IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.libera.chat (webchat)
Channel log from 25 January 2009 (all times are UTC)
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| 00:08 | <kc8pxy> johnny: for the momnet
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| 00:23 | <alkisg> (intrepid): In /etc/inetd.conf, I have: 9571 stream tcp nowait nobody /usr/sbin/tcpd /usr/sbin/ldminfod
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| 00:24 | But there's no /usr/sbin/ldminfod !
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| 00:24 | Should it be installed by default?
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| 00:31 | <ltsppbot> "alkisg" pasted "dpkg -L ltsp-server" (267 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/214
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| 00:46 | <johnny> kc8pxy, probably not now
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| 00:46 | please leave me private message of whether you use gtk-engines with success
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| 00:48 | <ball> I have some machines that it's difficult to get software on, but they might make passable X terminals.
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| 00:48 | ...Can LTSP be installed to a hard disk?
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| 00:50 | <johnny> not really
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| 00:51 | easier to just put some other distro on it
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| 00:51 | sorry.. it could
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| 00:51 | there's just not much benefit
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| 00:51 | in comparison to the easier admin load of network images
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| 00:52 | <ball> Perhaps I should just learn Xdm
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| 00:53 | <johnny> why don't you just net boot em?
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| 00:54 | or do you actually wanna run the software locally?
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| 00:54 | <ball> johnny: I suppose this one /could/ net-boot. It's got PXE
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| 00:54 | (if that works, I know other parts of the firmware don't)
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| 00:55 | <johnny> you can also netboot from floppies
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| 00:55 | <ball> This has no way to add a floppy drive.
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| 00:55 | <johnny> or you could put the pxe image on the hard disk..
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| 00:55 | no floppy? what does it have?
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| 00:55 | <ball> it has a hard disk.
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| 00:56 | ...which I had to temporarily plug into another machine to get the OS installed.
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| 00:56 | <kc8pxy> johnny: how do i know which is running?
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| 00:56 | <ball> kc8pxy: 73 de kb9ylw
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| 00:57 | <kc8pxy> ball: 73
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| 00:57 | <johnny> kc8pxy, unmerge gtk-engines-ubuntulooks
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| 00:57 | <kc8pxy> ball: you headed out?
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| 00:57 | <johnny> if it exists
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| 00:57 | and emerge gtk-engines..
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| 00:57 | <kc8pxy> in the chroot?
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| 00:57 | <ball> kc8pxy: I should be going to bed, but I won't be able to sleep unless I figure out what I'm going to do with this box.
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| 00:58 | <johnny> kc8pxy, yes
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| 00:58 | you have it on the server
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| 00:58 | if you have gnome
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| 00:59 | not that it matters if it exists on the server tho
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| 01:00 | <kc8pxy> johnny: mind if i do it in the morning? I'm in ubuntu on the ltsp dev server, and I'm a bit tired.
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| 01:01 | <johnny> ok
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| 01:01 | just pm me in the results
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| 01:01 | if it works, i'll fix the deps
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| 01:01 | it should work..
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| 01:01 | i'm still having problems with my system .. that i haven't figured out how to resolve yet
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| 01:02 | <ball> johnny: I was thinking of having all the X clients run on a central (headless) box.
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| 01:03 | <johnny> so.. no cd, no floppy.. just harddisk?
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| 01:03 | on all of them? even the ones without netboot?
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| 01:04 | you could just put the rom on the hard disk
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| 01:04 | <ball> in the MBR?
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| 01:05 | ...PBR? ...or in its own partition?
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| 01:08 | <johnny> there are instructions somewhere
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| 01:09 | <ball> okay. I'll google for them in the morning. I keep falling asleep at the keyboard now.
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| 01:10 | <alkisg> ball: you could install gpxe (http://etherboot.org) in the hard disk to enable them to netboot, and maybe also make a local swap partition to make some use of the local hd
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| 01:10 | bah.. didn't see that he left :(
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| 05:01 | <udovdh> hello
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| 05:01 | anybody awake?
