IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.libera.chat (webchat)
Channel log from 8 November 2006 (all times are UTC)
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| 00:52 | <rz90000> hi
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| 00:52 | hello
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| 00:54 | anyone know how to send text messages to another user using ltsp terminal?
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| 06:56 | <bronze> "talk"
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| 06:56 | or "write"
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| 06:56 | or echo > /dev/tty of your choice
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| 07:12 | <cliebow> moquist: ill post them on the wiki in win integration
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| 07:16 | <patrickb> has anyone had any experience with the compaq/HP evo t20 thin clients with LTSP? do they work?
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| 07:20 | <cliebow> patrickb: do they do pxe?
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| 07:25 | <Faithful> I just bought a new WD SATAII 320GB Enterprise disk and it is running so hot you can't touch it... what do you think?
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| 07:30 | <patrickb> that doesn't seem right Faithful.....
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| 09:05 | <gentgeen__> Anyone here happen to have IPcop as the DHCP server, Debian as the LTSP client, and have PXE boot working? I can't seem to get PXE boot to work
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| 09:06 | <patrickb> genteen: i have not used IPCop as a DHCP server...so i do not know how configurable it is...but i do have a DHCP server seperate from my LTSP server
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| 09:06 | 16:03 < patrickb> wrong window
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| 09:10 | <cliebow> gentgeen:_ ipcop will let you pass a filename option?
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| 09:15 | <gentgeen__> cliebow, yes it does
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| 09:15 | I see the client start up, gets getway info, then I see
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| 09:16 | TFTP. . .
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| 09:16 | <cliebow> how about next-server option?
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| 09:16 | <gentgeen__> but nothing... then it just boots from the internal HD
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| 09:16 | yep, got that in the config also
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| 09:17 | <cliebow> ubuntu or other?..just wonder what is assumed as part of the path to pxelinux
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| 09:18 | <gentgeen__> I have 3 other clients that all have /tftpboot/lts/2.6.17.3-ltsp-1/pxelinux.0 in the filename area... the clients use a harddrive boot (via wizzy toms root boot disk)
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| 09:18 | Debian Testing system
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| 09:19 | all clients have the /tftpboot/lts/2.6.17.3-ltsp-1/pxelinux.0 as filename -- 192.168.74.3:/opt/ltsp/i386 as root path -- 192.168.74.3 as next-server
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| 09:20 | I am thinking I don't have PXE boot set up on the server correctly, but everything I look at says I do have it right
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| 09:20 | <cliebow> jammcq had me manually use tftp to check that piece..i dont remember just how i did that now
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| 09:21 | <McPolo> tftp , connect (localhost), get path/filename ?
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| 09:26 | <gentgeen__> OK, I did "tftp connect localhost" and I have a tftp> prompt....
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| 09:26 | <McPolo> Yep, you have to insert command separately
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| 09:26 | That's why i put commas and stuff.
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| 09:27 | tftp (enter) connect(enter) host_of_tftp (enter) get path/filename (like 2.6.17.3-ltsp-1/pxelinux.0)
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| 09:28 | That was the way the ubuntu tftp worked.
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| 09:30 | <gentgeen__> OK, that worked
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| 09:30 | I was able to get a file from within the /tftpboot/
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| 09:30 | so I can assume that TFTP (and therefore PXE) is set up right?
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| 09:30 | <McPolo> It depends ofcourse what is the root directory of the tftp-daemon.
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| 09:32 | <gentgeen__> should I remove it from the dhcp path?
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| 09:32 | /tftpboot/ is the root directory
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| 09:33 | sorry, the second line did not go through originally :-)
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| 09:37 | <cliebow> gentgeen_:you should see \how tftp is initiated...what -s parameter given tftpboot to start looking for info
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| 09:38 | <gentgeen__> cat /etc/default/tftpd-hpa
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| 09:38 | #Defaults for tftpd-hpa
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| 09:38 | RUN_DAEMON="yes"
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| 09:38 | OPTIONS="-l -s /var/lib/tftpboot"
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| 09:39 | with /var/lib/tftpboot being a simlink to /tftboot
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| 09:39 | correction /tftpboot
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| 09:51 | <gentgeen__> UGH... I added -vv to the /etc/default/tftpd-hpa OPTIONS ... Thinking I would atleast get some output, but don't see anything
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| 11:35 | <Shane-S> questions, on my TC I can connect to my server (which is running the most recent K12ltsp) via a crossover cable perfectly. I plug it into a typical plug and play Switch, and it gets a DHCP address, starts to boot, then after the mouse drive line I get...
