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Channel log from 28 December 2009 (all times are UTC)
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| 05:02 | <elias_a> Good after christmas life, folks!
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| 06:39 | <elias_a> ls
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| 06:39 | oops...
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| 08:22 | <Nerrey> Русские есть тут ?
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| 08:26 | <Appiah> hmm
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| 08:26 | <Appiah> in english?
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| 08:26 | <alkisg> google translate says: "Russian is here"
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| 08:26 | <_UsUrPeR_> :D
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| 08:27 | that makes it tough
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| 08:27 | <alkisg> Nerrey: Большинство людей здесь говорят только на английском языке
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| 08:28 | <alkisg> (I hope google translate works well... :P)
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| 08:29 | <Appiah> :D
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| 08:38 | <_UsUrPeR_> heh
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| 09:48 | <sbalneav> Morning all
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| 09:49 | <alkisg> Hi sbalneav
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| 09:49 | <highvoltage> hi sbalneav and alkisg
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| 09:50 | <alkisg> Hi highvoltage, good to see you in #ltsp :P :D
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| 09:50 | <highvoltage> :)
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| 12:17 | <cliebow> anyone elaborate on cdrtools...xcdroast..in karmic?
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| 12:17 | <johnny> ?
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| 12:17 | what kinda question is that?
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| 12:17 | xcdroast should be dead by now right?
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| 12:19 | <cliebow> it is surely dead here
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| 12:21 | i didnt get the newsflash
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| 12:23 | <johnny> it's way outmoded
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| 12:23 | not sure what you mean about cdrtools?
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| 12:23 | cdrtools was replaced by cdrkit awhile ago as well
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| 12:23 | altho some distros might have gone back to cdrtools. hard to say
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| 12:24 | had to do with the original author being weird.. and the potential relicensing to CDDL
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| 12:24 | cliebow, this stuff happened in the last 3 years..
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| 12:24 | so. it's been awhile
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| 12:24 | <cliebow> yeah i been reading abvout the forks and knives
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| 12:25 | <johnny> cliebow, so yeah.. use brasero on gnome or k3b on kde..
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| 12:25 | pretend to forget you ever knew about xcdroast
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| 12:25 | <cliebow> yep.. i just made a coaster..gonna try again..
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| 12:26 | it worked awesome for me.. i burned the cd for karmic on it..
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| 12:26 | so no wonder it is scrapped..
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| 12:27 | <johnny> from what distro?
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| 12:27 | i'm suprised distros had it even as recently as hardy
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| 12:27 | <cliebow> ohh this is karmic
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| 12:27 | easy enough to install
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| 12:27 | <johnny> ?
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| 12:28 | i thought xcdroast disappeard before hardy is what i mean..
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| 12:28 | brasero has been the default for a long time
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| 12:28 | <cliebow> i just apt-get install xcdroast and there it was
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| 12:28 | <johnny> i use it pretty often myself..
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| 12:28 | altho for burning isos.. i just right click em
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| 12:28 | and choose burn
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| 12:37 | <cliebow> freaking thing locked up..
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| 14:43 | <vagrantc> wahooo!
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| 14:44 | with qemu-user-static installed from debian/sid, and ltsp from debian/squeeze, you can install an armel LTSP chroot from other architectures out of the box.
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| 14:44 | <johnny> and the same for ppc right?
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| 14:44 | <vagrantc> well, almost out of the box. you still have to specify an appropriate kernel.
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| 14:44 | johnny: i haven't found any architectures that work other than armel, though the theory is the same.
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| 14:45 | johnny: it's a limitation in qemu... as soon as other architectures work with qemu, the same technique should work.
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| 14:45 | <johnny> ah..
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| 14:45 | i thought ppc did work with qemu..
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| 14:45 | tha'ts sad
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| 14:46 | but i guess people care more about arm now
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| 14:46 | <vagrantc> i'd most like to see powerpc and mips* support working, but it's a bit over my head to figure out what's wrong.
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| 14:47 | i'd really like to get my hands on an armel thin client and/or netbook to test it for real.
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| 14:47 | <johnny> what does armel mean to debian anyways?
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| 14:47 | <vagrantc> the proof of concept for this i did with a sheevaplug
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| 14:47 | johnny: ?
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| 14:47 | <johnny> does armel just mean arm?
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| 14:47 | or what?
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| 14:47 | don't they have different arm arches?
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| 14:48 | vagrantc, if it means any arm.. i'd recommend that you get yourself a beagleboard or the like
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| 14:48 | <vagrantc> it's little-endian, which i guess all newer arm and most older arm hardware supports
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| 14:48 | <johnny> or get ogra to swipe something from canonical :)
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| 14:48 | <vagrantc> but i'd guess ogra_ would know better than i
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| 15:58 | <moldy> hi
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| 15:59 | from the ltsp server, i want to run a program on the x display of a logged in user. is this possible?
