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Channel log from 7 August 2009 (all times are UTC)
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| 02:07 | <lupine_85> ho de hum, is it normal to have problems with local devices? specifically, I've got a USB mass storage device and when plugged in locally, copying dies very quickly with 'couldn't allocate memory' and 'transport endpoint not connected'
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| 02:07 | not sure how much RAM it's trying to allocate, but it's got 1.5GB free on the client and 800MB free on the host
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| 02:21 | <johnny> not a good time to ask
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| 02:21 | the people who would know just aren't around this late
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| 02:23 | <lupine_85> 08:20am UK time? :p
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| 02:23 | <johnny> sure
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| 02:24 | it's still quite early in the us
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| 02:25 | <lupine_85> midnight-3am, I guess?
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| 02:25 | <johnny> 3am here on the east coast
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| 02:25 | yeah
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| 02:25 | <lupine_85> silly timezones. If only the earth were flat, eh?
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| 02:26 | <johnny> even our fellow greek alkisg doesn't come around til later
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| 02:26 | guess he doesn't come on until after work
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| 02:27 | <cyberorg> lupine_85, earth _is_ flat http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/
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| 02:32 | <lupine_85> mm, they're almost as funny as the christian scientists
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| 02:32 | ah well, off to work I go
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| 06:46 | <maginot> morning...
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| 08:59 | <CAN-o-SPAM> hi #ltsp!
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| 09:02 | <ball> hello CAN-o-SPAM
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| 09:06 | CAN-o-SPAM: aren't you supposed to sell us something? ;-)
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| 09:07 | <CAN-o-SPAM> ball: sure ... what would you like to buy! :)
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| 09:08 | <_UsUrPeR_> hey ball
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| 09:08 | <ball> 1220 PXE, but probably not today.
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| 09:08 | hello _UsUrPeR_
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| 09:09 | <CAN-o-SPAM> ball: i have a special running ... buy a 1220 today, receive a free smile! ... are you sure?
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| 09:09 | <ball> ...won't know until after I've seen the smile ;-)
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| 09:19 | <bieb> \join #crossover
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| 09:19 | oops
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| 09:22 | <ball> CAN-o-SPAM: Do they support X video and AIGLX?
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| 09:25 | <_UsUrPeR_> ball: X video?
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| 09:25 | as in video? in X?
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| 09:29 | <ball> _UsUrPeR_: X video is an extension to X that supports video across the LAN
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| 09:29 | <ball> (or within the same machine)
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| 09:29 | _UsUrPeR_: (hardware accelerated video)
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| 09:30 | <_UsUrPeR_> so you are wondering if the VIA video chipset supports X Video?
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| 09:49 | <ball> _UsUrPeR_: Not so much the chipset as LTSP
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| 09:49 | (and the X drivers)
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| 09:49 | It's a given that the chipset does.
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| 09:50 | <_UsUrPeR_> ball: Not quite sure. I'll see if I can find out though.
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| 09:50 | <ball> ok
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| 09:51 | I have successfully run video over 100baseTX.
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| 09:51 | Haven't tried hardware accellerated 3D yet, but I probably should.
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| 10:26 | <capetown2> I have just used Jaunty alternate CD to install a LTSP server. However I only had ONE nic in at the time. Only at the end of the "successful" install was I told that I should install a second nic and set the dhcph interface in /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf to a static interface. Can anyone tell me what the line I must insert into this file should look like... Thank you!
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| 10:27 | <jammcq> hello friends
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| 10:28 | <denisesballs> hey guys, where do you actually edit the layout of LDM? the greeter-gtkrc appears to just control colors and themes, i see no reference to the actual images in there
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| 10:29 | <knipwim> The themes of the LDM greeter are stored in /opt/ltsp/x86/usr/share/ldm/themes where the symlink default points to the chosen theme.
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| 10:30 | <knipwim> where /opt/ltsp is my chroot base
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| 10:30 | <ogra> and where non gentoo architecture subdirs are called i386 :)
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| 10:30 | <denisesballs> yep, i got that
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| 10:31 | in each theme folder, there is a greeter-gtkrc file
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| 10:31 | but that doesnt appear to affect the layout, just the theme/colors
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| 10:31 | <ogra> the image names are hardcoded in the greeter, just use the same names your new images
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| 10:31 | +for
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| 10:32 | <jammcq> ogra: http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/ByTheSea2009
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| 10:32 | <denisesballs> what i'm actually trying to do is move the "Username: " and box over a little bit cuz it's not quite centered i noticed
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| 10:46 | <denisesballs> i'm taking it you can't edit that then?
