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Channel log from 11 September 2010 (all times are UTC)
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| 04:42 | <markit> hi alkisg :) I'm at school now, applied the patch you pointed me to, and boot to ldm rate is not nearly 100% (no nbd-proxy)! But I've a new problem now
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| 04:42 | from ldm, I can't authenticate anymore :(
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| 04:43 | is something I've missed once disabled the proxy following the bug-message steps?
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| 04:43 | <alkisg> hi markit, i can't help now, if you're around in a couple of hours...
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| 04:43 | Or ask in the channel and see if anyone else is available
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| 04:44 | <markit> alkisg: no problem, thanks :)
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| 04:44 | I've the feeling that I've to regenerate the keys
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| 04:45 | maybe now does not connect to ip of the proxy, so... but just a guess
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| 04:45 | let me try
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| 04:52 | <markit> nothing, also can't understand if I have to specify the ip of the server, since has 2 nicks and don't know
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| 04:52 | ok, in any case better update image :)
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| 04:56 | I've gone in textual login console on the client, fired up wireshark on the server, and I see NO TRAFFIC when I try to login
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| 04:56 | seems it's trying to authenticate locally
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| 04:56 | anyone has an idea about this problem?
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| 05:38 | <rwmarch> Installed Ubuntu 10.4 LTS with LTSP and the dual NIC option from the alternate CD. Login OK at the terminal if the server has access to the Internet. If Internet connection goes down, then login at the LTSP terminal fails and you are brought back to the LDM login screen. Any suggestions on what is going wrong here and how to resolve?
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| 06:06 | <rwmarch> Message is "failed due to unknown user".
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| 08:37 | <alkisg> rwmarch: if the client gets disconnected when your server gets disconnected from the internet, then your wiring is probably wrong
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| 09:02 | <ldv> Всем привет! Из России кто есть?
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| 09:07 | <alkisg> Δεν έχω ακούσει κανένα Ρώσο εδώ μέσα...
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| 09:12 | <ldv> смерть евреям!!!
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| 10:18 | <jammcq> good morning friends
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| 10:41 | <rwmarch> Yes, that is what I am thinking. I believe that the correct arrangement in line with the default setup from the altn CD is NIC1 to the router facing the Internet and NIC2 wired to the thin client. This is the arrangement on my system. Is this correct?
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| 11:02 | <rwmarch> To be precise, loss of Internet does not disconnect the client, however, without Internet available, login attempt fails (cannot connect to server error).
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| 11:03 | Could this be a dhcp.conf issue?
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| 11:03 | <alkisg> rwmarch: so, if a client is logged on, and you disconnect the internet, can the client still work?
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| 11:05 | <rwmarch> Yes, the client still functions normally.
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| 11:05 | <alkisg> Can you try running: sudo ltsp-update-sshkeys && sudo ltsp-update-image
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| 11:05 | ?
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| 11:05 | <rwmarch> Will do.
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| 11:13 | sudo ltsp-update-sshkeys && sudo ltsp-update-image completed without error.
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| 11:14 | Rebooted client.
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| 11:16 | Same behaviour. If Internet not available on the other interface, "can't find server" or something similar and returned to LDM screen.
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| 11:21 | BTW, when Internet available, the client has normal Internet access.
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| 11:30 | <alkisg> rwmarch: sudo gedit /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/lts.conf
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| 11:30 | There, paste the following:
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| 11:30 | [Default]
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| 11:30 | SCREEN_02=shell
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| 11:30 | SCREEN_07=ldm
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| 11:30 | Save, reboot client
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| 11:30 | When the client boots, press alt+ctrl+f2
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| 11:30 | ...and give this command: ssh user@server
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| 11:31 | Replace "user" with an existing user, and leave "server" exactly as it is
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| 11:31 | Paste here whatever messages you see there.
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| 11:33 | <rwmarch> will do.
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| 11:35 | BTW, is it possible that IP forwarding got turned off in the server? Could this cause the issue?
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| 11:35 | If so, how do I check the IP forwarding is in effect?
