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Channel log from 1 August 2008 (all times are UTC)
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| 08:19 | <stgraber> ogra: http://pastebin.com/fd167b29 that'll remove the error message when no /etc/exports file exists
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| 08:20 | <ogra> stgraber, thats in the code
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| 08:20 | since a century or so
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| 08:20 | <stgraber> ?
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| 08:20 | <ogra> oh, not the -sq
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| 08:20 | <stgraber> yeah, I added the -sq
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| 08:21 | <ogra> right, i'll add that, thanks
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| 08:21 | <stgraber> np, I hate useless output in .postinst :)
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| 08:22 | <ogra> i'm wondering why we didnt get the error before
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| 08:23 | we avent had exports since gutsy
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| 08:35 | <Gadi> ogra: do you know any of the guys working on the ubuntu-eee stuff?
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| 08:36 | <ogra> Gadi, there is no such thing :) that might be a community effort ... canonicl has the netbook-remix
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| 08:37 | that thats only for OEMs afaik
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| 08:37 | <Gadi> there is definitely a community project of that name
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| 08:37 | :)
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| 08:37 | <ogra> but the n-r packages are public
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| 08:37 | (its essentiall just four packages replacing the default desktop with something adjusted for the small screen)
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| 08:38 | <Gadi> http://www.ubuntu-eee.com/index.php5?title=Main_Page
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| 08:38 | these guys work on getting all the drivers and such right, too
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| 08:38 | <ogra> https://launchpad.net/~netbook-remix-team/+archive
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| 08:39 | we are trying to get an ubuntu-mobile seed ready in the mobile team that shuld include all the changes from netbook (to make gnome apps suitable for the smaller screensize)
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| 08:39 | if they fix drivers that should go into the main kernel
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| 08:40 | either the ubuntu package or where suitable directly to upstream
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| 08:40 | <Gadi> right
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| 08:40 | I think its more of finding, including, and configuring things out of the box
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| 08:40 | <ogra> their screenshot looks a bit like my classmate desktop :)
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| 08:41 | <Gadi> http://www.ubuntu-eee.com/index.php5?title=EeePC_901
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| 08:41 | <ogra> my classmate stuff (including the imagebuilder and installer are public)
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| 08:41 | <Gadi> I am keeping an eye on what doesnt work just yet ;)
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| 08:41 | <ogra> well, just wait until fall and yu can buy devices with UNR preinstalled :)
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| 08:42 | and likely cheaper and more powerful than eee
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| 08:42 | <Gadi> hehe
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| 08:42 | <ogra> (and in my opinion way more beautiful as well)
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| 08:42 | <Gadi> well, I really like this baby so far
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| 08:42 | <ogra> oh, you got an eee ?
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| 08:42 | * Gadi nods | |
| 08:42 | <Gadi> just came this week
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| 08:42 | the 901
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| 08:42 | <ogra> poor you :P
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| 08:43 | <Gadi> I wanted it before my vacation at end of august
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| 08:43 | :D
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| 08:43 | I intend to put ubuntu on it eventually
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| 08:43 | but, you guys are so damn slow :P
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| 08:43 | <ogra> ah, yeah, the cool stuff is unlikely ot be out by then i guess
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| 08:43 | its not *us guys*
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| 08:44 | its our OEM dept. ... i have nothing to do with them and they work with the OEMs who have their own plans i guess
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| 08:44 | all i know is that at some point devices with UNR will appear in the shops ... and the HW i saw is beyond eee
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| 08:45 | in design and powerfulness
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| 08:45 | <Gadi> i dunno, my 901 is pretty nice hw wise
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| 08:45 | and it actually exists ! :P
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| 08:45 | * ogra doesnt really like the keyboards | |
| 08:45 | <Gadi> thats because you have gorilla fingers
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| 08:46 | <ogra> well, i even like the mechanics of the cmpc more
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| 08:46 | the eee keys feel like they would just fall off if i used them for a while
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| 08:46 | it feels pretty cheap to type on
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| 08:46 | <Gadi> they get better with each rev
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| 08:46 | the 901 feels solid
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| 08:47 | you've only seen the first-gen stuff
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| 08:47 | and first-gen classmate is pretty dorky looking, too
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| 08:48 | <ogra> yeah
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| 08:48 | second is only slightly better
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| 08:48 | third will overtake eee even
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| 08:50 | the classmate was simply the first of its kind ... nearly a year older than any other of them ... its sad that nobody credits it for being the base they all stole of
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| 08:50 | beyond that its still slightly ugly :)
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| 08:50 | but getting there
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| 08:50 | <Gadi> well, the Apple Newton came out over a decade ago
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| 08:50 | ;)
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| 08:51 | <ogra> it didnt cause a mass change in HW though
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| 08:51 | <laga> bah, the OLPC is *really* innovative. ;)
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| 08:52 | <ogra> innovative in slowness ? or unusability ?
