IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.libera.chat (webchat)
Channel log from 18 December 2006 (all times are UTC)
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| 04:01 | <bails> hi all I'm still having problems building lbe on debian unstable
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| 04:03 | <vagrantc> bails: want to try ltsp 5.0 instead?
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| 04:03 | <bails> well actually all i really want is an ltsp_kernel_kit
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| 04:04 | I need to build a custom kernel for some pita thin clients
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| 04:04 | <vagrantc> well, with ltsp 5.0 you can use the kernel from debian.
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| 04:04 | <bails> with no mknbe needed?
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| 04:04 | mknbi rather
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| 04:04 | <vagrantc> unmodified. though if the debian kernel doesn't support your thin clients, then it won't work.
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| 04:05 | if you have PXE boot, you don't need to use mknbi...
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| 04:05 | <bails> well i guess i could give it a go
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| 04:05 | no pxe on these I'm afraid
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| 04:07 | <vagrantc> the basic jist is: apt-get install ltsp-server ; ltsp-build-client
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| 04:07 | but if there's an /opt/ltsp/ARCH, you might want to move it out of the way first.
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| 04:07 | and you might want to use --mirror to specify your debian mirror.
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| 04:07 | <bails> and i guess i need a line for sources.list to achieve this
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| 04:08 | <vagrantc> it's integrated into debian unstable.
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| 04:08 | or etch, if you prefer testing.
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| 04:08 | <bails> I'll give it a go
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| 04:09 | <vagrantc> it essentially builds an LTSP environment out of debian packages.
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| 04:30 | <bails> vagrantc, Failure trying to run: chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 dpkg --force-depends --install var/cache/apt/archives/base-files_4_i386.deb var/cache/apt/archives/base-passwd_3.5.11_i386.deb
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| 04:31 | <vagrantc> that sounds like a bug in debootstrap
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| 04:34 | <bails> dpkg: base-files: dependency problems, but configuring anyway as you request:
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| 04:34 | base-files depends on awk; however:
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| 04:34 | Package awk is not installed.
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| 04:35 | vagrantc, I guess awk needs to be installed in the tree at /opt/ltsp/i386
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| 04:35 | <vagrantc> bails: you might have better luck with --dist etch
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| 04:35 | becuase unstable is... well... unstable :)
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| 04:36 | <bails> like this? apt-get install ltsp-server --dist etch ; ltsp-build-client
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| 04:36 | <vagrantc> no
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| 04:36 | ltsp-build-client --dist etch
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| 04:36 | <bails> ok cheers
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| 04:37 | <vagrantc> i'm just guessing it's a problem with package dependencies in unstable- that's the most common problem.
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| 04:37 | <bails> ok np
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| 04:38 | <vagrantc> another problem sometimes is out of date mirrors.
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| 05:33 | <bails> vagrantc, is there any docs for ltsp5 yet?
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| 05:33 | <vagrantc> bails: /usr/share/doc/ltsp-server
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| 05:33 | <bails> ta
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| 05:34 | <vagrantc> granted, it's far from complete
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| 05:35 | <bails> no problem i just feel the need to read
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| 05:36 | <vagrantc> there's also man pages for ltsp-build-client and some of the other stuff
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| 05:36 | and ltsp-build-client --help
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| 05:36 | <bails> great thanks
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| 06:01 | <Darke-_> hmm
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| 06:01 | i have to run ltsp-build-client ?
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| 06:02 | <vagrantc> Darke-_: well, on a debian/etch/sid or ubuntu machine, that is what i would recommend.
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| 06:02 | <Darke-_> since there is already a filesystem for the clients from scratch
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| 06:02 | <Darke-_> vagrantc: ok
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| 06:02 | well the client now boots perfectly
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| 06:03 | cant log in doe, fixed that on SLES and ltsp4 by configure the gdm.conf a bit.
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| 06:03 | but since its using ldm here
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| 06:03 | with edubuntu 6.10 and ltsp5
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| 06:04 | im not sure what to do really
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| 06:04 | vagrantc: any clues ?
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| 06:05 | <vagrantc> Darke-_: maybe run ltsp-update-sshkeys
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| 06:05 | <Darke-_> did
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| 06:05 | returns nothing doe
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| 06:05 | <vagrantc> "doe" ?
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| 06:05 | <Darke-_> :P
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| 06:05 | <vagrantc> well, after running ltsp-update-sshkeys, did you try logging in again?
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| 06:06 | <Darke-_> yes, i did.