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| 11:36 | <alkisg> It should work even without ip forwarding
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| 11:36 | But, if you have broken forwarding, then *enabling* it could cause problems
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| 11:37 | You don't need ip forwarding unless you use localapps
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| 11:37 | <rwmarch> No localapps.
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| 11:37 | <alkisg> OK, then disable forwarding to make sure it doesn't cause problems
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| 11:38 | <jammcq> what IP address does 'server' resolve to?
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| 11:38 | <rwmarch> I thought that I recalled that the Altn CD install enabled it. Guess I am wrong.
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| 11:38 | Server is 192.168.1.254
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| 11:39 | <jammcq> are you sure the client knows that?
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| 11:39 | <alkisg> jammcq: we'll see with the ssh user@server command.... :)
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| 11:39 | <rwmarch> I will get that result.
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| 11:39 | <jammcq> the ssh command doesn't spit out the IP address
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| 11:40 | but 'ping server' will
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| 11:40 | <alkisg> rwmarch: disable the internet while running that command
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| 11:40 | <jammcq> from theclient
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| 11:40 | <alkisg> jammcq: sure, but he'll need lts.conf to get local terminal
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| 11:40 | <jammcq> but he'll already be booted up before disconnecting the internet
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| 11:40 | so he'll already have lts.conf
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| 11:41 | <alkisg> No lts.conf is needed to boot the clients...
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| 11:41 | <alkisg> ...and the alternate cd doesn't create one
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| 11:47 | <rwmarch> From the client (no Internet) ssh known_user@server. Command stalls. No output. When I connect the Internet (other interface) I get a password prompt and successful login and server IP address is reported. Likewise, ping server finds 192.168.1.254
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| 11:47 | <jammcq> on the client, do: cat /etc/resolv.conf
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| 11:47 | <alkisg> and, cat /etc/hosts
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| 12:02 | <jammcq> did we lose rwmarch?
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| 12:03 | <alkisg> Maybe - but previously he took some hours to answer, so he may just be busy :)
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| 12:05 | <rwmarch> I was busy.
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| 12:08 | From cat /etc/resolv.conf: search "*"; nameserver 192.168.1.254 This from the client F2.
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| 12:08 | <jammcq> looks good
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| 12:09 | does the server have 2 physical nics?
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| 12:09 | <alkisg> And cat /etc/hosts?
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| 12:09 | Also paste your other ip of the server
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| 12:12 | <rwmarch> From cat /etc/hosts: 127.0.0.1 localhost 127.0.0.2 ltsp22 192.168.1.254 server
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| 12:14 | 192.168.1.254 is on eth1. eth0 is 192.168.0.100 served by dhcp running on the router.
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| 12:15 | <jammcq> rwmarch: when you say "internet is down", are you pulling the cable out of eth0? or is eth0 still connected to the router?
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| 12:17 | <rwmarch> Pulling the plug.
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| 12:18 | <jammcq> what's the IP address of the client?
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| 12:20 | <rwmarch> 192.168.1.22
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| 12:20 | <jammcq> ok, my hunch is that when the client ssh's to the server, the sshd on the server is trying to do a reverse lookup on the address. since the internet is down, it's not getting a response from the name server
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| 12:20 | so... try adding: "192.168.1.22 ltsp22"
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| 12:21 | to the serviers /etc/hosts file
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| 12:21 | and then test it
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| 12:21 | <rwmarch> Will do. And instead of pulling the plug, ifdown eth0: ssh user@server now gives a password prompt.
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| 12:22 | <jammcq> bringing down the interface will result in a much faster "no route to house" when sshd attempts the dns reverse lookup
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| 12:22 | leaving the interface up, it may take longer for sshd to time out
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| 12:30 | <rwmarch> eth0 is up, cable unplugged, 192.168.1.22 ltsp22 is /etc/hosts: behaviour normal, login at client succeeds.
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| 12:31 | <jammcq> so ti's working now?
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| 12:31 | s/ti/it/
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| 12:33 | <rwmarch> Yes, it is working now!!!!
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| 12:33 | <jammcq> awesome.
