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Channel log from 4 June 2011 (all times are UTC)
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| 03:38 | <muppis> Hm.. Stream didn't play well when app runned at server but plays well when runned as local app.
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| 03:39 | Downsides of wlan bridge. :)
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| 03:58 | <andygraybeal> morrninigning
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| 04:10 | <alkisg> Morn(ing)x4
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| 04:11 | Well, actually after(noon)x4 here
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| 04:15 | <andygraybeal> :))
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| 04:15 | so that presentation softwar worked, but now the guy in charge of the presentation doesn't want to use it ! gah.. people.
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| 04:15 | but anyway, it works, and we can do it in the future if neededd
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| 04:22 | <muppis> USB automouting does not work with 64 bit client, but works with 32 bit client.
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| 04:23 | Yet haven't tried 32 bit runned in 64 bit's hardware.
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| 04:26 | <alkisg> What presentation software?
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| 04:26 | muppis: search the mailing list there was a patch suggested for 64 bit
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| 04:28 | <muppis> alkisg, thanks. I'll do that, when I have time for that.
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| 04:42 | <muppis> Is there possibility to access FTDI chip (USB UART) from server or do I need run app locally?
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| 04:43 | I need it for java application and it doesn't start locally because of missing GtkToolkit
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| 04:45 | <andygraybeal> muppis, omg.. your amazing
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| 04:46 | <muppis> andygraybeal, what I've done now? 0.o
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| 04:46 | <andygraybeal> usb uart access .. on clients.. from the server.. your awesome!
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| 04:46 | i cna't imagine :)
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| 04:47 | <muppis> Well, if I can't make java runned locally, then that need to be done. :)
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| 04:47 | <andygraybeal> what is it that you are doing anyway? what is the overall application/job being done?
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| 04:49 | <muppis> Trying to get Arduino IDE running, that needs access to PIC and that one is behind FTDI.
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| 04:49 | <andygraybeal> arduino effin rules
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| 04:49 | yes, i should marry yuo
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| 04:50 | i have 2 arduino!
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| 04:51 | <muppis> I got 3, but I think I burned one by powering it incorrectly.
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| 04:51 | <andygraybeal> is it for a class?
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| 04:51 | <muppis> For my thesis.
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| 04:52 | <andygraybeal> nice .. can you explain what that is in a sentence or two?
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| 04:53 | <muppis> Trying to make GPS locator where data is transferred over radiolink and delivered over BT at user end.
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| 04:53 | <alkisg> Why not install all the java dependencies locally?
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| 04:54 | <muppis> alkisg, trying to do that.
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| 04:54 | But I'm not familiar with error messages of java. ;)
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| 04:54 | <alkisg> gdebi is your friend, it automatically installs dependencies
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| 04:58 | <andygraybeal> muppis, very awesome, i have to read what you wrote like 3 times
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| 04:58 | muppis, so what would the use of that be? i'm sorry i'm not very imaginative
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| 05:00 | <muppis> andygraybeal, like locating hound from the forest.
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| 05:00 | <andygraybeal> nice
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| 05:00 | we got coon hunters around here that spend way too much on their dogs
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| 05:08 | <muppis> Puuh.. Runninbg out of space in client. Too much fooling around. :)
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| 05:10 | Finally. Wasn't that hard, just finding correct packages. :)
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| 05:16 | <andygraybeal> so your doing this in ltsp environment; are you planning on the "hound" to wear the arduino? or how does it all fit together?
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| 05:17 | <andygraybeal> must have diagram!
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| 05:18 | ignore me.. get some work done.
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| 05:19 | <muppis> andygraybeal, I'm just lazy to install local Ubuntu to ease my task, but yes. My plan is put arduino-clone to hound's back to send it location to other arduino which checks it and delivers it to GPS software at mobile phone.
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| 05:20 | <andygraybeal> you are definetly pilot!
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| 05:20 | cheif!
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| 05:20 | <muppis> I'm not feeling like that. Just trying to doing by laws at here in Finland.
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| 05:21 | <andygraybeal> doing by laws at here? ? there is a law ? i'm confused with your sentence sorry.
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| 05:22 | <muppis> Our local laws restricts radiousage in such of thing.s
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| 05:22 | <andygraybeal> aaah okay
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| 05:25 | just because arduino is so awesome, i'm wondering if you've heard of another device, that scales better and is open source.. designed by christian klippel
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| 05:26 | he calls it a multi-io ... his old website is down..so i don't know if he still has schematics and parts list around
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| 05:27 | it's bigger also, so scales best, but not applicable in smaller spaces.. though he is (was?) making it smaller.. but it iwll never be as small as arduino.
