IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.libera.chat (webchat)
Channel log from 19 September 2014 (all times are UTC)
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| 06:14 | <alkisg> !acceleration
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| 06:14 | <ltsp> I do not know about 'acceleration', but I do know about these similar topics: 'bypass_acceleration'
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| 06:14 | <alkisg> !bypass_acceleration
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| 06:14 | <ltsp> bypass_acceleration: to bypass hardware acceleration (LP #1251281): RCFILE_01="ln -sf /bin/true /usr/lib/gnome-session/gnome-session-check-accelerated"
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| 06:46 | <alkisg> !learn disable-gnome-settings-daemon as `to prevent gnome-settings-daemon getting loaded before unity-settings-daemon in 14.04: RCFILE_02="chmod -x /usr/lib/gnome-settings-daemon/gnome-settings-daemon"`
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| 06:46 | <ltsp> The operation succeeded.
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| 14:11 | <bennabiy> !mint17
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| 14:11 | <ltsp> mint17: (#1) Simple fix for ltsp-build-client... add "--exclude software-properties-gtk" (without the quotes) to your normal ltsp-build-client command, or (#2) ppa:bennabiy/testing contains updated packages which are already patched for mint 17.
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| 14:11 | <bennabiy> !forget mint17 1
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| 14:11 | <ltsp> The operation succeeded.
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| 19:17 | <jammcq> hello friends
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| 19:19 | * vagrantc waves | |
| 19:24 | <jammcq> vagrantc: how was debconf ?
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| 19:27 | <vagrantc> jammcq: was good!
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| 19:28 | jammcq: you scheming for the BTS yet?
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| 19:28 | or have those schemes already been laid?
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| 19:28 | <jammcq> well... looks like it might be just me and scotty
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| 19:28 | it's definitely a social event this year
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| 19:29 | <vagrantc> i hope you all make it out alive, what with all the extra drinking you'll need to make up for
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| 19:30 | <jammcq> I'm thinking the hotel isn't gonna want to setup a big lobster fest dinner for only a couple people
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| 19:31 | i'm looking forward to the day when I can afford to travel a bit more. 2 kids in college is damn near killing me
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| 19:31 | <vagrantc> jammcq: you could send them to the salt mines and make a profit instead!
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| 19:32 | <jammcq> yeah, but then they won't be in a position to take care of me, when I'm old and gray
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| 19:33 | <vagrantc> you saw that trap!
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| 19:56 | <ogra_> jammcq, !
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| 19:57 | i'm sadly in washington (DC) from 19th to 26th :(
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| 19:57 | (as well as stephane will be)
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| 19:59 | <stgraber> arguably in my case, I'm gone all of October and half of November so even if it was at some other time it wouldn't really have made a difference :(
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| 20:00 | well, hopefully next year will be less crazy, two years without seeing Scotty will be hard enough, I don't intend to make that a third ;)
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| 20:01 | <ternarybit> running into some strange issues using the screen.d/kiosk screen script.
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| 20:01 | on physical and virtual clients, any other screen script works fine. the kiosk one however, only works on a virtual client.
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| 20:02 | on physical client, if any SCREEN_0X="kiosk", it just locks at a blank screen after booting. Can't change consoles with Ctrl+Alt+FX
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| 20:03 | As soon as I remove "kiosk" from the lts.conf and change it to, say, rdesktop, everything works.
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| 20:04 | The kiosk script works fine in my VM client. Loads chromium-browser fullscreen with no issues. But I can't even switch to a shell on a physical client if the kiosk script is set on any screen.
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| 20:04 | <jammcq> hmm, washington DC, eh?
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| 20:05 | <ternarybit> running latest ltsp packages on ubuntu 14.04.1 LTS and the chroot is fully updated. I really appreciate any ideas :)
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| 20:05 | <jammcq> I wonder how much of a detour that is between detroit and maine
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| 20:06 | ternarybit: could you be running out of ram on the client?
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| 20:06 | <ternarybit> jammcq: ...yes, quite possibly.
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| 20:07 | 256MB a bit low to run a kiosk?
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| 20:07 | <ogra_> jammcq, want to drop by for a beer and steak ??
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| 20:07 | :)
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| 20:07 | * vagrantc thinks we should just show up at scotty's unannounced someday | |
| 20:07 | <jammcq> ogra_: I'll check the map
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| 20:07 | <ogra_> lol
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| 20:08 | vagrantc, ++
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| 20:11 | <ternarybit> wow. top in my vm client shows ~460700KiB mem used. so, 512MB must be the minimum.
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| 20:11 | <jammcq> that can be misleading
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| 20:11 | the kernel will allocate ram for buffers if it's not being used for something else
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| 20:12 | so it looks like most of ram is in use
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| 20:12 | <ternarybit> oh I see. well, let's try lowering my vm's ram to 256 and see what happens.