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| 06:06 | <bails> cheers for the help vagrantc
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| 06:06 | * vagrantc thanks bails, but is too slow. | |
| 06:06 | <vagrantc> Darke-_: is sshd running on your server? grep X11 /etc/ssh/sshd_config
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| 06:07 | <Darke-_> returned nothing
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| 06:07 | im just a bit confused ;) this time i tried doing nothing
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| 06:08 | since i learned with ltsp5 and edubuntu it should work out of the box
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| 06:08 | oh well
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| 06:08 | X11Fowarding yes
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| 06:08 | Forwarding*
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| 06:11 | <vagrantc> Darke-_: so, the ldm login screen comes up, you type a vvalid user name and valid password, and you're unable to log in?
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| 06:11 | <Darke-_> Correct
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| 06:11 | <vagrantc> can you ssh into your server normally?
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| 06:11 | like, from another machine?
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| 06:11 | <Darke-_> one sec
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| 06:12 | <ogra> vagrantc, hey, i saw the bug about the boolean handling ... wow, were we blind :)
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| 06:13 | <vagrantc> ogra: i bet i wrote it properly in my test cases, but when i committed to bzr i mucked it up.
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| 06:13 | luckily the workaround can simply be: use lower case. :)
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| 06:13 | <ogra> well, we both looked at it several times i think :)
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| 06:14 | <Darke-_> have to rearange a few things, got no other machine in that network atm :P Since ogra wanted me to run it out of the box with dhcp and all that
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| 06:14 | <vagrantc> Darke-_: ogra's your ubuntu ltsp guru. :)
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| 06:14 | * vagrantc passes the buck | |
| 06:14 | <Darke-_> but coulnt in the exisiting network.. cuz we already have a running dhcp pxe server etc
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| 06:15 | and i had the ltsp server on vmware.. so it had to be in that network :) but now i made a lil lab network with 1 server and one client.
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| 06:15 | but ill try ssh any sec on.
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| 06:19 | <Darke-_> vagrantc: yes
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| 06:19 | it works
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| 06:20 | as i said, last time i changed a few tings in gdm.conf.. but thats with gdm and ltsp4 so..
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| 06:20 | <vagrantc> yes, gdm is not used at all for this.
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| 06:20 | all LDM is is a wrapper around "ssh -X" really.
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| 06:21 | so ... try "ssh -X xeyes"
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| 06:21 | <Darke-_> i havnt ran build client script but.. since its edubuntu 6.10 i should not have to do that.
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| 06:21 | <vagrantc> Darke-_: what's in the /opt/ltsp directory?
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| 06:22 | <Darke-_> an i386 filesystem
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| 06:24 | hmm, i could log on as root now oO
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| 06:24 | well that means its working :P ill have a look on it.
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| 06:37 | <Darke-_> ogra: what do i need to do in order to get the sound to play localy ?
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| 06:38 | (on the client, rather then the server)
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| 06:40 | * vagrantc thinks setting SOUND=True in /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf should work. | |
| 06:40 | <ogra> cp /usr/share/edubuntu-artwork/lts.conf /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/
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| 06:40 | <Darke-_> ok, ill check it out.
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| 06:40 | <ogra> err
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| 06:40 | <Darke-_> oO
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| 06:40 | <ogra> sudo cp /usr/share/edubuntu-artwork/lts.conf /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/
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| 06:40 | ;)
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| 06:40 | <Darke-_> ;P
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| 06:40 | * vagrantc defers to ogra | |
| 06:40 | <ogra> or even better: sudo dpkg-reconfigure -pcritical edubuntu-artwork
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| 06:40 | <vagrantc> ogra: why on earth is that in an edubuntu-artwork directory? :P
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| 06:41 | <Darke-_> yea :P
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| 06:41 | <ogra> edubuntu-artwork is also the edubuntu-settings package, i'm about to split them
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| 06:41 | <Darke-_> and simply just reconnect the client ?
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| 06:41 | <ogra> the changes to the settings were to minor until edgy to justify a complete package
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| 06:41 | reboot the client
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| 06:42 | it sets the bootsplash and ldm themes as well
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| 06:43 | <vagrantc> ok, well that's enough pleading with all the translators to update the ltsp translations for one day... :)
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| 06:45 | <ogra> vagrantc, http://www.netsplit.com/blog/articles/2006/12/14/upstart-0-3 ;)
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| 06:45 | * vagrantc is almost unable to think clearly anymore | |
| 06:46 | <ogra> just keep the bookmark
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| 06:46 | it explains the upstart syntax
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| 06:46 | <vagrantc> ah, i saw that on planet.debian.net
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| 06:46 | <ogra> oh207, i thought Keybug left debian ...
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| 06:46 | intresting that they keep his blog :)
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| 06:47 | <vagrantc> maybe it only gets removed if requested...
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| 06:47 | <ogra> intresting ...