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| 05:31 | <muppis> I don't how much more open and better scaling open source can be? Java based IDE is released under GPL and microcontroller libraries under LGPL. :)
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| 05:32 | Best sides of those clones are that they are small. Even with (small) battery it fits in matchbox.
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| 05:34 | <andygraybeal> no no .. i mean hardware
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| 05:35 | and when scaling i mean hardware scaling, like more sensors.. that's all.
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| 05:35 | not that it is better for your applicaiton though - i am just letting you know about this other device, that's all.
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| 05:36 | and the size of this device is much bigger.. like think a regular sized book
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| 05:36 | if'n ever you need an application that needs more sensors and etc :)
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| 05:39 | i can't find the multi-io information though.. so maybe he has taken it down
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| 05:40 | his nick is mamalala and he lives in #dataflow
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| 05:46 | <muppis> Ok, it's more like sensorboard than microcontroller?
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| 05:46 | <andygraybeal> i think both
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| 05:46 | i think it does everything arduino does, but hardware wise it is more scalable (though much bigger)
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| 05:46 | by scalable i mean it is able to handle more sensors
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| 05:47 | i dunno i should stop talking, i don't really know what i'm talking about ;)
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| 05:47 | but mamalala can help if you ever need such a device.
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| 05:51 | <muppis> Thanks.
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| 05:54 | <muppis> Getting out of luck again, but this time with Arduino IDE.
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| 06:00 | Bummer. I'm forced to install local Ubuntu to get things working. Shame.
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| 06:01 | <andygraybeal> ah client image doesn't cut it?
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| 06:01 | <muppis> Getting Java IO errors when trying to flash code to chip and got no nerve get it fixed.
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| 06:02 | <andygraybeal> *nods* sounds scary.
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| 06:03 | <muppis> It not scary, it just doesn't work.
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| 06:08 | <alkisg> Why not use ltsp fat clients instead? They're just like local installations...
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| 06:08 | And if you use nfs or a dedicated partition, there's even no need to run ltsp-update-image
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| 06:09 | <muppis> alkisg, maybe that beats the local installation. I'll give a try.
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| 06:09 | <alkisg> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/FatClients
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| 06:10 | <muppis> Maybe my wlan kills benefits of fat clients. ;)
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| 06:10 | <alkisg> Fat clients require less bandwidth than thin though
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| 06:10 | So if you were working with thin, it should be better with fat anyway
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| 06:12 | <muppis> Only booting over wlan is slow.
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| 06:17 | <Hyperbyte> muppis, real men never reboot.
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| 06:17 | <andygraybeal> hah
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| 06:17 | omg, i'm like goddamniit!! atleast once a week
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| 06:18 | <muppis> Hyperbyte, I'm not that kind of real man.
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| 06:19 | ;)
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| 06:36 | <Hyperbyte> (that picture is out of focus by the way, in case you're wondering)Hehe
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| 06:36 | ehm
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| 06:36 | Where did that line come from?
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| 06:37 | Disregard that, I meant to say just: Hehe
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| 06:37 | <andygraybeal> hah aewsome...
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| 06:37 | i was like umm? what?
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| 06:37 | <Hyperbyte> And after that I was going to admit that I'm no real man either, because as a green-freak I always turn off every PC I don't use as well. :P
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| 06:37 | But the ghost line that appeared up there kinda ruined it. :(
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| 06:48 | <muppis> I just don't like the sound what they make.
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| 07:02 | <Hyperbyte> You know
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| 07:02 | If you listen closely to the sound, you'll actually hear them speak... seriously.
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| 07:02 | Go ahead... hold your ear up to one... 'ssshhshshssssss.... muppisssss.... pleasssshshshe turn me offfff... i usssse too much pooooweerrrrshshshshhs'
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| 07:02 | :O
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| 07:03 | <muppis> You're freaking me out. ;)
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| 07:05 | <andygraybeal> is their standard boiler plate site that explains why html is evil in email?
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| 07:06 | wtf.. like million sirens
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| 07:06 | omg,, it's an effin parade outside my window!! what the hell day is it?
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| 07:10 | <Hyperbyte> andygraybeal, happy birthday!!!
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| 07:10 | <andygraybeal> hah
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| 07:11 | sory i posted that in wrong channel;
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| 07:11 | i tyry to stay on topic most of the time
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| 07:11 | <Hyperbyte> Me too. So how do you like your birthday parade?
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| 07:13 | <muppis> alkisg, I'm trying xubuntu as fat..
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| 07:16 | <alkisg> How much RAM on the client?
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| 07:16 | <andygraybeal> Hyperbyte, hah.. have no idea man, it was weird.. it must be a special day.. but i don't keep up with stupid holidays
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| 07:17 | i hate holidays.. not to be humbug.. every day is awesome to me
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| 07:27 | <muppis> alkisg, 256, IIRC.
