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Channel log from 19 May 2007 (all times are UTC)
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| 04:32 | * vagrantc drops support for sarge | |
| 04:42 | <vagrantc> ogra: so, what's in your feisty branch that shouldn't hit mainline?
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| 04:57 | * vagrantc has an idea ... | |
| 04:58 | <vagrantc> ogra: ok, so ... i want to see all that junk we install as part of 000-basic-configuration as package dependencies
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| 04:58 | hrm.
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| 04:58 | forget it.
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| 04:58 | well, i still want that
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| 04:59 | but i was forgetting that we need to split up the init scripts into little pieces anyways ... had an idea to handle the init scripts in /usr/lib/ltsp/ltsp_config like we do with LDM ...
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| 05:00 | i still want to split ltsp-client into ltsp-client and ltsp-client-core ... though i'm thinking all the individual pieces should go into -core anyways ... so it's easier to enable a specific feature
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| 07:04 | <cliebow> vagrantc:here you are by yourself....talkling to yourself 8~)
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| 07:05 | <vagrantc> cliebow: thanks for the ... support :P
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| 07:06 | <cliebow> heh
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| 07:07 | i still enjoy listening...even if most of the time i havnt reallly a clue..
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| 07:07 | <vagrantc> well, splitting the ltsp-client package into two packages is nearly the last step to make lessdisks feel totally obsolete :)
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| 07:08 | well, and splitting ltsp-server into ldm-server and ltsp-server
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| 08:28 | <vagrantc> ogra: i'm wondering if we should even maintain ltsp.pot in bzr ... we generate it on build, and it always generates conflicts.
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| 08:28 | <jammcq> g'morning vagrantc
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| 08:28 | <vagrantc> jammcq: buenas tardes
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| 08:28 | <jammcq> so... where you at today?
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| 08:29 | <vagrantc> still in madrid
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| 08:29 | <jammcq> enjoying it?
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| 08:29 | <vagrantc> it's a big city, but there's some greenspace to be had, at least :)
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| 08:29 | <jammcq> yeah, I was there back in 2000. beautiful city
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| 08:30 | <vagrantc> one of the best things is the going rate on excellent blue cheeses and olives :)
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| 08:30 | <jammcq> oooh
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| 08:31 | <ogra> vagrantc, i'm fine with a split as long as we keep metapackages around
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| 08:31 | <vagrantc> for 3.30 euros, i got a hunk of cheese that would have easily cost $20-30 US
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| 08:31 | ogra: ah, good.
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| 08:32 | ogra: i think i can do it in a way that will make everybody happier :)
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| 08:32 | <ogra> we should have ltsp-client-sound and ltsp-server-sound as well
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| 08:32 | ltsp-swap-client and ltsp-swap-server
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| 08:32 | <vagrantc> that's getting to be overkill
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| 08:33 | i think simply one package with none of the special features enabled, and another will all of them enabled, but still disableable by configuration file.
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| 08:33 | <ogra> i dont mind as long as i can install ltsp-client and it pulls everything in
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| 08:34 | that would be the metapackage
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| 08:34 | ltsp-client depends ltsp-client-core, ltsp-swap-client, ltsp-client-sound, ltsp-client-printserver etc
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| 08:35 | ltsp-client core gives you a barebone system
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| 08:35 | *ltsp-client-core
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| 08:35 | <vagrantc> well, how about this ... ltsp-client-core contains all the code, but none of the dependencies ... if ltsp-client-core detects that a feature is available (i.e. appropriate binaries available) it enables it unless configured to do otherwise
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| 08:35 | and ltsp-client contains all the dependencies
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| 08:36 | <ogra> and a default config file ...
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| 08:36 | <vagrantc> that way, you can install only ltsp-client-core and whatever relevent features you want, and they're enabled if they're instaleld.
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| 08:36 | <vagrantc> ogra: i don't see the need for half a dozen metapackages
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| 08:37 | <ogra> well, with the finer grained packaging you are able to maintain it component wise
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| 08:37 | <vagrantc> yeah, i guess.
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| 08:37 | <ogra> we might want to change from pulseaudio to flubbersoundserver or something in ubuntu, while debian wants to keep pulse ...
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| 08:37 | this setup would make it a lot eaier
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| 08:37 | *easier
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| 08:38 | <vagrantc> ubuntu will surely change to the latest whatever :P
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| 08:38 | <ogra> right
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| 08:38 | <vagrantc> ogra: so ... i'm looking at the mainline-debian-feisty merge ... it's not so bad other than the translations
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| 08:38 | <ogra> well, it always depends who develops which feature ...
