IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.libera.chat (webchat)
Channel log from 29 November 2012 (all times are UTC)
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| 11:26 | <zamba> alkisg: you here?
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| 11:26 | alkisg: i was able to get xterm running over x2go
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| 11:26 | but not a full session
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| 11:29 | <alkisg> zamba: and from there can you launch gnome-session-fallback?
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| 11:29 | * alkisg has to go though really soon... | |
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| 11:29 | <zamba> nope, i can't
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| 11:29 | it fails then
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| 11:29 | <alkisg> What command line, and what error?
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| 11:30 | <zamba> trying gnome-session-fallback
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| 11:30 | now something else happened
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| 11:30 | but i'm getting lots and lots of new windows, all named untitled
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| 11:31 | <alkisg> Do they show up in `ps aux` ?
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| 11:32 | What process spawns them?
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| 11:33 | <zamba> it broke my graphics here at my end
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| 11:34 | got lots of artifacts here now
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| 11:34 | loosing focus all the time
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| 11:34 | this is insane
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| 11:34 | why does this ALWAYS happen to me?
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| 11:34 | <alkisg> There's an x2go mailing list, you can try to troubleshoot the problem with their help there
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| 11:35 | <zamba> there.. had to kill x2go
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| 11:35 | <alkisg> Usually x2go runs fine here, in 10+ setups...
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| 11:35 | <zamba> well.. as i said :)
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| 11:35 | usually doesn't apply to me
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| 11:55 | <Hyperbyte> zamba, again with the negative thinking!
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| 11:55 | You know if you go into things convinced that they're going to go wrong, you're dooming yourself, right?
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| 11:59 | <zamba> Hyperbyte: i know :)
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| 11:59 | <Hyperbyte> ;-)
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| 11:59 | Meanwhile, have you added your LTSP success story to the LTSP worldmap?
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| 11:59 | <zamba> hehehe
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| 11:59 | i have no ltsp success story to tell
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| 12:00 | <Hyperbyte> !worldmap
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| 12:00 | <ltsp> worldmap: If you're using LTSP, please let the world know and share your story at http://www.ltsp.org/stories/ Your can add a nice pin to our world map at your location, plus your setup will count towards the global LTSP usage statistics.
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| 12:00 | <Hyperbyte> You're running LTSP, aren't you? :P
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| 12:00 | <zamba> well.. it's not working..? :)
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| 12:00 | <Hyperbyte> When it is, be sure to add it. :P
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| 12:00 | What problems are you facing now?
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| 12:01 | <zamba> i don't know, since i'm not locally.. and that's why i need x2go to be able to see what's actually going on at the site
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| 12:02 | <Hyperbyte> Are clients not booting at all, or is there some other problem?
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| 12:02 | <zamba> they are booting, so there is some other problem
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| 12:02 | some application not working and similar
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| 12:02 | probably a user error
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| 12:02 | because i've upgraded the ubuntu version on the TC server
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| 12:03 | <Hyperbyte> Wow... you did this remotely?
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| 12:03 | Without being there?
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| 12:03 | <zamba> i had to
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| 12:03 | because nothing worked
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| 12:03 | <Hyperbyte> :o
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| 12:03 | <zamba> udhcpc was the problem
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| 12:03 | sent the emtpy vendor id thingy
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| 12:03 | empty*
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| 12:04 | <Hyperbyte> What do you mean 'upgraded the Ubuntu version'? You went from 11.04 to 12.04 or something?
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| 12:04 | <zamba> yeah
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| 12:04 | i think it was three upgrades
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| 12:04 | <Hyperbyte> You know, I like living on the edge as much as the next guy, probably even more...
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| 12:04 | <zamba> i believe i went from 10.10 to 12.04
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| 12:04 | as i said.. i had no choice
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| 12:04 | <Hyperbyte> But doing these kinds of upgrades without being at the machine... that's wow.
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| 12:04 | <zamba> well.. it's a virtual machine
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| 12:05 | <Hyperbyte> Oh
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| 12:05 | So
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| 12:05 | <zamba> running in xen, so i had the console all the time
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| 12:05 | <Hyperbyte> Here's an idea
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| 12:05 | <Hyperbyte> Create a virtual machine that PXE boots, have a look around
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| 12:05 | <zamba> yeah..