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| 08:52 | <laga> hah
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| 08:52 | <ogra> it just includes a lot of innovative technology that wont be used under XP at all :P
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| 08:52 | <laga> burn. :)
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| 08:53 | <Gadi> heh - the mass hw change was not cmpc's fault - it was all timing
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| 08:53 | <ogra> and sadly has really bad specs
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| 08:53 | thast where they burned themselves imho
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| 08:53 | <Gadi> we revisit the same old ideas every decade in computers
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| 08:53 | <ogra> putting in a bit more ram and a slightly faster CPU would have gottem them where they had planned to
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| 08:53 | <Gadi> its economics that decides what makes for a market change
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| 08:54 | <ogra> no, its not
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| 08:54 | at least not in case of the netbooks
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| 08:54 | there it was actually the consumers making the change
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| 08:54 | and the market followed
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| 08:55 | classmate was presented but not marketed ... then via showed a netbook as proof of concept design last computex ... they never went to market with that (i wonder who got fired for it when the eee took off :P )
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| 08:56 | and then asus took the idea and founded the success for all the netbooks we have today
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| 08:56 | <laga> i'd rather have intel hardware than VIA hardware ;)
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| 08:56 | <ogra> but masses of people buying the eee made the manufacturers listen up and join the hype
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| 08:57 | <Gadi> and the only reason they could build any of it to make it attractive to consumers is because the cost of SSD has dropped dramatically
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| 08:57 | which, in turn, is due to the semiconductor industry
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| 08:57 | <ogra> indeed
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| 08:57 | <Gadi> which coincided at this point in time
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| 08:58 | <ogra> and people buying digita cams
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| 08:58 | <Blinny> UNR?
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| 08:58 | <ogra> ubuntu-netbook-remix
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| 08:58 | <Gadi> had the Apple Newton had access to 20GB SSD over a decade ago and 1.6G atom processors, it would have introduced the netbook
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| 08:58 | <ogra> Blinny, http://tombuntu.com/index.php/2008/06/03/canonical-announces-the-ubuntu-netbook-remix/
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| 08:59 | <Gadi> we're all just drifting along the same river
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| 08:59 | <Blinny> Dig.
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| 09:00 | I dug the newton. Handwriting recognition was the shizzle back in '96.
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| 09:00 | <Gadi> my point is, I dont see the netbook as a revolution - just an evolution
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| 09:01 | <ogra> its a backwards revolution actually
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| 09:02 | suddenly people are not after the biggest and most powerful stuff anymore
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| 09:02 | thats the noticeable thing here
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| 09:02 | <laga> well, back then you needed the latest hardware to be able to run windows nicely
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| 09:02 | <ogra> and what will get linux forward everywhere
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| 09:02 | you still do
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| 09:02 | <laga> nowadays, hardware is much more powerful. and these netbooks usually run windows xp or linux
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| 09:02 | <Gadi> well, intel learned that long ago, when the customers stopped caring about cpu speeds
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| 09:02 | <laga> ogra: yeah, windows vista
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| 09:02 | <ogra> i dont want to se vista on the first gen eee
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| 09:02 | <laga> but who uses that? ;)
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| 09:05 | <ogra> MS hopes everyone soon :)
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| 09:11 | <Blinny> Well with things moving to the cloud, PCs won't need to be more powerful. Sysadmins won't be needed (unless you work for google, RH, canonical, or amazon).
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| 09:11 | <laga> that's a scary thought
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| 09:11 | <ogra> more powerful means you also burn more power ...
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| 09:12 | so less powerfull and the new "green thinking" isnt actually a bad thing
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| 09:12 | sysadmind will still be needed
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| 09:12 | software will evolve and change etc
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| 09:13 | <Blinny> notebooks/PCs/phones will merge, and become appliances. If they break, replace them.
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| 09:14 | <ogra> s/replace/recycle/ ;)
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| 09:14 | <Blinny> rightO
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| 09:15 | <laga> recycle? yeah, let's ship them to some remote place in china :(
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| 09:16 | <ogra> or to something like freegeek :)
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| 09:53 | <warren> ogra: did anyone i mplement the changes to S01-localapps that was talked about?
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| 09:54 | <ogra> warren, i thought you wanted to do that, i have no prob doing that today though
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| 09:54 | <warren> I'm trying to fix nspluginwrapper now
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| 09:55 | <laga> ogra: for that LTSP SRU i'd like to do, do you want a ready-to-upload debdiff or just the patch to the mythbuntu plugin?
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| 09:56 | <ogra> warren, ok, i'll add the fixes during the day
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| 09:56 | laga, either way is fine ... debdiff makes it easier for me though
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| 09:56 | <laga> ogra: great
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| 09:57 | <warren> ogra: although xrexecd is still broken
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| 09:57 | <ogra> indeed
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| 09:57 | but one step at a time
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| 09:58 | i guess our release dates dont differ much, so we both have interest in getting it fixed in time (of which we still have plenty atm)
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| 10:27 | <laga> ogra: do you know that ltsp-build-client in intrepid is broken?
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| 10:27 | ?
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| 10:27 | oops, too many question marks :)
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| 10:27 | <ogra> using yesterdays package ?
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| 10:27 | <laga> ogra: it's trying to cp /usr/share/ltsp/scripts/start-stop-daemon after diverting..
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| 10:28 | let me check the version
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| 10:28 | ogra: 5.1.14-0ubuntu2
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| 10:28 | from 28 of july
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| 10:28 | <ogra> 3 has the fix
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| 10:28 | <laga> gah. sorry for the trouble then
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| 10:54 | <mib_3hs4d5> can anyone tell me how to change the default session for ldm (from gnome to openbox), and enable autologin under ubuntu?
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| 10:54 | I tried editing /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf and /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/lts.conf, but that didn't work
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| 10:55 | <warren> under ubuntu you need to use alternatives somehow
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| 10:55 | I don't have ubuntu so I don't know excatly how
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| 10:56 | <mib_3hs4d5> ok, thanks
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| 11:00 | one more thing, where's the best place to look for up to date LTSP documentation? Everything I find seems to be out of date or incomplete - version 4 or earlier
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| 11:11 | <Egyptian[Home]> does anybody know what version of ltsp is k12fedora using?
