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| 11:41 | <xTea> Hi All ! any idea's on how to idle timeout LTSP clients ?
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| 11:44 | <Blinny> Upgraded four servers to Lucid (10.04.3) this weekend. Anyone have experience resolving the gconf-sanity-check-2 configuration server exiting w/ code 256 error in an LTSP environment?
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| 11:46 | <alkisg> xTea: what do you mean exactly? to have a screensaver?
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| 11:47 | Blinny: that's on the server? If so, it's completely unrelated to LTSP, ltsp doesn't use gconf...
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| 11:47 | <Blinny> This is when logging into a thin client.
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| 11:47 | <xTea> alkisg: I need to kill sessions older then say 45 minutes - but i can't for the life of me find out how to determine if they are idle
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| 11:47 | <Blinny> I'm guessing a spurious .file config from hardy that is causing problems.
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| 11:47 | <alkisg> Blinny: and the same user, if he logs in directly on the server (if possible), doesn't get that error?
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| 11:48 | <Blinny> alkisg: That one I'll have to test.
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| 11:48 | Bug I think you report correctly. This weekend was a blur (fighting with Openswan to get tunnels back up)
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| 11:48 | Let me go test.
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| 11:48 | To the server room, batman!
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| 11:49 | <alkisg> xTea: how about `xset q`?
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| 11:50 | Or maybe "w" could also do it, not sure...
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| 11:50 | Yup `w` looks better for that
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| 11:51 | <xTea> alkisg: ideally i would want to deal with this problem from the server side - I am using ubuntu which means Muecow, so the X sessions are all encapsulated in ssh and utmp and wimp don't get updated like they normally would
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| 11:52 | <alkisg> xTea: if you're root, you can access the user displays
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| 11:52 | So if `xset -q` does the trick for you, I can tell you how to do the rest
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| 11:52 | Or, you could use a special screensaver instead,
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| 11:52 | <xTea> alkisg: let me have a quick look
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| 12:02 | <Blinny> alkisg: Forgot my server is headless. That test will have to wait.
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| 12:02 | I have a few disklessworkstation clients that aren't working on Lucid. These are the T-1225 machines
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| 12:03 | <alkisg> Blinny: ok, anyway, what's the exact error message about gconf?
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| 12:03 | <Blinny> alkisg: "There is a problem with the configuration server. {path}/gconf-sanity-check-2 existed with status 256"
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| 12:03 | Tons of info, none of the fixes have worked (thus far): ltsp gconf-sanity-check 256
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| 12:04 | <alkisg> And in ~/.xsession-errors? Or, if you run gconf-sanity-check-2 directly?
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| 12:04 | <Blinny> Does Lucid's LTSP do etherboot automagically?
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| 12:04 | No problems if I run sanity-check directly.
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| 12:04 | <xTea> alkisg: if i understand correctly you want to use the screen saver to trigger an idle logout ?
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| 12:04 | <Blinny> xsession-errors is long enough that I'm not sure what to look for.
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| 12:04 | <alkisg> Blinny: What's the exit code? /usr/lib/libgconf2-4/gconf-sanity-check-2; echo $?
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| 12:04 | <Blinny> 256
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| 12:04 | <xTea> alkisg: xset -q is working for me
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| 12:04 | <Blinny> oh wait
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| 12:05 | alkisg: 0
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| 12:05 | (when run from the terminal)
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| 12:05 | <alkisg> xTea: yes, that was my idea about the screensaver, if you want that check on the client instead of the server
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| 12:05 | xTea: if you prefer to run xset -q on the server, I can tell you how to do that instead
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| 12:05 | <xTea> alkisg: i would prefer server side !
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| 12:06 | <alkisg> Blinny: and except for that warning/error, does something else go wrong, or everything works as expected?
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| 12:06 | <Blinny> alkisg: I haven't found any actual problems.
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| 12:07 | alkisg: I click 'close' and proceed as normal.
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| 12:07 | Oh! No etherboot in Lucid's LTSP!
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| 12:07 | <xTea> alkisg: i have about 1.6k server with a user base of 300k people - server side is a little easier :)
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| 12:07 | <alkisg> xTea: how's your shell knowledge? this `ltsp-exec` script executes a command for all users, while setting xauthority etc: http://paste.ubuntu.com/672387/
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| 12:07 | xTea: that's a reason to do it client side, decentralized. But as you wish :)
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| 12:07 | <xTea> alkisg: can program - will have a look at the snippet
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| 12:09 | <Blinny> Anyone know how to access the BIOS in a Disklessworkstations.com T-1225 ?
