IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.libera.chat (webchat)
Channel log from 1 March 2013 (all times are UTC)
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| 01:06 | <ltspuser_40> hi
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| 01:06 | i have a onld dell 4100 with a very old version of linux
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| 01:06 | i could use some help
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| 01:11 | <vagrantc> ltspuser_40: describe your actual problem and someone might be...
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| 01:11 | able to respond...
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| 01:16 | <ogra_> heh
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| 01:17 | at least he stayed 5 mins
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| 02:31 | <jammcq> hello friends
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| 02:51 | <ltspuser_95> greetings everybody
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| 02:51 | <ball> hello ltspuser_95
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| 02:52 | <ltspuser_95> I am a complte newbie
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| 02:52 | when it comes to linux, and even more with the LTSP
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| 02:52 | So I am sorry for the stupid question I am about to ask
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| 02:53 | but I really have not been able to find a straight answer anywahere
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| 02:53 | so here it goes...
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| 02:53 | once you have installed the LTSP server, and have setup your client evriroment onyour server
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| 02:54 | how to do I set up the thin clients... Do i just load any linux distro
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| 02:54 | in the client
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| 02:54 | ????
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| 02:54 | <jammcq> no, the clients boot their operating system over the network
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| 02:55 | you need to enable the PXE bootrom in the bios
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| 02:55 | <ltspuser_95> ok.... So what do I do...
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| 02:55 | <jammcq> tell me about your client, what is it?
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| 02:55 | <ltspuser_95> I have not one yet... I am doing all this just to build some lunix server skills
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| 02:56 | I was thinking to use a netbook
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| 02:56 | I have laying around the house
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| 02:56 | <jammcq> well... you need to see if the netbook has PXE in the bios
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| 02:56 | <ltspuser_95> ok... so that's it... just go to the bios look into the boot options
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| 02:57 | for PXE set it up as my first boot up option
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| 02:57 | and voila?
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| 02:57 | <ball> Violin :-)
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| 02:57 | <jammcq> yes, if you are lucky
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| 02:57 | <ltspuser_95> LOL!
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| 02:57 | Cool
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| 02:58 | * ball thinks about cellos. | |
| 02:58 | <ltspuser_95> Thanks a lot!... Sorry for the retard question!! ;) Thanks
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| 02:58 | What do you mean If I am lucky?
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| 02:58 | <jammcq> no prob
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| 02:59 | well... it's not so much luck.
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| 02:59 | which distro did you install on your server?
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| 02:59 | <ball> ltspuser_95: Let us know how you get on.
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| 02:59 | <ltspuser_95> I installed ubuntu server 12.04.2
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| 02:59 | <jammcq> ah, good
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| 03:00 | you'll probably be just fine
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| 03:00 | <ltspuser_95> then I went to DOCs here and followed the command intructions
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| 03:00 | then i was a like ok... what Now? Here I am
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| 03:01 | <ball> Out of interest, does your server have two network interfaces?
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| 03:01 | <ltspuser_95> No
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| 03:01 | it has one 1g NIC
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| 03:01 | do i need to buy another one?
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| 03:01 | <ball> Does your network have a DHCP server on it that isn't the Linux host?
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| 03:01 | <ltspuser_95> yes
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| 03:02 | the router itself is the DHCP server
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| 03:02 | <ball> jammcq: Is that likely to cause him or her issues?
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| 03:03 | <ltspuser_95> hey there...
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| 03:04 | I just booted up my laptop in to the BIOS
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| 03:04 | I am under boot options... and it shows the GB Ethernet Controller
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| 03:04 | so in theory all I should do is to set that up as my first boot options
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| 03:05 | <jammcq> well yeah, you'll need to configure extra things in the dhcp server and you may not be able to with that router
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| 03:05 | <ltspuser_95> and it should wor
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| 03:05 | ok...
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| 03:05 | so I need to buy a new NIC
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| 03:05 | <ball> ltspuser_95: You may want to consider adding another network interface to your Linux host.
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| 03:05 | <jammcq> ltspuser_95: in your router, you'll need to configure 'next-server' and 'root-path' and possible a few other things
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| 03:06 | <ltspuser_95> I see... I don't know what are those but I am sure I will find out
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| 03:06 | cool thanks for the info
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| 03:59 | <alkisg> Hi vagrantc, hi all
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| 04:00 | <vagrantc> alkisg: so, i committed two patches to the ltsp-debian-packaging branch that i think should hit wheezy.
