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05:56 | <jvin248> itknight: Xubuntu worked like Kubuntu (6.10) though I haven't been able to get client sound to work on either. I also installed ltsp on Linux Mint Bianca test machine. I have to sign off, sorry for the post length, but here are the steps: sudo apt-get install ltsp-server-standalone openssh-server; sudo ltsp-build-client; sudo nano /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf (or use vim, change IP address, adjust 'authoritative'); sudo invoke-rc.d
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05:56 | dhcp3-server restart; sudo ltsp-update-sshkeys; then google for 'rom-o-matic" and get a boot floppy if your client machine won't network boot on its own. Hardware I've found works back to AMD/Cyrix/P2-200's vintage, mostly due to Linux Kernel 2.6 default, probably could do older machines if installed kernel 2.4 in ltsp directories but haven't tried (find location in ltsp.conf). Good Luck!
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08:27 | <IRCzito_home> god morning people
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08:27 | :D
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08:28 | good
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08:28 | :D
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08:30 | ogra: the root-tree of the ubuntu_6.10_i386 does not have /etc/inittab, it's start which init 1??
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08:31 | <ogra> it starts the scripts of /etc/rc2.d by default ...
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08:31 | ubuntu uses upstart instead of init ...
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08:31 | upstart uses the files from /etc/event.d instead of inittab
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08:34 | <IRCzito_home> ok, thanks... I want know this to work in slackware root-tree :D
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08:34 | <ogra> well, look at the code from breezy or dapper, they used sysvinit
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08:36 | <IRCzito_home> ow thanks, I have root-tree of debian_etch_i386, do you know if this use sysvinit?
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08:36 | <ogra> likely
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10:11 | <cliebow> laprag!!!!!!!!!
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10:11 | <laprag> hey chuck
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10:11 | <jammcq> wow, look who showed up
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10:11 | <laprag> heh, forced indoors by the rain
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10:11 | <ogra> so
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10:11 | <laprag> 'sup?
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10:12 | <ogra> i got nfs4 running
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10:12 | not really any exciting performance gains :/
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10:12 | <jammcq> laprag: hey, I was down in Brazil last week. Ran into one of your norwegian buddies
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10:12 | ogra: any gain at all?
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10:13 | <laprag> oh? small world
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10:13 | <jammcq> laprag: remember Knut ?
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10:13 | <laprag> Yrvin?
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10:13 | <jammcq> yep
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10:13 | <laprag> ah
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10:13 | he gets around
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10:13 | and you!
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10:13 | <jammcq> yes, he's doing some evangelizing for TrollTech these days
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10:13 | <ogra> jammcq, nope .... bootchart shows even 20sec more boottime of my vm ...
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10:13 | <laprag> oh is he? scott's old job?
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10:13 | <ogra> but you have to load a lot for nfs4 ...
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10:13 | <jammcq> yeah, I think he's got part of that job
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10:14 | laprag: Knut seems like he was put on this earth to just have fun, and so far, seems to be successful at it
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10:14 | <laprag> hehe
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10:14 | you're right
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10:14 | he knows how to do that
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10:14 | <jammcq> i've bumped into him a few times over the years, and I've never seen him without a big ole smile
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10:15 | <ogra> i wonder why he's still not in politics ...
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10:15 | <jammcq> that would prolly spoil the fun
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10:15 | <laprag> heh, an honest politician? not even here
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10:15 | <ogra> he should be on his way to become mayor in his ages
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10:15 | *age
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10:16 | <laprag> i think his dad used to be
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10:16 | <ogra> well, he once told me it would be his biggest dream
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10:16 | <jammcq> really? wow
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10:17 | ogra: hey, we're planning a few events over the next several months, if you'd care to partake in our fun
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10:17 | <laprag> ogra: any great news in feisty for ltsp?
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10:17 | <ogra> send me dates :)
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10:17 | <jammcq> the week of July 23rd, many of us will be in Portland, OR for OSCON,Ubuntu-Live and another hackfest
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10:17 | <ogra> i'm planned for an amount of EU confs
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10:17 | <jammcq> then, somwhere around Oct 27th, we'll be up in Maine for the next BTS
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10:17 | <ogra> for which i dont know the exact dates yet
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10:18 | i'll likely be at ubuntu-live ... not sure yet
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10:18 | <laprag> jammcq: you sure about the venue for BTS now?
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10:18 | <jammcq> ogra: which dates don't you know yet?