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| 20:12 | <jammcq> it may very well fail at 256, but it's different hardware, so it may fail in a completely different way
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| 20:14 | <ternarybit> chromium came up ok with 256 in the vm. is that reason enough to believe the problem on bare metal probably isn't ram-related?
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| 20:15 | <jammcq> I still suspect ram
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| 20:16 | <ternarybit> what might you suggest I try?
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| 20:16 | <jammcq> can you increase the ram on a physical client?
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| 20:17 | <ternarybit> maybe. but just to test the theory, can I enable nbd swap or something?
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| 20:18 | <jammcq> yeah, someone else will need to help you with that. it's been too long since I played with that
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| 20:18 | <ternarybit> ok, thanks. but in your opinion, 256 is not enough for a webkiosk?
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| 20:19 | <jammcq> i've got at least 1GB on all mine
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| 20:19 | <ternarybit> i only ask because it seems to run rdesktop flawlessly on 256
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| 20:20 | <jammcq> I dont' remember how kiosk mode differs from the other modes
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| 20:20 | other than the browser is full screen
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| 20:20 | <ternarybit> it's an interesting script that i can't quite seem to fully understand, but then again i am new.
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| 20:20 | <jammcq> i'm just too rusty and ltsp has changed too much since I last worked on it
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| 20:21 | <ternarybit> still, thanks for the input.
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| 20:22 | i honestly don't care how it works, i'm just looking for the most straightforward fullscreen chromium browser via netboot. open to any ideas.
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| 20:24 | im going to jump over to a client with higher specs just to see.
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| 20:33 | hey, I got some output:
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| 20:33 | adding user 'ltspkiosk'
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| 20:33 | adding new group 'ltspkiosk' (1001) ...
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| 20:34 | (EE) / fatal server error: /(EE) / Invalid argument for -config / With elevated privileges, the file specified with -config must be a relative path and must not contain any ".." elements. Using default xorg.conf search path.
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| 20:34 | slash representing newline
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| 20:35 | <vagrantc> ternarybit: the kiosk mode runs the browser locally
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| 20:36 | <ternarybit> vagrantc: right.
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| 20:36 | <vagrantc> ternarybit: so i would be surprised if 256MB without swap was enough for anything but the most very basic of web browsing
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| 20:36 | and even then, it's likely to crash with out-of-memory errors
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| 20:36 | <ternarybit> vagrantc: I'm with you. this new client has 1GB and a core2 duo.
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| 20:37 | <vagrantc> ternarybit: NBD_SWAP=true in lts.conf should enable NBD swap, to give you an extra safety margin.
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| 20:37 | <ternarybit> the new client gave me that output. the 256MB client just hung
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| 20:37 | I will add that, but is that necessary for a 1GB client? tests were running great in my VM client with 512MB provisioned.
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| 20:38 | <vagrantc> ternarybit: what version of ltsp on the client?
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| 20:38 | ltsp-info
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| 20:38 | <ternarybit> 1sec
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| 20:38 | <vagrantc> !pastebin | echo ternarybit
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| 20:38 | <ltsp> ternarybit pastebin: the LTSP pastebin is at http://ltsp.pastebin.com. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebin, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. Don't forget to paste the URL of the text here.
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| 20:39 | <vagrantc> ternarybit: and you might also want to paste your lts.conf
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| 20:42 | <ternarybit> both are here: http://pastebin.com/gmMdRD25
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| 20:43 | I modified /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/share/ltsp/screen.d/kiosk to include chromium-browser, but that's the only change I made to the script.
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| 20:43 | again, working fine in my vm client.
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| 20:47 | <vagrantc> ternarybit: what did you modify? why not just use the KIOSK_BROWSER variable from lts.conf?
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| 20:47 | or KISOK_EXE, i guess.
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| 20:47 | <ternarybit> the KIOSK_EXE in lts.conf was recent, didn't realize I could just set it that way.
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| 20:48 | <vagrantc> you also appear to have both i386 and amd64 chroots... ?
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| 20:49 | are you sure you're editing the right lts.conf?
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| 20:49 | <ternarybit> there is an if statement that chooses the KIOSK_EXE if you don't specify it. I added an elif for chromium-browser alongside opera. I could revert this change easily
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| 20:49 | I was tinkering with both. As of now, everything is using i386 only, and yes I'm only editing that lts.conf
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| 20:50 | <vagrantc> that sounds like a patch we could take upstream...
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| 20:52 | looks like there's support for firefox, google-chrome and opera upstream
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| 20:52 | <ternarybit> :) here's the file: http://pastebin.com/UiThJN3z
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| 20:54 | <ternarybit> i just can't account for how it works in my vm host, but not physical, even when matching ram. seems very unlikely to be an issue with the script, right?