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| 11:35 | Error! dhcpcd failed! <new line> Kernel Panic - not syncing: Attempted to kill init!
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| 11:36 | now I am tailing with -f /var/log/messages
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| 11:36 | and I see nothing about it, other then it gave the bootdhcp command, nothing about a failure
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| 11:37 | <Shane-S> so I plugged the crossover back into the client direct to the server and it boots fine...no clue why a switch is failing, when its gets a DHCP address fine
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| 11:37 | could the server nic be broken, and a crossover makes it work, cause I tried the crossover into the switch (its auto-sensing/adjusting) and I got a link light with it and a standard cable. same error regardless
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| 11:38 | I know this switch is a good switch it was used a replacement switch when we have a v-laned switch die, we tossed this P&P switch in with a crossover and it got our users back online with touching its configurations from dell.
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| 11:55 | <g333k> Hello, I'm having problems with latin american keyboards I cannot get the characthers with the combination of: ALT Gr+ <any key>, any clue?
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| 15:18 | <antoinog> Hey everyone
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| 15:22 | <cliebow> bbiab
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| 15:23 | <joebaker> Hello
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| 15:24 | What happened to the main ltsp site. It looks like it redirects over to the wiki now when loading http://www.ltsp.org
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| 15:24 | That's not a bad thing.
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| 15:24 | <antoinog> Does anyone know if you can run ltsp over the internet, not on a lan etc.
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| 15:24 | <joebaker> Just different and unexpected.
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| 15:25 | antoniog: I'd use something like Nomachine.com for over the Internet work.
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| 15:25 | antoniog: They do protocol compression that makes very efficient use of bandwidth.
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| 15:26 | It's all encapsulated in ssl too.
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| 15:27 | <antoinog> Well I was thinking of an idea where I would rent people in the same city thin clients, so with broadband it'd be ok
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| 15:27 | i just wondered does the architecture support non lan
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| 15:27 | test
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| 15:28 | test
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| 15:28 | sorry about the underline
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| 15:29 | would a thin client capable of nomachine require more than ltsp client?
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| 15:43 | <joebaker> LTSP over the Internet... Not really. Protocols like DHCP and NFS are too transparent to be used securely. Give them a bootable KNOPPIX disk with the NoMachine client on it and have them connect to your server. NoMachine is the way to go for that sort of venture. (antoniog)
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| 16:29 | <jammcq> Scotty !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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| 16:29 | <sbalneav> Hello!
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| 16:29 | <jammcq> hey
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| 16:31 | <pscheie> jammcq & sbalneav: is anyone going to write up a summary of what you guys did at your codefest for us spectators?
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| 16:35 | <sbalneav> pscheie: I think so
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| 16:35 | We could post something to -discuss, or the like.
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| 16:35 | <jammcq> pscheie: most of what we did over the weekend was clean up the website. expect to see that get launched "real soon now"
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| 16:35 | <sbalneav> :)
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| 16:35 | <pscheie> which part, the older part or the wiki?
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| 16:37 | <jammcq> yes
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| 16:38 | <pscheie> Personally, I like the look of the wiki but it's sometimes harder to find things
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| 16:38 | <jammcq> the look won't change so much
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| 16:38 | <jammcq> just the organization of the content
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| 16:40 | <pscheie> witness the bit about the NFS block size problem you helped me with last week
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| 16:41 | and how I was looking at one page on the wiki and you were looking at another
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| 16:44 | <cliebow_> pscheie: most of what we did was gorge ourselves on prime rib..chicken in bacon lamb sirloin
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| 16:45 | and we earned it
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| 16:49 | <pscheie> cliebow: earned how? Washing dishes afterward? ;-)
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| 16:49 | Gadi: I'm still trying to understand why your sound package works on my Dell laptops.
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| 16:50 | Is OSS 'old' and ALSA 'new', and your esd just bridges that somehow?
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| 16:51 | And do Pulse and gstreamer make that all immaterial once apps start using them?