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| 06:47 | * vagrantc jus recently started reading it | |
| 06:47 | <jammcq> ogra: Good morning
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| 06:47 | and good morning to vagranc too
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| 06:47 | <ogra> hey jammcq
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| 06:48 | <vagrantc> the roosters are calling ... but sunrise is still a bit off, methinks.
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| 06:48 | <jammcq> oooh, it's early for vagrantc
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| 06:48 | <vagrantc> more accurately, it's really, really late.
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| 06:49 | <jammcq> heh
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| 06:49 | <ogra> *g*
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| 06:50 | <Darke-_> ogra: well the sound was played localy before when it comes to OS sounds.
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| 06:51 | But the potato guy still plays its sounds on the server
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| 06:51 | :D
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| 06:51 | (the kid game)
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| 06:51 | <ogra> OS sounds and every default app (totem/rhythmbox) should use local sound ...
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| 06:52 | the potato guy is a KDE app, you need to set KDE to use esd in kcontrol ...
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| 06:52 | <Darke-_> =P
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| 06:52 | will do, must play potato guy :)
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| 06:53 | <ogra> heh
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| 06:59 | <str4nd> hmm, how long takes edgy+ltsp5 install?
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| 06:59 | not upgrade
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| 07:12 | <cliebow_> gogle.com
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| 08:45 | <jammcq> hey all
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| 09:17 | <cliebow_> jammcq!!!!!!!!!!!!
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| 09:21 | <PMantis> Jimmy
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| 09:55 | <efra> Morning everybody
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| 10:01 | <Petaris> morning efra
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| 11:46 | <joebaker> For Ubuntu LTSP servers is it better to stay with the latest LTS release or the latest 6 month release? I'm thinking that for a desktop OS it is better to go with the latest 6 month release.
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| 11:52 | Googling showed me that LTS (long term support) releases about every 3-4 normal releases or about every 2-3 years.
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| 12:17 | <Psych0> hi there
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| 12:19 | i'm creating a script rule to make the server backup.. i wanna know if there is a way to display a message on a specific terminal when it's done....
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| 12:25 | <mrlinux> how do i check what ip's my dhcp server is leasing
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| 12:36 | <Psych0> nobody knows how to display a message on a specific TC?
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| 12:42 | <sbalneav> I DID IT!!!!
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| 12:43 | I upgraded an entire provice in 3 weeks.
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| 12:43 | <Petaris> sbalneav: way to go
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| 15:04 | <raroth42> hi all, I've just set up a Edubuntu ltsp server - and it won't let me log in from a client - i get the log in screen, but then a little x-hair mouse cursor on a black screen and then back to the login screen - any ideas?
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| 15:05 | <LordVorp> can't launch the window manager?
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| 15:05 | <raroth42> could well be - get the x-hair, then a little clock icon, then back to the login
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| 15:05 | <vagrantc> raroth42: sudo ltsp-update-sshkeys
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| 15:05 | raroth42: and then try to log in again
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| 15:06 | <raroth42> back in a moment...
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| 15:08 | vagrantc - thank you - I'll write up my adventures on the wiki :-)
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| 15:08 | * vagrantc tries | |
| 15:09 | <vagrantc> !topics
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| 15:09 | <ltspbot> vagrantc: "topics" is To get a list of topics, type ltspbot: factoids search --values
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| 15:09 | <vagrantc> ltspbot: factoids search --values
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| 15:09 | <ltspbot> vagrantc: 'ltsp', 'ubuntu', 'sbalneav', 'icewm', 'frappr', 'wiki', 'debian', 'edubuntu', 'dhcpd', 'greyscreen', 'greyscreen', 'grayscreen', 'pastebot', 'ltsp42', 'localdev', 'checklist', 'muekow', 'bestltspdistro', 'serversize', 'serversizing', 'wireless', 'ltsp5', 'sound', 'topics', and 'ubuntuquick'
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| 15:09 | <vagrantc> !ubuntu
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| 15:09 | <ltspbot> vagrantc: "ubuntu" is a Debian based GNU/Linux distrubution that includes a Ubuntu specific version of LTSP. It can be found at http://www.ubuntulinux.org
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| 16:49 | <raroth41> ok - server working beautifully - thanks :-) I have strange office to sort and they seem to delight in using shared email boxes... Can anyone point me to somewhere that I can find out how to configure email delivery to multiple users?
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| 17:26 | <shogunx> raroth41 use .forward inthe users home directory
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| 17:28 | bah, he left.
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| 18:10 | <Snerf> anyone here for any help
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| 18:38 | <cliebow> there.ssssssssssssssssssss jammcq
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| 18:38 | <jammcq> Hey chuckie
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| 18:38 | <cliebow> whoops
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| 18:38 | !