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| 16:01 | when i try to run e.g. zenity with the --display option, i get a "cannot open display" error
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| 16:01 | <sbalneav> Are you using LDM_DIRECTX?
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| 16:02 | <moldy> sbalneav: no
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| 16:02 | is ssh standing in my way here?
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| 16:02 | <sbalneav> Then no, I don't think you'll be able to.
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| 16:02 | <moldy> but with ldm_directx, it will work?
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| 16:02 | <sbalneav> You'll want to use the notification system.
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| 16:03 | moldy: Well, if you modify the terminal's access rights with xhost, it will
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| 16:03 | <moldy> which one? how does the notification system do its job?
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| 16:03 | <sbalneav> This has been answered several times on the ltsp-discussed lists.
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| 16:03 | have a look in the ltsp-discuss archives.
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| 16:04 | <moldy> ok, i will, thank you. any hints on what terms i should search for?
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| 16:04 | <alkisg> moldy: wouldn't localapps do the job here?
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| 16:04 | <moldy> i need a "generic" solution
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| 16:05 | <alkisg> Is that for tcm-ng?
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| 16:05 | <moldy> yep
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| 16:05 | <alkisg> Is that only for logged on users?
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| 16:05 | <moldy> i am just beginning to look at this problem. yes, only for logged on users
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| 16:05 | i thought "zenity --display" would do the job
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| 16:06 | <alkisg> Weren't we talking some months ago about the /proc/environ grepping for display etc?
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| 16:06 | <moldy> yes, i think so
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| 16:06 | <alkisg> Other than that (which works fine), a listener would probably be the best choice..
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| 16:07 | <moldy> i havn't worked on tcm for a long time, until yesterday... now i did some major overhauling and am just looking at that stuff again
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| 16:07 | <alkisg> I've changed that code to look for dbus, so that it supposedly works in other DEs as well
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| 16:07 | <sbalneav> GOOGLE IS SO HARD!!!
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| 16:07 | http://www.mail-archive.com/ltsp-discuss@lists.sourceforge.net/msg36833.html
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| 16:07 | bingo
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| 16:07 | <moldy> sbalneav: i was fighting with the sourceforge list archives interface :)
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| 16:08 | <alkisg> pid=$(pgrep -u $user dbus-daemon)
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| 16:08 | display=$(sudo cat /proc/$pid/environ | tr "\000" "\n" | sed -n 's/^DISPLAY=//p')
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| 16:08 | That works better for me...
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| 16:08 | dbus-daemon instead of metacity
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| 16:08 | And the user list: users=$(users | xargs -n 1 echo | uniq | grep -v $(whoami))
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| 16:19 | <moldy> no success yet, i am still missing something it seems
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| 16:20 | <alkisg> moldy: give the commands and their output one by one
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| 16:20 | Did you get $display correctly?
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| 16:21 | <moldy> rebooting the client at the moment to double-check ldm_directx
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| 16:22 | ltsp-update-image inside virtualbox is kinda slow ;)
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| 16:22 | <alkisg> Why do you need to run ltsp-update-image?
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| 16:22 | To change directx?!!!
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| 16:23 | <moldy> i am running it to enable root login via ssh so i can verify that lts.conf is being picked up ;)
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| 16:24 | <alkisg> You can run "ltsp-localapps xterm" for that
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| 16:24 | <vagrantc> or SCREEN_07=shell
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| 16:24 | <alkisg> Or even set SCREEN_02=shell and SCREEN_07=ldm
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| 16:24 | <vagrantc> if it pops up LDM, then it's definitely not reading lts.conf
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| 16:24 | <alkisg> (agh vagrantc got me I typed more stuff :P)
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| 16:25 | <moldy> alkisg: yeah, but i don't have localapps enabled yet, nor xterm installed i think :)
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| 16:25 | but it has lts.conf, just checked
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| 16:25 | <alkisg> localapps are enabled by default
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| 16:25 | xterm is also installed by default
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| 16:25 | (you're on ubuntu, right?)
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| 16:26 | <moldy> yep, 9.10
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| 16:26 | ah, didn't know that
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| 16:27 | i get 2 pids for metacity, maybe that is the problem
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| 16:28 | <alkisg> Try dbus-daemon
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| 16:28 | It works better for me
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| 16:30 | <moldy> gives 2 pids as well, but well, no problem :)
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| 16:30 | <alkisg> You've logged on twice?
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| 16:31 | Ah, you rebooted the client and the processes weren't killed...
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| 16:32 | <moldy> maybe, the utmp-related stuff only shows the user once though
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| 16:35 | alright, it seems to work now... thanks, that should get me going
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| 18:27 | <mgariepy> hi everybody
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| 18:30 | <stgraber> hey mgariepy
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