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| 10:47 | <bieb> If I make Firefox a local app.. should I still do this?? https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/Firefox3Optimize
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| 11:31 | <denisesballs> i just tricked it by adding space in the actual logo
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| 11:32 | <ball> denisesballs: nasty
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| 13:14 | <denisesballs> what is the best way to adjust the gnome menu globally for all users?
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| 13:45 | <IBC_jkenney> hello has anyone installed zimbra desktop on LTSP
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| 13:46 | <Appiah> sounds intressting
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| 15:45 | <Pulga> does anybody could help me detecting local HD using thin client
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| 15:45 | <Pulga> under thin clinet
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| 15:48 | <Pulga> hop
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| 15:48 | does anybody could help me detecting local HD using thin client??
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| 15:50 | <Gadi> LOCALDEV_DENY_INTERNAL_DISKS=False
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| 15:50 | in lts.conf
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| 15:50 | <jammcq> Gadi?
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| 15:50 | <Gadi> sorta
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| 15:50 | :)
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| 15:50 | <jammcq> Gadi: http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/ByTheSea2009
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| 15:51 | <Gadi> totally been there - lots of fun - highly recommend it
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| 15:51 | <jammcq> yeah, i've heard
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| 15:52 | <Gadi> seen folks eat these big red cockroaches the size of your head and enjoy them
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| 15:52 | <ltsplogbot> I don't know who folks is.
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| 15:52 | <jammcq> I met him once
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| 15:52 | he's a nice guy
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| 15:52 | <Gadi> indeed
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| 15:52 | when he's sober
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| 15:53 | <jammcq> yeah, when he's drinking, he gets mean. he's a mean drunk.
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| 15:53 | <IBC_jkenney> Hey
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| 15:53 | <Gadi> stupid mean
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| 15:53 | <IBC_jkenney> how is everyone
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| 15:53 | <Gadi> ltsplogbot: seen everyone
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| 15:54 | <IBC_jkenney> Gadi thanks for all that help the other day man
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| 15:54 | <Gadi> np
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| 15:54 | <IBC_jkenney> can i make the thin client locked into chroot
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| 15:54 | <Gadi> IBC_jkenney: you haven't been replaced by a random word generator, have you?
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| 15:54 | <IBC_jkenney> lol no
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| 15:54 | just scattered brain today
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| 15:55 | <Gadi> ah, its going around
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| 15:55 | :)
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| 15:55 | <IBC_jkenney> lots to do stress is high
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| 15:55 | lol
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| 15:55 | I wanna go hang with the mean drunk
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| 15:55 | <Gadi> hey jammcq - you know IBC_jkenney here's in Michigan?
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| 15:55 | <jammcq> oh?
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| 15:55 | where at?
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| 15:55 | <IBC_jkenney> Royal Oak (work)
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| 15:55 | <jammcq> oh wow
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| 15:55 | <IBC_jkenney> Port Huron (live)
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| 15:56 | <jammcq> I was in Royal Oak last friday
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| 15:56 | <IBC_jkenney> oh yeah
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| 15:56 | small world eh?
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| 15:56 | <jammcq> yeah
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| 15:56 | i'm in clarkston now
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| 15:56 | <IBC_jkenney> what were you out here for
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| 15:56 | fun?
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| 15:56 | or work?
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| 15:58 | <jammcq> birthday party for eTyack
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| 15:59 | <IBC_jkenney> Nice
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| 16:01 | <jammcq> Gadi: so... did you sign up for BTS yet?
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| 16:01 | <Gadi> DONT RUSH ME!!!!!
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| 16:01 | :)
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| 16:02 | <IBC_jkenney> Do you gents feel like helping me with a few things (I might almost be done) or is it TGIF today :)
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| 16:20 | <Pulga> does anybody could help me detecting local HD using thin client??
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| 16:26 | <Gadi> Pulga: LOCALDEV_DENY_INTERNAL_DISKS=False in lts.conf
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| 16:27 | <Pulga> after that what i should run??
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| 16:33 | Gadi: lts.conf is ok, what more?
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| 16:36 | <Gadi> Pulga: that should be it
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| 16:37 | by default, LOCALDEV_DENY_INTERNAL_DISKS is True
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| 16:37 | which is why internal disks don't show up
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| 16:39 | <Pulga> after that ltsp-update-image?
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| 16:39 | <Gadi> nope
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| 16:39 | <Pulga> where I find the HD?