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| 04:00 | alkisg: including the one you just submitted
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| 04:00 | <alkisg> I just saw the mail notification, cool!
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| 04:00 | <vagrantc> alkisg: but i won't have time to really test till march 5th at the earliest
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| 04:01 | * alkisg hopes vagrantc won't tell him to test, as he doesn't have a debian ltsp installation handy... | |
| 04:01 | <vagrantc> heh
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| 04:01 | <alkisg> I think jammcq has one though
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| 04:02 | Hey, it's Spring! Good month to all too....
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| 04:02 | <jammcq> hey
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| 04:03 | <vagrantc> getting it tested sooner than later would definitely be good! :)
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| 04:03 | <jammcq> indeed, I have a wheezy ltsp server
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| 04:03 | <vagrantc> alkisg: i'm still behind the times in last monthh
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| 04:04 | jammcq: do you think you could test: http://bugs.debian.org/701916 ?
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| 04:05 | jammcq: reproduce the problem with what's currently in wheezy, and then patch the file and test again?
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| 04:05 | * vagrantc really wants to move forward on this, but is busy this weekend | |
| 04:06 | <jammcq> best i can do is try it sometime tomorrow.
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| 04:06 | my ltsp server is a bit of a mess. I've got it configured in kiosk mode with no user login
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| 04:07 | it just goes directly into Icewm
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| 04:07 | <vagrantc> if i get some "patch works for me" comments, at least, that'll help me when i can get back to it tuesday
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| 04:07 | <jammcq> well... tomorrow afternoon should be good
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| 04:07 | <vagrantc> proably want to try on a more conventional chroot
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| 04:07 | <jammcq> I can build a new one
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| 04:08 | I'll start that building now
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| 04:08 | <vagrantc> alkisg: do you have specific apps that tend to stay running?
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| 04:09 | <jammcq> is there an arg to ltsp-build-client for fat clients?
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| 04:09 | <vagrantc> i.e. this bug is pretty much a non-issue with, say, xterm.
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| 04:09 | * vagrantc always makes fatclients by hand | |
| 04:09 | <alkisg> vagrantc: I think the most common local dirs after logout are .pulse and .gconf
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| 04:09 | <vagrantc> but there may be an arg...
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| 04:10 | <jammcq> hmm
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| 04:10 | --extra-help says to use '--fat-client-desktop'
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| 04:10 | <vagrantc> yup, --fat-client-desktop gnome
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| 04:10 | <jammcq> but... that doesn't work
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| 04:11 | oh
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| 04:11 | <vagrantc> or --fat-client-desktop icewm
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| 04:11 | <jammcq> thats' the ticket
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| 04:11 | it's running
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| 04:11 | I can test it tomorrow
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| 04:11 | <vagrantc> cool.
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| 04:12 | i never thought to test if, by some magic, wheezy just wasn't even affected :)
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| 04:12 | <jammcq> I'll test it out before the patch, see if I can make nasty things happen
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| 04:12 | and then patch it
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| 04:13 | <vagrantc> great! :)
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| 04:13 | should be able to apply the patch in place, i think.
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| 04:28 | <ball> I need to find some thin client boxes soon.
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| 04:29 | Need more disk drives first though and a switch.
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| 04:40 | ...and some pie.
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| 05:13 | <alkisg> highvoltage: could you unsubscribe me from the mailing list of the edubuntu.org contact form? I really cannot help with any of these questions, and I don't even have access to the web page to review the deployments even if I wanted to....
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| 05:23 | <highvoltage> alkisg: ok, I'll ask stgraber since he admins that. so you don't want write access to the website?
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| 05:24 | (only a small amount of it is deployments though)
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| 05:27 | <alkisg> highvoltage: no, thanks, I really don't think I can help with the feedback there
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| 08:45 | <papandreou> Πω, πω κίνηση!!!!
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| 08:45 | Σεμινάριο ή βοήθεια;
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| 08:53 | <elias_a> Μεγάλη για να δείτε περισσότερα από ό, τι ακριβώς την αγγλική γλώσσα κανάλι! Θαυμάζω τη δουλειά σας.
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| 08:54 | Was that comprehendible?
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| 13:09 | <steveeJ> hey, i'm using debian 7 64-bit as ltsp-server and also for the client rootfs. i want to use an xfreerdp session with the rdpdr plugin. i can see "usbdisks on thinclient" in the windows session, but there's nothing in it.
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| 13:11 | when i manually mount the plugged in usbstick on the thinclient to a folder in /media/root (which i have passed as an argument to the plugin), i can also access it on the windows session
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| 13:11 | so the question is: how do i get the thin-client to automacially mount it?