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| 12:06 | <Hyperbyte> Good idea? :)
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| 12:23 | <Hyperbyte> Hrm
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| 12:29 | <zamba> yeah, the idea is good :)
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| 12:42 | <Hyperbyte> Hope you're making progress then? :)
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| 12:42 | If not I'm sure we can come up with more ideas. :)
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| 13:06 | <JustSomeGuy> hi im using ltsp with ubuntu and try to do a simple failover system with uacrp the problem is that squashfs closes the socket when the secondary server takes over. is there a way to "reconnect" the squashfs to the new server without rebooting?
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| 13:13 | <mgariepy> JustSomeGuy, you will need to use nbd-proxy
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| 13:17 | JustSomeGuy, you will also need to make sure your image is the same
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| 13:18 | JustSomeGuy, just add "NBDCLIENT=nbd-client-proxy" on the append line of your pxelinux.cfg/default
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| 13:19 | that's for 12.04
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| 13:19 | <JustSomeGuy> mgariepy, ok thx will look into that
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| 13:35 | <JustSomeGuy> mgariepy, works like a charm thanks :D
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| 14:36 | <mgariepy> JustSomeGuy, great ;)
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| 16:38 | <zamba> how do i set the default session for all users?
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| 16:41 | <alkisg> !gnome-fallback
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| 16:41 | <ltsp> gnome-fallback: Unity, compiz etc are sometimes slow or buggy. To select gnome-fallback as your default session, install the gnome-session-fallback package, and put this in your lts.conf: LDM_SESSION="gnome-session --session=gnome-fallback"
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| 16:50 | <zamba> alkisg: thanks :)
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| 17:04 | <mgariepy> !nbd-proxy
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| 17:04 | <ltsp> nbd-proxy: Ubuntu 10.04 and 10.10 use a wrapper called nbd-proxy, which is causing networking problems for some people. See https://bugs.launchpad.net/ltsp/+bug/589034. It's been disabled by default in 11.04, see http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ltsp-upstream/ltsp/ltsp-trunk/revision/1803
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| 17:04 | <mgariepy> i don't like that :P haha
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| 17:49 | <kev_j> for personalizing the xorg.conf files to each computer; do I need to make the config file on the computer first (i.e. I read someone's post about he used a live cd to get the xorg file and then copied it to the ltsp server), or is it sufficient to make it from within the LTSP enviro?
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| 17:53 | <||cw> kev_j: I have one thing I do that for, found a configure-x.sh script that generates the conf using "Xorg -configure -novtswitch :1 > filename" and then it customizes it from there using a lot of sed
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| 17:55 | filename holds error output, btw
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| 18:09 | <alkisg> Why not just use X_* lts.conf directives instead?
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| 18:11 | <||cw> in my case, its a touch screen driver with an awkward service that expects an xorg.conf
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| 18:11 | * ||cw slaps 3M around a bit | |
| 18:14 | <kev_j> holy crap...
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| 18:15 | <||cw> for screen res and stuff I use the X_* stuff
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| 18:15 | needed a conf is rare
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| 18:21 | <kev_j> is there a good example of all the X_* options/variables or just what's in the man page? (I don't really know anything about xorg past it managing video drivers... or whatever)
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| 18:21 | and by example I mean guide/readme or man page... that type of thing
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| 18:26 | <||cw> what do you need to do that doesn't seem covered by the man page?
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| 18:26 | <knipwim> man xorg.conf ?
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| 18:26 | <||cw> no, the lts.conf X_* params
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| 18:28 | <kev_j> oh, I missed the line about you probably won't need these except in special circumstances... the stuff about X_OPTION_*
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| 18:29 | so I guess it was just any options that I could use with it, but if I won't need it then it's a moot point
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| 18:29 | or I guess probably won't need it is a better way to say it
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| 18:30 | <||cw> what are you wanting to customize?
