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Channel log from 8 June 2015 (all times are UTC)
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| 08:32 | <quinox> hello. halfgaar taking over from quinox.
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| 08:33 | question, my initramfs propmt errors saying it can't mount overlayfs on /root, and then it can't mount /dev, /sys and /proc on /root/{dev,sys/proc}
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| 08:33 | <Hyperbyte> Hey, halfgaar. Where abouts are you? Close to Rotterdam by any chance?
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| 08:33 | <quinox> I'm assuming the latter is because the former fails?
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| 08:33 | Groningen
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| 08:33 | <Hyperbyte> Oe, dat is een beetje te ver weg. :-)
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| 08:33 | <quinox> :)
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| 08:34 | <Hyperbyte> Can you give me ssh access to the server so I can take a look? It's a bit easier.
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| 08:36 | <quinox> Well, I'm a bit reluctant to do that. Would you be able to do anything useful? It's the client that's erroring
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| 08:38 | <alkisg> quinox: what distro/version?
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| 08:38 | Hyperbyte: vnc or screen are easier for the person being helped as it allows him to view what you're doing :)
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| 08:38 | !socat
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| 08:38 | <ltsp`> socat: One way to share a console with a remote person is: [local pc] forward port 5500; apt-get install socat; socat tcp-listen:5500,keepalive=1 stdio,raw,echo=0 [remote pc] apt-get install socat screen; socat SYSTEM:"sleep 1; exec screen -xRR ra",pty,stderr tcp:REMOTE-IP:5500 & screen -l -S ra
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| 08:38 | <alkisg> !vnc-dide
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| 08:38 | <ltsp`> vnc-dide: To share your screen with me, run this: sudo apt-get --yes install x11vnc; x11vnc -connect srv1-dide.ioa.sch.gr - this is a reverse connection, it doesn't need port forwarding etc.
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| 08:38 | <alkisg> ...things like that :)
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| 08:38 | <quinox> We just upgraded from 14.10 to 15.04 ubuntu
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| 08:38 | <alkisg> Errr LTSP is badly maintained in Ubuntu
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| 08:39 | Especially on non-LTS versions
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| 08:39 | <quinox> Hmm
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| 08:39 | VNC we could do, but I wish I could show you my client initramfs
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| 08:39 | <alkisg> It doesn't matter much, usually the server is to blame there
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| 08:40 | Do run the vnc command above ^
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| 08:40 | <quinox> hang on
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| 08:41 | wait; the server is not running X11 and I logged into it with Putty
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| 08:41 | (putty on windows) Teamviewer perhaps?
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| 08:41 | <alkisg> ....ok
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| 08:42 | PM me
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| 08:54 | <alkisg> quinox: you haven't specified rootpat
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| 08:54 | rootpath
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| 08:54 | It's used for the nbd image selection
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| 08:55 | <quinox> where does one set root path?
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| 08:55 | <alkisg> In your dhcp server
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| 08:55 | You've set filename there, but not rootpath=/opt/ltsp/amd64
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| 08:55 | <quinox> hang on, let's see how it's configured
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| 08:56 | <alkisg> Also, what does the client mention with/without nbdroot, ipappend 3 etc?
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| 08:56 | Finally, you've mixed /srv/tftp and /var/lib/tftpboot, select and use one of them, the default for ubuntu is /var/lib/tftpboot
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| 08:57 | quinox: you want something like: dhcp-option=17,/opt/ltsp/amd64
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| 08:58 | <quinox> Did anything change in the rootpath? It worked before
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| 08:58 | currently, the image boots and I can see the image in /root/rofs
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| 08:58 | it just doesn't chroot into it and run init-ltsp
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| 08:58 | <alkisg> There were some changes about it over time, I don't know what "before" would mean in this context :)
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| 08:58 | <quinox> Ubuntu 14.10 :)
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| 08:59 | I can change it. Let's try
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| 08:59 | <alkisg> Yes but I'm not using the stock ubuntu it's too broken so I don't know what ltsp code 14.10 has
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| 08:59 | The "doesn't chroot" doesn't help, it probably means that it didn't connect to the nbd server at all
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| 08:59 | The error would be above that
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| 09:00 | !nbd-client
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| 09:00 | <ltsp`> nbd-client: To try mounting the NBD image from the client initramfs: nbd-client 192.168.67.1 -N /opt/ltsp/i386 /dev/nbd0
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| 09:00 | <quinox> if I do mount I can see the /dev/ndb0 mount on /root/rofs
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| 09:00 | I can see it all
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| 09:00 | <alkisg> But what's ROOTSERVER and ROOTPATH in /run/net-eth0.conf on the client?
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| 09:00 | (or in /tmp/net-eth0.conf, depending on the version...)
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| 09:01 | <quinox> it's a dead symlink to /run/net-eth0.conf
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| 09:02 | <alkisg> Can you add break=mount in the cmdline?
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| 09:02 | <quinox> kernel parameter?
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| 09:02 | <alkisg> Yes
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| 09:02 | <quinox> ok
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| 09:02 | what config again :)?