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10:18 | laprag: well, the Ubuntu UDS this fall will be in Boston, and the dates have been announced, so we can start making BTS plans
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10:19 | <ogra> two for one tour to stoxckholm and another one to cyprus
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10:19 | <jammcq> ah
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10:19 | <ogra> one must be in june or july ...
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10:19 | i'm not even sure i have tbe there
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10:19 | <jammcq> laprag: also, in about 10 days, we'll be in Seville, Spain for UDS
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10:19 | <ogra> but if, then it has highest prio
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10:20 | <laprag> in Seville, eh? Pick up one of Robert Wilson's books for a dark introdction
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10:20 | <ogra> heh
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10:20 | <jammcq> and, Scotty and I will be having a mini-hackfest in Minneapolis the weekend of June 16th
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10:20 | laprag: hmm, got a particular book in mind?
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10:21 | <laprag> too busy to get any work done?
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10:21 | * ogra is really sad ... | |
10:21 | <laprag> jammcq: Hidden Assassins is the last
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10:21 | <jammcq> laprag: all the while, trying to get lots of work done
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10:21 | * ogra had expected a lot more from nfs4 | |
10:21 | <laprag> I'm only a third into it
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10:22 | <laprag> ogra: are you getting longer boot times?
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10:22 | <ogra> yeah, slightly
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10:22 | <laprag> is that feisty?
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10:22 | <ogra> i had expected a performance increse by switchig to v4
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10:22 | yep
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10:22 | well, half way gutsy already :)
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10:23 | <laprag> hmm
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10:24 | <ogra> it took me 1 1/2 days to get the initramfs in shape ... and its great to have an encrypted filesystem ... but the speed doesnt convince to make it a default ...
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10:26 | <mistik1> jammcq: Hey, ever hear of anyone hacking Xorg to change the default grey screen to an image or some other color
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10:26 | <ogra> mistik1, ubuntu and redhat have patches for that
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10:26 | <jammcq> mistik1: dunno why anyone would want to do that
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10:26 | <mistik1> hehe
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10:27 | <cliebow> hehe
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10:27 | <mistik1> jammcq: To not see the ugly grey screen
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10:27 | ogra: got a link anywhere?
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10:27 | <jammcq> if you are seeing an ugly grey screen, you have a problem
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10:28 | <mistik1> jammcq: Not for ltsp bro
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10:28 | <cliebow> be happy!!
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10:29 | <mistik1> There are some things I do for which I dont use a wm at all and setting a background image takes an extra step I dont need
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10:30 | <ogra> -br create root window with black background
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10:30 | from Xorg -h
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10:30 | i *think* thats even upstream and not a patch anymore
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10:31 | ldm uses it to avoid the grey screen
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10:33 | <jammcq> ah
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10:33 | <ogra> Apr 22 17:33:07 edubuntu kernel: [319532.180000] nfs4_cb: server 127.0.0.1/192.168.100.253 AUTH_UNIX 0 not responding, timed out
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10:33 | aha
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10:34 | so it might be possible to have it faster :)
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10:52 | <jarhed> hello ... I would like a little help with my ltsp setup, if anyone could.
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11:05 | <jammcq> jarhed: if you need help, you really need to ask your question
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11:10 | <cliebow> jrahed: gaining?
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11:14 | <jarhed> k...can't get any client to login. I've installed an ubuntu version with ltsp and the edubuntu version
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11:14 | both download the images and startup to the X, then I lose the signal to the monitor
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11:15 | <jammcq> sounds like X is over-driving the monitor
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11:15 | can you try a different monitor?
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11:15 | <jarhed> yes
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11:15 | i've set XSERVER=vesa,
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11:15 | <jarhed> its a cirrus 1MB onboard
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11:15 | <ogra> that wont work
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11:15 | <jammcq> that's just the driver to use. that doesn't effect the frequency
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11:16 | <ogra> 1M isnt enough
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11:16 | <jarhed> but I also can't with a vmware instance
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11:16 | so there ARE minimum requirements
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11:16 | <ogra> you will need to set X_COLOR_DEPTH=8 or so to make an 1M card work at all
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11:16 | <jarhed> I;ve set that also
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11:17 | <jammcq> the old cirrus logic cards are a real problem
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11:17 | <ogra> sure there are minimum reqs :)
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11:17 | <jarhed> ok...well if that's the case, I'm not crazy :)
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11:17 | <ogra> 48M ram and at least 200Mhz for clients ... 2M garphics card
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11:17 | <jarhed> i've read and read and thought I had set every option I could find
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11:18 | <jarhed> but I've read some old P1 systems would work ... is that a different setup?