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| 12:09 | <alkisg> Blinny: about etherboot clients (do you really need etherboot? or forcing pxelinux.0 works for your clients?): https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mknbi/+bug/487826
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| 12:09 | <Blinny> alkisg: I may not - can't get into the BIOS to change it to gPXE ;)
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| 12:10 | <alkisg> Blinny: the change is done to dhcpd.conf
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| 12:10 | You just remove the "if" there, that checks the client vendor id
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| 12:10 | <Blinny> Dunno how many of these I have sprinkled around the offices.
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| 12:10 | alkisg: Right on. Got it off-hand or is it in that bug report?
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| 12:10 | <Hyperbyte> Blinny, isn't it done by pressing delete on boot?
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| 12:10 | <Blinny> Have a user calling about a login problem - be right back.
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| 12:10 | Hyperbyte: Tried holding delete, no love!
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| 12:11 | <Hyperbyte> That's what works for me on DLWS T1520 and above.
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| 12:11 | <alkisg> F2, F8, F10, F12...
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| 12:11 | I think my T5000 needed F2
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| 12:16 | <Blinny> Hmm. This is in the server's syslog: x-session-manager[2055]: Gtk-CRITICAL: gtk_main_quit: assertion `main_loops != NULL' failed
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| 12:16 | Directly above x-session-manager[2055]: WARNING: Could not launch application 'scp-client.desktop': Unable to start application: Failed to execute child process "scp-client" (No such file or directory)
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| 12:16 | scp-client.desktop is in /etc/xdg/autostart. wtf is xdg?
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| 12:16 | <alkisg> Is that a custom script of yours?
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| 12:17 | xdg is a standard for cross-desktop settings that work on both gnome and kde (and others)
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| 12:17 | So maybe you put it there so that you get something to run on login, for all users
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| 12:17 | <Blinny> Never seen it before.
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| 12:17 | <alkisg> Ah. You have thin-client-manager installed?
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| 12:17 | <Blinny> My scripts are in /etc/X11/Xsession.d/
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| 12:18 | <alkisg> Remove that, it's quite broken
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| 12:18 | <Blinny> Do you happen to know the package name?
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| 12:18 | <alkisg> probably: sudo apt-get purge --auto-remove thin-client-manager-gnome
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| 12:19 | <Blinny> Hmm. Package thin-client-manager-gnome is not installed, so not removed
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| 12:20 | <alkisg> Try with -backend
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| 12:21 | Or: dpkg -l '*thin-client-manager*' | grep ^ii
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| 12:21 | sudo apt-get purge --auto-remove thin-client-manager-backend
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| 12:21 | <Blinny> Looks like backend was installed, -gnome was not.
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| 12:22 | <alkisg> Or: dpkg -S /etc/xdg/autostart/scp-client.desktop (tells you which package put the file there :D)
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| 12:22 | <Blinny> So one client puts gnome-panel into an infinite loop.
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| 12:22 | Ah! I thought I needed apt-file for that. THank you!
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| 12:23 | <alkisg> !reset-panels
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| 12:23 | <ltsp> alkisg: reset-panels: To reset Gnome panels, losing all customizations you've made to them: gconftool-2 --recursive-unset /apps/panel && pkill -u ~alkisg gnome-panel.
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| 12:23 | <alkisg> Er, without the alkisg there, something went wrong with the bot :)
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| 12:23 | <Blinny> Minus the tilda
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| 12:23 | <alkisg> -u $USER
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| 12:24 | Somehow the bot mixed that with -u ~alkisg...
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| 12:24 | <Blinny> Dig.
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| 12:24 | BRB
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| 12:25 | <Hyperbyte> !reset-panels
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| 12:25 | <ltsp> Hyperbyte: reset-panels: To reset Gnome panels, losing all customizations you've made to them: gconftool-2 --recursive-unset /apps/panel && pkill -u \jan gnome-panel.
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| 12:25 | <Hyperbyte> Heh
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| 12:25 | !learn whoami as $USER
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| 12:25 | <ltsp> Hyperbyte: The operation succeeded.
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| 12:25 | <Hyperbyte> !whoami
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| 12:25 | <ltsp> Hyperbyte: I don't recognize you.
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| 12:26 | <Hyperbyte> Haha, okay...
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| 12:29 | <alkisg> I thought we put ` as a special character for commands... it doesn't seem to work with this
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| 12:37 | <Blinny> Nope. That t1225 will not go into system setup.
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| 12:39 | <Blinny> Here's a .xsession-errors from a user who cannot log in.
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| 12:39 | http://paste.ubuntu.com/672406/
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| 12:39 | Strangely, I tried another user, didn't get the sanity-check error, and it wouldn't log in either.
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| 12:40 | Looks like an xserver crash
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| 12:42 | alkisg: What's the dhcpd.conf secret to make etherboot clients boot gpxe?