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| 11:23 | <Gadi> Egyptian[Home]: k12ltsp is LTSP 4.2 based
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| 11:24 | * Gadi waves to Egyptian[Home] - and reflects on the long time no speak | |
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| 11:33 | <warren> Egyptian[Home]: https://fedorahosted.org/k12linux/
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| 11:33 | Egyptian[Home]: please give this a try instead
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| 11:39 | <laga> ogra: grr, looks like mirrors aren't up to date yet wrt ltsp. although packages.u.c has the latest upload
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| 11:39 | <ogra> you should really not use mirrors for source packages if you develop
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| 11:40 | it will be up to date in the main archive
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| 11:40 | but note that i did to uploads today as well
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| 11:40 | *two
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| 11:41 | <laga> i'm not developing, i'm just testing right now
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| 11:41 | <Gadi> ogra: btw - yesterday I deployed LTSP on hardy with ActiveDirectory and pam_mount - definitely could have used that ssh -O patch
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| 11:41 | ;)
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| 11:42 | <ogra> i thought that didnt work ?
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| 11:42 | <Gadi> you know me, there's always a hack
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| 11:42 | <laga> ogra: archive.ubuntu.com doesnt have anything newer than ubuntu2
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| 11:42 | <Gadi> many of which open security holes
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| 11:42 | <ogra> oh
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| 11:42 | <laga> ogra: i'll build the package myself
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| 11:42 | <Gadi> but, there's always a hack
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| 11:42 | :)
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| 11:42 | <ogra> heh
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| 11:44 | <Gadi> pam_mount on ubuntu has its own issues, because the unmounting happens as the user (not uid 0)
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| 11:44 | no matter how you slice it
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| 11:44 | <ogra> that has nothing to do with pam_mount though
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| 11:44 | <Gadi> right
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| 11:44 | thats ssh
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| 11:44 | <ogra> yeah
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| 11:44 | <Gadi> evidently on ubuntu only, too
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| 11:44 | <ogra> which does that on purpose
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| 11:45 | no, debian as well
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| 11:45 | <Gadi> other distros dont have that security measure
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| 11:45 | ah
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| 11:45 | <ogra> the ssh packages are identical
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| 11:45 | well, then other distros diverge from upstrem policy
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| 11:45 | <Gadi> indeed
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| 11:46 | <ogra> the separation is done upstream
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| 11:46 | <Gadi> its a scary world out there
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| 11:51 | <gbolte> anyone know if gnome dose any logging on startup?
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| 11:52 | <ogra> in ~/.xsession-errors usually
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| 11:52 | <gbolte> alright
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| 11:52 | thanks
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| 11:52 | :)
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| 11:52 | <ogra> btil, hey
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| 11:54 | <gbolte> so what if that file dose not exist
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| 11:54 | :/
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| 11:54 | <ogra> then your distro mangles it or gnome didnt start yet
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| 11:54 | <gbolte> :/
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| 11:55 | <ogra> do you have the file in working sessions ?
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| 11:55 | (to rule out that suse doesnt fiddle with defaults here)
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| 11:55 | <gbolte> lemme make sure
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| 11:56 | ugg
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| 11:56 | no
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| 11:56 | its missing from mine as well
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| 11:56 | <ogra> well, then find out hos suse does per session logging i guess
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| 11:56 | *how
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| 11:57 | <warren> ogra: your firefox maintainer is the same person as your nspluginwrapper maintainer?
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| 11:57 | <ogra> we dont actually have maintainers :)
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| 11:57 | <gbolte> this is going to require an aggonizing visit to #suse
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| 11:57 | <ogra> we have a mozilla team
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| 11:57 | and asac is the lead of that
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| 11:57 | <gbolte> er agonizing
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| 11:58 | <ogra> nsplugnwrapper is maintained by the ubuntu-core-dev team
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| 11:58 | (which includes me)
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| 11:58 | (but asac as well)
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| 11:59 | the rule is: "who touched it last is responsible untl someone else touches it"
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| 11:59 | so you wont see me touching FF ;)
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| 11:59 | <gbolte> rofl
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| 12:00 | <ogra> unless its a real emergency
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| 12:00 | but if you have any nspluginwrapper fix i should push i'm fine to do that
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| 12:27 | <stgraber> ogra: any reason for using passthrough for debconf instead of noninteractive ? (it creates some noise that noninteractive would avoid)
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| 12:30 | <ogra> the cd installer
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| 12:31 | which doesnt work properly yet though ... but passthrough makes it possible to redirect to a different fd to get the progressbar proper
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| 12:31 | and its only noise
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| 12:31 | <stgraber> indeed
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| 12:32 | oh, btw looks like vmmouse has been fixed, I now have a working mouse in my kvm
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| 12:34 | <laga> ogra: where can i find the LTSP packages for ubuntu in DVCS? looks like lp:~ogra/ltsp/intrepid-packaging hasn't been updated in a while
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| 12:37 | <ogra> apt-get source ltsp
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| 12:37 | i need to merge vagrants branch manually first that requires some time i dont have atm
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| 12:37 | <laga> heh, chicken-egg problem if the mirrors haven't been updated ;) but it's shown up in the meantime
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| 12:38 | <ogra> the above branch is just a single checkin
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| 12:38 | <laga> heh, chicken-egg problem if the mirrors haven't been updated ;) but it's shown up in the meantime
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| 12:38 | oops, sorry.
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| 12:39 | <ogra> you mean, chicken-egg problem if the mirrors haven't been updated ;) but it's shown up in the meantime ?
