03 | <jammcq> sure
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| 18:03 | what version of LTSP ?
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| 18:04 | <sahil> 4.2
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| 18:04 | <jammcq> ok, set SCREEN_01 = shell
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| 18:04 | in lts.conf
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| 18:05 | <sahil> jammcq: i put in some insmod lines in rc.sysinit and i wanna check if they're loaded
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| 18:05 | <jammcq> then, when you boot the client, you'll get a shell. type: lsmod
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| 18:05 | <sahil> done
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| 18:05 | cool
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| 18:05 | <sahil> if i make it load kernel video drivers will that superseed the x drivers?
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| 18:45 | <sahil> jammcq:where is the Xorg log for the clients located again?
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| 18:45 | <jammcq> look in /tmp on the client, or /var/log on the client
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| 18:46 | <sahil> got it
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| 18:47 | is there a way to load x modules with a command?
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| 18:47 | the .so modules
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| 18:47 | <jammcq> no
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| 18:47 | they get loaded when the Xserver starts up
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| 18:47 | what module do you want to load?
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| 18:47 | <sahil> the sis ones
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| 18:47 | one sec ill give you the exact names
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| 18:47 | <jammcq> what module?
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| 18:48 | <sahil> sis_dri
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| 18:48 | and sis_drv
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| 18:48 | i loaded a live cd on the client's and x didn't draw slow as it does with ltsp so i know its not the clients
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| 18:50 | <jammcq> just add 'X4_MODULE_01 = sis_dri' to your lts.conf file
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| 18:50 | is it using the sis driver?
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| 18:52 | <sahil> the log isn't actually on the client for some reason the config file is though
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| 18:52 | but yes in lts.conf i have both of those
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| 18:52 | <jammcq> the log isn't there, cuz you haven't run the Xserver yet
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| 18:52 | type in 'startx'
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| 18:52 | <sahil> and MODULE_01=sis-agp
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| 18:52 | <jammcq> and it'll load the Xserver
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| 18:52 | <sahil> the xserver started on the other screen though
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| 18:53 | shouldn't there be a log from that?
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| 18:53 | <jammcq> other screen?
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| 18:54 | <lambda_> hi Is there crucial kernel options to append to successfuly compil a PXE diskless workstation ?
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| 18:54 | <sahil> screen02 vs screen01
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| 18:54 | <jammcq> no, LTSP supports PXE right out of the box
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| 18:54 | sahil: oh, if that's the case, you should definately have an Xorg log file
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| 18:55 | <lambda_> every time my diskless workstation get its vmlinuz and initrd.img but report a:
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| 18:55 | Kernel-Panic - not syncing : VFS Unable to mount root fs on unknown block(3,11)
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| 18:55 | <sahil> jammcq:brb let me get on on the server so i don't have to run back and forth
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| 18:55 | <jammcq> lambda_: what do you have in your pxelinux.cfg/default file?
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| 18:56 | <lambda_> DEFAULT vmlinuz ro initrd=initrd quiet splash
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| 18:56 | DEFAULT vmlinuz ro initrd=initrd.img quiet splash sorry
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| 18:56 | <jammcq> lambda_: what do you have for the 'filename' entry in your dhcpd.conf file?
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| 18:57 | <lambda_> <nacc> say me `forgot either to build your fs or disk driver into the kernel, or forgot to build an initrd/initramfs if modular
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| 18:57 | <jammcq> lambda_: did you build a custom kernel ?
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| 18:57 | <lambda_> yes it is obliged
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| 18:57 | <jammcq> why?
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| 18:58 | <lambda_> to hard code a dsdt pacth
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| 18:58 | <jammcq> what is that?
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| 18:58 | <lambda_> by default the bios report a conflicted IRQ attribution ; I need correct it
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| 18:59 | <jammcq> I have no idea what you have going on there
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| 19:01 | * lambda_ truing another compilation with CONFIG_ROMFS_FS set to YES | |
| 19:01 | <sahil> jammcq:can i put my lts.conf in pastebin for you to look at?
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| 19:01 | <jammcq> sahil: where in pastebit, I didn't see a link get pasted
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| 19:01 | <sahil> !pastebin
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| 19:01 | <ltspbot> sahil: Error: "pastebin" is not a valid command.
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| 19:01 | <lambda_> do you think CONFIG_ROMFS_FS=y is indispensable
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| 19:02 | <sahil> where is the pastebin?
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| 19:02 | !pastebin
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| 19:02 | <ltspbot> sahil: Error: "pastebin" is not a valid command.
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| 19:02 | <jammcq> sahil: if you want to use the pastebot, you need to specify '#ltsp'
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| 19:02 | !pastebot
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| 19:02 | <ltspbot> jammcq: "pastebot" is The LTSP pastebot is at http://pastebot.ltsp.org. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebot, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. A link to the content will be pasted in the channel.
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| 19:02 | <sahil> ah i was saying bin
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| 19:03 | <jammcq> sahil: so you when you paste to the pastebot, you need to make sure you select #ltsp as the channel, so we get a link here. I can't see it unless you do that
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| 19:03 | <ltsppbot> "sahil" pasted "sis on ebox 2300" (14 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/174
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| 19:04 | <jammcq> much better
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| 19:04 | sahil: is it actually running the 'sis' driver?
