IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.libera.chat (webchat)
Channel log from 15 July 2018 (all times are UTC)
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| 09:48 | <alkisg> # On Debian-based systems, don't ifdown the interfaces on shutdown
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| 09:48 | Hey all, is that correct, or should it be "In Debian-"... ?
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| 09:50 | <fiesh> I'd go for on
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| 09:50 | but I would think both are acceptable
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| 09:50 | there is even a discussion about the trickiness of this, haha: https://english.stackexchange.com/questions/261236/in-a-system-vs-on-a-system
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| 09:52 | <alkisg> Ty fiesh, committing it with "on" :)
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| 09:53 | <fiesh> my wife, Canadian and no technical expertise, prefers in though ;-)
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| 09:53 | hehe yw
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| 09:54 | <alkisg> Haha, hopefully she won't be reading the LTSP changelog :D
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| 09:55 | <fiesh> haha
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| 10:14 | <alkisg> bcg: server/share/ltsp/plugins/ltsp-build-client/Redhat/009-mock-chroot has a shebang, and it makes lintian complain as it's sourced by ltsp-build-client and not executed, I'm going to remote the shebang, ok?
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| 10:14 | *remove
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| 10:32 | <bcg> yes, remove.
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| 10:41 | <alkisg> ty, done
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| 17:51 | * alkisg_web waves to vagrantc | |
| 17:51 | <alkisg_web> vagrantc: I did some upstream and some packaging changes; I had tested them in the past but not recently; I'll test again within the next days
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| 17:52 | Hopefully I didn't break anything, but if I did, I'll fix it :)
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| 18:21 | (will read logs)
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| 18:36 | <vagrantc> alkisg: cool
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| 18:36 | <alkisg> back :)
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| 18:36 | Well, at least the ppa build seems ok
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| 18:37 | I removed most of the ubuntu diff, as it was things for ltsp-cluster or for upstart or things that didn't work anyway...
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| 18:38 | So now hopefully it's `apt install ltsp-server-standalone` for classic ltsp, and `apt install ltsp-server-standalone ltsp-client` for ltsp-pnp
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| 18:52 | <alkisg> highvoltage: where is the upstream for ldm-ubuntu-themes? E.g. ttf-ubuntu-font-family is a transitional package...
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| 18:52 | so that dependency should be updated
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| 19:18 | <alkisg> vagrantc: for https://bugs.launchpad.net/ltsp/+bug/1781774 I have this prepared: HOST_TO_USERNAME="pc/guest"
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| 19:18 | That translates to: if hostname contains "pc", e.g. pc01, then sed that to e.g. guest01. If not, *unset* autologin.
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| 19:18 | Is it a reasonable approach, naming etc?
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| 19:19 | (this is to prevent endless autologin attempts on unknown clients, without messing your "all ltspXXX users exist for this subnet" use case)
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| 19:21 | "then sed that to e.g. guest01" => eh, there I meant: set LDM_USERNAME=guest01
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| 19:24 | Heh, thin clients with 256 RAM don't boot in Ubuntu 18.04, at least without optimizations, due to very big initramfs
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| 19:28 | At LDM they only need 100 MB though :/
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| 19:43 | <vagrantc> thin clients have to put on some weight :)
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| 19:44 | alkisg: HOST_TO_USERNAME seems like a reasonable feature ... only problem is weather the separator is valid
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| 19:44 | <alkisg> vagrantc: I put it to sed as it is, in case someone wants to do something more fancy with regexes
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| 19:44 | <vagrantc> alkisg: i'm often surprised by what some systems allow as usernames
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| 19:44 | <alkisg> What else could we use?
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| 19:45 | <vagrantc> alkisg: ah, it's passed directly to sed?
