IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.libera.chat (webchat)
Channel log from 2 January 2008 (all times are UTC)
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| 01:59 | <Solv> i've just removed a kubuntu ltsp install to use a gnome ubuntu install as kde had issues with local device detection....but whereas ltsp worked straightup with kubuntu, my thin client drop out of the splash screen into a busy box...anyone know what's going on here?
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| 02:22 | <Solv> i want to setup the smoothwall network boot, to point to the ubuntu ltsp image...but i can't figure out what the root path should be..or what the boot filename should be (pxe)
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| 02:22 | <Solv> i've tried /opt/ltsp/i386/boot, and filename pxelinux.0
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| 02:23 | also tried /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/...and tried nbi.img as well for a filename
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| 02:28 | <johnny> it should be the same one
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| 02:28 | that's in /etc/inetd.conf
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| 02:30 | <Solv> johnny, i tried to copy the /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf dir structure...but n go
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| 02:31 | <johnny> different box?
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| 02:31 | <Solv> yeah...the smoothwall needs to point to my ltsp server
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| 02:32 | tftp is in /var/lib/tftpboot according inetd.conf
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| 02:32 | maybe the file is 1386.img...and not pxelinux.0
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| 02:32 | <Solv> lists/opt/ltsp/images/i386.img
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| 02:40 | <Solv> okay apparently it's /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.cfg/default
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| 02:40 | checking now
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| 02:42 | nope...that doesn't work...arghh
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| 02:45 | <johnny> is it the same box?
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| 02:46 | err..
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| 02:46 | in dnsmasq, i had to set it to use another server
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| 02:46 | to point to the actual image served up by ltsp
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| 02:46 | ip:/tftproot
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| 02:46 | <Solv> johnny...no the smoothwall is a different box
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| 02:46 | <johnny> yes
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| 02:47 | my dnsmasq is on a real box, while my ltsp install is on a virtualbox instance
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| 02:47 | so i just set the proper dhcp option and passed the ip:/path
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| 02:47 | <Solv> but it has an option to enable a network boot server...and i point to the ip address of the ltsp box...and then you have to put in the boot filename and the root path
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| 02:47 | <johnny> hmm.. i just had to set the root path
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| 02:48 | and let tftp serve up the actual file
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| 02:48 | <johnny> from ltsp box
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| 02:48 | <Solv> okay...maybe i'll try that
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| 02:58 | <Solv> nah..still nothing...i'm sure you have to set the filename to pxelinux.0
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| 03:03 | <johnny> well.. guess you should check the logs
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| 03:04 | <Solv> johnny, on the ltsp server?
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| 03:04 | <johnny> first on your smoothwall box
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| 03:07 | <Solv> yeah...i'm running out of time...i'll just have to use the ltsp as dchp server for the moment
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| 03:29 | <johnny> ogra, you really here?
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| 06:39 | <Solv> i'm really struggling getting local devices to work on ubuntu...i did have it working...but after removing a broken package ltsp-client which i'm apparently not meant to run on this system...it stopped working...fuse is running...everything on the help wiki checks out....my usb drive is recognised in dmesg...but no joy!
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| 06:39 | i rebuilt the ltsp-image as well just in case
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| 06:51 | anybody?
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| 07:10 | <jammcq> g'morning and happy new year friends
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| 07:11 | <ogra> jammcq, !!
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| 07:11 | happy new year
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| 07:12 | * ogra sighs and goes back to mail #3853 ... | |
| 07:13 | <ogra> ... i hate holidays .... especially if 4500 mails stack up in one week :/
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| 07:15 | <sonjag> Good morning and Happy New Year!! (Ogra, just delete them all... ;)
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| 07:16 | <ogra> sonjag, i whish i could :)
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| 07:16 | <sonjag> ogra, who would know?!! Just say you were using a windows machine and they all got corrupted... heh
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| 07:17 | <ogra> actually i'm not even here (stil holiday until friday ad i'm supposed to stay away from teh computer (if my boss colin sees me online i'm in trouble))
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| 07:17 | <jammcq> heh
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| 07:17 | <ogra> lol
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| 07:17 | <jammcq> wow, on holiday until friday
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| 07:17 | must be nice
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| 07:17 | <ogra> ah well
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| 07:18 | if you get between 300 and 600 mails/day its never nice to be away that long
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| 07:19 | <sonjag> Hopefully quick question: I have a couple of LTSP servers using an NFS mount for home folders. One of them always gives me this message when I try to mount -a
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| 07:19 | mount: 172.27.1.42:/home/ELLISEAGLES already mounted or /home/ELLISEAGLES busy
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| 07:19 | and it doesn't show up when I run mount
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| 07:19 | Any ideas? The other server seems to pick it up fine.
