IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.libera.chat (webchat)
Channel log from 17 August 2008 (all times are UTC)
| 00:26 | <dberkholz> johnny: i'm gonna grab your ltsp branch and look at everything, then commit my quickstart caching changes, then assuming it's good, push it all and give you commit access to do the next set
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| 00:26 | johnny: i'm gonna grab your ltsp branch and look at everything, then commit my quickstart caching changes, then assuming it's good, push it all and give you commit access to do the next set
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| 00:28 | <johnny> ok
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| 00:28 | ok
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| 00:28 | cuz i want to be able to work on the local apps stuff next, but need to have my stuff merged for that to happen
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| 00:28 | cuz i want to be able to work on the local apps stuff next, but need to have my stuff merged for that to happen
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| 00:29 | also.. it seems that we need to adjust something for newer ldm
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| 00:29 | also.. it seems that we need to adjust something for newer ldm
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| 00:29 | the gnome session didn't open anymore
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| 00:29 | the gnome session didn't open anymore
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| 00:29 | i'm going to try to force LDM_SESSION in lts.conf to prove it
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| 00:29 | i'm going to try to force LDM_SESSION in lts.conf to prove it
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| 05:15 | <Q-FUNK> anybody using Geode GX2 hardware on Ubuntu/Hardy that can comment on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-geode/+bug/255991
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| 05:15 | anybody using Geode GX2 hardware on Ubuntu/Hardy that can comment on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-geode/+bug/255991
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| 08:04 | <Nick_Hill> ogra, We discussed a strange situationt he other day when my LTSP server appeared only to log me in after reboot on a new user account.
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| 08:04 | ogra, We discussed a strange situationt he other day when my LTSP server appeared only to log me in after reboot on a new user account.
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| 08:04 | It appears I have an intermittent problem, which presented itself as fixing a user account log-ina fter reboot.
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| 08:04 | It appears I have an intermittent problem, which presented itself as fixing a user account log-ina fter reboot.
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| 08:06 | Basically, I can log into any user account locally. I can try logging in remotely. Sometimes I can, sometimes I can't
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| 08:06 | Basically, I can log into any user account locally. I can try logging in remotely. Sometimes I can, sometimes I can't
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| 08:06 | After putting sshd into DEBUG mode, I can see it is receiving a SIGCHILD then shutting down the connection.
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| 08:06 | After putting sshd into DEBUG mode, I can see it is receiving a SIGCHILD then shutting down the connection.
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| 08:08 | Where will the SIGCHILD likely be propagating from, and how can I debug this?
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| 08:08 | Where will the SIGCHILD likely be propagating from, and how can I debug this?
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| 08:35 | <Nick_Hill> I am getting 1 out of 9 accounts able to log in via LTSP
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| 08:35 | I am getting 1 out of 9 accounts able to log in via LTSP
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| 08:36 | On another thought, my log-in screen is giving the wrong time. LTSP is great as you don;t need to individually manage thin clients. The this clients are essentially stateless. Adding a clock to the log-in screen with time derived from the thin clients breaks this, and adds state and management requirement to the thin clients. The clocks on the clients need to work, and be maintained.
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| 08:36 | On another thought, my log-in screen is giving the wrong time. LTSP is great as you don;t need to individually manage thin clients. The this clients are essentially stateless. Adding a clock to the log-in screen with time derived from the thin clients breaks this, and adds state and management requirement to the thin clients. The clocks on the clients need to work, and be maintained.
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| 08:36 | s/this/thin
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| 08:36 | s/this/thin
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| 08:38 | I feel the clock should be disabled, by default, from the log-in screen, or be derived from the server.
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| 08:38 | I feel the clock should be disabled, by default, from the log-in screen, or be derived from the server.
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| 09:40 | <edoardo> You guys.
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| 09:40 | You guys.
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| 09:40 | In ltsp.conf, can I tell a thin-client to mount a local hard-drive?
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| 09:40 | In ltsp.conf, can I tell a thin-client to mount a local hard-drive?
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| 09:41 | By which I mean, an HD on the actual thin-client?
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| 09:41 | By which I mean, an HD on the actual thin-client?
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| 10:01 | -quit
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| 16:47 | <warren> doh
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| 16:47 | doh
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| 16:48 | my nbdswapd's aren't dying on their own
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| 16:48 | my nbdswapd's aren't dying on their own
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| 17:07 | <warren> oh. keepalive will only kill it after 7200 seconds it seems.
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| 17:07 | oh. keepalive will only kill it after 7200 seconds it seems.
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| 17:07 | 2 hours
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| 17:07 | 2 hours
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| 17:27 | <edoardo> You guys.
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| 17:27 | You guys.