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| 12:39 | <laga> yeah, that's what i meant to say
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| 12:39 | thanks
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| 12:39 | <ogra> :)
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| 12:40 | <laga> i hope AUFS is in good shape in intrepid. i've heard some complaints about the live disks being broken
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| 12:40 | <ogra> really ? i havent
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| 12:40 | and cjwatson either, we just discussed it in the big intrepid release meeting yesterday
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| 12:40 | (you should have attended :P )
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| 12:41 | <laga> i guess i should get more involved :(
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| 12:41 | but it's great if there are no problems with it
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| 12:41 | <ogra> i didnt see any in ltsp either
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| 12:43 | <stgraber> ogra: there was a bug with aufs and the livecd :)
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| 12:43 | <laga> stgraber: got any details?
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| 12:43 | <ogra> oh ?
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| 12:44 | <stgraber> I don't think it's really been fixed in fact. It's be work-arounded by fixing dpkg not to trigger it
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| 12:44 | * ogra wonders why nobody mentioned it yesterday when the question about ufs stability was discussed | |
| 12:44 | <ogra> *aufs
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| 12:44 | <stgraber> basically dpkg was doing chroot() and then another operation without first doing chdir("/"). and made the kernel to panic
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| 12:44 | <laga> i seem to remember a thread on aufs-users where aptitude would hang
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| 12:44 | oh
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| 12:44 | no, that was a different thing
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| 12:45 | <ogra> we dont use aptitutde apart from one bit in d-i
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| 12:45 | <stgraber> * src/help.c: chdir("/") after chroot(). Not only is this good practice,
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| 12:45 | but it works around bug #251223
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| 12:45 | -- Matt Zimmerman <mdz@ubuntu.com> Thu, 24 Jul 2008 18:31:52 +0100
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| 12:46 | <ogra> i would actually not blame aufs for broken behavior of dpkg
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| 12:46 | <laga> i wonder why it's not possible to do http://bugs.launchpad.net/<bug-id>
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| 12:46 | <stgraber> hmm, in fact it looks like aufs doesn't seem to be the cause of it any longer :)
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| 12:46 | <laga> grr
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| 12:46 | <ogra> because you need a project name
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| 12:46 | <stgraber> laga: launchpad.net/bugs/<bug-id>
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| 12:46 | <ogra> or that
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| 12:46 | <laga> ooh, nice. thanks
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| 12:46 | <ogra> LP is more than bugtracking
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| 12:47 | and tracks for hundrets of upstream projects beyond doing ubuntu tracking
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| 12:47 | <stgraber> oh and the bug has been marked fix released, great :)
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| 12:48 | <laga> heh, apparmor was the cause
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| 12:54 | gah, ltsp-build-client is currently broken due to unresolved dependencies :(#
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| 12:55 | <stgraber> ah ? worked fine here less than an hour ago
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| 12:56 | <laga> http://pastebin.ca/1089957
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| 12:56 | i'm on intrepid, of course
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| 12:56 | <stgraber> ogra: heh, "User account has expired" ?? What's happening with my root account :)
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| 12:57 | <laga> stgraber: are you using intrepid?
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| 12:59 | <ogra> stgraber, sudo chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 passwd -u
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| 12:59 | before setting a passwd
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| 13:02 | <stgraber> ogra: hmm, ok but that was with --prompt-rootpass
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| 13:02 | laga: yeah
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| 13:02 | <laga> bah, i guess i'll retry later. development releases are frustrating sometimes
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| 13:02 | <ogra> right, that still doesnt unlock the account
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| 13:03 | <laga> stgraber: you must be lucky - or somethjing is broken at my end ;)
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| 13:03 | <ogra> stgraber, i guess we shuld just add the passwd -u call to the plugin
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| 13:04 | <stgraber> ogra: sounds like a good idea yes
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| 13:04 | <ogra> oh
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| 13:05 | well, the 095-rootpass plugin seems buggy
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| 13:06 | <warren> I turn that plugin off
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| 13:06 | <ogra> it doesnt take ROOTPASS=prompt into account for after-install
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| 13:06 | so it will always be locked
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| 13:06 | even if you tell it to unlock :P
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| 13:06 | warren, i find it essential
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| 13:06 | but indeed we dont want bugs :)
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| 13:06 | <warren> My chroot process disables it
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| 13:06 | chroot creator
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| 13:07 | sigh
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| 13:07 | so the fix to xulrunner actually changes the ABI
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| 13:07 | so I have to truly understand it to fix nspluginwrapper
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| 13:07 | the old ABI was actually broken
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| 13:07 | <ogra> asac wil be back next week, he understands that stuff very well
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| 13:07 | <warren> has he submitted patches for nspluginwrapper?
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| 13:07 | <ogra> so if you have gotten nowhere until then lets just ask him
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| 13:08 | <stgraber> ogra: I added a passwd -u before the passwd root in 095-rootpass, that should work
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| 13:12 | <ogra> stgraber, well, i wrapped an if statement around the after-install call
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| 13:12 | and pushed :)
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| 13:16 | * warren tries Fedora 10 as client chroot... | |
| 13:19 | <ogra> warren, ldm fix pushed
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| 13:19 | <warren> ooh, can't test it yet
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| 13:19 | blew away my known good chroot
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| 13:19 | <ogra> i need to think more about the rest of S01-localapps ... there is a lot stuff i dont really like in it
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| 13:20 | <warren> I'd want xrexecd to actually work before we think about cleanups
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| 13:20 | <ogra> but at least the home mounting should work now
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| 13:20 | wel, no home, no xrexecd testing ;)
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| 13:21 | i will think how to get proper temporary overlays for group and passwd ... i'm not really happy about the fact that we leave so much sensible info around after logout
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| 13:22 | it should vanish automatically if ldm restarts
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| 13:23 | <warren> the plan was to wipe out the changes after login
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| 13:23 | there should be a copy of passwd and group
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| 13:23 | that's why we added a directory
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| 13:23 | <ogra> right
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| 13:23 | i see that
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| 13:24 | <warren> I guess we don't have a way to do it yet...