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| 07:23 | <stgraber> hi ogra, good luck with your mails :)
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| 07:23 | <ogra> sonjag, is tha one gutsy ?
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| 07:23 | *that
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| 07:23 | <PerfDave> sonjag: Does "cat /proc/mounts" show up anything useful?
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| 07:24 | <stgraber> I saw that Debian packaged iTalc 1.0.4 (and split the library into its own package), so I've updated mine following their changes (I still have crashes in demo mode ...)
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| 07:24 | <ogra> note that ubuntu doesnt install the nfs-common package anymore from ubuntu-minimal since gutsy which is needed by nfs clients
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| 07:25 | <ogra> so your ltsp clients might not be able to even attempt to mount nfs shares
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| 07:25 | <sonjag> ogra, they're all fiesty... thinking about going Gutsy but haven't yet
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| 07:25 | PerfDave, here is the nfs mount line from cat /proc/mounts
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| 07:25 | 172.27.1.42:/home/ELLISEAGLES /home/ELLISEAGLES nfs rw,vers=3,rsize=524288,wsize=524288,hard,intr,proto=tcp,timeo=600,retrans=2,sec=sys,addr=172.27.1.42 0 0
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| 07:26 | I don't know if that's useful!!
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| 07:26 | <PerfDave> sonjag: Try "umount -l /home/ELLISEAGLES" on the client.
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| 07:26 | <ogra> thats on the system you get the error ?
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| 07:26 | +where
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| 07:26 | <sonjag> ogra, yes
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| 07:26 | <ogra> weird
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| 07:27 | so the error is right, its already mounted
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| 07:27 | <PerfDave> Sometimes /proc/mounts and the output of "mount" get out of sync
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| 07:27 | <ogra> but "mount" doesnt show it ?
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| 07:27 | <sonjag> ogra, but mount didn't show it....
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| 07:27 | <ogra> PerfDave, that shouldnt happen
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| 07:27 | <sonjag> lol--- no, mount didn't show it before or after I ran mount -a
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| 07:28 | <PerfDave> ogra: It shouldn't, but it does.
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| 07:28 | <ogra> PerfDave, which is a bug then
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| 07:28 | <PerfDave> ogra: Yeah, it's one of those random kernel bugs that nobody seems to be able to track down :)
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| 07:29 | <sonjag> PerfDave, I don't have a client to run it on here... it will take me about 10 mins...
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| 07:29 | PerfDave, the 2 servers are as close to identical as I can arrange. Same kernel (server).
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| 08:29 | <sgonzalez> Hey Gadi... HNY!
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| 08:30 | <Gadi> GO ELLIS EAGLES!!!!
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| 08:31 | <sgonzalez> Ahh the spirit of the ELLIS EAGLES lives strong :)
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| 08:31 | <Gadi> :) HNY, sgonzalez, and HNY to all
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| 08:45 | * ogra GRRS | |
| 08:46 | <ogra> OH I'M SO TIRED OF PEOPLE BREAKING THEIR SOUND BECAUSE THEY THNIK PULSE DOES THE SOUND STUFF !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!#
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| 08:46 | !
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| 08:47 | <yanu> i just find pulse did'nt work because libtool had a error somewhere
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| 08:47 | but fixed now
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| 08:47 | <ogra> in your client ?
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| 08:48 | <yanu> no, on the server
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| 08:48 | <ogra> pulse isnt used anywhere else its only the endpoint
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| 08:48 | LTSP USES ALSA !!!!
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| 08:48 | * ogra would love to wipe all references to pulse in the docs | |
| 08:48 | <yanu> still ltsp4.2 here
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| 08:48 | <ogra> yanu, ah, sorry then
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| 08:49 | sorry, i'm a bit upset about several bugs i get atm
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| 08:49 | <yanu> ? does alsa plays as a soundserver?
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| 08:50 | <ogra> and people thinking they are smart and breaking everything because they dont understand that we dnt actaully use pulse apart from providing a listener on the client side
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| 08:50 | <cliebow_> Gadi, should we all know what ellis eagles is??
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| 08:50 | <ogra> no, alsa emulates a virtual soundcard in the users session and cares for the setup in th session as well as the network transport
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| 08:51 | <yanu> i find audio very difficult, oss, alsa, esd, jack, nas, pulse ...