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| 17:27 | I installed kiwi-ltsp on Suse.
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| 17:27 | I installed kiwi-ltsp on Suse.
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| 17:28 | and it installed fine.
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| 17:28 | and it installed fine.
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| 17:28 | I ran kiwi-ltsp-setup -c
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| 17:28 | I ran kiwi-ltsp-setup -c
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| 17:28 | It took like 3 seconds, but bear in mind that I got a powerful server.
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| 17:28 | It took like 3 seconds, but bear in mind that I got a powerful server.
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| 17:28 | Anyway, I try to netboot a client, and dhcp works fine.
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| 17:28 | Anyway, I try to netboot a client, and dhcp works fine.
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| 17:28 | TFTP seems to be working, too, and the client tries to access pxelinux.cfg/ffffff-ffff-ffff-ffffff
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| 17:28 | TFTP seems to be working, too, and the client tries to access pxelinux.cfg/ffffff-ffff-ffff-ffffff
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| 17:29 | Then it just hangs there.
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| 17:29 | Then it just hangs there.
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| 17:29 | Why is the UUID set to all F's?
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| 17:29 | Why is the UUID set to all F's?
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| 17:29 | How can I edit options for an image?
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| 17:29 | How can I edit options for an image?
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| 17:29 | I think that the one created automatically isn't really working.
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| 17:29 | I think that the one created automatically isn't really working.
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| 17:30 | Thanks.
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| 17:30 | Thanks.
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| 20:50 | <edoardo> You guys.
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| 20:50 | You guys.
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| 20:51 | I am expriencing serious trouble running kiwi-ltsp.
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| 20:51 | I am expriencing serious trouble running kiwi-ltsp.
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| 20:51 | Anyone awake?
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| 20:51 | Anyone awake?
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| 20:51 | I posted a question today, to no answer : (
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| 20:51 | I posted a question today, to no answer : (
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| 21:53 | <warren> where does Ubuntu put the nbdroot image files?
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| 21:53 | where does Ubuntu put the nbdroot image files?
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| 22:02 | /bin/nbd-server 0 $1 -r -C /dev/null > /dev/null 2>&1
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| 22:02 | /bin/nbd-server 0 $1 -r -C /dev/null > /dev/null 2>&1
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| 22:03 | this is the only thing in /usr/sbin/nbdrootd
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| 22:03 | this is the only thing in /usr/sbin/nbdrootd
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| 22:03 | where does it get that $1 arg from?
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| 22:03 | where does it get that $1 arg from?
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| 22:29 | <davidj> When should ltspbr be brought up after an install?
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| 22:29 | When should ltspbr be brought up after an install?
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| 22:30 | Should we should put an "ifup ltspbr" in the postinstall script?
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| 22:30 | Should we should put an "ifup ltspbr" in the postinstall script?
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| 22:31 | <davidj> A question for warren when he gets back: Should we should put an "ifup ltspbr" in the postinstall script?
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| 22:31 | A question for warren when he gets back: Should we should put an "ifup ltspbr" in the postinstall script?
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| 22:31 | <warren> davidj: that is a little evil
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| 22:31 | davidj: that is a little evil
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| 22:31 | davidj: but perhaps we should do it...
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| 22:31 | davidj: but perhaps we should do it...
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| 22:32 | davidj: ok, i'll make it do it only on initial install, not upgrade.
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| 22:32 | davidj: ok, i'll make it do it only on initial install, not upgrade.
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| 22:32 | davidj: it should be running by default if you reboot anyhow
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| 22:32 | davidj: it should be running by default if you reboot anyhow
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| 22:33 | <davidj> Yes, it should do it if you reboot, but I wonder if we should require a reboot after an initial install.
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| 22:33 | Yes, it should do it if you reboot, but I wonder if we should require a reboot after an initial install.
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| 22:33 | <davidj> Why do you think it's evil?
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| 22:33 | Why do you think it's evil?
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| 22:34 | <warren> davidj: some network setups will conflict with it causing an error message on install
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| 22:34 | davidj: some network setups will conflict with it causing an error message on install
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| 22:34 | davidj: and stupid people will try to install every package and have an unnecessary bridge
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| 22:34 | davidj: and stupid people will try to install every package and have an unnecessary bridge
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| 22:34 | <davidj> Ah, a good point. I'm probably up too late to be coding... ;-)
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| 22:34 | Ah, a good point. I'm probably up too late to be coding... ;-)
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| 22:34 | <warren> but they're stupid
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| 22:34 | but they're stupid
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| 22:34 | davidj: what is your interest in LTSP5 for Fedora?
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| 22:34 | davidj: what is your interest in LTSP5 for Fedora?