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| 12:34 | I usually run my own caching nameserver on the ltsp server
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| 12:34 | and I always like to add entries for ALL of my thin clients
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| 12:34 | over the years, various services have needed to do reverses on the clients connecting.
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| 12:35 | xdm and nfsd on some distros would fail to allow a connection if it couldn't do a reverse lookup
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| 12:35 | <rwmarch> But, /etc/hosts entries is the 4.2 way of doing it. The alt CD did not add the ltsp list to /etc/hosts and the docs don't mention this, I think.
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| 12:36 | <jammcq> probably right
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| 12:36 | <rwmarch> So, I take it that a proper LTSP 5 installation should have the list in /etc/hosts?
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| 12:37 | <jammcq> well... as long as you have a nameserver on the network, it should be ok. the sshd will make a request for a reverse, and get a reply back immediately
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| 12:37 | in your case, you weren't able to establish a connection to a name server
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| 12:37 | so it just hung there trying
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| 12:38 | <rwmarch> OK. I understand now.
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| 12:38 | Thank you very much Mr MacQuillam for helping me again.
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| 12:38 | <jammcq> personally, I like all of my nodes on my network to be defined in dns, so I'd either have a nameserver set up, or at the very least, a /etc/hosts file on the server that mentions all clients
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| 12:38 | rwmarch: no prob
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| 12:39 | <rwmarch> Thank you alksig for your help. Much appreciated.
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| 12:40 | I think I like the nameserver approach as well. Will look in to that.
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| 12:40 | <jammcq> just make sure you adjust the servers /etc/resolv.conf to point to the local nameserver
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| 12:40 | <rwmarch> Roger that.
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| 12:41 | <alkisg> Thank you alksig for your help. Much appreciated.
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| 12:42 | <alkisg> You're welcome - I just helped with lts.conf, jammcq did the real catch :)
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| 12:42 | (remember to remove SCREEN_02=shell)
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| 12:42 | <rwmarch> But you were the first to get the ball rolling. Thanks.
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| 12:43 | SCREEN_02 Why? For security?
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| 13:01 | <alkisg> rwmarch: yes, you don't want to give root access to the terminals to the users... for security
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| 13:06 | <AndyGraybeal_> everytime i log out of a client and before it goes back to the LDM, it flashes this on the screen: (process 229):: Glib-WARNING **: getpwuid_r(): failed due to unknown userid (0)
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| 13:06 | is there something written about why this is happening?
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| 13:08 | <Appiah> you got ldap?
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| 13:08 | <AndyGraybeal_> no, no ldap; well i'm not sure but i don't htink so.
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| 13:08 | i didn't set ldap up.
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| 13:08 | <johnny> it's a fat client thing probably
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| 13:09 | <Appiah> well check the mailinglist archive im sure its been mentioned before
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| 13:09 | <AndyGraybeal_> Appiah: i did, they said they couldn't remember what was up but they discussed it here :) maybe i'll look harder.
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| 13:09 | johnny: can you explain a little bit more? how would i sort it out?
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| 13:10 | <johnny> why bother, doesi t hurt anything?
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| 13:10 | pretty sure i've seen it
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| 13:10 | check to make sure you're /etc/passwd has root
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| 13:10 | <AndyGraybeal_> well it comes up.. and it looks not fun
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| 13:10 | <johnny> in the client
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| 13:10 | <AndyGraybeal_> ah okay
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| 13:11 | <johnny> not saying i know how to fix it,
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| 13:11 | just making a suggesting
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| 13:11 | suggestion*
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| 13:11 | <AndyGraybeal_> k cool thank you
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| 13:11 | <alkisg> AndyGraybeal_: it's cause by pulseaudio, ignore it
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| 13:11 | *caused
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| 13:11 | <johnny> ah
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| 13:11 | <Appiah> ah
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| 13:11 | !
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| 13:11 | <AndyGraybeal_> alkisg: no way to make it stop saying that everytime i log out?
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| 13:11 | <johnny> hmm? alkisg suprised it can't be supressed
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| 13:12 | <alkisg> I don't think anyone has looked into this...