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| 18:30 | <||cw> autodetect is pretty good, though I've had to set too high a resolution for some CRT's. they work, but really hard to read. the X options allow forcing a lower res
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| 18:31 | that's where I use them most
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| 18:31 | <kev_j> I just have minor issues on certain computers (using desktops as thin clients to work out any bugs)
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| 18:32 | <||cw> this is the only time I've needed to actually use an org conf https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/3MMicroTouchDriver
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| 18:32 | me too, desktops all around
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| 18:32 | <kev_j> the ldm login box, which is usually in the middle, jumps to one monitor or the other somewhat randomly
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| 18:33 | <||cw> oh dual screens
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| 18:33 | it'll jump to whatever screen it thinks should have focus
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| 18:33 | <kev_j> on a system with a 5770 ati card running three screens wil turn the left screen purple on occasion...
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| 18:33 | just quarky things
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| 18:35 | well I understand that it would jump to whatever screen should have focus, but it usually doesn't jump until I log in and log back out.. stuff like that
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| 18:36 | <zamba> how do i disable the screen saver lock for all users?
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| 18:36 | the problem is that the screen is locked after some minutes of inactivity
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| 18:36 | and when using autologin this is a problem
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| 18:39 | <kev_j> how would you go about setting defaults for all users in general?
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| 18:40 | <knipwim> alkisg, vagrantc i think it's meeting time, but only jamcq and Hyperbyte are present
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| 18:41 | <kev_j> vagrantc: quick question... are there any changes to how local_apps_menu_items works for the wheezy build?
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| 18:42 | <vagrantc> kev_j: off the top of my head, i'm not sure
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| 18:43 | <kev_j> ok.. well I will keep playing with it and try to get it to work on my system. thanks anywho
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| 18:45 | <vagrantc> kev_j: be interested to hear what you get ...
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| 18:46 | <kev_j> ...if I get anything that is
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| 19:18 | <zamba> kev_j: how?
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| 19:18 | kev_j: i tried using gsettings, but that didn't stick
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| 19:19 | <kev_j> oh, I have no idea, I was adding on to your question.. I would like to know how to set defaults too
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| 19:19 | ^zamba
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| 19:20 | <zamba> i'm looking at gconf-editor now
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| 19:20 | http://library.gnome.org/users/gconf-editor/stable/defaults-mandatory.html.en
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| 19:20 | that
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| 19:21 | <kev_j> personally I use lxde, but I switched over from gnome because I had too many issues... I was thinking it had to do with either /etc/skel/ or /etc/xdg/whatever
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| 19:21 | <zamba> the settings have been set, but they're not applied
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| 19:22 | <kev_j> the settings may be set in gnome, but if they're being overruled by something else than it wouldn't matter (I think)
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| 19:22 | <zamba> there's some files in /etc/gconf/
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| 19:23 | https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/DisableScreenLock
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| 19:23 | and i guess this doesn't apply either
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| 19:24 | remove gnome-screensaver, maybe?
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| 19:25 | <kev_j> I dunno, wouldn't that just get rid of the screensavers themselves and not the lock screen?
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| 19:25 | <zamba> one would think
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| 19:25 | but none of this is straight-forward, s
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| 19:25 | so
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| 19:27 | <kev_j> Personally I am able to disable the screen saver just by going to the menu, prefs, screensaver prefs, and disabling it ...but like I said before, I am on LXDE
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| 19:27 | <alkisg> zamba: $ cat /usr/share/glib-2.0/schemas/10_sch-scripts.gschema.override
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| 19:27 | [org.gnome.desktop.screensaver]
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| 19:27 | lock-enabled = false
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| 19:27 | ...
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| 19:28 | That affects the defaults, it's not a mandatory setting
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| 19:29 | <zamba> why that file now all of a sudden?
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| 19:29 | earlier it was /etc/gconf/
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| 19:29 | # cat /usr/share/glib-2.0/schemas/10_sch-scripts.gschema.override
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| 19:29 | cat: /usr/share/glib-2.0/schemas/10_sch-scripts.gschema.override: No such file or directory
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| 19:29 | <alkisg> gconf was replaced with dconf + gsettings in recent gnome versions
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| 19:30 | <zamba> but i need to set this mandatory.. because the users shouldn't be able to suddenly lock their screens
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| 19:30 | <alkisg> sch-scripts is a package we use here in greece to automate ltsp installations
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| 19:30 | So it was just an example, it's not expected for you to have that file
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| 19:30 | Locking down gnome settings is a bit more difficult, let me get you a link...