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| 22:34 | davidj: if you know this much, then maybe you could join the dev team.
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| 22:34 | davidj: if you know this much, then maybe you could join the dev team.
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| 22:34 | I'm doing 99% of the work...
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| 22:34 | I'm doing 99% of the work...
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| 22:35 | <davidj> I helped Scotty with ltsp4, and you and I met in Maine last fall.
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| 22:35 | I helped Scotty with ltsp4, and you and I met in Maine last fall.
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| 22:35 | Sorry I've been so quiet lately.
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| 22:35 | Sorry I've been so quiet lately.
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| 22:35 | <warren> davidj: tried the Live LTSP Server beta image?
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| 22:35 | davidj: tried the Live LTSP Server beta image?
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| 22:35 | <davidj> I'm trying to make up for lost time
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| 22:35 | I'm trying to make up for lost time
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| 22:35 | Not yet
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| 22:35 | Not yet
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| 22:35 | <warren> read the announcement though?
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| 22:35 | read the announcement though?
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| 22:36 | <davidj> Read it a few minutes ago.
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| 22:36 | Read it a few minutes ago.
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| 22:36 | <warren> since then I fixed an enormous pile of bugs and added more missing features
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| 22:36 | since then I fixed an enormous pile of bugs and added more missing features
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| 22:36 | so there will be a Beta 2
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| 22:36 | so there will be a Beta 2
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| 22:36 | <davidj> I've reinstalled this machine three or four times attempting to find problems with the install.
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| 22:36 | I've reinstalled this machine three or four times attempting to find problems with the install.
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| 22:38 | <warren> davidj: ok, I set it to ifup ltspbr0 upon initial package install
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| 22:38 | davidj: ok, I set it to ifup ltspbr0 upon initial package install
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| 22:38 | davidj: the next build will be in a few days
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| 22:38 | davidj: the next build will be in a few days
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| 22:38 | <davidj> In the past, I've see many things work only because other things were done earlier, so I try to do clean installs
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| 22:38 | In the past, I've see many things work only because other things were done earlier, so I try to do clean installs
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| 22:38 | I'm glad I could help.
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| 22:38 | I'm glad I could help.
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| 22:38 | <warren> davidj: please do test the live ltsp server image and give me feedback
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| 22:38 | davidj: please do test the live ltsp server image and give me feedback
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| 22:38 | <davidj> I'll try to get the beta 2 tested when you post it.
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| 22:38 | I'll try to get the beta 2 tested when you post it.
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| 22:39 | In the meantime I'm trying to demo ltsp5 to a client with 200 Citrix clients.
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| 22:39 | In the meantime I'm trying to demo ltsp5 to a client with 200 Citrix clients.
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| 22:39 | <warren> davidj: I put a README on the desktop of the live image. Perhaps the instructions could be made simpler but I need other people to actually look at it and give me feedback.
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| 22:39 | davidj: I put a README on the desktop of the live image. Perhaps the instructions could be made simpler but I need other people to actually look at it and give me feedback.
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| 22:40 | <davidj> OK, I'll try the live image out tomorrow.
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| 22:40 | OK, I'll try the live image out tomorrow.
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| 22:40 | <warren> I'm thinking about writing a GUI chooser for the admin to choose an ethX interface to attach to the bridge.
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| 22:40 | I'm thinking about writing a GUI chooser for the admin to choose an ethX interface to attach to the bridge.
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| 22:40 | and this chooser will refuse to add an interface if it detects a dhcp server on that segment
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| 22:40 | and this chooser will refuse to add an interface if it detects a dhcp server on that segment
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| 22:42 | <davidj> How would you handle complex setups, such as when someone deliberately has dhcpd on another machine, or has a failover dhcpd setup?
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| 22:42 | How would you handle complex setups, such as when someone deliberately has dhcpd on another machine, or has a failover dhcpd setup?
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| 22:43 | <warren> davidj: the chooser is only for the simple case
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| 22:43 | davidj: the chooser is only for the simple case
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| 22:43 | more complex setups require manual configuration
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| 22:43 | more complex setups require manual configuration
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| 22:43 | <davidj> k
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| 22:43 | k
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| 22:44 | <warren> davidj: the live ltsp server is so easy to setup, except choosing a network interface is the only hard (and dangerous) part
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| 22:44 | davidj: the live ltsp server is so easy to setup, except choosing a network interface is the only hard (and dangerous) part
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| 22:44 | <davidj> Is the beta1 iso in bittorrent? Dowload is estimated to take 7 hours here.
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| 22:44 | Is the beta1 iso in bittorrent? Dowload is estimated to take 7 hours here.