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| 16:39 | <Gadi> you use: /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i286/lts.conf
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| 16:39 | if you don't have one, make one
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| 16:39 | [dafault]
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| 16:39 | LOCALDEV_DENY_INTERNAL_DISKS=False
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| 16:40 | like that
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| 16:40 | <Pulga> /opt/ltsp/i386
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| 16:40 | etc/lts.conf
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| 16:40 | <Gadi> nope
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| 16:40 | <Pulga> under ubuntu
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| 16:40 | <Gadi> leave that one alone
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| 16:40 | create a file;
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| 16:40 | /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/lts.conf
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| 16:40 | and put two lines:
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| 16:40 | [dafault]
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| 16:41 | LOCALDEV_DENY_INTERNAL_DISKS=False
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| 16:41 | er, sorry
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| 16:41 | [default]
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| 16:41 | can't type today
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| 16:41 | :)
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| 16:41 | the thin client downloads lts.conf via tftp every time it boots
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| 16:41 | so you don't have to update the image
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| 16:42 | <Pulga> I'll try
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| 16:44 | so, I will reboot now
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| 16:46 | <IBC_jkenney> I would like the thin client to be locked into chroot is that possible
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| 16:47 | * Gadi still does not understand IBC_jkenney | |
| 16:47 | <IBC_jkenney> well if i login to the thin client I can actually see the servers file system
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| 16:47 | <Gadi> no you cant
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| 16:48 | you're logging into the server
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| 16:48 | thats why you see the server's filesystem
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| 16:48 | if you log into the thin client console, you will only see the thin client filesystem
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| 16:49 | <Gadi> now, if you wanted to run your desktop and all of your applications locally, then you would only see the thin client filesystem
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| 16:50 | <IBC_jkenney> oops your right (it really has been a long day)
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| 16:50 | <Gadi> but, of course, then you are not really running a thin client
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| 16:50 | :)
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| 16:50 | <IBC_jkenney> Ok but i am having problems locking it down. I want to create a NFS share and store the home directories there when the client boots
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| 16:51 | <Gadi> easy enough
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| 16:51 | of course the first sentence is a non-sequitor to the second
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| 16:51 | <IBC_jkenney> I also want the users to login to samba shares but create a script or something that will auto mount their shares based on their login
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| 16:51 | <Gadi> and the client booting is not the causal event to the homedir being shared
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| 16:52 | all sounds prefectly resonable
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| 16:52 | I'm behind you 100%
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| 16:53 | <IBC_jkenney> Ok the problems that i am having is i get some errors doing boot on the thin clients about NBD file system
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| 16:53 | I also want to lock down the profiles but sabayaon is broken
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| 16:53 | <Gadi> again, a non-sequitor
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| 16:53 | hehe
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| 16:53 | <IBC_jkenney> :)
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| 16:54 | <Gadi> I can tell by your comments, that it is Friday
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| 16:54 | <IBC_jkenney> i am under the gun and very tired and would like to spend the next hour just getting this crap done
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| 16:54 | <Gadi> :)
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| 16:54 | ah, ok
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| 16:54 | hehe
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| 16:54 | well, first you gotta get your head around it
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| 16:54 | <IBC_jkenney> Right and i'm having a problem with that today gimmie a sec to eat
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| 16:54 | <Gadi> and tackle each thing independently
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| 16:54 | <IBC_jkenney> something
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| 16:54 | i think thats my prob
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| 16:55 | (salad) :(
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| 16:55 | (diet) :(
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| 16:55 | <Gadi> all the things you mentioned are, for the most part, independent issues
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| 16:55 | well, maybe not the eating thing
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| 16:55 | :)
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| 16:56 | IBC_jkenney: just keep in mind - its a dumb thin client
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| 16:57 | all the homedir, share-mounting, lockdown crap is on the server
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| 16:57 | the thin client "tunes in" a desktop like a TV set
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| 16:57 | <IBC_jkenney> Ok first thing i'd like to get moving on i still have the problem where when I put a usb drive on one client it shows up on all the desktops
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| 16:58 | <Gadi> hmm... that workaround should have fixed it
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| 16:58 | <IBC_jkenney> can you resend the work around and let me double check it
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| 16:58 | <Gadi> its on the wiki... /me gets the URL
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| 16:59 | https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LocaldevCommonGroupWorkaround
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| 17:06 | <IBC_jkenney> ok
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| 17:06 | i am back
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| 17:06 | sorry boss and i had to redo the how to because i reverted to a snap shot
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| 17:06 | so now this should just work
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| 17:06 | or do i have to reboot
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| 17:06 | or anything
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| 17:07 | <Gadi> just plug in a USB stick
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| 17:09 | <IBC_jkenney> ok that is done
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| 17:09 | <Gadi> did it work?