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| 07:27 | Whoa! 1 GB.
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| 07:27 | <alkisg> muppis: too low for a fat client or a standalone installation...
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| 07:27 | ah, 1 gb is better :)
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| 07:27 | So why xubuntu? Try classic gnome first?
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| 07:28 | <muppis> Poor GPU.
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| 07:28 | <alkisg> Don't they both use gtk?
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| 07:28 | What's the difference for gpu?
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| 07:28 | <muppis> Probably none.
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| 07:28 | Intel(R) Celeron(R) CPU 2.00GHz
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| 07:28 | :D
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| 07:29 | <alkisg> I think gnome is much better tested than xubuntu for ltsp... so if you have the hardware for it, why not...
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| 07:32 | <muppis> Well, its building an image now. We will see soon.
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| 07:39 | Wish me luck. I try it now.
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| 07:43 | <andygraybeal> go muppis, go muppis !!
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| 07:52 | <muppis> Yep, link too slow. Kernel panic.
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| 07:52 | <andygraybeal> :(
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| 07:55 | <muppis> Or not actual kernel panic. Responds to ctrl-alt-del, but not anything else.
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| 07:56 | <alkisg> Link speed shouldn't be at all related to kernel panics
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| 07:57 | Which ubuntu version? 10.04?
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| 07:57 | <muppis> Somehow it hangs for 240s which causes khelper to get killed and booting stops.
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| 07:58 | Meerkat
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| 07:58 | <alkisg> You might have hit the nbd-proxy problem
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| 07:58 | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ltsp/+bug/589034
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| 07:58 | Disable nbd-proxy. And also if you want re-enable nbd compression, it makes nbd access 2.5 times faster.
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| 07:59 | <muppis> How I do that?
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| 07:59 | <alkisg> To disable nbd-proxy, see the bug report above
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| 07:59 | To reenable nbd compression, modify /etc/ltsp/ltsp-update-image.conf
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| 08:00 | (nbd-proxy was disabled by default in natty)
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| 08:00 | (so the problem only affects 10.04 and 10.10)
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| 08:03 | <muppis> Just uncomment existing line in ltsp-update-image.conf?
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| 08:03 | <alkisg> Yup
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| 08:04 | Don't worry about the "unstable" remark, that was caused by nbd-proxy
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| 08:06 | <muppis> Oh my.. I'm lazy doing that patch with N900..
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| 08:06 | But maybe I don't have a choice.
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| 08:10 | Oh. I should read whole site first :)
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| 08:33 | Still hangs on same spot.
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| 08:39 | Compression did the trick.
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| 08:39 | <alkisg> muppis: grep initrd /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.cfg/default
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| 08:39 | What does this give you?
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| 08:39 | Nah it's not the compression it's nbd-proxy, but anyways if it works now all ok
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| 08:39 | Compression is just for speed
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| 08:40 | <muppis> Couldn't be proxy as 8 didn't disable it.
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| 08:40 | s/8/I/
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| 08:40 | <alkisg> Well it can't be compression because it's not related to blocking networked file systems :)
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| 08:40 | nbd-proxy only hangs sometimes, maybe it was just random and you'll see the problem again
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| 08:41 | <muppis> Maybe.
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| 08:48 | <muppis> Well, now it works.
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| 08:51 | <andygraybeal> what'd ya do?
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| 08:52 | <muppis> Builded fat client to get java app work.
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| 08:52 | <andygraybeal> i mean to get passed the failure
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| 08:53 | <muppis> Disabled nbd_proxy
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| 08:53 | <andygraybeal> okay, nice
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| 08:53 | awesomnessess !
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| 08:55 | <muppis> Now java takes ages to start.
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| 08:55 | <andygraybeal> iceages
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| 09:04 | <muppis> I.. just.. can't.. believe..
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| 09:08 | Nice. No space left on device.
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| 09:09 | <andygraybeal> awesomeness
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| 09:16 | <muppis> Shame. This client got some Intel desktop board and onboard gpu. Youtube is just a slideshow.
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| 09:22 | <alkisg> With 2 GHz cpu and 1 Gb RAM? That doesn't sound right... What graphics card?
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| 09:22 | lspci -nn -k | grep -A 2 VGA
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| 09:22 | Or you mean fullscreen?
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| 09:23 | <muppis> In default window. 845G
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| 09:24 | <alkisg> Can you paste the exact output?
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| 09:25 | Those intel 8xx's are a curse...