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| 08:52 | <ogra> its very easy in ltsp5 once you get the principle of virtual ala cards :) and understand that pulse isnt really involved more than providing a socket on the client
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| 08:52 | *alsa
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| 08:52 | <sgonzalez> cliebow_, ELLIS EAGLES is the name of my domain (I didn't name it... the last guy here did!) Gadi is just entertained at seeing it :) I've been thinking about your offer to see your school... is that offer still up? (In case you forget... you offered back in Sept some time!!)
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| 08:53 | <cliebow_> ohh sure..anytime..we are "ellsworth eagles"..but my ltsp is unfunded and losing "market share"
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| 08:53 | to ibooks
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| 08:55 | <sgonzalez> cliebow_, what grades do you cover? I thought the laptop program was only 7th grade. And are you running Fiesty, Gutsy, other?
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| 08:57 | <cliebow_> sgonzalez, i have feisty in a fifth grade class..redhat here in the high schjool..and out at cave hill school..
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| 08:57 | my top of the line clients are 200 meg clients with 32 meg of simm memory donated by the bank
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| 08:58 | the laptop is initiative is 7th and 8th grade..plus we have 2carts in 3-5 school..4 carts of twenty in the high school
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| 09:02 | <sgonzalez> cliebow_, nice. When the snow abates a bit, I'll plan a trip and hopefully check out Dave Trask's set up while I'm up that far north. Have you looked into load balancing with Gutsy? That's my next thing.
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| 09:04 | <cliebow_> sgonzalez, havnt made the switch to gutsy yet..cause my clients are too lowly..
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| 09:06 | <sgonzalez> cliebow_, will the clients need to be more powerful with Gutsy? I don't have high end clients.... are there specs on this?
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| 09:07 | <cliebow_> ogra may slap me up side the head..but in my mind 64 minimum
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| 09:07 | may run on 48
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| 09:07 | <ogra> since gutsy 32 should work
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| 09:08 | sort of :)
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| 09:08 | <PerfDave> The clients should just need to run the kernel and Xorg, no?
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| 09:08 | <ogra> since it will automatically add nbd swap if it detects less than 48M (the minimum for pre-gutsy)
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| 09:08 | <cliebow_> i guess i need to mock it up..biggest deal is so many netvistas are in use..and havnt yet loaded a gutsy kernel
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| 09:08 | <ogra> PerfDave, no, there is a bunch of other stuff
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| 09:09 | sound, localdev and ldm for example
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| 09:09 | <PerfDave> ldm?
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| 09:09 | <ogra> the login manager
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| 09:09 | <PerfDave> Ah yeah
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| 09:09 | <ogra> Ltsp Display Manager :)
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| 09:09 | we dont use/support gdm in ltsp5
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| 09:10 | (you can forcefully make it work but i wuldnt recommend it)
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| 09:10 | <PerfDave> I was using kdm anyway
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| 09:10 | <ogra> same for kdm
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| 09:10 | or xdm or any other server sided DM
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| 09:10 | <PerfDave> :/ I wonder whether ldm supports the features I need from kdm then
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| 09:11 | <ogra> if not, file a bug :)
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| 09:11 | <PerfDave> *grins*
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| 09:11 | <ogra> or better send a patch *g*
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| 09:13 | all server/client communication is done through the ssh tunnel ldm sets up during login so most features wint work with a DM that doesnt set this p
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| 09:13 | s/wint/wont/
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| 09:13 | <cliebow_> sgonzalez, trask seems to get all the equipment he wants.his may be certainly is a better one to look at.
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| 09:15 | * PerfDave is looking at applying to various places for funding for hardware soon for an LTSP cluster | |
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| 11:42 | <staffencasa_> my ltsp clients appear to be recreating the xorg.conf file on restart. Does anyone know a way to disable this?
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| 11:45 | <sutula> staffencasa_: Which ltsp version?
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| 11:47 | * sutula answers for ltsp 5: Add something like X_CONF = /etc/X11/xorg.conf.kitchen to lts.conf, putting the xorg.conf you want in a differently named file | |
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| 11:59 | <staffencasa_> sutula, yeah 5, i'll try that, thanks
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| 12:06 | sutula, I changed /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf to include X_CONF=/etc/X11/xorg.conf.email and copied the xorg.conf to xorg.conf.email and no luck. The Xorg.0.log file shows xorg.conf still being used. Any other suggestions?
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| 12:07 | <sutula> staffencasa_: What distro?