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| 19:05 | <sahil> i have no way of telling i think as there is no xorg log
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| 19:05 | <jammcq> yes there is
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| 19:05 | you just haven't found it yet
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| 19:05 | <sahil> haha yeah
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| 19:05 | <jammcq> if Xserver is running, there's an Xorg log file
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| 19:07 | <sahil> can i access it while the xserver is running on screen01/
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| 19:08 | <jammcq> sure
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| 19:08 | from screen_2
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| 19:09 | <sahil> i have no idea where the hell it could be
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| 19:10 | <jammcq> on the client, look in /var/log
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| 19:10 | <sahil> if i startx on shell 2 and then kill it?
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| 19:10 | i did
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| 19:10 | /var/log is completely empty
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| 19:10 | <jammcq> ah, look in /tmp/mnt/xorg.log
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| 19:13 | <sahil> looks like its not using sis its talking about vesa
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| 19:14 | could it be because sis-agp isn't loading as i specified in lts.conf?
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| 19:14 | <jammcq> nope
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| 19:14 | it's cuz you need to specify: XSERVER = sis
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| 19:14 | <sahil> i actually did that
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| 19:15 | its booted with that right now
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| 19:15 | <jammcq> then it MUST be using the sis driver
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| 19:15 | and the lts.conf file you pasted shows 'auto'
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| 19:15 | <sahil> i changed it
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| 19:15 | to sis
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| 19:16 | <jammcq> and you've rebooted the client since changing it?
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| 19:16 | <sahil> yep
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| 19:16 | it is loading sis_drv.so
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| 19:16 | sorry i just saw it
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| 19:17 | x however is still very slow
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| 19:18 | it should also be loading libglx right?
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| 19:18 | <jammcq> yeah, but where are you looking for that?
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| 19:18 | and that's only needed for gl stuff
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| 19:19 | <sahil> i thought it would be somewhere in the xorg log
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| 19:19 | <jammcq> look for 'GLX'
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| 19:19 | <sahil> in lts.conf i have X4_MODULE_01=glx
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| 19:20 | in the log where it lists extensions theres no mention of glx
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| 19:21 | <jammcq> what is slow about the terminal?
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| 19:21 | <sahil> drawing of windows
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| 19:21 | when you drag them around its horrible
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| 19:21 | <jammcq> ok, GLX has nothing to do with that
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| 19:22 | <sahil> in the wiki for sis it says the glx extension is important
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| 19:22 | <jammcq> sure, for GL stuff
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| 19:22 | moving windows around isn't GL
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| 19:22 | GL is for 3d graphics
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| 19:22 | <sahil> ah
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| 19:22 | <jammcq> you are just trying to do 2d
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| 19:22 | <sahil> it would be nice to have that too ( : but first things first
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| 19:23 | yes
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| 19:23 | <jammcq> have you seen the info about changing the bios options?
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| 19:23 | like PCI vs AGP ?
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| 19:23 | <sahil> i havn't been able to locate it i have tried both pci and agp however
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| 19:23 | but since its not loading sis-agp module
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| 19:23 | <jammcq> I've heard that makes a big difference
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| 19:23 | <sahil> agp over pci?
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| 19:24 | <jammcq> I think it's AGP vs PCI
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| 19:24 | I dunno tho
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| 19:24 | <sahil> and sis-agp shouldnt make a diff?
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| 19:25 | <jammcq> no clue
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| 19:51 | <sahil> jammcq:can i specify a xorg.conf for the clients to load
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| 19:51 | <jammcq> sure
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| 19:51 | XF86CONFIG_FILE should contain the name of the file
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| 19:51 | in lts.conf
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| 19:51 | <sahil> in relation to the /i386 directory?
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| 19:51 | <jammcq> look at lts.conf.readme in the etc directory
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| 19:52 | in relation to the etc dir I think
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| 19:52 | <sahil> kk thanks
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| 21:02 | <sahil> where can i find the kernel config for the ltsp kernels?
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| 21:19 | <sahil> jammcq: i specified a xorg.conf according lts.conf but for some reason it still builds the xorg configuration file or says it does
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| 21:19 | any ideas?
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| 21:40 | <sahil> jammcq:can i send you one of these damned clients?
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| 21:41 | <jammcq> I have one
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| 21:41 | in 2 weeks, I'll have 1,000 of them
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| 21:41 | <sahil> thats quite a few
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| 21:41 | <jammcq> yeah
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| 21:41 | <sahil> andyours have no problem?
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| 21:41 | <jammcq> we'll be selling them at DisklessWorkstations.com
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| 21:41 | i've not seen a performance problem when using. it takes longer to boot tho
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| 21:42 | <sahil> with ltsp5 right not 4.2?
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| 21:44 | could you find and give me whatever settings you may have used in config files and the like and also maybe tell me what bios settings work when you use it?
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| 21:45 | <jammcq> I didn't use any additional settings
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| 21:45 | I plugged it in and booted it
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| 21:45 | <sahil> haha
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| 21:45 | <jammcq> and I don't have it here with me, so I don't know how the bios is set
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| 21:45 | <sahil> i wonder what the hell could be causing this slow down in drawing
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| 21:46 | <jammcq> dunno
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| 21:56 | <sahil> jammcq:how would i go about checking if its a network issue?
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| 23:01 | <sbalneav> Evening all
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| 23:25 | <d0n7c3> hello there..
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| 23:26 | can anybody help me?
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| 23:26 | i've problem with internet on ltsp workstation
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| 23:26 | i've problem with internet connection on ltsp workstation
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