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| 13:12 | It probably can be "solved" instead of "supressed"
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| 13:12 | <johnny> well sure, if you want patch a patch in for lts :)
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| 13:12 | hah
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| 13:13 | <alkisg> A patch that disables nbd-proxy for non-cluster installations would be nice :D
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| 13:16 | <johnny> don't know enough about cluster
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| 13:17 | * alkisg neither | |
| 13:27 | <AndyGraybeal_> :)
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| 13:29 | <johnny> but , isn't there some check on the server side to find out of it's a cluster?
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| 13:29 | nbd-proxy is just a shell script right? put a check?
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| 13:33 | <alkisg> It's a C program that runs on the client and acts as a proxy between nbd-client and nbdrootd
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| 13:42 | <johnny> ah
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| 13:42 | must be a cluster var to look for ..
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| 16:12 | <markit> hi, alkisg do you have some time to help me find why users can't authenticate anymore?
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| 16:13 | <alkisg> Hi markit, sorry I'm in the middle of programming a python utility for mass users creation... but ask in the channel, others may help - and I may contribute a bit...
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| 16:14 | <markit> don't worry, thanks a lot. But people don't know about the patch and removag of nbd-proxy I think
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| 16:14 | but I'll try anyway :)
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| 16:14 | I've applied this patch as suggested: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ltsp/+bug/589034
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| 16:15 | now ldm is reached by almost 100% pc 100% times, very good
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| 16:15 | but once I've tried to login, seems that the client is trying to login "locally"
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| 16:15 | I mean, with wireshark on the server I can't see traffic going on
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| 16:16 | (I've gone in the text console and tried to login, in the ldm graphically of course I see traffic when the page is re-send)
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| 16:16 | any idea/tip?
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| 16:16 | <vagrantc> is it really GDM?
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| 16:17 | if GDM is installed, LDM will get disabled, and you won't have all the fatclient (or thin client, for that matter) support
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| 16:18 | <markit> vagrantc: are you talking with me?
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| 16:19 | <vagrantc> markit: yeah
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| 16:19 | :)
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| 16:19 | <markit> maybe I used the wrong words... I thought ldm was the "graphical login screen" session
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| 16:19 | <vagrantc> one of those "others may help" that alkisg was talkinga bout :)
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| 16:19 | <markit> never mentioned gdm (what is it?)
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| 16:20 | <vagrantc> markit: it is, but there are other graphical logins that might be installed, running, and disabling LDM :)
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| 16:20 | <markit> vagrantc: yep, thoght you were answering someone's question asked before my entrance in the channel
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| 16:20 | vagrantc: are you suggesting me to change ldm for gdm? the problem is that the client is not sending username/password to teh server, afaiu
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| 16:21 | vagrantc: I reassume the situation for you
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| 16:21 | I had a functional ltsp installation
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| 16:21 | then I updated the "host" and chroot
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| 16:21 | <vagrantc> markit: check if gdm is installed: ltsp-chroot dpkg -l gdm
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| 16:21 | <markit> everything worked fine except a failure ratio of going to the ldm screen, very high
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| 16:21 | ok
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| 16:22 | oh, never heard about ltsp-chroot command!
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| 16:22 | <vagrantc> would also be good to post your lts.conf (probably /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/lts.conf)
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| 16:22 | to a pastebot
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| 16:22 | !pastebot
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| 16:22 | <ltspbot> vagrantc: "pastebot" :: The LTSP pastebot is at http://ltsp.pastebin.com. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebot, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. Don't forget to paste the URL of the text here.
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| 16:22 | <vagrantc> ltsp-chroot is pretty new
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| 16:23 | <markit> in fact ltsp-chroot is not found
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| 16:24 | vagrantc: well, sorry to interrupt you, but please realize that the authentication broke AFTER the applied patch
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| 16:24 | so config was ok until then
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| 16:24 | <vagrantc> markit: sudo ltsp-chroot ...
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| 16:24 | <markit> I'm #
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| 16:24 | <vagrantc> what version of ubuntu?