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| 09:03 | <alkisg> Wait a bit... I'm thinking,
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| 09:03 | it might be related to the overlayfs issue of ubuntu 15.xx
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| 09:03 | In kernel 3.18+, the overlayfs filesystem is now upstream in the kernel
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| 09:03 | <quinox> I just added the break to the defaults.cfg
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| 09:04 | <alkisg> And you do have 3.18+
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| 09:04 | <quinox> 3.19
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| 09:04 | <alkisg> So, there, overlayfs needs a "workdir=" parameter, which ubuntu ltsp doesn't have
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| 09:04 | <quinox> it does also say no updir, workdir or somethingdir
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| 09:04 | <alkisg> It was added in the debian jessie version of ltsp, but the ubuntu maintainer hasn't synced with the debian version
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| 09:04 | OK, then forget all the rest, that's the main issue
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| 09:05 | <quinox> so what's my workdir :)?
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| 09:05 | <alkisg> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ltsp-upstream/ltsp/ltsp-trunk/revision/2639
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| 09:05 | You need to manually apply that ^
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| 09:05 | ...until stgraber accepts that he no longer has time to maintain ltsp, and just lets it sync with debian :-/
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| 09:07 | <quinox> where is that client/Debian/share/initramfs-tools/scripts/init-bottom/ltsp on the server?
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| 09:07 | <alkisg> It's <chroot>/usr/share/initramfs-tools ...bla bla
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| 09:09 | !overlayfs
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| 09:09 | <ltsp`> overlayfs: modprobe overlayfs; mount -t overlayfs -o upperdir=/cow,lowerdir=/rofs overlayfs /root
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| 09:09 | <alkisg> !forget overlayfs
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| 09:09 | <ltsp`> The operation succeeded.
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| 09:10 | <alkisg> !learn overlayfs as Overlayfs was mainlined in Linux 3.18+, so this (http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ltsp-upstream/ltsp/ltsp-trunk/revision/2639) LTSP commit is required, but missing from some distributions like e.g. Ubuntu 15.xx.
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| 09:10 | <ltsp`> The operation succeeded.
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| 09:12 | <quinox> running ltsp-update-image
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| 09:12 | <alkisg> quinox: in general, Ubuntu LTS versions with the Greek schools ppa are much better maintained (by me :)) than the Ubuntu's LTSP version
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| 09:12 | !greek-ppa
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| 09:12 | <ltsp`> Error: "greek-ppa" is not a valid command.
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| 09:12 | <alkisg> !greek-schools-ppa
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| 09:12 | <ltsp`> greek-schools-ppa: https://launchpad.net/~ts.sch.gr/+archive/ppa/ supports LTS Ubuntu releases with newer LTSP versions, bug fixes etc
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| 09:12 | <quinox> ok, that's worth looking into.
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| 09:12 | This server is usually on the newest ubuntu, though
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| 09:13 | <alkisg> You can have a chroot with 14.04 and the utopic backported kernel
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| 09:13 | If you want stock Ubuntu LTSP, expect such breakage.. :)
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| 09:13 | <quinox> Is there any indiciation Ubuntu will maintain LTSP better?
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| 09:13 | in the future?
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| 09:14 | <alkisg> Yes, I think that when stgraber has some free time he'll just let vagrantc and me maintain LTSP in debian and just sync from there like all other packages do
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| 09:14 | It's just a matter of him dropping the ubuntu .diff
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| 09:14 | (which is old and does not apply anymore)
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| 09:16 | <quinox> can we easily drop-in-replace LTSP from the PPA on this server?
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| 09:16 | or do we need to clean everything up?
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| 09:16 | <alkisg> That PPA only supports LTS versions of Ubuntu, I rarely publish packages for non-LTS versions
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| 09:16 | For LTS versions, it's a drop-in addition
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| 09:16 | <quinox> ok
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| 09:16 | * alkisg closes teamviewer btw... | |
| 09:17 | <quinox> rebooting client
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| 09:18 | the error looks different, but it still says: overlayfs: missing upperdir or lowerdir or workdir
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| 09:18 | let's see if I messed up the patching
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| 09:18 | <alkisg> You don't need ltsp-update-image, just ltsp-update-kernels *inside* and outside the chroot
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| 09:19 | sudo ltsp-chroot /usr/share/ltsp/update-kernels; sudo ltsp-update-kernels
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| 09:20 | (those scripts end up in the initramfs, not in the nbd image)
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| 09:21 | <quinox> ok
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| 09:22 | I have UNION_OPTS="upperdir=/cow/up,lowerdir=/rofs,workdir=/cow/work"
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| 09:22 | but rofs is in /root/rofs
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| 09:22 | change that?
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| 09:23 | tryin
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| 09:24 | still the error about missing upperdir, lowerdir or workdir
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| 09:24 | # /cow is empty in the initramfs
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| 09:29 | <stgraber> alkisg: just did a quick merge, remaining Ubuntu delta is http://paste.ubuntu.com/11645122/
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| 09:37 | <alkisg> stgraber: so if we merge that with vagrantc's /debian dir, we can drop the ubuntu .diff?
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| 09:37 | Also, are those fonts really necessary just for ldm?