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| 12:07 | <staffencasa_> edubuntu 7.04
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| 12:09 | I'm also using a kiosk plugin so the only thing that runs is a few dialog boxes for prompting the user, xscreensaver and firefox
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| 12:09 | <Gadi> staffencasa_: instead of X_CONF, try: XF86CONFIG_FILE
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| 12:09 | <cliebow_> staffencasa:ftfp download of lts.conf started in gutsy right?
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| 12:09 | <sutula> staffencasa_: I don't...that approach is working for me on Debian, which has similar parentage
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| 12:10 | <Gadi> cliebow_: yes
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| 12:10 | <staffencasa_> gadi, i'll try that
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| 12:10 | <sutula> staffencasa_: The "X_CONF" name has changed a couple of times, IIRC
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| 12:10 | <cliebow_> right..when we started using the image..
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| 12:13 | <staffencasa_> looks like that worked, as that caused x to fail, I think I can get it from here. Thanks a ton, guys
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| 12:24 | <staffencasa_> so when it kills x, it asks me if i want to view theserver output and that report still shows xorg.conf instead of my xorg.conf.email file, which right now is just a copy. the output also says "(WW)VESA: No matching Device section for instance (BusID PCI:1:0:0) found (EE) No Devices detected. Fatal Server error: no screens found"
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| 12:26 | I might have it....
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| 12:29 | figured it out, nevermind (stupid agp video cards :))
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| 12:30 | <sutula> ogra: Which script/file parses lts.conf?
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| 12:40 | <poliveira> HI. Instead of using ldm I want to use startx to several desktops. In my tests I am unable to map local devices with startx. Is it possible?
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| 12:44 | <sutula> poliveira: "Possible?" I'm sure it is given enough effort. But I believe that functionality is provided by ldm, so you'd have to duplicate it's functionality yourself.
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| 12:46 | <poliveira> ldm uses ssh. I need to have the keys of the remote linux desktops to work. I don't want this.
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| 12:47 | <Gadi> poliveira: try editing /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/ssh/ssh_config and set StrictHostKeyChecking no
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| 12:47 | then ltsp-update-image
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| 12:49 | <poliveira> if I figured it out corretly, using ldm, the usb pen is mounted in the server under /media/$user/(media name) and then passed to the client. My idea is to use this for rdesktop and startx, but so far with no sucess
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| 12:53 | Gadi: with your sugestion, local devices works?
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| 12:53 | <Gadi> poliveira: with my suggestion, you will not need keys (hopefully) for each server
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| 12:53 | with ldm, that is
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| 12:55 | so, use ldm so that your localdevices work and run rdesktop from the server with local devs redirected to /media/$user
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| 12:56 | <ace_suares> !seen ogra
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| 12:56 | <ltspbot> ace_suares: ogra was last seen in #ltsp 3 hours, 42 minutes, and 52 seconds ago: <ogra> s/wint/wont/
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| 12:57 | <poliveira> can I make ldm to several desktops?
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| 12:58 | for instance screen_01=ldm IP1; screen_02=ldm IP2;?
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| 13:01 | <Gadi> poliveira: you can, but they would prolly go to the same server
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| 13:01 | just do:
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| 13:01 | SCREEN_07=ldm and SCREEN_08=ldm
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| 13:04 | <ace_suares> ogra!
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| 13:05 | !seen RIched
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| 13:05 | <ltspbot> ace_suares: RIched was last seen in #ltsp 33 weeks, 6 days, 2 hours, 1 minute, and 9 seconds ago: <RichEd> ??
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| 13:10 | <ace_suares> ogra wassup
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| 14:09 | <Blinny> Any eurekas with flash sound in 64-bit environment?
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| 14:15 | <johnny> it's all magic Blinny ..
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| 14:16 | it's easiest to just use 32bit
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| 14:21 | <Joe90> Happy New Year to all
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| 14:22 | <cliebow_> and you as well 8~)
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| 14:22 | <Joe90> Spent hols playing with my ltsp set-up
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| 14:23 | I have plenty of server CPU and memory, but I don't seem to have very much network bandwidth :(
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| 14:24 | Are there any tuning opportunities?
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| 14:35 | <johnny> gigabit switch?
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| 14:35 | and card
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| 14:39 | <Joe90> Gigabit NIC but cheap switch!
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| 14:47 | <Joe90> Will get a new switch and try it out. Thanks
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| 14:52 | <tier1> howdy all, has anybody else had problems with edubuntu hardy alpha 2
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| 14:53 | i was getting stuck at the initramfs prompt on the clients, but i think i have solved the problem
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| 14:59 | <tier1> after much poking around, the clients apparently couldnt mount the squashfs over nbd image
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| 15:00 | mount was returning invalid argument, but the nbd link was up and running
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| 15:01 | <cliebow_> tier1, i almopst think ogra is on top of that..