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| 16:24 | <markit> ltsp-build-client ltspfs ltspfsmounter ltsp-info ltsp-localapps ltsp-update-image ltsp-update-kernels ltsp-update-sshkeys
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| 16:24 | only commands available
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| 16:25 | kubuntu 10.04.1
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| 16:25 | <vagrantc> weird.
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| 16:25 | <markit> well, I'l chroot the old way :)
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| 16:25 | <vagrantc> or dpkg --root=/opt/ltsp/i386 -l gdm
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| 16:25 | that can even be non-root
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| 16:25 | <markit> un gdm
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| 16:26 | <vagrantc> ok, so that's not your problem...
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| 16:26 | <markit> vagrantc: did you had a look at the patch linked above?
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| 16:26 | <vagrantc> oh wait ... could be kdm
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| 16:26 | <markit> vagrantc: please, lissen to me
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| 16:27 | NO traffic is between client and server if I login
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| 16:27 | I reach ldm screen
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| 16:27 | <vagrantc> and that's why i'm asking you if a local display manager is installed.
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| 16:27 | <markit> then I switch to console login (textual)
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| 16:27 | <markit> issue username and password, and server receives NOTHING
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| 16:28 | vagrantc: the system worked without issues until the patch
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| 16:28 | <markit> so everything is in the right place
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| 16:28 | <vagrantc> unapply the patch and see if it fixes it...
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| 16:29 | <markit> vagrantc: good idea!
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| 16:29 | btw, kdm is not found also... strange
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| 16:30 | ii ldm
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| 16:30 | ok, sure
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| 16:30 | now let's revert the patch :)
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| 16:31 | vagrantc: do you have an idea about what if I run ltsp-update-sshkeys and I have 2 nics?
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| 16:31 | <vagrantc> markit: it should add an entry for each nic
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| 16:31 | <markit> what IP is used for create the keys? the one on teh client side (eth0) or the other (eth1)?
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| 16:31 | vagrantc: oh, ok, that's fine
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| 16:39 | vagrantc: ok, reverted the patch, but I'm confused
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| 16:39 | <markit> a) ldm login works fine now again
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| 16:39 | b) if at ldm press ctrl alt f1 to go in textual login
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| 16:40 | and enter username and password, I can see traffic to adn from the server
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| 16:40 | but can't authenticate
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| 16:40 | (everytime fails)
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| 16:40 | <alkisg> markit: the nbd-proxy patch should be completely unrelated to the login problems
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| 16:40 | <markit> is it normal?
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| 16:40 | <vagrantc> markit: by default there's no users configured on the thin client itself, and root's password is disabled.
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| 16:41 | <markit> vagrantc: oh, in console I'm authenticating locally, I see
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| 16:41 | <vagrantc> markit: use SCREEN_07=ldm and SCREEN_06=shell and switch to ctrl-alt-f6 to get a shell
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| 16:41 | <markit> so was ok not have traffic at school, wondering why I have now
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| 16:41 | <vagrantc> in lts.conf
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| 16:41 | anyways, gotta run...
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| 16:41 | * vagrantc waves | |
| 16:41 | <markit> vagrantc: thanks a lot!
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| 16:41 | <alkisg> bye vagrantc
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| 16:41 | * vagrantc will lurk on irc | |
| 16:42 | <alkisg> markit: so what do you want to do now? reapply the nbd-proxy patch and troubleshoot the authentication problem?
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| 16:42 | <markit> " ctrl-alt-f6 to get a shell" for remote login you mean? (contrary to f1 for local?)
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| 16:42 | alkisg: I think is the only way to go
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| 16:42 | <alkisg> markit: ok, reapply it and ping when you're ready
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| 16:43 | <markit> alkisg: thanks a lot :)
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| 16:57 | <alkisg> markit: ready?
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| 16:57 | (it's kinda late here...)
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| 16:57 | <markit> patch applied, logins fine
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| 16:57 | so I'm puzzled
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| 16:57 | to be sincere, I did not tested here locally again
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| 16:57 | <alkisg> Do you update the kernels after applying the patch?
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| 16:57 | <markit> maybe is still a switch issue
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| 16:57 | sure, let me pastebing the sequence
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| 16:57 | <alkisg> update-initramfs -u and ltsp-update-kernels?