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11:18 | <ogra> no
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11:19 | you might even get 486 systems to work with enough ram and patience :)
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11:19 | lots of patience ...
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11:19 | lots and lots of patience ... ;)
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11:19 | <jarhed> patience I have, it's the lack of knowledge that's killing me
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11:20 | <jarhed> is there a significant diff from 4.1 to the ltsp 5 used in ubuntu?
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11:20 | <jammcq> heh
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11:20 | yes, huge difference
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11:20 | <jarhed> is there somewhere that I could find more documentation for 5?
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11:21 | <jammcq> ogra: what's the link to the docs that scotty and others have been working on?
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11:21 | <ogra> on the ltsp wiki
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11:21 | <jammcq> no, the workbook thing
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11:21 | is that up on the wiki now?
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11:21 | <ogra> jammcq, thats the edubuntu handbook, included in edubuntu
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11:21 | <jammcq> ok, maybe that'll help him
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11:21 | <ogra> no idea if thats anywhere online
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11:22 | <jarhed> i'll look for it on the system
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11:22 | <jammcq> seems like it would be a waste to NOT have it online
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11:22 | <ogra> i know there is a svn for te contributors ... but i dont know if its exported to html or so
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11:22 | <jammcq> what format is it?
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11:22 | <ogra> i only get he finished sourcepackage, sign and upload it :)
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11:22 | xml
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11:22 | <jammcq> docbook ?
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11:22 | <ogra> its yelp documentation
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11:23 | i guess so
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11:23 | ask scottie
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11:23 | <jammcq> I would, if he were here. maybe i'll call him. need to talk with him anyway
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11:23 | <ogra> i only know the other side of things where the stuff comes out ;)
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11:23 | he's on te input side
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11:27 | <jarhed> any suggestions for the cirrus card?
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11:29 | <ogra> not really
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11:29 | 1M is just not enough
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11:31 | <jarhed> ok
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11:31 | drats
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11:31 | <jammcq> it's enough for 800x600 16-bit
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11:32 | <jarhed> i'd like to solve the X display,,even if it's really lousy display
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11:32 | <jammcq> ogra: does ltsp-5 support X_MODE_0 = 800x600 ?
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11:32 | <ogra> jarhed, can you boot to console ?
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11:32 | jammcq, you know it doesnt
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11:32 | we discussed it pretty often before
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11:32 | <jarhed> if I kill the X, is see the terminal and yes I can log in
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11:32 | <jammcq> yeah, but my memory ain't what it used to be
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11:33 | <ogra> jarhed, check the modelines in /etc/X11/xorg.conf
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11:33 | do they start with 1024x786 ?
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11:33 | <jarhed> as for setting it to boot to console ... I have to find how to do that with the startup stuff / I knew how with inittab
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11:34 | <ogra> SCREEN_xx=shell gives you a console ... nothing changed there
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11:34 | <jarhed> setting it now...
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11:35 | i've read that you can specify a X file in lts.conf, would that work?
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11:35 | <ogra> yes, thats why we look at the existing one ;)
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11:35 | so do your modelines have 1024 entries ?
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11:35 | <jarhed> yes
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11:35 | higher also
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11:36 | <ogra> remove them ... the higher ones as well
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11:36 | <jarhed> default is 24
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11:36 | <ogra> leave 800x600 and downwards in place
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11:36 | change the depth to 16
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11:36 | <jarhed> and i am assuming your talking about the xorg.conf in the opt/... dir
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11:36 | <ogra> save the file and try to run /etc/init.d/ltsp-client start
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11:37 | i'm talking about the xorg.conf you see on tty1 on te client
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11:37 | i'm not talking about anything on the server
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11:37 | <jarhed> ok
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11:38 | <ogra> if you ge a login screeen with the above, scp the xorg.conf to the server ... save it in /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/xorg.conf-custom and add /etc/xorg.conf-custom to te lts.conf
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11:39 | <jarhed> sorry ...it's coming up slowwwwly
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11:40 | <ogra> so you have X ?
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11:45 | <jarhed> no its at Starting LTSP client...
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11:48 | can't login
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11:48 | i did yesterday
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11:49 | <ogra> set a rootpw: sudo chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 passwd
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11:49 | you can then log in with that
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11:49 | on tty1
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11:50 | <ogra> btw, which ubuntu/edubuntu release is that ?