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| 19:31 | * vagrantc notes that lxde uses xscreensaver by default, which used to have a file located in /etc/X11/ somewhere | |
| 19:32 | <alkisg> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/edubuntu-users/2012-August/007069.html
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| 19:32 | Ah that's about lxde, not gnome screensavers? /me hasn't read all the chat...
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| 19:32 | <kev_j> I'm using LXDE, zamba is using gnome, and I was looking for defaults in a more general sense
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| 19:33 | like the menu bar and default background and such
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| 19:33 | but I think I may have found it... maybe
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| 19:35 | I still haven't made any headway on the local apps thing yet though
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| 19:35 | running it from the terminal works, but local_apps_menu_items doesn't seem to do anything
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| 19:36 | so I am looking through the xdg directories because I found something saying that it uses that to change the way the menu works or something?
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| 19:36 | <vagrantc> kev_j: you have LOCAL_APPS_MENU=true ?
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| 19:36 | <kev_j> yeppers
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| 19:36 | <vagrantc> and the apps installed in the chroot?
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| 19:36 | <kev_j> to both
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| 19:37 | <vagrantc> can you run the apps manually with ltsp-localapps FOO ?
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| 19:37 | <kev_j> local_apps=true for good measure, local_apps_menu=true, and local_apps_menu_items=firefox
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| 19:37 | yes I can
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| 19:38 | <vagrantc> and there's a firefox.desktop file in /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/share/applications/ ?
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| 19:38 | <kev_j> yes.. except it is amd64
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| 19:38 | <vagrantc> what package ships that file?
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| 19:39 | * vagrantc only has iceweasel.desktop | |
| 19:39 | <kev_j> I double checked that.. it wasn't there before, but I cp'd the one from my server (same build and everything)
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| 19:39 | same install file in fact
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| 19:39 | <vagrantc> so, you manually installed a .desktop file and wonder why it doesn't work?
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| 19:39 | <kev_j> I am confused because it was working, and then I did some tweaking and now it doesnt'
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| 19:40 | <kev_j> to be honest (as if it is that hard to tell) I have no idea how the .desktop files work
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| 19:41 | guess I will read up on that and come back when I understand a little better
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| 19:50 | <kev_j> so I'm reading through this http://developer.gnome.org/integration-guide/stable/desktop-files.html.en and nothing jumps out at me that is wrong with the desktop file I am using
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| 19:50 | path is correct
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| 19:53 | <alkisg> desktop-file-validate <path-to-.desktop>
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| 19:53 | <kev_j> is there anything that stands out to you? http://pastebin.com/VAbbCjnv
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| 19:53 | oh, well there you go
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| 19:56 | <vagrantc> kev_j: this is on a debian system? why not just use iceweasel?
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| 19:58 | <kev_j> no idea, I had already removed it and put time into firefox by the time I realized that it is more or less the same thing
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| 19:58 | so somewhere between stubborn and stupid
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| 19:59 | <vagrantc> using external software often leads to headaches.
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| 20:00 | <kev_j> as I have been understanding better and better
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| 20:00 | <vagrantc> what makes debian packaging work is more that people agree to abide by debian policy, not some technical superiority. when you use external third-parties, you don't generally have that.
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| 20:01 | (i mean, i think debian packaging is pretty technically impressive, but that's besides the point)
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| 20:01 | <kev_j> well it was more because I didn't know that firefox plugins work with iceweasel and greasemonkey at the least is integral right now
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| 20:04 | I also have very whiny end users that don't like change.. if the menu bar moves from the bottom to the top, even if it doesn't change anything else, they pitch a fit
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| 20:06 | and I had not used iceweasel before.. I always just used a windows machine and ssh'd in to make changes
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| 21:30 | <kev_j> I dunno if this is a stupid question or not, but is there somewhere I could donate to ltsp.. or is the contribute page about the extent of it?
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| 21:34 | <knipwim> kev_j: yup that's it
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| 21:35 | we don't have a body, like a foundation, to hold money
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| 21:36 | only a yearly conference which you are able to help sponsor with money
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| 22:29 | <kev_j> when is that?
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| 22:32 | I definitely want to get a budget together to help sponsor it. Mebbe not the next one, but definitely the following one.
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