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| 22:44 | <warren> really? hm
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| 22:44 | really? hm
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| 22:45 | no, that's the only place currently
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| 22:45 | no, that's the only place currently
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| 22:45 | I get like 900KB/sec download from there
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| 22:45 | I get like 900KB/sec download from there
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| 22:45 | <davidj> Maybe everyone else is getting it now, too.
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| 22:45 | Maybe everyone else is getting it now, too.
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| 22:45 | <warren> no, all of the fedora servers are down, so traffic should be very light
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| 22:45 | no, all of the fedora servers are down, so traffic should be very light
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| 22:45 | and we had only 300 downloads in the first few days
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| 22:45 | and we had only 300 downloads in the first few days
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| 22:45 | <davidj> I'm out in the country at the moment, I'm greatful I'm not on a 16Kbaud dialup.
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| 22:45 | I'm out in the country at the moment, I'm greatful I'm not on a 16Kbaud dialup.
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| 22:46 | <warren> where are you?
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| 22:46 | where are you?
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| 22:46 | <davidj> I'm getting 76Kb/s a the moment
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| 22:46 | I'm getting 76Kb/s a the moment
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| 22:46 | In the mountains of North Carolina. Going back to the city early tomorrow, should have better bandwidth there.
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| 22:46 | In the mountains of North Carolina. Going back to the city early tomorrow, should have better bandwidth there.
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| 22:47 | <warren> btw, do you know Michael Williams?
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| 22:47 | btw, do you know Michael Williams?
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| 22:47 | he's another educator in North Carolina
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| 22:47 | he's another educator in North Carolina
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| 22:48 | <davidj> Just watched the moon rising over the mountain, it reminds be of the picture Eric Harrison took of the night sky over the pond at the Seawall.
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| 22:48 | Just watched the moon rising over the mountain, it reminds be of the picture Eric Harrison took of the night sky over the pond at the Seawall.
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| 22:48 | <warren> owner of k12linux.org
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| 22:48 | owner of k12linux.org
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| 22:48 | <davidj> No, I don't know Michael.
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| 22:48 | No, I don't know Michael.
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| 22:50 | According to whois, he's in Clyde, which is about 2 hours from here.
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| 22:50 | According to whois, he's in Clyde, which is about 2 hours from here.
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| 22:50 | I'd be glad to call him if you'd like.
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| 22:50 | I'd be glad to call him if you'd like.
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| 22:51 | but you might get more traction if you asked Eric to call him.
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| 22:51 | but you might get more traction if you asked Eric to call him.
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| 22:53 | warren, bedtime for me, I have to get up in 6 hours. Will you be around tomorrow?
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| 22:53 | warren, bedtime for me, I have to get up in 6 hours. Will you be around tomorrow?
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| 22:54 | <warren> Eric and Paul Nelson have been in contact with him
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| 22:54 | Eric and Paul Nelson have been in contact with him
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| 22:54 | It is possible that he changed his mind and he is just not interested in giving us the domain name
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| 22:54 | It is possible that he changed his mind and he is just not interested in giving us the domain name
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| 22:54 | if that is the case, then we have to rename the project
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| 22:54 | if that is the case, then we have to rename the project
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| 22:55 | <davidj> edu-dora?
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| 22:55 | edu-dora?
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| 22:55 | (that's a joke, please don't take it seriously!)
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| 22:55 | (that's a joke, please don't take it seriously!)
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| 22:55 | <warren> we might use K12LTSP if we can't use k12linux
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| 22:55 | we might use K12LTSP if we can't use k12linux
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| 22:56 | <davidj> I'm punchy. When the bad jokes start, it's time for me to quit for the day. Talk to you tomorrow.
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| 22:56 | I'm punchy. When the bad jokes start, it's time for me to quit for the day. Talk to you tomorrow.
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| 22:56 | <warren> K12LTSP based on v4.2 will be called "Legacy" then
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| 22:56 | K12LTSP based on v4.2 will be called "Legacy" then
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| 22:59 | <davidj> Do you want me to contact Michael and ask him if he's just been busy or if he's changed his mind?
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| 22:59 | Do you want me to contact Michael and ask him if he's just been busy or if he's changed his mind?
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| 23:02 | <babyhuey> ok, so i just installed thin-client-manager. How do i open it? there is nothing that is called thin-client-manager
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| 23:02 | ok, so i just installed thin-client-manager. How do i open it? there is nothing that is called thin-client-manager
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| 23:04 | <warren> davidj: no, I'm waiting for his response
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| 23:04 | davidj: no, I'm waiting for his response
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| 23:04 | davidj: he indnicated thursday that he wants to talk
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| 23:04 | davidj: he indnicated thursday that he wants to talk
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