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| 05:02 | I was thinking about turning a VIA Epia into a diskless xterminal and got a tip to look at ltsp
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| 05:03 | so I did https://fedorahosted.org/k12linux/wiki/InstallGuide on my F10 x86_64 box
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| 05:03 | (need to add the bridge kernel module...)
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| 05:03 | or else https://fedorahosted.org/k12linux/wiki/NetworkSetup won't work with the bridge
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| 05:04 | but then the documentation stops
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| 05:04 | the fs under /opt/ltsp does not contain files
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| 05:04 | so how to continue from there?
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| 05:05 | Also: what about using gPXE, downloading a kernel etc via http and using AoE?
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| 10:20 | <Smashi> hi
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| 10:20 | <kc8pxy> heya
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| 10:25 | <Smashi> I have some problems with ltsp5 i use a IBM netvista 2200 thinclient with debian etch distribution for server and client
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| 10:25 | booting takes a long time
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| 10:26 | and if i logon on client he logs automaticaly after random time off
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| 10:35 | <kc8pxy> Smashi: hmmm.. not sure i can help. can other thinclients login with simplicity?
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| 10:35 | <guza> hi
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| 10:35 | one question
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| 10:36 | is there solution to diskless workstation only use network hdd
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| 10:37 | and all other resources to use localy
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| 10:37 | <nubae> fatclient or localapps
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| 10:37 | <guza> i think proccessors time
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| 10:38 | ram
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| 10:38 | etc
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| 10:38 | and can i setup ltsp to see my local drives
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| 10:39 | on workstation
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| 10:40 | i see that at one hosting companny
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| 10:40 | <nubae> yes, no problem
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| 10:40 | I suggest u check: http://www.nubae.com/ltsp-linux-terminal-server-project-netbooted-fat-client-for-ubuntu-hardy-and-intrepid
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| 10:41 | <guza> thanks a lot
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| 10:42 | today is my lucky day :D
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| 10:42 | buy thanks for help :)
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| 10:45 | <alkisg> nubae, I think you should write down somewhere the basic differences between fat clients <=> localapps...
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| 10:54 | <Smashi> re sorry i had telephone
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| 10:55 | what is simplicity kc8pxy ??
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| 10:55 | what is simplicity kc8pxy ??
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| 12:00 | <kc8pxy> Smashi: sorry.. simplicity is not a program/product.. can your other thinclients login without issue?
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| 12:00 | <johnny> kc8pxy, did you try?
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| 12:01 | <kc8pxy> johnny: one sec.
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| 12:01 | * kc8pxy zapped his lan by fiddling in the breaker box, trying to reset a breaker :) | |
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| 12:02 | <kc8pxy> wife blew a circuit using a space heater and her blow dryer on the same circuit :)
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| 12:02 | <johnny> oops
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| 12:02 | bad kc8pxy
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| 12:05 | * kc8pxy wonders why ubuntu borks his monitor on reboot, but neither gentoo nor winXP does. | |
| 12:08 | <kc8pxy> johnny: nuking unbuntulooks from chroot
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| 12:09 | <johnny> and emerge gtk-engines..
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| 12:09 | it'll be one less ~arch
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| 12:09 | then we just need openrc :(
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| 12:10 | <kc8pxy> openrc is a clean install. just ~arch udev and sysvinit :)
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| 12:11 | <johnny> i mean non ~arch
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| 12:18 | <kc8pxy> kk
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| 12:20 | <kc8pxy> johnny: any idea what's holding up openrc from going arch?
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| 12:20 | brb
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| 12:21 | <johnny> probably in bugzilla
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| 12:34 | <kc8pxy> johnny: should i notice any difference? should i be testing with a user i created AFTER i installed the ltsp?