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| 18:39 | ok so my mom called me chuckie..but that was 50 yearsa ago
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| 18:45 | what is new and interesting??
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| 18:53 | <jammcq> well, not much
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| 18:53 | i'm gonna try and spend more time this evening cleaning up the website
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| 19:16 | <Snerf> i setup ltsp and then logon to win2003 server using rdesktop,and I am trying to get the local floppy to be accessable. not having any luck at all. any pointers?
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| 19:40 | <cliebow> snerf:i cant help much,but know enough that you are asking an awful lot
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| 19:41 | you have localdevices functioning properly?
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| 19:50 | <cory> W00t!
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| 19:51 | <Snerf> well, i realize its asking alot. But I am completely stuck, i cant get anywhere with it, and the docs seem to only be of i login to a linux server, not a windows one
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| 19:52 | <cory> a technical school I support gave me 3 old p1 systems with 100mbs NICs so I set them up as a multihead display using ltsp + gdm autologin and x2x
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| 19:55 | <cliebow> if you are using ltsp-4.2 localadev support is based on fuse mounting of a filesystem by the linux server..i dont believe rdp will have any concept of this
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| 19:56 | * cliebow cliebow waits to be slapped with wet haddock | |
| 19:56 | <cory> LOL
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| 19:56 | <cliebow> packnig ti n..too much head pounding todaya
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| 19:57 | cory:good stuff
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| 19:57 | <daniQ> night
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| 19:57 | <Snerf> ya thats what I figured.. is there any possible way, or should I just not bother
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| 20:00 | <cory> cliebow:thx
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| 20:24 | <Gadi> Snerf: are u trying to do RDP+localdev on LTSP 4.2?
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| 20:24 | * Gadi just got back to my 'puter | |
| 20:25 | <Gadi> if so, go to the WorkInProgress section of the LTSP wiki
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| 20:25 | there's a package I put together to do just that
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| 20:25 | <jammcq> ah, leave it to Gadi to show how it's done
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| 20:26 | <Gadi> that was the question, right?
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| 20:26 | * Gadi hates missing the opening credits | |
| 20:26 | <Gadi> if not, never mind
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| 20:27 | I'll go back to my chorees
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| 20:27 | er, chores
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| 20:27 | oh, the package is in the classic style of "Gadi, that's not very elegant!" but it gets the job done
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| 20:30 | <Snerf> i am not using 4.2 as of yet, still with 4.1
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| 20:30 | <Gadi> ah, then its even easier
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| 20:31 | run an rdesktop screen script as so: rdesktop -r disk:drives=/tmp/drives <IP>
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| 20:31 | <Snerf> doh.. why didnt i think of that...
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| 20:31 | <Gadi> :)
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| 20:32 | of course you want to put the whole thing in double quotes
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| 20:32 | <Snerf> i know :)
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| 20:33 | <Gadi> see, that's my role in this development team - to bastardize LTSP for things people *really* want to use it for ;)
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| 20:33 | <Snerf> with the /tmp/drives, is there any special thing I need to setup to get those showing? in the lts.conf ?
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| 20:34 | <Gadi> just the usual as you would for linux
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| 20:34 | HOTPLUG = Y
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| 20:34 | and friends
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| 20:34 | <Snerf> ya, I got the hotplug one, and the LOCAL_DEVICE ones
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| 20:34 | * Gadi thinks jammcq added my rdesktop patch in 4.1 | |
| 20:35 | <Gadi> to make RDP not complain about drive space when writing to the disks
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| 20:35 | but, if not, let me know
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| 20:35 | <Snerf> gonna try and get usb sticks to work as well, is that also do-able?
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| 20:36 | <Gadi> or, you can grab that pkg for 4.2 from the wiki, unpack the tarball, and install the ltsp-rdesktop one
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| 20:36 | definitely
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| 20:36 | my livelihood depends on it
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| 20:36 | f'in users
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| 20:36 | I mean, loving customers
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| 20:36 | <Snerf> hehe.. well, its teachers with me :)
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| 20:37 | <Gadi> ah, teachers - bless em all
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| 20:37 | for without teachers, the world would fall
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| 20:38 | now, a better question is, why does my ISP's spam filter not block emails with the Subject being the first name of the Sender
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| 20:38 | I mean, really
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| 20:38 | do you need a computer to know that's spam?
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| 21:32 | <cory> Whats the most creative use of ltsp reported to date?
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| 23:24 | <cory> I posted a couple pics of my ltsp server and 3 clients acting as multiple desktops using x2x
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| 23:24 | http://www.oldfordroad.ca/?q=node/3
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