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| 17:09 | <IBC_jkenney> yeah i must have did something wrong last time
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| 17:09 | <Gadi> cool
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| 17:09 | <IBC_jkenney> but can i be sneeky and block the use of removable media unless your the member of a special group
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| 17:10 | <Gadi> well, if you are not a member of the "fuse" group, removable media doesnt work
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| 17:10 | so, yes
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| 17:10 | :)
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| 17:10 | <IBC_jkenney> ok great
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| 17:11 | now i have a profile i created with the menu layout and the applications i want for regular end users can i do anything to make the profile default for all normal thin client users
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| 17:12 | <Gadi> second time today someone asked me that
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| 17:12 | <IBC_jkenney> was it me
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| 17:12 | in a different window lol
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| 17:12 | <Gadi> no
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| 17:12 | :)
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| 17:12 | its been a while since I locked down things
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| 17:13 | I think most stuff gets recorded in ~/.config
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| 17:13 | when it comes to menus and such
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| 17:13 | honestly, I think you're better off with google than with me on this one
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| 17:13 | :)
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| 17:13 | <IBC_jkenney> but the trick is when i add a new user to the system that profile is used
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| 17:13 | <Gadi> right
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| 17:13 | <IBC_jkenney> I tried google
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| 17:13 | <Gadi> in theory, that's what sabayon is all about
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| 17:13 | <IBC_jkenney> everyone says to use the GUI
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| 17:14 | yeah but it crashes
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| 17:14 | i even tried the fix
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| 17:14 | <Gadi> so I hear
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| 17:14 | well, the way I would do it
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| 17:14 | which is prolly the poor-man's unsophisticated way
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| 17:15 | is to look and see what changes in the user's homedir that effects the changes I want
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| 17:15 | and then either write a login script to copy things in on login
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| 17:15 | or put it in /etc/skel or some such
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| 17:15 | <IBC_jkenney> i was thinking of making it part of skel
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| 17:15 | ;)
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| 17:16 | <Gadi> and change ownership to root
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| 17:16 | <Gadi> so it cannot be modified by the user
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| 17:16 | <IBC_jkenney> right but i want the user to be able to add bookmarks and what not
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| 17:16 | <Gadi> well, bookmarks are in a different place
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| 17:17 | actually, gnome's website should have some good docs
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| 17:17 | it is their desktop, after all
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| 17:17 | :)
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| 17:17 | anyhow, I totally need to get home
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| 17:17 | so short answers are:
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| 17:17 | <IBC_jkenney> I understand
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| 17:17 | <Gadi> NFS mount /home
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| 17:17 | <IBC_jkenney> but i can get one more question
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| 17:18 | <Gadi> from somewhere
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| 17:18 | <IBC_jkenney> when I try to install zimbra-desktop
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| 17:18 | <Gadi> (make it automatic in /etc/fstab)
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| 17:18 | <IBC_jkenney> on a thin client
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| 17:18 | <Gadi> and mount samba shares with pam_mount
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| 17:18 | <IBC_jkenney> it gets stuck
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| 17:18 | it states it cannot find X
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| 17:18 | <Gadi> (look at the ActiveDirectory integration thing on the wiki)
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| 17:18 | <IBC_jkenney> ok
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| 17:18 | <Gadi> install zimbra-desktop on the server
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| 17:18 | <IBC_jkenney> Gadi thanks again when this is all done i'll have to send you a gift card or something
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| 17:18 | <Gadi> not on the client
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| 17:19 | <IBC_jkenney> ok
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| 17:19 | here is the other thing
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| 17:19 | <Gadi> don't install stuff in the chroot
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| 17:19 | <IBC_jkenney> the server for some reason is all of a sudden running in low resolutino mode
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| 17:19 | <Gadi> keep the client dumb!
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| 17:19 | you mean when you are sitting at the server with a monitor plugged in?
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| 17:19 | <IBC_jkenney> right
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| 17:20 | its a VM
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| 17:20 | actually
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| 17:20 | <Gadi> ah
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| 17:20 | wrong drivers?
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| 17:20 | <IBC_jkenney> I thought that i called VM
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| 17:20 | they say no
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| 17:20 | but i am suspect
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| 17:20 | we have a support contract
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| 17:20 | <Gadi> well, check the server's /var/log/Xorg.0.log
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| 17:20 | it tells all
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| 17:21 | good luck, IBC_jkenney, and happy friday!
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| 19:20 | <allyourbass> oI!
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| 19:21 | so i tried editing my .profile to auto start conky and xpad, and its not working ...
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| 19:21 | can someone slap me in the right direction
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| 19:30 | <allyourbass> this is ltsp on debian lenny
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| 19:31 | via the client
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| 21:03 | <jammcq> hey friends
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