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| 09:38 | <quinox> alkisg: the ltsp script the patched needed me to change is not present in image I boot
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| 09:38 | the updating kernels didn't work?
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| 09:39 | <stgraber> alkisg: yeah, though I'm not sure how much sense it makes to merge the Edubuntu stuff in Debian
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| 09:40 | <alkisg> stgraber: we can put it somewhere in some conditional, even at deb build time
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| 09:40 | <stgraber> alkisg: for the fonts, I know we needed quite a few to be able to properly render the prompt in Chinese at least. Looks like the one that changed name in Ubuntu is to support some Indian dialect
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| 09:41 | but yeah, our delta was actually very minimal. AFAICT none of the patches are required at this point and the udeb changes can be dropped since we no longer ship LTSP on any non-live media
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| 09:41 | <alkisg> Cool, I think vagrantc does use udeb so he can use his own version there
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| 09:42 | <stgraber> yeah, we had some extra changes in Ubuntu to support building fat client chroots and some other stuff. I sent vagrantc that diff a few times but he never included it in Debian.
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| 09:42 | <alkisg> He's looking to integrate ltsp-pnp support at the udeb
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| 09:42 | I.e. create a chroot immediately after the installation
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| 09:43 | (by mirroring the server /)
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| 09:43 | About the "weird" fonts, I would prefer not to have them installed in e.g. all Greek schools, so if we could find another way....
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| 09:44 | E.g. put them in the edubuntu seeds or create a wiki page...
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| 09:44 | ubuntu-desktop does include fonts for those that use fat chroots, which should be the most common case nowadays
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| 09:50 | <alkisg> quinox: (sorry I got busy) - if you didn't manage the patch, I think I also have updated packages for 15.xx in my own ppa, ppa:alkisg
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| 09:50 | You could download the packages from there...
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| 09:52 | <quinox> I don't understand why initramfs's are not rebuilding. They keep appearing in my dirs with an mtime of this morning
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| 09:55 | <quinox> oh, just update-initramfs -u in chroot
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| 09:56 | <AcidRain> hey i was wondering if someone can point me in the right direction on how to fix an error i am getting when i do ltsp-build-client it keeps saying E: Couldn't download packages: bash libbz2-1.0 error: LTSP cient installation ended abnormally
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| 10:07 | i have tried multiple times and it still fails
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| 10:08 | <quinox> it works, kind of. Now other things to fix. Known things
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| 10:08 | <alkisg> AcidRain: try to chroot in the badly created chroot and then to install the package that it says
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| 10:09 | Check why that won't work, e.g. resolv.conf could be bad
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| 10:09 | <AcidRain> ummm what?
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| 10:09 | <alkisg> sudo ltsp-chroot
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| 10:09 | apt-get install libbz2-1.0
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| 10:10 | <AcidRain> ok
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| 10:11 | chroot: failed to run command `/bin/bash': No such file or directory
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| 11:30 | <quinox> work_alkisg: we got it up and running. Thanks for the help :)
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| 11:47 | <quinox> mmm, now I first get to see some strange DM (sddm? gdm?), when I shut that one down I get to see the right LDM
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| 12:50 | <quinox> for now I replaced smmd and lightdm with ldm binary :D
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| 12:53 | or maybe it was my change to /etc/X11/default-display-manager
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| 12:53 | anyway, thanks a lot !
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| 12:55 | <work_alkisg> quinox: you shouldn't have any other DMs in the chroot... at least if you didn't install it on purpose
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| 12:56 | True, LDM only takes over if there are no display managers defined in that file
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| 16:18 | <FrenchyMan> hello !
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| 16:20 | is it possible to add on LOCAL APP (on thin client) Java 7 jdk and jre ? (it's for minecraft)
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| 17:16 | <vagrantc> stgraber: thanks for syncing ubuntu ltsp, i've committed two of your changes to my branch, the only thing remaining is the edubuntu change...
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| 17:17 | and even that looks feasible to merge, i guess.
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| 22:12 | <AcidRain> hey i was wondering if someone can point me in the right direction on how to fix an error i am getting when i do ltsp-build-client it keeps saying E: Couldn't download packages: bash libbz2-1.0 error: LTSP cient installation ended abnormally
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| 22:12 | i tried ltsp-chroot and got this chroot: failed to run command `/bin/bash': No such file or directory
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| 22:32 | <vagrantc> AcidRain: intermittant network failures?
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| 22:32 | AcidRain: what distro?
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| 22:34 | <AcidRain> debian 7
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| 22:35 | and no failures, i did ti multiple times and it failed withthose 2 files
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| 23:14 | <vagrantc> AcidRain: behind a proxy or something?
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| 23:14 | AcidRain: using --copysourceslist or --copypackageslists or what arguments?
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| 23:16 | <AcidRain> all i did was ltsp-build-client
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| 23:19 | <vagrantc> apt-cache policy libbz2-1.0 ?
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| 23:19 | what versions do you have available?
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| 23:57 | <AcidRain> vagrantc, Installed: 1.0.6-4
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| 23:57 | Candidate: 1.0.6-4
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| 23:58 | <vagrantc> AcidRain: what mirror is it downloading from? try a different mirror?
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