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11:50 | <jarhed> feisty
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11:51 | just to clarify. .. the root passwd is set IN the client
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11:51 | but the accounts are ON the server?
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11:51 | <ogra> yes
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11:51 | <jarhed> so I should have been able to log in with a student account
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11:52 | <ogra> on the server, yes
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11:52 | the chroot hsa o accounts at all
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11:52 | *has
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11:52 | *has no
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11:54 | <jarhed> ok i see 2 xorg.conf
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11:54 | xorg.conf and xorg.conf.20070422124837
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11:54 | <ogra> xorg.conf is the one you want to edit
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11:55 | <jarhed> that one has identified the cirrus video card
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11:55 | <ogra> right
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11:55 | check the modelines and color depth
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11:58 | <jarhed> color depth was 24 - changed it to 16
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11:59 | mode lines are 1024 and down
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11:59 | <ogra> drop the 1024x786 from there
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11:59 | then run the ltsp-client initscript
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11:59 | <jarhed> on the client?
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12:00 | <ogra> ideed
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12:03 | <jarhed> ok I've edited and saved the file
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12:03 | what should my options for the aspire be in lts.conf
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12:03 | i've used XSERVER / X_MODE / and DEPTH
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12:04 | delete em?
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12:04 | <ogra> doesnt matter with a fixed config
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12:04 | as soon as you set XF86CONFIG_FILE they will be ignored
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12:05 | <jarhed> so XFCONFIG_FILE=/etc/xorg.cong_aspire
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12:05 | ?
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12:05 | <ogra> if oyu saved it like that, yes
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12:05 | <jarhed> gotcha
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12:05 | <ogra> just make sure to scp it to the server
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12:05 | and copy it over ito /opt/ltsp
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12:06 | <jarhed> yes and yes
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12:07 | i don't see that command
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12:07 | <ogra> /etc/init.d/ltsp-client ....
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12:07 | run it with the start option
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12:08 | (thats the piece that writes "Staring LTSP client ..." on your screen
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12:08 | )
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12:08 | <jarhed> off she goes [thanks]
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12:08 | <ogra> got X ?
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12:09 | <jarhed> nope .. but it could be just slow
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12:09 | <ogra> well you should see the X cursore by now
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12:09 | *cursor
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12:09 | even on a slow system
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12:10 | <jarhed> nope
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12:10 | i ran the init script / it came back to the prompt and then lost the signal to the monitor
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12:10 | should I cycle it?
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12:11 | <ogra> hmm, can you ge back to tty1 ? /var/log/Xorg.0.log should have soe ifo
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12:14 | <jarhed> funny i have an Xorg.6 but no 0
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12:14 | <ogra> 6 is fine
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12:17 | <jarhed> tried less and it froze
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12:17 | gonna cycle it
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12:17 | <ogra> how much RAM does that thing have ?
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12:19 | <jarhed> whopping 32
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12:19 | i know i know ...
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12:21 | the other problem I had was not being able to get passed the login prompt on the vmware instance
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12:21 | <cliebow> jarhed:it is just ttoo challenged at 32 meg to run ltsp5
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12:22 | <jarhed> ok ..
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12:22 | that's what I have been realizing thanks to you guys
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12:24 | i thought it could work
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12:24 | <cliebow> even ltsp4.2 will kill x at 32 meg agfter a while..
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12:25 | <jarhed> but why would it not allow a login past the login greeter [could user/passwd]
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12:25 | err. good user/passwd
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12:25 | <cliebow> 33 meg would work though 8`)
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12:26 | im not sure..
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12:26 | <jarhed> well this one has 512 w a 64MB NVidia card
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12:26 | i get the login screen ...enter info ... login screen again
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12:26 | <cliebow> and youve updated ssh keys..
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12:27 | <jarhed> how does that work?
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12:27 | <cliebow> there is a acommand like ltsp-update-sshkeys
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12:27 | <jarhed> yes ... when do u use it?
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12:28 | <cliebow> when you get a login prob..
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12:28 | <jarhed> :)
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12:28 | <cliebow> 8~)
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12:28 | i wont say it will solve all your ills..
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12:28 | but sosmetimes you luvk oput
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12:29 | good grief!!
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12:30 | <jarhed> oh...you're good .....
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12:35 | <cliebow> any luck?? ...i just mimic what everyone else says 8~)
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12:35 | <jarhed> oh yeah that solved the newer machine ...