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| 12:43 | or, at least pxeconfig
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| 12:45 | Do I just force all clients to boot pxelinux.0 ?
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| 12:45 | <Appiah> filter with mac
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| 12:45 | <Blinny> Take out the 'if substring(identifier)' ?
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| 12:46 | <Appiah> it will check for config file named the same as the clients mac address
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| 12:47 | when it wont find it it will result to default , pxelinux.cfg/default
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| 12:47 | <Blinny> Well, since etherboot is no more, why even have the 'if (substring(identifier)' block in there?
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| 12:47 | "is no more" being a colloquialism of course
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| 12:49 | It works!
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| 12:49 | Great caesar's ghost this thing is slow.
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| 12:59 | <xTea> alkisg: with xset -q how do i tell if a session is idle ? timeout = 0 ?
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| 13:15 | <alkisg> !reset-panels
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| 13:15 | <ltsp> alkisg: reset-panels: To reset Gnome panels, losing all customizations you've made to them: gconftool-2 --recursive-unset /apps/panel && pkill -u $USER gnome-panel.
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| 13:15 | <alkisg> Hyperbyte: in case you ever need it, it's $$USER instead of $USER there
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| 13:15 | No other form of quoting works for dollars
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| 13:15 | <Hyperbyte> Maybe we should change it to euro signs. ;-)
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| 13:16 | <alkisg> Haha :D
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| 13:16 | No, british pounds ftw
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| 13:16 | Blinny: open /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf
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| 13:16 | See the "if" command there
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| 13:17 | From the 4 lines of the if command, leave uncommented only the one containing pxelinux.0
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| 13:17 | Put # on the others
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| 13:17 | For the graphics card, try disabling compiz
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| 13:17 | !compiz | echo Blinny
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| 13:17 | <ltsp> Blinny compiz: the default window manager in gnome is gnome-wm, which automatically chooses compiz if it thinks that the card supports it. Compiz is causing login problems to some clients (LP #673072). To disable it, see !disable_compiz. To restore it, see !restore_compiz.
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| 13:17 | <alkisg> So yeah force all clients to pxelinux.0
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| 13:18 | About "etherboot is no more", it's just a bug, but it seems that noone is quite interested in solving it :)
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| 13:18 | xTea: not sure, that's why I was asking *you* if xset -q works for you :)
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| 13:18 | It's probably not there in the output of xset -q
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| 13:18 | Some googling is needed to find the "current screensaver timer" or if it's active etc
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| 13:19 | <xTea> alkisg: hahhaha: the command executes :) i can see the screen saver section with associated timeout - was just wondering if that value was just the configured value or the time remain to timeout
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| 13:36 | <Blinny> !disable_compiz
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| 13:36 | <ltsp> Blinny: disable_compiz: To disable compiz for all users, run: sudo gconftool-2 --direct --config-source xml:readwrite:/etc/gconf/gconf.xml.mandatory --type string --set /desktop/gnome/session/required_components/windowmanager metacity.
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| 13:36 | <Blinny> alkisg: And to disable compiz for one user?
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| 13:36 | add a -u $USER in there?
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| 13:36 | or, even better, for one client.
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| 13:37 | <alkisg> Blinny: nope, you need to remove --direct and --config-source etc, but what's the point to do that for 1 user/
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| 13:37 | ?
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| 13:37 | It cannot be done per client, it's a user setting
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| 13:37 | <Blinny> I only have one really slow non-compiz thin client.
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| 13:38 | <alkisg> Did you verify that compiz is indeed the problem?
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| 13:38 | <Blinny> No.
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| 13:38 | <alkisg> Well, do that first
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| 13:38 | You can reenable compiz, it's not like you're doomed if you disable it for a few seconds...
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| 13:42 | <Blinny> The biggest issue I have with three separate users is after successful login the xserver crashes.
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| 13:42 | <alkisg> Does the xserver crash if you disable compiz?
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| 13:43 | <Blinny> Trying that now.
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| 13:44 | I have a bunch of etherboot cards for which the dhcp / pxelinux.0 fix does not work.
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| 13:44 | It's not Monday, it's Funday!
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| 13:44 | <alkisg> Hehe
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| 13:44 | And you upgraded to 10.04 a year later... had you updated sooner, you'd have gotten more problems without bug reports + ready solutions :D
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| 13:45 | What do these cards report when you force pxelinux.0 on them?
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| 13:45 | <Blinny> Yeah I know - that's why I waited!
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| 13:46 | Yah the slow disklessworkstation is slow with or without compiz
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| 13:46 | <alkisg> Are we talking about a slow workstartion or about an xserver crash?
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| 13:46 | <Blinny> Actually wait. It's kinda passable.