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| 20:55 | based on the error I saw, it looks like X isn't initializing properly.
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| 20:55 | <vagrantc> ternarybit: looks like in recent versions of Debian, it's /usr/bin/chromium
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| 20:56 | <ternarybit> good to know, but it's definitely chromium-browser in my case.
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| 20:56 | <vagrantc> ternarybit: yeah, i agree it looks like X is failing to start ... it's passing the -config option to X ... presumably something's telling it to use -config /var/run/ltsp-xorg.conf or some such ecause some option is set
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| 20:57 | <ternarybit> any ideas where to start? I've looked through the kiosk script, the kioskSession script, can't find any mention of -config.
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| 21:00 | in other words I'm very ignorant as to how ltsp initializes X, or how I might be able to troubleshoot the "invalid argument for -config"
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| 21:02 | if it helps any, I tried this on another physical box and chromium did come up, except half the screen was blank. still sounds like an X initialization issue, but it's clearly inconsistent between clients
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| 21:03 | <vagrantc> i've gotta head out soon, but the part that generates that should be in /usr/share/screen-session.d in the client chroot
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| 21:03 | ones that pass -config are the X_ARGS stuff
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| 21:03 | if i remember correctly
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| 21:04 | something could be setting the color depth or something
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| 21:05 | some of them set values when detecting certain video cards...
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| 21:05 | <ternarybit> maybe xs90-set-x-conf?
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| 21:06 | <vagrantc> i bet they're intel cards
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| 21:06 | <ternarybit> yes, intel most likely. dell workstations
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| 21:07 | dell/gateway at least, almost certainly intel.
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| 21:07 | <vagrantc> XS20-intel-virtual-hack triggers XS85-virtual
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| 21:07 | which triggers xorg.conf generation
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| 21:07 | ternarybit: i'd be curious to see what arguments it's passing to X
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| 21:08 | <ternarybit> paste xorg.conf?
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| 21:08 | <vagrantc> ternarybit: can you try it just setting SCREEN_02=shell and SCREEN_07=ldm ?
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| 21:08 | i think ldm will log which arguments it passes
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| 21:08 | <ternarybit> sure I can try. what file am I looking to get?
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| 21:09 | <vagrantc> look in /var/log/ldm.log, /var/log/Xorg.log ...
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| 21:09 | looking to see what arguments it passes
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| 21:09 | you could also put some debugging into the kiosk screen script ...
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| 21:09 | that might be easier
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| 21:10 | <vagrantc> su - ${KIOSKUSER} -c "XINITRC_DAEMON=${XINITRC_DAEMON} KIOSK_WM=${KIOSK_WM} KIOSK_OPTIONS=${KIOSK_OPTIONS} xinit $xinitrc /usr/share/ltsp/kioskSession\ ${KIOSK_EXE} -- ${DISPLAY} vt${TTY} -nolisten tcp ${X_ARGS} -br" >/dev/null
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| 21:10 | <ternarybit> yeah, that line is really hard for me to parse.
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| 21:11 | <vagrantc> cut and paste the line like that, and put another above it like ...
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| 21:11 | logger su - ${KIOSKUSER} -c "XINITRC_DAEMON=${XINITRC_DAEMON} KIOSK_WM=${KIOSK_WM} KIOSK_OPTIONS=${KIOSK_OPTIONS} xinit $xinitrc /usr/share/ltsp/kioskSession\ ${KIOSK_EXE} -- ${DISPLAY} vt${TTY} -nolisten tcp ${X_ARGS} -br" >/dev/null
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| 21:11 | i think that might work...
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| 21:12 | <ternarybit> I'll try to dig up some info after lunch.
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| 21:12 | are there known issues with intel chipsets?
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| 21:12 | i mean gpus
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| 21:13 | <vagrantc> there's a hack in there ... could try disabling it, too
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| 21:13 | <ternarybit> how might I disable the hack?
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| 21:14 | <vagrantc> ternarybit: X_VIRTUAL_AUTO=false
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| 21:14 | in lts.conf
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| 21:15 | <ternarybit> does line order in lts.conf matter?
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| 21:15 | <vagrantc> no
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| 21:15 | well, as long as it's after the [default] section
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| 21:15 | <ternarybit> right. trying...
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| 21:17 | * vagrantc waves | |
| 21:17 | <vagrantc> good luck!
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| 21:19 | <ternarybit> wow, that worked. I am so grateful now
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| 21:20 | <ternarybit> anyone with similar issues browsing the irc logs, if you have trouble with the kiosk screen script on intel gpu, add X_VIRTUAL_AUTO=false to lts.conf
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