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12:35 | <cliebow> i was a alittle syrprised..i thought the nvg card would balk
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12:36 | <jarhed> but looking at the aspire it looks like its still using the olc xorg.conf
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12:36 | well it's the first time I booted that box
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12:36 | i have a slew of other's
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12:36 | where can i find a complete list of supported options for lts.conf for 5?
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12:37 | <cliebow> jarhed:if you are s tuck with the older machines you might try 4.2/...
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12:37 | jarhed didnt we find it in /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/share/doc/
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12:37 | <jarhed> can you run them in parallel
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12:37 | <cliebow> yes.
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12:37 | but
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12:38 | you'll have to turn on xdmcp..
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12:38 | * cliebow cliebow waits to get ecorrected.. | |
12:39 | <jarhed> found it .. correct again...
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12:40 | but to build it in the edubuntu server?
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12:40 | <cliebow> i did tar up 4.2 for you..you wont have to build anything
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12:40 | <jarhed> yes .. got it
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12:40 | untar in /opt/ltsp
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12:40 | bu the boot image?
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12:41 | <cliebow> yes.. it should make ltsp-4.2
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12:41 | <cliebow> put the jkernel in /var/lib/tftpbot after unzipping and point to it with dhcpd.conf
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12:41 | <jarhed> i didn't get that
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12:42 | is it in the tar?
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12:42 | <cliebow> no ill get a link
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12:42 | <jarhed> thanks
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12:42 | <cliebow> http://169.244.3.137/vmlinuz-2.6.16.1-ltsp-2.gz
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12:43 | unzip and put it in /var/lib/tftpboot
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12:44 | so dhcpd.conf for those clients has new entries for root-path and filename
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12:44 | <jarhed> thanks totally appreciate all the help
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12:44 | <cliebow> no prob..
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12:45 | lots of people have done the samme for me..just returning the favor
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12:46 | <jarhed> are u volunteer?
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12:47 | <cliebow> might do aa showmount -e just to be sure nfs exports all of /opt/ltsp
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12:47 | oh yeah..my work is actutally it guy in Ellsworth schools..one of 5
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12:47 | and skippering a boat
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12:48 | <jarhed> sounds like fun
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12:48 | <cliebow> oh yeah..this gives me a chance to rub shoulders with giants
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12:48 | <jarhed> just got out of the Marines and wanted to help out a school around here whilst i start looking for a job
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12:56 | <cliebow> very cool..my boss was marines then airforce..same idea..
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12:58 | <cliebow_> a
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12:58 | a
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12:59 | a
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13:00 | <mistik1> b
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13:01 | <cliebow_> mitiki1:trying to change nick..doesnt seem working
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13:02 | c
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13:02 | /NICK
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13:05 | d
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13:11 | <yhan> hi,
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13:12 | <yhan> question : since I forced my term to directly xdmcp, the localdev are not mounting automaticly anymore
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13:12 | <yhan> do I need to add somehting in lts.conf ?
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16:06 | <jarhed> how should unique parameters be grouped in lts.conf: by hostname or MAC?
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16:17 | <freemind> [default]
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16:20 | <jarhed> well i got it to work via MAC, won't work via hostname
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16:25 | <jarhed> cliebow:jammcq:ogra -- Thanks for all the help ... the aspire finally came up!!!
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16:25 | <cliebow_> jarhed
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16:25 | that on ltsp5?
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16:25 | <jarhed> yes
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16:25 | <cliebow_> reat..learned a lot then..
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16:25 | <jarhed> the final item was not getting the x file via hostname but via MAC
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16:26 | <cliebow_> you missed an a in you nick didnt you/
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16:26 | ?
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16:26 | <jarhed> in lts.conf
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16:26 | <cliebow_> you nick ought to be jarhead?
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16:26 | 8~)
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16:26 | <jarhed> oh ...yeah
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16:26 | well ...
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16:26 | <jammcq> jarhed: you can do it by hostname, if your dhcpd.conf and /etc/hosts file is setup correctly
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16:27 | check the 'dhcp' page on the ltsp wiki
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16:27 | <jarhed> never occured to check the host file as i thought the ip would always change
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16:28 | but now that u mention it --- makes perfect sense
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16:28 | <jammcq> if you have parameters that MUST be tied to a specific workstation, then MAC address is prolly your best choice
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16:29 | <jarhed> thanks again ...learned a lot....gonna split
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17:55 | <freemind> j #ltsp-br
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18:02 | <freemind> hi,
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18:02 | someone here use fl-teachertool?