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| 08:39 | one is always ahead of the other
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| 08:39 | <vagrantc> ogra: though it's evil difficult to do a feature-by-feature merge
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| 08:39 | <ogra> not with separated branches for the single features (including separate packages)
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| 08:40 | <vagrantc> well, we don't have separated branches for separate features at this point :(
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| 08:40 | <ogra> the overall picture will get more complicated but you have more fine grained control
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| 08:40 | <vagrantc> i'm just trying to get our bzr branches back in sync now ... we'd best be smarter in the future
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| 08:41 | <ogra> yeah, lets try to work off a single centered branch
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| 08:41 | <vagrantc> so... i almost have a branch that has everything merged in with commits messages like "sync with feisty" and "sync with debian"
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| 08:43 | ogra: so why have you consistantly diverged from the package priorities we've set in debian? does ubuntu even make use of package priorities?
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| 08:43 | * vagrantc just wants this merge to be over with to start working on new features | |
| 08:43 | <ogra> in d-i i think ... but not beyond that
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| 08:43 | feel free to change them
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| 08:44 | <vagrantc> i really don't see that any of the packages should be more than "extra"
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| 08:44 | <ogra> fine with me
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| 08:44 | what are they now ?
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| 08:45 | <vagrantc> some are optional, some are extra.
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| 08:45 | <ogra> (sorry i have a slight pressur to finish some classmate stuff atm, cant do much ltsp aside)
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| 08:45 | feel free to syncronize that
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| 08:52 | <vagrantc> i honestly don't see where debian uses priorities either, other than simply to report that they're wrong. heh. :)
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| 09:03 | <ogra> well, for the esseintial packages they are important
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| 09:03 | <vagrantc> jammcq: ok ... so ever since we've implemented nbd swap, ubuntu's been using a different port than ltsp 4.x ... which should we use?
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| 09:04 | <ogra> ltsp 4.x indeed
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| 09:04 | <vagrantc> ogra: are essential packages ever something lower than priority important?
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| 09:04 | <ogra> but make sure to change it on both sides ;)
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| 09:04 | no, i dont think so
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| 09:04 | <vagrantc> ogra: change the port on both sides?
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| 09:04 | <ogra> yep
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| 09:05 | <vagrantc> ah, server and client. yes.
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| 09:05 | <ogra> indeed
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| 09:05 | <vagrantc> ogra: so we should switch to the port that ltsp 4.x uses?
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| 09:05 | * vagrantc wondered if it was debian and ubuntu | |
| 09:05 | <ogra> we should switch (or add where switching causes headdache) to the ltsp 4.2 syntax completely
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| 09:06 | <vagrantc> ok.
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| 09:06 | i'll keep that in mind
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| 09:06 | <ogra> i like the idea of introducing new variables to a completely new implementation, but the doc overhead that causes seems to much
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| 09:07 | <ogra> at least we didnt manage well to keep up with docs for the new stuff yet
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| 09:07 | so lets rater make sure we match the old docs
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| 09:07 | <vagrantc> so, other than translations, i have a fully merged branch.
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| 09:07 | <ogra> yay
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| 09:07 | <vagrantc> mdz suggested there were some translation merging tools ...
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| 09:09 | <ogra> where d we differ ? i'm fine with dropping mine, my big target is anyway to get it into rosetta and let the ubuntu translator crew loose on it
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| 09:09 | <vagrantc> ogra: so just grab the debian translations?
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| 09:09 | <ogra> i'm pretty sure debians translation status is better than ubuntus atm
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| 09:09 | <vagrantc> most or all of them have at least been reviewed by teams and such
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| 09:10 | <ogra> yeah
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| 09:10 | <vagrantc> the spanish one received a lot of commentary :)
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| 09:10 | <ogra> i need to do a proper rosetta export for them
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| 09:10 | i didnt see much need beyond the d-i part yet though
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| 09:10 | but now ldm will be translateable
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| 09:11 | <vagrantc> translated --help stuff is a good thing
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| 09:11 | <ogra> so there is something in the users face ....
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| 09:11 | <vagrantc> right.
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| 09:11 | <ogra> right, that too
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| 09:11 | <vagrantc> that's the bulk of the translations at this point... --help options for ltsp-build-client
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| 09:12 | <ogra> right
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| 09:13 | ltsp-build-client-gtk will bring some new ones in
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| 09:14 | <vagrantc> eeyk.
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| 09:15 | <ogra> heh
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| 09:15 | <vagrantc> did i mention we should ditch maintaining ltsp.pot in bzr ?
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| 09:15 | <ogra> yes
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| 09:15 | <vagrantc> it seems to just attract conflicts and not really provide any real benefit.