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| 12:34 | <johnny> no
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| 12:34 | if it just works.. that is good
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| 12:34 | that's the point :)
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| 12:35 | <kc8pxy> same diff, changing the gtk-engines from ubuntulooks to vanilla makes no change, AFAIK
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| 12:35 | <johnny> ok.. so i can remove that ~arch for ubuntulooks and just dep on gtk-engines in ldm
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| 12:35 | <kc8pxy> nice
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| 12:41 | johnny: something i ran into trying to install the ltsp live at the shop. right now it's using the 2008.0 profile. when i did an emerge -vp gnome, i found a bunch of things like hal and dbus that were not in the profile useflags.. will those affect the ltsp in a negative way, being not specified?
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| 12:44 | <johnny> hmm?
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| 12:44 | if they become needed, we will add them
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| 12:48 | <kc8pxy> johnny: will it help the serving if they are set?
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| 12:48 | johnny: or does it not matter for this?
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| 12:49 | <johnny> oh.. on the server
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| 12:49 | it doesn't affect ltsp in any way
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| 12:49 | it does affect the programs you might run in general
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| 12:49 | with or without ltsp
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| 12:51 | <smashi> i have a new problem too i wrote a rdesktop startup script if i start the machine there is no problem inside i logon on my windows server and wait a few minutes and use the mouse the xserver crash without a debug message
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| 12:53 | i have this problem only with debian etch if i use debian lenny i get no errors and all is perfekt problem iss that i use an usbserver programm to get the ports from thinclient to the windows machine and this programm takes function only in edge not in lenny
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| 12:54 | <johnny> then you should use lenny
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| 12:54 | perhaps our debian master might have another idea tho..
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| 12:54 | <smashi> if i use lenny the usbserver has no function
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| 12:54 | <kc8pxy> "it hurts when i do !THIS!, doc" , "then don't do that."
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| 12:55 | <johnny> you should focus on fixing that problem then
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| 12:56 | <smashi> if i try to logon ro bash i get the error bash: root: command not found
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| 12:58 | i think there is one mistake and if i could disolve this problem than the machine works perfektly
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| 13:01 | <smashi> if i startup my thinclient it takes long he writes a line 0 value set a line 0 true 5 or 6 times
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| 13:01 | * vagrantc wonders how to tell the "he" thin clients from the "she" thin clients | |
| 13:02 | <alkisg> lol :D
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| 13:02 | <smashi> sorry my english is not the best
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| 13:03 | <vagrantc> smashi: no problem. i just couldn't resist :)
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| 13:03 | <smashi> np ;-)
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| 13:05 | <kc8pxy> smashi: du spricht Deutsch?
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| 13:06 | <smashi> ja
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| 13:06 | <kc8pxy> smashi: ok, that's why:) ich auch.
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| 13:07 | <smashi> soll ich mein problem nochmal auf deutsch angehen ??
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| 13:07 | <kc8pxy> gendered articles are one of the things i dislike most in the german language, or rather, the seemingly non-existant "pattern" by which they are assigned :)
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| 13:08 | smashi: nein. ich habe nur gefragt.
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| 13:09 | smashi: mein Deutsch ist schlecht. nicht gut genug zu mithelfen.
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| 13:10 | smashi: i just asked, because you english sounded like german was your native.
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| 13:11 | <smashi> ahhh
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| 13:11 | i understand
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| 13:12 | i sitting here since 2 weeks and have much problems with the client i become desperate
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| 13:13 | <alkisg> vagrantc, is Ubuntu supposed to have /usr/sbin/ldminfod? I got a reference for it in my inetd.conf, but I don't have ldminfod...
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| 13:15 | <vagrantc> alkisg: it's split into it's own package on newer versions of ubuntu
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| 13:15 | alkisg: "ldminfod" package, i think.
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| 13:15 | * vagrantc will upload an ldm-server package if debian ever releases again | |
| 13:15 | <alkisg> ...so I also shouldn't have the inetd.conf entry, I guess...
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| 13:15 | Heh... any news for lenny?
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| 13:16 | <kc8pxy> smashi: I've been here for a while too, and still not all my goofs are not working.
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| 13:16 | <vagrantc> oh, it's been hovering around 30-50 release critical bugs for at least 3-4 months now.