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| 13:24 | however
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| 13:24 | the code could be like:
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| 13:24 | If the copy exists, wipe out whatever we have
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| 13:24 | so the next ldm will reset it
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| 13:24 | <ogra> yeah
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| 13:25 | <warren> this could be done easily after gadi pushes his init.d patches
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| 13:25 | <ogra> prob is that you cnt do that with these potential multiple ldms we dont have yet :)
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| 13:25 | <warren> however writing it in C would be faster...
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| 13:25 | is it really worthwhile to support multiple ldm?
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| 13:25 | <ogra> not really
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| 13:25 | <warren> we can't do local apps with multiple ldm's
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| 13:25 | securely
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| 13:25 | <ogra> but currently you can start more than one
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| 13:26 | works fine on ubuntu
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| 13:26 | so as long as we dont block that we have a prob
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| 13:26 | scottie has bean a big promoter of that
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| 13:26 | <warren> I don't see how we can make this work with local apps
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| 13:27 | <ogra> with the nss thingie that allows you to use non standard passwd and group files
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| 13:27 | thas way you can use er ldm files
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| 13:27 | *per
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| 13:27 | but i dont like that either
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| 13:28 | <warren> but two different users can't have a different overlay
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| 13:28 | <ogra> i have no solution yet though
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| 13:28 | <warren> you could login to two different ssh servers
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| 13:28 | <ogra> right
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| 13:28 | i will meditate over it on the weekend, lets see what i come up with
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| 13:29 | worst case we can really just restrict to a single ldm
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| 13:29 | if someone wants multiple ones he needs to come up with a patch first :P
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| 13:30 | btw, the x2go gusy seem t be intrested to have support for ther client in ltsp :)
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| 13:30 | what they do is similar to nx
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| 13:31 | but 100% free and doesnt use its own xlibs copy afauk
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| 13:31 | *afaik
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| 13:32 | they have debian and ubuntu packages ready i was told ... not sure about fedora
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| 13:34 | <vagrantc> yeah, i heard about the x2go stuff on the debian-edu lists ...
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| 13:34 | wouldn't they just need to add a screen script to add support for it?
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| 13:35 | <warren> x2go?
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| 13:35 | <ogra> yeah
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| 13:36 | warren, see above
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| 13:36 | <warren> sweet, the EEEPC 901 just came in the mail
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| 13:36 | <ogra> like nx
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| 13:36 | <warren> URL?
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| 13:36 | <ogra> lol, you bought one ?
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| 13:36 | <warren> yeah, saw how long I resisted?
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| 13:36 | <ogra> nobody listens to me ... you will be sooo envious if i come to maine with my new device :P
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| 13:37 | <warren> classmate?
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| 13:37 | <ogra> nah
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| 13:37 | one of the things our OEM team works with that ship with UNR by default
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| 13:37 | they will be available around sept.
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| 13:38 | and are way beyond the eee's out there
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| 13:38 | Gadi apparently got a 901 as well today
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| 13:39 | <warren> in what way better than the 901?
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| 13:39 | <ogra> i'll hopefully be done with classmate by friday and never have to touch it again
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| 13:39 | HW setup, case keyboard design
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| 13:46 | <warren> F10 chroot was surprisingly problem free
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| 13:50 | <ogra> no X issues ?
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| 13:53 | <warren> crap
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| 13:53 | mkinitrd issue
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| 14:01 | <Gadi> warren: I got one, too - on Wed
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| 14:01 | let me know how the fedora image works
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| 14:01 | :)
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| 14:03 | <warren> I'm trying to figure out its partitioning scheme and how difficult it will be to dual-boot or reload it with original software
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| 14:05 | <Gadi> did u try ur usb stick?
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| 14:05 | <warren> yes, it works fine
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| 14:07 | hah
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| 14:07 | <Gadi> does it recognize everything?
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| 14:07 | <warren> it has a "learn chinese" app
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| 14:07 | <Gadi> yeah
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| 14:07 | <warren> it plays a drum track
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| 14:07 | <Gadi> I thought that was funny
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| 14:07 | <warren> funny
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| 14:08 | <Gadi> does fedora recognize everything - like the nic, bluetooth, wireless...
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| 14:08 | (btw enable bluetooth in the BIOS)
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| 14:08 | it comes disabled by default
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| 14:08 | no idea why
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| 14:09 | <warren> Fedora 10 has all the drivers I hear
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| 14:09 | Fedora 9 is missing the wireless
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| 14:09 | for the moment at least
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| 14:09 | <Gadi> cool
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| 14:11 | <warren> the interface that it comes with is pretty well designed
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| 14:11 | only problem is I keep accidentally touching the touch pad
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| 14:11 | I usually turn off taps
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| 14:12 | <Gadi> I have found a bunch of the English grammar mistakes in the stuff they wrote
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| 14:13 | that's always fun
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| 14:13 | <warren> of course
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| 14:13 | made in Taiwan
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| 14:14 | <Gadi> so far, all the hardware works nicely
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| 14:14 | only thing I can't get going is using my phone as a bluetooth modem
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| 14:14 | (my cell phone, that is)
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| 14:14 | <warren> what about the webcam?
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| 14:14 | <Gadi> webacm works
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| 14:15 | you can test it in a few places
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| 14:15 | like under System Diagnostics
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| 14:16 | webcam even works when disabled in the BIOS
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| 14:16 | which is cool
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| 14:16 | <ogra> install cheese to use the cam ;)
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| 14:17 | <Gadi> warren: check out the /opt directory
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| 14:17 | its a fun tour of some of the work xandros did
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| 14:17 | :)
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| 14:21 | <warren> how do you get a shell on this?