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| 09:16 | ok, "upstream" gettext dealt with
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| 09:16 | now the debconf translations
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| 09:17 | so here's the quandry ...
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| 09:17 | ubuntu has several more questions that are not translated in debian at all ...
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| 09:18 | <ogra> really ?
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| 09:18 | weird
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| 09:18 | <vagrantc> well, i never merged some of the .udeb stuff
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| 09:19 | because it's all hard-coded
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| 09:19 | <ogra> ah, right the dhcpd autoconfig stuff i added
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| 09:19 | <vagrantc> but since lenny release is likely a long ways off, we can just merge it and fix it later :)
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| 09:20 | what would be the ideal thing to do is to merge all the questions that aren't present in debian at all, but keep the debian translations for things that are translated ....
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| 09:20 | and then feed it back to the respective review teams
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| 09:21 | gah. this is so close it hurts.
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| 09:23 | actually, that doesn't look too hard...
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| 09:25 | ogra: do you remember miroslav kure ... were they at UDS?
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| 09:25 | <ogra> hmm, no idea ... i'm not good with RL names
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| 09:26 | <vagrantc> i think i met miroslav, and swore i recognized the name ... and here it is in the cs.po file
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| 09:31 | ok ... that was way easier than it looked
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| 09:34 | well.... looks good to me :)
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| 09:55 | <rstory> is there a bugzilla for ltsp?
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| 09:57 | <vagrantc> rstory: what distro?
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| 09:57 | <rstory> rhel
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| 09:58 | <vagrantc> redhat hasn't switch to ltsp5 yet ...
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| 09:58 | <rstory> but the problem is in ltsp-update-sshkeys..
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| 09:59 | <vagrantc> well, what's the problem
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| 09:59 | <rstory> it has some hardcoded assumptions..
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| 09:59 | <vagrantc> indeed it does
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| 09:59 | <rstory> /usr/local/sbin/ltsp-update-sshkeys: line 6: tempfile: command not found
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| 09:59 | /usr/local/sbin/ltsp-update-sshkeys: line 21: $output: ambiguous redirect
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| 09:59 | <vagrantc> so you're trying to install from tarball ?
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| 10:00 | rstory: do you have mktemp ?
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| 10:00 | <rstory> yep
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| 10:00 | yep
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| 10:00 | and rhel uses /var/log/messages, not syslog...
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| 10:06 | <ltsppbot> "vagrantc" pasted "patches for ltsp-update-sshkeys" (53 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/140
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| 10:07 | <vagrantc> rstory: that ought to fix it ... even if it's a little ugly.
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| 10:07 | <rstory> no worries.. i'd already fixed my local version.. just wanted to make sure it got fixed upstream..
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| 10:08 | * vagrantc tries to kick upstream, but doesn't know where to kick | |
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| 10:10 | <vagrantc> ogra: i'm not proud of the massive merges: http://llama.freegeek.org/~vagrant/bzr/ltsp/vagrant-ltsp-mainline/
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| 10:10 | rstory: how did you patch it locally?
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| 10:12 | rstory: could also report on ... ltsp-developer@lists.sourceforge.net
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| 10:15 | <rstory> quick n dirty.. s/tmpfile/mktemp/ s/syslog/messages/
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| 10:16 | now the real problem.. ubutnu starts to boot, I get a sliver of color in the progress bar, then it drops bask to text mode, reports "can't access tty; job control turned off", and just sits there..
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| 10:17 | <vagrantc> hrm.
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| 10:17 | rstory: pxe boot, or etherboot?
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| 10:17 | <rstory> ah.. never mind.. bad path in mount request
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| 10:18 | <vagrantc> don't include the ip address in the root-path entry in dhcpd.conf
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| 10:32 | <rstory> right.. so now i have the ubutnu login screen.. how do I redirect to my xdmcp server?
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| 10:33 | <vagrantc> in /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf set SCREEN_07=startx
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| 10:38 | and if your XDMCP server is different than your NFS server, set SERVER= to point to your XDMCP server
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| 10:43 | <gepatino> hi, anybody had trouble using usb keyboard and mouse on the clients side?
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| 10:44 | i'm having a PCI error after loading the kernel, and the only 'strange' thing in the clients are usb keyboards and mouse
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| 11:07 | <rstory> ok, I set SYSLOG_HOST, and XDM_SERVER to point to the XDMCP server, and I see syslog packets, but not xdmcp
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| 11:07 | i see nbd_client errors in the syslog.. what's that?
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| 11:12 | <hick518> Hi, I'm Rob. I've never used IRC before, so I apologize in advance if I make a mistake...
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| 11:15 | I'm looking for help in creating/editing udev rules and scripts so that I can enable local access to a PCMCIA card reader that's installed in a thin client. Am I in the right place?