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| 14:07 | <markit> hi ppl :) hi alkisg :) Today I've updated and returned a ltsp server to a primary school... and I've discovered a problem only when I was there (and I've solved). After 15 min the screen locks and (fat client) you can't unlock with the password. Is there a list of settings you usually do in gnome for all these stuff?
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| 14:07 | ops, alkisg is not here anymore
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| 14:07 | anyone else? :)
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| 14:12 | <Hyperbyte> What is "all these stuff"?
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| 14:12 | Settings in Gnome for disabling screen locking, you mean?
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| 14:12 | But didn't you just say you already solved this? :)
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| 14:13 | <markit> Hyperbyte: kde has global config features, even if you have to do by hand
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| 14:13 | so I configured double click instead of single, num lock, etc.
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| 14:13 | but wondered if there are other that would be a good idea set
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| 14:39 | <sbalneav> Morning all
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| 14:45 | <Hyperbyte> markit, ah, you mean if there's global configuration available for Gnome
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| 14:45 | <Hyperbyte> Check out gconf, and, since Gnome 3, dconf
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| 14:45 | <markit> Hyperbyte: yes, so I can "steal" some further good ideas
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| 14:45 | Hyperbyte: ok, but for LTSP, what are standard settings that is good do?
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| 14:45 | <Hyperbyte> With gconf/dconf you can set three types of settings really: per-used settings, default settings, mandatory settings
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| 14:45 | <markit> I've created ruby scripts to install and configure with kde, would love to "extend" them for gnome as well
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| 14:50 | <Hyperbyte> With gconf/dconf you don't need scripts. You just set the mandatory configuration in the files/database and you're done.
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| 14:50 | For example, over here I have a custom widget for the company, I've configured that as mandatory for -all- users
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| 14:51 | Same with other things, like desktop background and things...
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| 15:13 | <markit> Hyperbyte: you misunderstood me
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| 15:13 | with kde you don't need scripts either
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| 15:13 | but instead of do a setup manually (and do a lot of mistakes), I've automated the settings with a ruby script
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| 15:13 | that does the job for me
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| 15:14 | so wondering if you can call gconf from command line and give it the settings you want as a parameter
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| 15:17 | <Hyperbyte> You only do this once per server though, you understand that right?
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| 15:18 | Anyway, gconftool-2 or dconf commands.
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| 15:23 | <markit> yes, once per server
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| 17:51 | <mikec> Can anyone point me to a good tool or way to manage users .bashrc or .cshrc files/environment and also customize their desktops? I'm running LTSP cluster, and I would like for their home directories to be within our existing AFS file system, not on the specific application server they're on. I feel like someone has to have done this before. Obviously I need a way to modify /etc/passwd or something to get the home directories to be on the network. Sin
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| 17:51 | I'm using AFS, its all kerberos/ticket based stuff and pam sessions. Maybe its not doable unless I use ldap? thanks for any advice
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| 17:52 | <vagrantc> mikec: you can't just mount /home as AFS?
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| 17:52 | mikec: or you want individuals homedirs mounted on login?
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| 17:53 | <mikec> individuals. for example, in AFS, my home directory is located in /u/m/i/mikec, so the path is different for each user
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| 17:53 | <vagrantc> you might be able to use libpam-mount
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| 17:54 | <mikec> maybe there's a way I can modify /etc/passwd on each application server to read in the /etc/passwd information from an AFS server, that would have the correct paths
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| 17:54 | libpam-mount sounds intriguing
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| 17:55 | <vagrantc> but probably the simplest way to not need to edit /etc/passwd and /etc/group and whatnot is usind LDAP or a SQL backend to pam/nss
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| 17:56 | <mikec> currently users log in with their AFS username/password and the pam session module will successfully check against the krb realm, get them a ticket granting ticket, as well as an AFS token. works beautifully, but it puts the user in /home on the server they're running their session off of.
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| 17:56 | because it creates a mirrored local user
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| 17:56 | for the home directory
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| 17:56 | thats the one thing i would like to change
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| 17:57 | since i already have everything set up in their AFS user directories appropriately, it would solve a lot of other issues
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| 17:58 | <vagrantc> libpam-mount probably sounds like the ticket, then.
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| 17:58 | <mikec> alright - cool. i will look into that and see
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| 17:58 | thanks for the tip
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| 17:59 | * vagrantc should really explore AFS and kerberos | |
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