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| 14:21 | <Lns> warren, oooh you got a new one! =) I have a 701
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| 14:22 | If you get the webcam workign with youtube quick capture lemme know..i can't seem to figure it out, as the cam works fine otherwise
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| 14:22 | <Gadi> warren: ctrl-alt-T, of course
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| 14:24 | <Lns> warren, i really wouldn't stick with the 'easy' interface though...if you like gnome, i wrote a howto on eeeuser.com forums
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| 14:24 | cuz the 'full' interface is kde..blech
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| 14:24 | * ogra guesses if warren wants gnome he just installs fedora | |
| 14:24 | <ogra> but gnome is no fun on these screens ... there are lots of pending fixes i'm about to push upstream to make it work ...
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| 14:25 | the majority of the apps are not really designed for 600px height
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| 14:25 | * Lns uses ubuntu hardy and it seems to work great...besides some screen res stuff | |
| 14:25 | * Lns nods | |
| 14:25 | <ogra> (though an experienced user will know about alt+drag)
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| 14:25 | Lns, did you try out the UNR desktop ?
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| 14:26 | * Lns had to edit gconf to allow alt-drag above top panel | |
| 14:26 | <ogra> depends whyt WM you use
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| 14:26 | <Lns> unr? is that the new ubuntu interface for mobile/touchscreens?
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| 14:26 | ogra, gnome..
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| 14:26 | er
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| 14:26 | metacity
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| 14:26 | heh
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| 14:26 | <ogra> that should work without setting gconf keys
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| 14:26 | weird that it didnt
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| 14:26 | <Lns> well
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| 14:27 | i installed 'ubuntueee' or 'eeebuntu' or whatever it is
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| 14:27 | seems like it wasn't worth it...not many things worked
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| 14:27 | <ogra> https://launchpad.net/netbook-remix
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| 14:27 | <Lns> oh yeah saw that
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| 14:27 | is it stable yet?
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| 14:27 | <ogra> http://tombuntu.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/06/netbookremix.jpg
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| 14:27 | its only four apps, mostly stable, yes
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| 14:27 | <Lns> that's pretty slick
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| 14:28 | looks good
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| 14:28 | <ogra> you need a compiz capable crd for it
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| 14:28 | but i think the eee has intel all over
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| 14:28 | so should work
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| 14:29 | <Lns> yeah
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| 14:29 | compiz is actually pretty damn nice on eee 701
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| 14:29 | i was surprised
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| 14:32 | <Gadi> Lns: did you go for the straight format - or did you preserve xandros?
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| 14:37 | <Lns> Gadi, i did straight format - but i'd dd xandros if you can..its nice to have the backup
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| 14:38 | <Lns> i did get most stuff working good in xandros but i wanted more stuff that ubuntu had - but i had gotten full gnome, 80x24 terminal, compiz all working in xandros at one point
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| 14:46 | <Lns> I HATE WINDOWS! *clears throat* sorry...sorry
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| 14:46 | * ogra actually lies to look through thme | |
| 14:46 | <ogra> *them
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| 14:46 | *likes
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| 14:46 | gah
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| 14:47 | <Lns> =p those windows i love
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| 14:47 | but whenever i use the software..it's like...all closed windows, all with different keys...half of them are broken off in the lock
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| 14:48 | i just wanna use quickbooks...that's all...4 hours later...i'm copying the install cd files to a share because it won't read the damn cd in the vm
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| 14:49 | even though it launches the installer... can't copy files
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| 14:49 | <ogra> year, like american hotel rooms
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| 14:49 | you cant open them
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| 14:49 | <Lns> haha..yes
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| 14:51 | <Lns> microsoft really did tie the masses up with their stuff....why would anyone WANT to be so greedy? Don't they have nightmares of angry mobs? It seems so senseless
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| 14:51 | i guess that's just the balance between completely selfish and selfless though..
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| 14:52 | * Lns will shut up now | |
| 14:52 | * ogra isnt completelly selfless | |
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| 14:52 | <ogra> i'm hapy that canonical has a closed division that earns enough to pay my salary
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| 14:52 | as long as we have an open product i can work on through that
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| 14:53 | <Lns> that's much different though...canonicals morals are quite the opposite as microsoft's
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| 14:53 | they give back, they enjoy helping the community...microsoft intentionally sabotages it
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| 14:53 | nothing wrong with making money
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| 14:53 | we all have to
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| 14:54 | <ogra> right, but in the end canonical might become as evil at some point ...