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18:53 | <yhan> no but It looks interesting
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19:32 | <J45p3r> cliebow: ping
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19:32 | <cliebow> yo
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19:32 | hi
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19:32 | <J45p3r> carl says he has to be at doctors in am
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19:32 | can't do beech
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19:32 | <cliebow> yes..i n eed to go to beh
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19:33 | <J45p3r> you need a hand up there?
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19:33 | <cliebow> i dont think so..
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19:33 | <cliebow> just check the six i did at school for lexia
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19:33 | andd assign a teacher pw..9i foorg etted 8~)
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19:33 | <J45p3r> ok, he said he planned to meet you there? but anyhoo he has an appt. at 9:30 and can't make it
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19:34 | <cliebow> cool..ill be in at 8 to pick em up
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19:34 | <J45p3r> I'm available if you need me
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19:34 | ok
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19:34 | <cliebow> he spoke about it on friday..but i couldnt make much sense of that\
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19:34 | <J45p3r> ok
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19:35 | <cliebow> i appreciate that..just a final check..
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19:35 | did you get ariound that sata stuff?
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19:35 | <J45p3r> naw, spent most of the weekend outside for a change
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19:35 | <cliebow> Beautiful day staurday for sure..
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19:36 | i had to use dapper on my wife's laptop..then u/g tot edgy...then to feisty..
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19:36 | <cliebow> got her hsfmodem working sort of
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19:36 | <J45p3r> yep, got my truck all sparkely, I'll have to poke around on google and see if I can find an easy work around, I just don't wanna toast my data
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19:37 | <cliebow> \seems to die..after a couple minutes
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19:37 | <J45p3r> as in disconnects?
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19:37 | <cliebow> yeah..but right now firefox is doing 985 cpu
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19:37 | so maybe that is part oof uit\
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19:38 | 9 minutes this time around wiyhout the disconnect..
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19:38 | but the thing sems hung
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19:39 | <J45p3r> does it disconnect even if you are actively downloading/surfing?
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19:39 | <cliebow> yes
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19:39 | <J45p3r> weird, you'd think if it works it works
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19:39 | <cliebow> it is a pos anyway..but even in icewm it is pegges
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19:40 | i know..i spent five minutes looking up error code 16..to find out what i already knew..modem disconnectted.
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19:41 | <J45p3r> ah, very useful error message
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19:41 | <cliebow> heh..it was fgirefox/java..
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19:42 | so killed em..n ow pppd died..
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19:43 | <cliebow> one thing with icewm..you get a visual of cpu
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19:43 | <J45p3r> so killing firefox kills the connect?
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19:43 | <cliebow> did this time..
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19:44 | havnt got it quite sorted out
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19:45 | <J45p3r> well, good luck, I'm gonna turn in after a busy couple days
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19:45 | <cliebow> night..see ya tomorow
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19:46 | <J45p3r> l8r
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19:46 | <cliebow> l8r
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22:17 | <freemind> hi...
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22:17 | i has used this shell to list [user] [host]
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22:18 | and wanna know if its correct...
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22:18 | netstat -t -e --numeric-host --numeric-ports | grep :6000 | grep ESTABELECIDA | sed -e 's/:/ /g;s/ESTABELECIDA//g;/root/d' | awk '{print $8,$6}' | sort | uniq
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22:37 | <edgarin> freemind, hablas español cierto?
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22:38 | <freemind> no mui biem...
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22:38 | <edgarin> ahh ok
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22:38 | <freemind> why???
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22:38 | <edgarin> In the command say ESTABLECIDA
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22:38 | <freemind> pt_br
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22:39 | <edgarin> freemind, ohh! ok! :)
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22:39 | <freemind> ESTABLISHED
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22:40 | <edgarin> of course!
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22:40 | <freemind> you can use this...
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22:40 | sorry...
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22:40 | <edgarin> but I don't see a problem with this command
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22:40 | sure works perfectly
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22:40 | <freemind> tks
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22:41 | now I'lll go to construct a series of options in an web interface with php
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22:43 | <edgarin> ohhh! cool!
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22:44 | <freemind> but necessary to know if it is interesting for the project
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22:44 | or somebody
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22:46 | <edgarin> for my person is necessary to list the hosts :)
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22:50 | <freemind> i gonna work...
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22:50 | tks
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22:50 | :-D
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