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| 11:24 | <vagrantc> rstory: nbd is used to do remote swap
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| 11:24 | rstory: if your clients have 64+ MB of memory, you could disable it in /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf
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| 11:25 | hick518: yeah, you're in the right place. haven't don't much with pcmcia and thin-clients though
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| 11:26 | * vagrantc grumbles at lintian errors | |
| 11:27 | <hick518> vagrantc: I have the lspci info and I know which modules need to be loaded (thanks to knoppix), but I don't understand the rules and scripts well enough to make one of my own. By the way, this is a PCI-based reader that accepts a PCMCIA memory card.
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| 11:28 | <vagrantc> hick518: which distro are you using?
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| 11:28 | <hick518> vagrantc: I'm using K12LTSP 5.0 EL. It's based on CentOS 5, and uses LTSP 4.2
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| 11:29 | <vagrantc> no clue
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| 11:31 | rstory: so, what comes up on the thin-client ? a grey screen?
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| 11:33 | <rstory> a ubutnu colored login screen..
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| 11:33 | <vagrantc> rstory: could you paste /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf to the pastebot ?
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| 11:33 | !pastebot
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| 11:33 | <ltspbot> vagrantc: "pastebot" is The LTSP pastebot is at http://pastebot.ltsp.org. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebot, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. A link to the content will be pasted in the channel.
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| 11:34 | <ltsppbot> "rstory" pasted "lts.conf" (7 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/141
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| 11:35 | <rstory> if I log in on vt1 and run "X -query $XDM_SERVER", I get the remote login window..
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| 11:35 | <vagrantc> rstory: add SCREEN_07=startx
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| 11:36 | rstory: you're probably going to have a hard time getting LOCALDEV to work.
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| 11:36 | <rstory> i also tried a remote id in the ubutnu login page, as well as local root... both just return to the login screen
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| 11:36 | <vagrantc> rstory: add SCREEN_07=startx
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| 11:36 | <rstory> i don't care about localdev.. that was just in the default file..
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| 11:36 | <vagrantc> ah, yes.
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| 11:37 | rstory: well, as long as it doesn't have any SCREEN_NN entries, it's going to run LDM and not try XDMCP
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| 11:37 | <rstory> ok.. but I'm curious as to what the ubutnu login screen on 7 is _supposed_ to do..
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| 11:37 | <vagrantc> it's a display manager that logs in via ssh
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| 11:37 | essentially a frontend for "ssh -X"
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| 11:37 | <rstory> aha... ok, i'll go look on the wiki to see if I can redirect that to another host..
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| 11:38 | <vagrantc> but it makes some debian-ish assumtions. to get something working i'd suggest XDMCP
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| 11:38 | rstory: add SCREEN_07=startx
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| 11:38 | and then it will use XDMCP
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| 14:47 | <vagrantc> http://lists.alioth.debian.org/pipermail/debian-np-devel/2004-November/000098.html
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| 14:47 | * vagrantc chuckles | |
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| 15:44 | <vagrantc> E: ltsp-client-builder udeb: duplicate-fields-in-templates ltsp-client-builder/build-client-opts Template
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| 15:45 | gah
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| 15:45 | no idea where that came from
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| 15:45 | <rstory> i think i'm on the verge of getting ldm to work to a different server..
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| 15:45 | <vagrantc> oh, you went that route, eh?
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| 15:46 | <rstory> yeah.. i like the idea of having sessions encrypted..
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| 17:27 | <cliebow_> if( !( $day_of_week % 5 ) ){
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| 17:27 | $table = $table."<tr>\n" ;
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| 17:27 | }
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| 17:27 | <jammcq> $table .= "<tr>\n";
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| 17:27 | <cliebow_> if $day_of_week is less than zero..
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| 17:28 | it evaluates and $table is created
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| 17:28 | ?
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| 17:30 | <jammcq> I can't see why sign would matter to your logic
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| 17:30 | if $day_of_week = -5, then $day_of_week % 5 = 0
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| 17:30 | !( 0 )
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| 17:31 | <ltspbot> jammcq: Error: "(" is not a valid command.
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| 17:31 | <jammcq> !( 0 )
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| 17:31 | <cliebow_> this calendar thing worls p[erfectly exept when a month starts on SUnday
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| 17:31 | <jammcq> would cause $table to get updated
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| 17:32 | <cliebow_> ok..Thanks..
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| 17:35 | it appears that when $day of week is -1 $table is updated
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| 17:35 | which makes nop sense
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| 23:13 | <bengoa> hi guys. Anybody knows about Artificial Inteligency concepts and/or techiniques used on dspam project? It's for a university work
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