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| 16:57 | OK
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| 16:58 | Login problems are usually because of ssh-keys, ip changes etc
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| 16:58 | <markit> http://ltsp.pastebin.com/hXmSvznW
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| 16:58 | <alkisg> nbd-proxy or not-proxy only makes a difference in the first boot steps, not later on...
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| 16:59 | <markit> I did not changed the ip, and in any case, since desperate this morning, I re-build the keys
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| 16:59 | <alkisg> No need for the lenghty ltsp-update-image
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| 16:59 | <markit> alkisg: so I've a brand new bug that shows only in that damn classroom :(
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| 17:00 | I'll try to find a gbit switch here in my house and try inserting it between server and client
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| 17:00 | alkisg: go to sleep, I'll ask you tomorrow if I can reproduce the problem
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| 17:01 | I've one even bigger problem to solve also
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| 17:01 | <alkisg> See the logs on the url of the topic,
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| 17:01 | <markit> I tell you just for record
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| 17:01 | <alkisg> one had login problems, i told him some troubleshooting steps
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| 17:01 | (like the SCREEN_06=shell that vagrantc told you)
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| 17:01 | <markit> after a "long" time of inactivity, the black screen of the server never resumes back
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| 17:01 | I've tried screen_06
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| 17:02 | but as soon I press ctrl alt f6
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| 17:02 | I'm root@ltsp128!
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| 17:02 | <alkisg> yup
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| 17:02 | <markit> oh, I thought was a login to remote server instead
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| 17:02 | and to be root locally, you have to set a password for root in chroot
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| 17:02 | is no more valid?
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| 17:02 | <alkisg> From there, you try "ssh user@server"
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| 17:02 | ...and see what error messages you get
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| 17:03 | Change user to some existing user, leave server exactly as it is
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| 17:03 | E.g. when the ssh keys are not up to date, you get a warning there, so ldm can't handle it
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| 17:03 | <markit> I see
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| 17:06 | <alkisg> (01:03:39 AM) markit: after a "long" time of inactivity, the black screen of the server never resumes back ==> maybe it goes into suspend and never resumes, try disabling suspend
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| 17:07 | <markit> yes, can't find how... not in the bios
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| 17:08 | <alkisg> No, in the gnome energy settings
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| 17:08 | <markit> alkisg: I've kde I will dig
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| 17:08 | <alkisg> ah right
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| 17:08 | <markit> but googling around this morning I discovered that there is many people desperate about similar issue
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| 17:09 | that disable acpid or whatever they find that work
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| 17:09 | or modify xorg.conf
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| 17:09 | and the worse is that you have to wait 20 minutes each time to test
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| 17:09 | if the solution works...
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| 17:10 | btw, I've tried italc locally, and worked decently for only one client
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| 17:10 | so I will try in the class and cross my fingers for 2 years waiting for your english version of your program, lol
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| 17:10 | <alkisg> In gnome you can change the settings of suspend to 1 minute to test faster
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| 17:10 | Or you can just invoke suspend from the menu
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| 17:10 | About italc, yup, that's what I proposed too.
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| 17:11 | <markit> good idea, I hope that kde has similar options
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| 17:11 | alkisg: yes, sounds you are a good teacher not only at school (I'm sure you are), but in irc too
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| 17:11 | <alkisg> Heh :D
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| 17:11 | Thanks
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| 17:11 | <markit> btw, what do you teach at school?
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| 17:12 | <alkisg> Informatics, from office to programming, to kids of ages 12-18
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| 17:12 | <markit> oh, so it's a specific lesson... in italy they removed informatics from schools
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| 17:13 | <alkisg> Ouch
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| 17:13 | <markit> and told that "computers have to be used as a support mean for all the disciplines"
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| 17:13 | <alkisg> How do the kids learn to use the computers then?
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| 17:13 | <markit> I've no idea :)
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| 17:13 | probably they think will learn at home
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| 17:13 | <alkisg> They're talking about doing that here too, but many people oppose that idea
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| 17:13 | How can you learn programming at home?