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| 14:55 | <Lns> possibly... but at least they aren't now, which is why they have so much support imho
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| 14:55 | <ogra> though there will never be a possibility we could close the software dowm, or sell it as an entreprise product like others do or so
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| 14:56 | right, and we made sure the SW we use and make our money with will always be free
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| 14:56 | <Lns> i think canonical has a great thing going and the ones at the top hopefully won't let greed take over...after all, it's the community that gave them the chance to create a company around OSS in the first place
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| 14:56 | exactly
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| 14:56 | <ogra> well, mark surely has no reason gor any greed, he has all he will ever need
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| 14:57 | but there is no guarantee that mark will keep working in the company for example
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| 14:58 | <Lns> very true..and company images revolve directly around their leaders
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| 14:58 | <warren> Lns: if I completely wipe out the disk, is it easy to reload the original os/
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| 14:58 | <Lns> he'll have to choose wisely whoever will take his place
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| 14:58 | warren, dd should work fine
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| 14:58 | i don't see why it wouldn't
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| 14:59 | * warren wonders if they included the original OS on media.. | |
| 14:59 | <Lns> i didn't get one...there was a recovery option during boot
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| 14:59 | that's the 701 thou
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| 14:59 | <ogra> even if he might not there are fuses and safety nets that keep ubuntu from being switched to something evil
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| 14:59 | <Lns> that's good
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| 15:00 | and being tied in with debian definitely is a safety net of sorts =)
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| 15:00 | <ogra> all i wanted to point out is that you shouldnt mix up canonical and ubuntu :)
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| 15:00 | <Lns> oh no, i don't
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| 15:00 | it's hard not to sometimes though =)
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| 15:00 | <ogra> caonical can turn evil any time ... ubuntu will always stay free
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| 15:00 | <Lns> well then LNS will be the new official ubuntu sponsor =p
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| 15:01 | <ogra> yeah, i know i step into that trap myself, even i know better :)
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| 15:01 | <Lns> hehe
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| 15:01 | i would love to see ubuntu blossom into a "product" that is supported by as many third-party vendors/support firms as possible
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| 15:02 | that's where i see the real value in open source, besides obviously quality programmers
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| 15:02 | <ogra> well, that happens already
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| 15:02 | since years
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| 15:02 | <Lns> it does..i'm proof of that..but to see it as a household name and still be OSS would be phenominal
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| 15:02 | <ogra> there is a big support market around ubuntu canonical doesnt influence at all
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| 15:03 | <Lns> yep...which i wish canonical would cater more to '1st tier' support companies..it seems that their support schedules are all about end-user customers..me, for example, would love to see a 'cover-all' plan, say hourly support rates, no matter how many different clients/systems you have setup
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| 15:04 | whenever i looked to canonical for upper-level support options, i went away because it was so expensive in my scenario
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| 15:04 | <ogra> well, canonical has a per system plan, but i bet you can find a local company that handles t differently
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| 15:06 | <Lns> that's the thing though, i *am* the local company..i want canonical as a support partner
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| 15:06 | its just that i don't see the options that cater to my business (tech support/consulting)
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| 15:07 | <ogra> did you write to the support dept. ?
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| 15:07 | i bet there are possibilities
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| 15:07 | <Lns> i haven't..just sales
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| 16:41 | <operador> gadi :)
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| 16:41 | its me mario
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| 16:41 | ops ryudo :D
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| 16:43 | gadi which command to disconnect the user ?
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| 16:50 | <Gadi> hola, ryudo
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| 16:50 | do you mean kill off the user?
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| 16:51 | as in all of their processes?
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| 16:51 | I always enjoy a good-ole sudo pkill -u <username>
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| 16:51 | :)
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| 16:51 | something cathartic about that command
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| 16:52 | <operador> kill user :D
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| 16:52 | student-control-panel <== HEAVY !
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| 16:52 | student-control-panel <== BUG !
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| 16:52 | :/
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| 16:53 | <Gadi> don't look at me
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| 16:53 | Ive never even seen it
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| 16:53 | :)
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| 16:53 | <operador> here Ubuntu 8.04.1 22 users
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| 16:54 | | |
| 16:54 | to open the program, it hangs with 22 users logged
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| 16:54 | <gbolte> Gadi, I personally like killall -9 -u username
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| 16:54 | <Gadi> operador: sudo apt-get remove --purge tracker
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| 16:55 | operador: sudo pkill -9 tracker
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| 16:55 | gbolte: I have always been more of a pkill guy, myself
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| 16:55 | <gbolte> ah
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| 16:55 | killall sounds more brutal
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| 16:55 | <operador> tracker ?
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| 16:55 | <Gadi> operador: yeah, ubuntu installs it by default - its malware
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| 16:55 | :P
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| 16:56 | <operador> ahahha yes
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| 16:56 | other malware for ltsp eviroment is firefox !
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| 16:56 | flash too !
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| 16:56 | gadi i solve my performaces problems
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| 16:57 | | |
| 16:57 | even with a new server c2quad, continued slowly and with many operations of reading and writing to disk
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| 16:57 | * gbolte takes a walk around the office to see who is left on this friday afternoon | |
| 16:57 | <Gadi> operador: remove tracker
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| 16:57 | that could definitely be the problem
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| 16:58 | <operador> | |
| 16:58 | I swapped the firefox3 by epiphany, and the operations of io missing! All this super lightweight
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| 16:58 | | |
| 16:58 | I already removed a long time :P
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| 16:59 | firefox cause many operations IO disk from my server
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| 17:00 | another thing that makes the performance drop significantly, is the disk cache used by firefox ... you must disable it
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| 17:00 | * Gadi nods | |
| 17:00 | <operador> browser.cache.disk.enable;false
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| 17:00 | ;P
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| 17:01 | | |
| 17:01 | replacing the firefox 3 at epiphany and disabling the cache to disk, my server is super fast
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| 17:02 | Firefox 3 + Flash = Terryble Malware
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| 17:02 | in ltsp enviroments
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| 17:03 | <gbolte> what kinda environment are you using ltsp in operador
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| 17:04 | 22 users on what hardware
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| 17:05 | <operador> gbolte Core 2 Quad 2.4 ghz@ 3 ghz \m/ 6 GB DDR2 800 2x160GB SATA2 NCQ
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| 17:05 | <gbolte> hmm
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| 17:05 | <operador> server link GIGABIT
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| 17:05 | you need gigabit link server--switch
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| 17:06 | <gbolte> you have a setup somewhat close to ours
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| 17:06 | <operador> what kinda environment are you using ltsp in operador
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| 17:07 | <operador> how many clients you have?