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| 15:01 | <tier1> i just got it fixed last night
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| 15:01 | i rebuilt the squashfs with -nolzma
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| 15:01 | bingo
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| 15:02 | seems like there are two versions of squashfs
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| 15:02 | <tier1> the fs in the kernel doesnt support lzma compression i believe
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| 15:03 | but the mksquashfs in hardy does lzma by default
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| 15:04 | <jtholmes> is jorge castro available
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| 15:07 | <tier1> i have both images on my system, and both of them end up the same exact size
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| 15:07 | <cliebow_> maybe??? jorge.castro@gmail.com
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| 15:08 | jorge@ubuntu.com
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| 15:08 | <tier1> so, yeah, thats my helpful hint for the day
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| 15:08 | <jtholmes> cliebow_, thanks will look him up
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| 15:09 | <cliebow_> k..
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| 15:10 | <tier1> i guess i need not file a bug report on launchpad, right?
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| 15:46 | <ace_suares> !seen ogra
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| 15:46 | <ltspbot> ace_suares: ogra was last seen in #ltsp 6 hours, 33 minutes, and 23 seconds ago: <ogra> s/wint/wont/
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| 15:46 | <ace_suares> guys I have an unbootable pc
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| 15:47 | not an ltsp problem tough (altough the clients runs of this server)
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| 15:47 | I just did a standard upgrade and beng pc can not boot anymore
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| 15:47 | now I am really out in the woods on this one.
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| 15:47 | have seen a lot in my linux-life but never an apt-get update && apt-get upgrade && reboot -> unbbootable.
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| 15:50 | <johnny> you should go to your distro support channel
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| 15:50 | or look up the errors
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| 15:52 | <johnny> i hope you weren't planning on bugging ogra with that issue
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| 15:53 | people tend to get irritated when that is done
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| 16:03 | <yanu> ace_suares: probably some mistake with the kernel
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| 16:08 | <yanu> ace_suares: look here http://www.andrejciho.com/linux/repairing-grub/
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| 16:13 | <ace_suares> yanu: itś not a grub problem
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| 16:13 | yanu: it started after a recent apt-get update
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| 16:13 | yanu: it boots up and untill some mysterious point and then drops into busybox
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| 16:14 | yanu: sometimes it stops at ćd-rom-driver
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| 16:14 | yanu: sometimes at uchi/usb/mouse
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| 16:14 | yanu: sometimes at sata something something
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| 16:14 | <yanu> ace_suares: ok, then i have no id
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| 16:14 | <ace_suares> yanu: but even if i remove usb and cdrom it stops somewhere
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| 16:15 | yanu: nobody seems to have an idea...
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| 16:15 | * ace_suares loves open source :-) | |
| 16:15 | <yanu> checked ram?
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| 16:15 | does the system start with a livecd? knoppix or ubuntu-livecd
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| 16:16 | <ace_suares> yanu: yes, dit a 6 hr memtest
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| 16:16 | <ace_suares> yanu: and yes, it boots from the live cd (kernel 2.6.22-14 !) but NOT from the harddisk (kernel 2.6.22-14 OR 2.6.20-15
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| 16:17 | yanu: the weird thing is that it does'n boot with the old 2.6.20 kernel ! that has not been updated!
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| 16:17 | yanu: could it be an error in modules or udev or something ?
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| 16:17 | johnny: the distro is edubuntu
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| 16:18 | <yanu> hmm indeed wierd, it could be everything that has to do with the kernel (modules,...)
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| 16:18 | <johnny> ace_suares, yeah.. but this isn't #edubuntu
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| 16:18 | <jbassett> Hello folks. I currently run squid and squidguard on my ltsp server no problem but i want to use dansguardian. The guides I hvae found seem to indicate that it cannot be set up on any machine other than the router though, is this right?
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| 16:19 | <johnny> there we go again
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| 16:19 | <sutula> jbassett: Which distro are you running?
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| 16:19 | <jbassett> debian and ltsp 4.1
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| 16:20 | <johnny> you'll find better help on a specific channel prolly
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| 16:20 | <sutula> jbassett: Try #debian ...there's 815 people there
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| 16:21 | <johnny> hmm.. also.. finding help for ltsp 4.1 is difficult in any case :)
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| 16:21 | <jbassett> yeah i tried the dansguardian channel first but that was empty
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| 16:21 | will try deb yeah
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| 16:21 | <yanu> jbassett: it runs here on debian sid with ltsp4.2, but don't ask me how i did it ;)
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| 16:22 | <johnny> any folks in here using sabayon for ltsp user profiles and are interested in testing new versions?