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| 16:54 | <jammcq> gadi says it works, cuz of the "mojo"
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| 16:54 | <Gadi> heh
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| 16:54 | pscheie: basically, it comes down to this:
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| 16:55 | esd can be compiled for OSS or ALSA but not both
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| 16:55 | LTSP ships esd compiled for OSS
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| 16:55 | so, it only works with OSS drivers or OSS-emulation for ALSA drivers
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| 16:55 | my package has esd compiled against ALSA
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| 16:56 | so, it only works with the ALSA drivers
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| 16:58 | <pscheie> jammcq: what was the file you had me look in where we found the module for my maestro3 chip was called snd-maestro3 instead of just maestro3?
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| 16:58 | * jammcq wonders what would happen if LTSP supplied 2 esd binaries. one for oss, and another for alsa | |
| 17:01 | <Gadi> pscheie: all ALSA sound modules have a "snd-" prefix
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| 17:01 | OSS ones have no prefix
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| 17:04 | <jammcq> pscheie: that would have been audiolist
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| 17:04 | <pscheie> Right; but there was some command that Jim had me run that showed it was trying to load a driver named maestro3, which explained why it was failing
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| 17:05 | but I can't remember the command, and I want to add it to my notes for future reference.
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| 17:05 | <jammcq> oh, on the client, you need to run something like:
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| 17:05 | getltscfg /etc/audiolist
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| 17:05 | <Gadi> not pci-scan /etc/audiolist?
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| 17:05 | <jammcq> umm, yeah, that's it
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| 17:05 | that's exactly it
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| 17:06 | * jammcq had a brain fart | |
| 17:06 | <Gadi> thats one way to clear a room ;)
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| 17:06 | man, this beryl stuff slows down my interface
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| 17:06 | * Gadi needs to tweak.... | |
| 17:06 | <pscheie> what's beryl?
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| 17:07 | <Gadi> its a composition manager
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| 17:07 | basically, it makes your desktop do funky eye-candy things
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| 17:07 | like rotate as a cube
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| 17:07 | or animate windows
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| 17:08 | * Gadi is running a rather old laptop atm | |
| 17:10 | <pscheie> what, if anything, would getltscfg /etc/audiolist show?
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| 17:10 | <jammcq> nothing at all
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| 17:10 | it would return an error
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| 17:13 | <pscheie> If ltsp supplied an esd binary for oss and alsa, would it try both or would you have to specify?
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| 17:14 | <jammcq> I think we'd have to pick one as the default, and allow the sysadmin to specify the other
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| 17:15 | <pscheie> This may be a really dumb question, but why doesn't esd work under kde?
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| 17:15 | <Gadi> it does, but you have to tell kde to use it
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| 17:15 | kde use[sd] artsd
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| 17:16 | and you could tell arts to use esd
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| 17:16 | but kde is moving to phonon (which is similar to gstreamer)
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| 17:16 | so, you would then tell phonon to use it
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| 17:17 | ... unless we beat all of these changes to the punch, and incorporate pulseaudio and alsa redirection
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| 17:17 | <pscheie> I thought the point of gstreamer was to not need esd (?)
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| 17:17 | <Gadi> in which case, no modification would be necesasry to 99% of the apps on the server
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| 17:17 | no, the point of gstreamer is to provide middleware to the audio stack
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| 17:18 | so, apps talk to gstreamer
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| 17:18 | and gstreamer decides what mechanism to use to play the sound
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| 17:19 | <pscheie> But that requires all the apps to be gstreamer- or phonon- aware, right?
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| 17:19 | <Gadi> right
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| 17:19 | but many have gone that way
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| 17:20 | if we wind up doing alsa redirection, we should obviate that need as well
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| 17:20 | <pscheie> I'm thinking about how Real Player 8 works on clients, but later versions don't
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| 17:20 | <Gadi> and the *only* remaining apps that would break, would be ones that talk directly to /dev/dsp
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| 17:20 | (java *cough*)
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| 17:20 | RP8 has esd support
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| 17:21 | <pscheie> RP10 does not AFAIK
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| 17:21 | <Gadi> RP10 only has ALSA support
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| 17:21 | <pscheie> so with your esd-with-alsa, should RP10 work?
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| 17:21 | <Gadi> no
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| 17:22 | the esd-with-alsa still uses esd
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| 17:22 | it just uses alsa on the client
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| 17:22 | <Gadi> basically, alsa/oss are on the level of talking to the soundcard
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| 17:22 | esd/nasd are on the level of transporting the sound
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| 17:22 | gstreamer/phonon are middleware
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| 17:23 | <Gadi> welcome to the mess that is sound in Linux
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| 17:23 | <Gadi> but, dont fret
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| 17:23 | things are working themselves out....