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| 19:45 | <alkisg> Ah, then they could escape it of course
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| 19:45 | (the backslash)
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| 19:45 | yeah
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| 19:45 | <vagrantc> alkisg: depends on the sed call, then :)
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| 19:46 | but in theory that sounds like a reasonable way to handle it
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| 19:46 | <alkisg> E.g. HOST_TO_USERNAME="host\/name/user"
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| 19:46 | I.e. they'd escape their slash in the hostname part
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| 19:46 | (although maybe it needs two backslashes there due to lts.conf parsing, but that's another story)
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| 19:47 | AFAIK hostnames with slashes aren't valid thouhg
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| 19:47 | Like in the internet, it would be www.goo/gle.com :D
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| 19:47 | <vagrantc> that's the only concern, and if it works for what i would hope to be the majority of use-cases, bugs can be filed to fix the rest when they come up :)
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| 19:48 | <alkisg> Ah well ok they might need it for the usernames, not the hostnames, but same escape should work
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| 19:49 | HOST_TO_USERNAME="hostname/domain\/username"
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| 19:50 | For nbd-checkupdate, I just put a small delay and backgrounded it, it should be rather solid that way. Let's not remove it until ltsp6 in case someone actually uses it
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| 19:53 | * vagrantc would be happy to remove nbd-checkupdate | |
| 19:55 | <alkisg> Great, I'll do that then :D
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| 19:58 | <vagrantc> alkisg: fottsia has been busy with the bug tracker :)
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| 19:58 | <alkisg> The team has started working this week, finally!
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| 19:59 | <vagrantc> which team?
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| 20:00 | <alkisg> The greek schools support team. Or, a small part of it at least
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| 20:00 | E.g. I got left out; I'll start in September :(
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| 20:00 | #(*&$#( bureaucrats :D
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| 20:01 | <vagrantc> oh
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| 20:02 | <alkisg> Ouch, `udevadm settle` takes 60 secs, cause slow boots...
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| 20:04 | *causing
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| 20:06 | <vagrantc> alkisg: or possibly add your delay and disable nbd-checkupdate by default...
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| 20:06 | <alkisg> vagrantc: since cryptsetup is causing issues temporarily on debian, maybe instead of defaulting to ENCRYPTED_SWAP=False, we could (also?) remove it from X-Debian-Depends? It's making the initramfs larger...
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| 20:07 | * vagrantc sighs | |
| 20:07 | <vagrantc> guess so
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| 20:07 | <alkisg> Nice
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| 20:07 | Heh. I think those weird udev delays are caused by Ubuntu's snapd loop devices...
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| 20:08 | <vagrantc> unencrypted swap seems like such a terrible idea ...
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| 20:08 | well, unencrypted network swap
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| 20:08 | <alkisg> I'm really going to suggest to our users to purge snapd right after the installation :D
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| 20:08 | Indeed
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| 20:08 | <vagrantc> but i haven't had the time to fix it properly
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| 20:09 | <alkisg> I also removed a "test -w /" patch, it should be fixed since 2011..
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| 20:09 | <vagrantc> heh
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| 20:11 | <alkisg> Ouououch it's ltspfs trying to export snapd loop devices
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| 20:11 | <vagrantc> waaah.
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| 20:12 | i know how much you love ltspfs :)
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| 20:12 | <alkisg> I really wonder how people say they tried 18.04 and it "worked fine for them" :D
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| 20:12 | Hahaha
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| 20:12 | ltspfs + snapd, my favorite mix
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| 20:13 | <vagrantc> no snapd on my installs, at least :)
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| 20:13 | <alkisg> A gsoc project will add greek characters to cantarell, the debian/gnome default font
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| 20:13 | One less reason keeping us to ubuntu... and a lot more reasons to switch away nowadays...
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| 20:21 | ltspfsmounter says `if not get_var('SSH_CONNECTION'): conn = "127.0.0.1"`. I've no idea why it would assume there's an ssh connection to localhost there... no wonder it hangs waiting
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| 20:30 | <alkisg> Yey, boot time from 150 secs down to 13 :D
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| 20:34 | Meh I'm checking for systemd when init-ltsp is running.
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| 20:35 | * alkisg <== noob | |
| 20:35 | <vagrantc> heh
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| 20:38 | * alkisg waves for now, continuing tomorrow with a big cup of coffee... | |
| 20:39 | <quinox> let me know when LTSP is ready to be used on 18.04
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| 20:39 | <alkisg> quinox: sure, will do
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