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| 16:22 | i'll be rolling up some patches shortly
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| 16:22 | just waiting for the account
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| 16:23 | i'll be integrating some of the ubuntu upstream patches, and trolling the launchpad entries :)
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| 16:23 | jk
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| 16:24 | and then i'll go through suse,gentoo,debian,fedora upstream looking for patches
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| 16:24 | and also.. unrelately.. getting opensolaris as an option
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| 16:24 | <yanu> jbassett: http://www.pilpi.net/journal/item-985.php and http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=207008
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| 18:27 | <ari_stress> morning, happy new year everyone :D
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| 18:55 | <sue_> anyone here have any idea just how auto-sensing the X server integration is in LTSP5? I have a HP 5510 client that wont display to the monitor...out of sync/range
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| 18:56 | yet in the supported clients doc it says that the HP T5500 works fine
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| 18:57 | well I guess the 5530 says to add 'XSERVER = vesa and X_VIDEORAM = 16384' but I have the 5510
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| 18:57 | I would think they are close enough but I am really struggling here\
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| 18:57 | and that recomendation says for LTSP 4.2
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| 18:57 | uggh
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| 19:07 | <sutula> sue_: I had that problem...apparently there is some autosensing trouble with some X versions.
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| 19:08 | sue_: I'm adding the following to lts.conf to get around it:
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| 19:08 | X_MODE_0 = 1280x1024
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| 19:08 | X_MODE_1 = 1024x768
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| 19:08 | X_MODE_2 = 800x600
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| 19:08 | X_HORZSYNC = "30-75"
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| 19:08 | X_VERTREFRESH = "43-72"
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| 19:08 | <sue_> so is this lil' guy useless to me or is there a chance or tweak that I can add to lts.conf to get this playing nice?
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| 19:08 | <ace_suares> It turns out that grub made all /dev/md3 into /dev/md2 and this is not a kernel bug. It is related to the upgrade tough, and might be filed as a bug in itself. Also, the nvidia driver suddenly seems to be missing.
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| 19:08 | <sue_> very nice thanks let me give that a run
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| 19:09 | ya using one of these HP thin clients are well or some thing else for your TC?
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| 19:09 | <sutula> sue_: I have a number of t5710's, so ymmv
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| 19:10 | <sue_> yeah i have one of those exact models at work as well but this is from the t5000 (5510) family
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| 19:10 | * sutula has to run...later | |
| 19:10 | <sue_> that my logistics dept gave me as they are of no use to them apparently or were from an old contract
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| 19:11 | thank you very much
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| 19:27 | <sue_> that worked sutula, gracias
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| 19:28 | <ari_stress> sutula: is it a must to specify the refresh rate? I'm afraid it will damage the monitor
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| 19:28 | <sue_> gotta love the OSS community, cant get support/response like that in the commercial world!
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| 19:43 | <bopols> are there no outstanding issues with LTSP5 on debian testing?
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| 19:44 | <bopols> or should i go for debian etch/satble instead.
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| 19:45 | <bopols> i tried installing ltsp5 on debian testing about 3 weeks ago and i ran into issues with the workstation failing to boot.
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| 19:46 | can u folks advise me if there are known issues to the ltsp5 debian testing setup.
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| 19:47 | i mean, am i the only one having the aboce issue?
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| 19:51 | i have debian etch and ltsp 4.2 working in 2 school installations.
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| 19:51 | but ltsp5 is a headache for me.
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| 19:52 | i suppose castaway's arguments (in favor of ltsp 4.2) are still valid.
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| 19:53 | the only thing that is different in my recent install is that i am doing it on mirrored drives - RAID 1.
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| 19:53 | cud that be the culprit?
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| 19:55 | <bopols> however, everything seems to be ok at the server - nfs, dhcp are all running and configrured.
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| 19:56 | oh well ... happy new year to all.
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| 19:56 | :-[
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| 21:33 | <AzMoo> Hey, where's the documentation for the lts.conf file? People keep talking about auto login and kiosk mode and all that, but I can't find anything that tells me how to use that.
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| 21:37 | <Solv> can someone please explain to me how ltsp5 ubuntu detects and sets screen resolutions...I've noticed it sets different resolution for different hardware...and interestingly, the desktops resolution settings (which i would have thought would only be relevant for the servers local video card and monitor) refelect the resolution settings of the current terminal i'm on..