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| 13:17 | <alkisg> ...maybe I should try sidux for starters, then :)
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| 13:18 | <smashi> I don't now what i should do :-(
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| 13:18 | <vagrantc> stgraber: i think the enable-popcon one is basically broken with newer versions of popularity contest...
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| 13:18 | stgraber: the plugin for that, that is...
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| 13:19 | <smashi> I need the thinclients for my company
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| 13:22 | <stgraber> vagrantc: oh, ok I'll have to test it.
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| 13:22 | vagrantc: do you know what changed in popcon ?
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| 13:22 | <vagrantc> stgraber: they moved a cron.weekly script into cron.daily and did some weird processing of the day of the week stuff...
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| 13:22 | <kc8pxy> anyone here able to assist smashi ?
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| 13:23 | <vagrantc> stgraber: so it runs once a week from cron.daily ... which is just plain gross
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| 13:23 | stgraber: i'll look into fixing it...
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| 14:53 | <vagrantc> stgraber: i've got a patch for the popcon thing, just need to test it and push it.
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| 14:59 | <alkisg> Anyone managed to install virtualbox-ose-guest-utils in the chroot?
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| 15:06 | <vagrantc> stgraber: you updated ltsp-trunk/po/fr.po without updating the PO-Revision-Date or Last-Translator :P
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| 15:35 | <haenck> is anyone aware with any recently introduced problems with mounting USB keys on LTSP with Ubuntu Hardy...? I upgraded a server from Feisty to Hardy and now mounting USB keys has gone sporadic...
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| 15:35 | It has worked with earlier Hardy servers I have set up...
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| 15:36 | <vagrantc> haenck: did you upgrade the LTSP chroot as well?
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| 15:37 | <haenck> yep.
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| 15:37 | <stgraber> vagrantc: oops, will update the header :) I did it by hand instead of using one of the translation tools, that's why ...
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| 15:38 | <haenck> I noticed that someone reported a similar issue on the mailing list earlier this month, but I could not find if anyone had replied- or if he had fixed it...
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| 15:40 | <alkisg> haenck: it was for intrepid (https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ltsp/+bug/317286) - I don't know if Hardy has the same problem
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| 15:41 | I commented out the configure_localdev() function temporarily to work around the problem, but now stgraber has a correctly fixed version in his ppa.
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| 15:41 | But again, I don't know if it's the same problem you're experiencing.
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| 15:44 | <haenck> lemme take a look, thanks...
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| 15:46 | have to find out if this affects Ubuntu 8.04.1 and 8.04.2....
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| 15:47 | <stgraber> should affect both i didn't do any update to ltsp for .2
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| 15:56 | <alkisg> vagrantc, where can I send the new el.po files? In the ltsp-devel mailing list?
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| 15:58 | <haenck> actually... there doesn't appear to be an ltsp-init-commons file in my Hardy install, so this might not be the problem I am running into...
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| 15:58 | <alkisg> haenck: ls /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/share/ltsp/ltsp-init-common
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| 16:03 | <haenck> not there...
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| 16:04 | <vagrantc> alkisg: sure, ltsp-developer is fine
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| 16:04 | <alkisg> ty!
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| 21:27 | <vagrantc> stgraber: you want to use relative symlinks for all the plugins you just symlinked into the debian dir :)
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| 22:50 | <stgraber> vagrantc: I now officially hate mc :)
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| 22:50 | <Ryan52> what's mc?
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| 22:52 | <stgraber> midnight commander a norton commander clone (sort of)
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| 22:53 | <johnny> Ryan52, ncurses version of many popular file manager guis
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| 22:54 | <Ryan52> ah.
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| 22:55 | <stgraber> vagrantc: fixed and pushed
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| 22:56 | <johnny> kc8pxy, i started cleaning up the quickstart profile
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| 22:56 | i moved the /etc/lts.conf creation to ltsp-client ebuild
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| 22:56 | i'm thinkin i need a more "meta" package
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