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| 17:13 | <markit> yes, hope you win
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| 17:14 | <alkisg> Programming teaches logic - no other subject teaches that to kids
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| 17:14 | <markit> hehehe, you don't know italy
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| 17:14 | "programming" was never teached
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| 17:14 | just pressing keys in the M$monkey way
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| 17:14 | <alkisg> Urm
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| 17:14 | <markit> at least, except some schools that have informatics as discipline
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| 17:14 | they still study it, I guess
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| 17:15 | I'm installing ltsp for a 11-14 school
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| 17:15 | I've two children, at 6-10 school they just entered the "computer room"
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| 17:15 | turned on the few pc that was still able to run
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| 17:15 | and started using word or paint
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| 17:15 | even school books just tell about "word" and "paint"
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| 17:16 | nothing Free Software
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| 17:16 | <alkisg> Do you have erm, I don't know the word, something like little private schools that help kids on specific subjects? E.g. they only teach them office, or math etc, to help them in school?
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| 17:16 | <markit> no generic terms (like word processor, paint program)
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| 17:16 | so sad
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| 17:16 | not at all
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| 17:17 | <alkisg> So, when kids come back from school, they don't go anywhere to be taught more things, right?
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| 17:17 | <markit> not at this age for sure
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| 17:17 | right
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| 17:17 | they should do their homework
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| 17:17 | and then go to school the next morning
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| 17:17 | <alkisg> Here we have 8:00 to 14:00 public school, and in the afternoon they all pay to go to those "private schools" so that they learn whatever they didn't learn at school
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| 17:17 | So they don't respect the public schools
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| 17:18 | ...and the parents give a lot of money to those extra schools
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| 17:18 | <markit> why don't respect?
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| 17:18 | in public school you teach the "really important things" I suppose (math, greek, history, philosophy...)
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| 17:18 | <alkisg> E.g. they all go to learn english in private schools, so they don't bother listening to the english teacher at school
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| 17:19 | <markit> oh!
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| 17:19 | <alkisg> And when it's exam time, they learn the exam subjects from private schools again
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| 17:19 | <markit> the world is upside down
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| 17:19 | <alkisg> So at age 18, when they're about to give exams to get accepted to universities, they sleep at the public schools :D
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| 17:19 | <markit> ok, let's abolish public schools then, move all the teachers to private school, and then make it become "public again", lol
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| 17:20 | <alkisg> ...and have about 5-6 hours in the afternoon of private lessons etc
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| 17:20 | ...and parents spend hundends of euros on those
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| 17:20 | <markit> when do they play or practice sports? at night?
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| 17:21 | <alkisg> They have about 1 hour of gymnastics at school, and before turning 18 they sometimes play basket or football in the afternoons. But not so much as we used to play when we were kids, they don't have much free time.
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| 17:21 | It really sucks, but politicians are afraid to change that system
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| 17:22 | They'll lose votes of the private teachers :-/
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| 17:22 | <markit> like in italy, don't know why but the intersts of FEW rich and priviledged persons prevails to the interest of the community
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| 17:23 | <alkisg> In which city are you?
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| 17:23 | <markit> is how things NEVER should work
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| 17:23 | I'm in a very small city, nothern italy, among mountains :)
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| 19:50 | <Da-Geek> Hi All
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| 19:51 | * Da-Geek has just published ltsp-5.2.4 .rpm's for Fedora 13 to http://www.dageek.co.uk/ltsp/ | |
| 19:52 | <Da-Geek> once they have been tested i will push them into the Official Fedora Repos
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| 19:53 | i have also put a screenshot of K12Linux Running on my Fedora 13 Laptop as well @ http://www.dageek.co.uk/ltsp/LTSP-Server-5.2.4-5.png
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| 20:39 | <vagrantc> gah.
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| 22:03 | <rwmarch_> Ubuntu Lucid and LTSP5: created a launcher icon for an app (with terminal) . Behaves as expected on the console - app launched OK. At the client, "There was an error creating the child process for this terminal".
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| 22:05 | Can anyone shed light on this? Effects an application launch or a simple shell command.
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