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| 09:25 | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Bugs/Mavericki8xxStatus
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| 09:25 | <muppis> Intel Corporation 82845G/GL[Brookdale-G]/GE Chipset Integrated Graphics Device [8086:2562] (rev 01)
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| 09:25 | <alkisg> driver in use?
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| 09:26 | The whole output...
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| 09:26 | <muppis> i915 is in use.
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| 09:27 | <alkisg> OK. How much cpu usage when you watch youtube? (use e.g. top)
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| 09:28 | <muppis> 100% :)
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| 09:29 | <alkisg> OK then that's the problem. /me needs to go, bbl.
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| 09:30 | <muppis> @360p, 75%@240p
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| 10:07 | <nubae> anyone seen pinguyOS... its pretty neat if u dont have 2 monitors :-)
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| 10:08 | <andygraybeal> what what? /me googles
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| 10:10 | i love easier to use linuxes!
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| 10:10 | <nubae> well google my review if u want: http://bit.ly/lyOSID
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| 10:11 | its simply awsome i think though i worry about upgrades and the amount of new features they've added
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| 10:11 | doesnt even look like linux anymore
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| 10:11 | <andygraybeal> oh man, i love your blog, i'm gonna point my rss reader to it
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| 10:12 | i've read your ltsp stuff many times :)
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| 10:12 | <nubae> well i've got 10s of articles coming
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| 10:12 | been writing a lot lately
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| 10:12 | <andygraybeal> i'm looking for the rss icon :)
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| 10:13 | <nubae> should be at the botom, but someone told me it didnt work, though i could find fault with it
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| 10:13 | <andygraybeal> is it the 'atom entries' ?
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| 10:13 | 'invalid feed request'
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| 10:14 | aah got it!
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| 10:14 | had to manually edit the url!
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| 10:14 | awesome
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| 10:15 | <nubae> hmm... yeah, i got invalid request too, must be upgrade habari issues
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| 10:15 | <andygraybeal> grrr.. thunderbird doesn't like it
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| 10:15 | <nubae> ill fix now... check the screenshots of pinguyos i put upo, u can click on the images
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| 10:15 | <andygraybeal> oh well, i happen upon your site in my travels all the time! thank you for it!
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| 10:15 | yes, i look forwa4rd to the article!
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| 10:17 | <nubae> i'll set it to publish the other articles every 5 or 7 days cause otherwise it'll be overload
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| 10:23 | <andygraybeal> :)
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| 10:24 | ping me if you get the feed to work, i'll put it in my client. if not no biggy, i stumble across your website every month or so anyway in my google travels.
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| 10:25 | <nubae> im working on it now
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| 10:25 | upgrading to newer habari version
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| 10:25 | <andygraybeal> what is habari? blogging software?
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| 10:25 | <nubae> yeah
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| 10:25 | wordpresss, but freer
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| 10:25 | <andygraybeal> cool, aah nice!
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| 10:25 | <nubae> freeer
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| 10:26 | <andygraybeal> *understand
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| 10:26 | <nubae> i like it cause i can hack it relatively easy, though still has an api like everything
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| 10:28 | this distro likes to eat ram though... I'm seeing 1.5 gb being used
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| 10:54 | <muppis> Heh.. About Java IO errors.. Compiler was missing. :)
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| 10:55 | <andygraybeal> congrats for figuring it out!!
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| 10:55 | ^5's muppis!!
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| 10:55 | <muppis> Whole hazzle with build fat about for nothing. >)
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| 10:56 | <andygraybeal> it's never for nothing :)
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| 10:56 | sometime it just feels that way :)
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| 10:56 | <muppis> Well, I could get it working with thin.
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| 10:56 | <andygraybeal> i understand what your saying :) im trying to be holistic :)
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| 10:57 | <muppis> Heh. Ok, I'm just feeling little frustrated. ;)
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| 10:58 | <andygraybeal> *nods :) i'm at that place very very often.
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| 10:58 | <muppis> Every day when it's about pc's.
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| 10:58 | <andygraybeal> i've been documenting all day .. so i'm in a different place now.. i'm like. la la la... overview... big picture la la la..land
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| 11:00 | <muppis> I like making documentation, if everything is clear. If had to study at same time, it comes frustrating very quickly..
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| 11:09 | <nubae> documentaztion can be the only saviour you've got sometimes
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| 11:10 | <andygraybeal> it's not exciting, it's user documentation.. for an app (Group-Office) to explain the to people who don't use computers very much.
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| 11:10 | <nubae> i guesss they should be saying documentation is king instead of content :p
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| 11:12 | cool someone favorited my artjcle
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| 11:12 | <andygraybeal> nice :)
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| 11:13 | <nubae> hell thats all i do it for really :p the warm fuzzy feeling after the compli,ens are given
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| 11:13 | <andygraybeal> :)
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