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| 17:23 | <pscheie> well, that partially explains why I have a hard time getting my head around it all ;-)
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| 17:24 | <Gadi> u bet
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| 17:38 | <ogra> moquist, so ? anything i missed in the e-a-s spec ?
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| 17:52 | <cliebow_> x
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| 18:15 | <g333k_work> Hi, I have latin american keyboards, but I cant use the characters that appears with AltGr+<Key>, like @, why?
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| 18:19 | <cliebow_> moquist:didyou get what you needed??
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| 18:43 | <g333k_work> nevermind I solved it....:(
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| 19:17 | <cliebow_> laprag!!!!!!!!!!!!
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| 19:18 | <rjune> cliebow_:
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| 19:27 | <cliebow_> rjune;Hey!~
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| 19:39 | <laprag> hey
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| 19:40 | <rjune> how are you doing laprag ?
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| 19:40 | <laprag> I am doing just fine
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| 19:40 | Just bought a micro rc helicopter, playing with it :)
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| 19:41 | <rjune> sweet
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| 19:41 | <laprag> heh
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| 19:42 | These guys at Google are awfully quiet
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| 19:44 | <dberkholz> that nick reminds me a lot of laphroaig
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| 19:44 | <rjune> laprag: ?
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| 19:44 | <laprag> heh, I don't taste all that good ;)
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| 19:45 | <rjune> laprag: what do you mean the guys at google are awful quiet?
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| 19:45 | <laprag> The Ubuntu Developer Conference is at Google Campus, jammcq and friends are there
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| 19:47 | <sbalneav> Hello hello
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| 19:48 | <laprag> How's it going?
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| 19:48 | You done your talk yet?
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| 19:48 | <sbalneav> All of our current specs have passed review, so now we're good for a whole new slate tomorrow!
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| 19:48 | No, they haven't asked me to speak yet.
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| 19:48 | But:
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| 19:48 | <rjune> that's very cool
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| 19:48 | <sbalneav> edbuntu-network-auth-[server|client], both passed
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| 19:49 | ltsp-gui-management passed
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| 19:49 | <rjune> sbalneav: are you at google?
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| 19:49 | <jammcq> Scotty !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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| 19:49 | <sbalneav> ltsp-persistent-home passed
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| 19:49 | hey rjune
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| 19:49 | although, it basically just entails fixing pam_mkhomedir brokenness
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| 19:49 | <laprag> sbalneav: But that's just the spec, not the actual work, right?
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| 19:49 | <sbalneav> right.
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| 19:50 | But once you have the spec, the we can do the work, and the feature will be included in feisty.
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| 19:50 | <laprag> ooooh, the charger is done, gotta go flying :))
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| 19:50 | <sbalneav> So that's a good thing.
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| 19:50 | <laprag> Yes
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| 19:50 | <sbalneav> Heading home? Safe trip!
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| 19:50 | <laprag> Any takers for the coding, or ogra doing it all?
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| 19:51 | <sbalneav> Matt will be helping with the ldap stuff, I'll be helping with other stuff.
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| 19:51 | <laprag> sbalneav: nono, just in the hotel room, got myself a litte toy
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| 19:51 | <rjune> laprag: you're in CA too?
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| 19:51 | <laprag> rjune: No, in TX
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| 19:51 | <jammcq> laprag: howdie
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| 19:52 | <sbalneav> w
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| 19:52 | <rjune> laprag: cool deal.;
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| 19:52 | <laprag> jammcq: Good afternoon to you too
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| 19:52 | <sbalneav> it's been very productive.
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| 19:52 | <laprag> Sounds good
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| 19:53 | <Gadi> rjuney!
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| 19:53 | <rjune> Gadi: !
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| 19:53 | * rjune hugs Gadi | |
| 19:53 | <Gadi> aw...
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| 19:54 | * Gadi nuzzles in the warm embrace | |
| 19:55 | <Gadi> laprag: sorry I missed you
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| 19:55 | I hope you get to come to more of these things
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| 19:56 | <rjune> how are you doing Gadi ?
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| 19:56 | <Gadi> good. gettin by with a lil help from my friends....
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| 19:57 | et tu, brute?
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| 19:57 | <rjune> work, work, work
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| 19:57 | <laprag> me file brute
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| 19:58 | <Gadi> all work and no play...
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| 19:59 | <rjune> indeed.
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| 20:00 | * Gadi has a lot of play in store for work.... | |
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