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| 21:37 | that been said I would like to change the resolutions...as for some monitors they are too low, and everything is too big...i had them setup in fedora ltsp4.2 on higher resolutions with no problem
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| 21:38 | currently i just set the lts.conf file to 1024x768....but some monitors have a native resolution of 1280x1024...and one monitor gets given 800x600...even though it can cope with 1024x768??
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| 21:39 | if I set the resolution in lts.conf to 1280x1024...ltsp ignores this and sets the monitors to 1280x800 which looks horrible
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| 21:43 | okay i'm gonna copy and paste this in edubuntu....nobody seems to be around the last couple of days...and there is no documentation on this stuff
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| 21:50 | <ari_stress> AzMoo: hi
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| 21:50 | AzMoo: The lts.conf reference doc is in lts-parameter.gz
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| 21:50 | search your harddrive for the file
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| 21:51 | Solv: hi
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| 21:51 | Solv: where do you put the screen resolution setting?
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| 21:52 | <Solv> in /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/lts.conf
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| 21:52 | <ari_stress> Solv: that's good
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| 21:52 | i have the same problme
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| 21:52 | one of the clients gets 800x600 which is too low
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| 21:52 | i want 1024x768
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| 21:53 | <Solv> i'm going to try putting three modes in...X_MODE_0 = 800x600 X_MODE_1 = 1024x768 X_MODE_2 = 1280x1024
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| 21:54 | and then u can press ctrl and alt and numpad+ to switch between them
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| 21:54 | <ari_stress> that sounds cool
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| 21:54 | <Solv> i'll be back...have to go help someone who can't login
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| 21:54 | <ari_stress> ok
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| 21:54 | <Solv> exit
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| 21:54 | hehe
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| 21:55 | woops...wrong window
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| 21:57 | <AzMoo> ari_stress: hey, ta, but there doesn't seem to be all of the options in there. eg, http://forum.freespire.org/showthread.php?t=12655 - They talk about the LDM_USERNAME option, which isn't in the lts-parameter file.
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| 22:01 | <ari_stress> oh really? i wonder where the full doc is documented
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| 22:17 | <Solv> well no luck with the resolution problem
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| 22:19 | i think it's great that ltsp is integrated with ubuntu and works really well...but the documentation for it is appaling...i think the developers really need to get some up to date documentation on how to not just install but also adminster ltsp5...
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| 22:19 | ltsp 4.1 and 4.2 are very well documented on the ltsp wiki...and almost any problem you come across can be solved b checking the docs/wiki...but the ubuntu ones are out of date and very sparse
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| 22:39 | <chupacabra> quit bitching and start helping.
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| 22:59 | <iMacGyver> chupacabra: talking?
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| 23:09 | <chupacabra> huh?
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| 23:11 | <AzMoo> I think he's implying that the word "bitching" is inappropriate.
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| 23:14 | <chupacabra> ahh. Jim wouldn't care for it either. but everyone submits code and patches and nobody submits docs.
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| 23:15 | <iMacGyver> chupacabra: < chupacabra> quit bitching and start helping.
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| 23:15 | <chupacabra> the story of oss
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| 23:15 | <iMacGyver> ^-- sounds like bitching ;)
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| 23:17 | <chupacabra> ok, does Solv above not?
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| 23:18 | <iMacGyver> hard to help document, when you are trying to rtfm yourself :)
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| 23:20 | <chupacabra> in that case i write docs as i go until it is fixed and submit them to someone to decipher and make understandable
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| 23:20 | and put them with the docs for the project
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| 23:21 | <iMacGyver> and?
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| 23:21 | what do you write in the parts you don't know how to do?
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| 23:21 | <chupacabra> then the next bloke along that way wont have the same problem
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| 23:21 | <iMacGyver> and how will this help others who also don't know anything about those parts?
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| 23:22 | but how did you solve your problem?
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| 23:22 | <chupacabra> eventually i know what to write as problems get solved.
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| 23:23 | <iMacGyver> and where does bitching about bitching come in?
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| 23:23 | <chupacabra> I always trust irc to help me solve problems
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| 23:23 | <iMacGyver> well mr irc is failing me so far today :(
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| 23:25 | <chupacabra> I was just telling jim I need to get up with the code and he told me he did to as the kids have taken over. So I would probably set you wrong
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| 23:25 | what you bumping against?