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| 17:07 | <gbolte> we have 2 servers splitting the load of our ~20 users
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| 17:07 | <operador> humm you user firefox ?
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| 17:08 | replace for epiphany :D
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| 17:08 | <gbolte> each server has dual xeon quad 3ghz processors and 8 GB ram
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| 17:08 | we use firefox 3
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| 17:08 | <operador> | |
| 17:08 | another process that consumes much processing is the nspluginwrapper, used to run the flash plugin in 64-bit versions of ubuntu
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| 17:09 | OMFG O_O
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| 17:09 | <gbolte> heh we use 32bit
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| 17:09 | :)
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| 17:09 | <operador> 32 bits wich PAE ?
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| 17:09 | <gbolte> yeah
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| 17:09 | <operador> i dont use :(
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| 17:09 | <gbolte> -/+ buffers/cache: 2667 5448
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| 17:10 | <operador> PAE is stable ?
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| 17:10 | <gbolte> 5.4GB free of ram
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| 17:10 | yes
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| 17:10 | <operador> hummm you use default ubuntu kernel recompiled wich PAE or vanilla kernel ?
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| 17:10 | sorry my english so bad :D
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| 17:10 | <gbolte> we actually are not using ubuntu
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| 17:10 | <operador> :O
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| 17:10 | <gbolte> we use opensuse 11
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| 17:11 | <operador> é realmente foi um erro meu usar um sistema operacional 64bits
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| 17:11 | it really was a mistake I use an operating system 64bit
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| 17:12 | :{ nspluginwrapper consume much processor cycles
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| 17:12 | <gbolte> yeah we didnt want to deal with the issues that come when you use 64bit on the desktop
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| 17:12 | it would make sense if it was a database server
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| 17:12 | but not for desktop computing
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| 17:15 | <operador> yes its true
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| 17:16 | <gbolte> operador, are you using ltsp in your business?
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| 17:16 | <operador> i will change to 32 bit version wich PAE in ubuntu 8.10 :}
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| 17:16 | I use in my college, in a laboratory with 22 machines
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| 17:17 | I was inexperienced ... 100 Mb switch using the performance was bad ... nobody liked the idea
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| 17:17 | <gbolte> heh
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| 17:18 | <operador> | |
| 17:18 | but now I rebuild all, and is running better
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| 17:18 | next mission is
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| 17:18 | using 32 BITS + PAE
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| 17:18 | :D
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| 17:18 | <gbolte> we have had good success deploying ltsp to our employees using gigabit switches and a pair of high powered servers
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| 17:21 | <operador> | |
| 17:21 | how many users each server ? and specs plz :(
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| 17:22 | <gbolte> well I think we have it down to about 12 users on each server at this point
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| 17:23 | <operador> server specs ?
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| 17:23 | <gbolte> the specs of the servers are dual quad core xeon 3GHz processors and 8GB ram with 500GB hard drive space each
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| 17:23 | <operador> here 22 users using Openoffice Gnome(openbox) epiphany
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| 17:24 | 500 raid 5 ?
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| 17:24 | two processors quad core each correct ?
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| 17:24 | <gbolte> yeah
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| 17:24 | 2 processors
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| 17:25 | the hard drives are raid 0
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| 17:25 | user data is stored on another server
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| 17:25 | mounted with nfs
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| 17:25 | <operador> humm COOL
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| 17:25 | <gbolte> yeah
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| 17:25 | <operador> but if one HD crash
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| 17:26 | system has great downtime
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| 17:26 | :{
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| 17:26 | <gbolte> we put everyone on the other server
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| 17:26 | :)
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| 17:26 | <operador> i using RAID1 mdadm
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| 17:26 | <gbolte> ah
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| 17:26 | <operador> :O
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| 17:26 | load balance or backup server ?
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| 17:26 | <gbolte> well we are just load balancing for the moment
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| 17:27 | the servers can easily handle everyone
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| 17:27 | we just like to leave room
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| 17:27 | <operador> you using ltsp-kiwi correct ?
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| 17:27 | <gbolte> yeah
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| 17:27 | <operador> kiwi = ubuntu ltsp or diferent ?
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| 17:28 | gbolte i need to go
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| 17:28 | <gbolte> kiwi uses the ltsp server packages and dose some of its own things to build the images
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| 17:28 | oh ok
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| 17:28 | <operador> thanks for your atention
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| 17:28 | <gbolte> well I will talk with you later
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| 17:28 | <operador> :D nice to meet you !
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| 17:28 | <gbolte> bye
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| 17:28 | <operador> :D
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| 17:28 | i from brazil and you ?
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| 17:28 | <gbolte> USA
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| 17:28 | <operador> cool :D
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| 17:29 | <gbolte> alright we will talk again later
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| 20:31 | <acp_> Hi do i really need to install libflashsupport for flash sound to work in my thinclient?
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| 22:00 | <warren> acp_: yes, unless you use Flash 10 beta
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| 22:01 | acp_: flash 10 beta talks native alsa in a way that alsa's pulseaudio emulation can handle
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| 22:06 | <acp_> thanks warren, i did install it and it work. I only notice is that some times firefox crush but once I open it agin its ok. seem that its not stable but it suit my need
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| 22:06 | <warren> acp_: crashes are very likely caused by plugins, not firefox itself
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| 22:07 | acp_: firefox on fedora runs all plugins in a separate process with nspluginwrapper even on i386 where it is not necessary. We find that firefox then crashes almost never, while you can see the plugins crash often.
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| 22:07 | acp_: not sure if Ubuntu can do nspluginwrapper on 32bit
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| 22:08 | <acp_> ok, I will look in to it, tnx!
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