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| 23:26 | <iMacGyver> ok, so i have 64 bit edubuntu server i created a 32 bit ltsp image, now i need to compile a module (e1000) to work on the 32 bit kernel of the 32 bit image, but i'm hitting a wall, any clues
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| 23:26 | i've done it all fine on edubuntu server 32 bit, but 64 bit is where i'm having the issue
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| 23:26 | <johnny> you might have to compile it in the chroot
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| 23:27 | <iMacGyver> i do
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| 23:27 | <chupacabra> outa my league. IRC is really slow the last few weeks.
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| 23:28 | ya ubuntu chroots everything if i recall
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| 23:28 | where does it error out?
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| 23:29 | <iMacGyver> i've compiled it and put it in the initrd image just fine when on the 32bit ubuntu server host
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| 23:29 | chupacabra: when compiling the module
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| 23:29 | <chupacabra> e1000 is some ethernet card?
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| 23:29 | <iMacGyver> it gives an error about not being able to find irq_<something>.h
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| 23:30 | chupacabra: brand new intel onboard, on dell vostro 200/400
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| 23:30 | the driver isn't in the kernel nor backports for gusty
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| 23:30 | (the updated driver)
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| 23:30 | <chupacabra> mebby too new? surely you googled that though.
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| 23:31 | <iMacGyver> of course :) and like i said i got it working fine on the 32 bit host
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| 23:31 | so it's definitely something about compiling 32 bit modules in a chroot 32 bit environment under a 64 bit kernel
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| 23:32 | <chupacabra> I hate to sound like a M$ tech but I don't think it is a ltsp problem.
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| 23:32 | i also already said id prolly be wrong
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| 23:33 | <iMacGyver> well since ltsp lets you have a 32 bit image on a 64 bit host, it's kinda both ;)
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| 23:33 | <chupacabra> did you email the list?
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| 23:33 | <iMacGyver> not yet, just ran into the problem this evening
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| 23:33 | <chupacabra> i know, but ive seen 32/64 snafus
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| 23:34 | is this a production system?
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| 23:35 | <iMacGyver> preproduction, right now i have it on a 32 bit server :)
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| 23:35 | <chupacabra> ahh ok. cool.
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| 23:36 | johnny: anything to add. you prolly know these answers more than I.
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| 23:38 | someone will come along with more skllz
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| 23:40 | <johnny> iMacGyver, do you plan on using wine or flash ?
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| 23:40 | if so. stick with 32bit server
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| 23:40 | <iMacGyver> johnny: no, why?
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| 23:40 | but you can use nash, or do a 32 bit ff install ;)
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| 23:41 | <chupacabra> ya, read about that yesterday
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| 23:41 | <johnny> yeah.. but the sound is hard to configure
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| 23:41 | <iMacGyver> in?
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| 23:41 | <johnny> in flash
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| 23:41 | if you have it working.. there's some guy here who would really like your help :)
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| 23:42 | <iMacGyver> ah, yeah, i'm using java, have to install the 32 bit, and using pdsp because java is being sucky
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| 23:42 | <johnny> do you have a real reason to go with 64bit?
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| 23:42 | <iMacGyver> for flash, maybe gnash is your best bet
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| 23:42 | <johnny> it doesn't seem worth the hassle
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| 23:42 | * chupacabra thinks java is just sucky | |
| 23:42 | <johnny> gnash doesn't cut it
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| 23:42 | <iMacGyver> yeah, i want the server to have more than 4GB of ram
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| 23:42 | <johnny> not yet
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| 23:42 | didn't i read something aobut that?
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| 23:43 | that you could use more than 4GB with 32bit
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| 23:43 | <iMacGyver> chupacabra: it's awesome for me, it allows nice migration off windows
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| 23:43 | <chupacabra> i kinda thought so
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| 23:45 | <iMacGyver> for flash, if you run firefox with padsp then you could do it
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| 23:46 | i move java to java-bin and then create a script, padsp java-bin $* as java
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| 23:46 | then the audio works great
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| 23:46 | of course i also install pulse on the server
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| 23:47 | not sure why edubuntu server doesn't have all the pulse stuff installed by default
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| 23:48 | <johnny> hmm... gnome-cups-icon goes insane on me
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| 23:48 | i need to fix that
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| 23:49 | reminds me..
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| 23:49 | does anybody in here use, or want to use the sabayon application?
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| 23:52 | <AzMoo> It's interested me.
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| 23:55 | <chupacabra> sounds interesting to me too.
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| 23:55 | hmmm
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| 23:57 | <AzMoo> I'm yet to have an opportunity to play with it though.
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| 23:59 | <chupacabra> dern almost tomorrow
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