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| 13:46 | OK, slow workstation OK.
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| 13:50 | Let me set up the crasher.
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| 13:51 | alkisg: I waited in #openswan almost 24 hours for a response to a problem. After finally getting one, the guy (an op) said 'paste in blah blah' then went silent from then on. I've seen you help folks on the email list and in this chatroom. Thank you.
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| 13:52 | <alkisg> Thanks, but it's normal to ask for more info about a problem and then to be silent once you see it's not the problem you had in mind. Don't be harsh, free support in irc is never something to take for granted :)
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| 13:53 | <Blinny> I know I know.
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| 13:53 | OK crashing workstation crashes.
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| 13:54 | <alkisg> You disabled compiz with the above command, then you logged on, and still it crashed?
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| 13:54 | So ok reenable compiz, it's not that
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| 13:54 | !SCREEN_02
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| 13:54 | <ltsp> alkisg: SCREEN_02: to get a root shell on an Ubuntu thin client: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/ClientTroubleshooting#Using%20a%20shell%20SCREEN.
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| 13:54 | <alkisg> get a local shell on that client and paste the output of `lspci -nn -k | grep -A 2 VGA`
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| 13:55 | <Blinny> alkisg: It crashes with some users and not others.
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| 13:55 | <alkisg> Blinny: that's 95% a problem with compiz, are you sure you disable it correctly?
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| 13:56 | <Blinny> root@www:~# gconftool-2 --direct --config-source xml:readwrite:/etc/gconf/gconf.xml.mandatory --type string --set /desktop/gnome/session/required_components/windowmanager metacity
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| 13:56 | <alkisg> That's on the server, not in the chroot, right?
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| 13:56 | <Blinny> Let me reboot the client again.
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| 13:56 | Correct.
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| 13:56 | <alkisg> No need to reboot
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| 13:56 | It works on the next logon
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| 13:56 | <Blinny> Well, the resolutions are all kinds of screwy. Sometimes look OK, sometimes 640x something odd.
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| 13:57 | <alkisg> Ah, maybe some users have different resolutions in their ~/.config/monitors.xml files?
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| 13:57 | Delete those files from the problematic users
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| 13:58 | <Blinny> can I for ii in delete every monitors.xml and have them regenerated without serious problems?
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| 13:58 | <alkisg> Sure
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| 13:58 | sudo -i
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| 13:58 | rm /home/*/.config/monitors.xml
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| 13:59 | <Blinny> stickynotes_app is running away too.
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| 13:59 | Sheeshy!
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| 14:00 | <Blinny> Worked that time. Let me test the other workstation.
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| 14:04 | <Blinny> Worked that time. Let me test another workstation.
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| 14:04 | <alkisg> So it was a problem with the saved display resolutions - do reenable compiz and try again
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| 14:05 | <Blinny> Many of the crashing users did not have monitors.xml files
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| 14:06 | <Blinny> Yah. Disabling compiz is the key, not monitors.xml
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| 14:06 | Let me disable on all my servers.
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| 14:06 | <alkisg> Ah you have multiple servers, that's why it didn't work the first time?
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| 14:08 | <TheMatrix3000> Hey everyone
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| 14:09 | good morning
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| 14:09 | Anyone here using NFSv4 with LTSP? Right now I am using NFSv3, and would like to know what the difference is?
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| 14:10 | <alkisg> ...it's not at all related to ltsp? :D
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| 14:13 | <Blinny> alkisg: Hrm. Multiple servers are in different cities - not doing multiple servers at one location.
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| 14:13 | <alkisg> ok, i wonder why it didn't work the first time you disabled compiz then
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| 14:16 | <Blinny> Maybe it was a combination of problems. When the one workstation crashed after disabling compiz, the resolution was very very messed up, to the point of being almost unreadable. After rebooting the client, it looked OK at 800x600 and logged in OK.
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| 14:16 | <alkisg> Sounds reasonable
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| 14:19 | <Blinny> Let me run over and try that one chucklehead's client.
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| 14:23 | That works too.
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| 14:23 | So, it's either with some clients or some users' migrated settings that compiz objects.
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| 14:25 | Seeing lots (10+) of zombie processes per server too.
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| 14:26 | Ah. Look like they're my bash/zenity login synchronization scripts run from Xsession.d
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| 14:26 | Probably happened on the xserver crash
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| 14:28 | I think in my next life I'll be a garbage man.
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| 14:29 | !enable_compiz
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| 14:29 | <ltsp> Blinny: Error: "enable_compiz" is not a valid command.
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| 14:30 | <Blinny> !restore_compiz
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| 14:30 | <ltsp> Blinny: restore_compiz: if you disabled compiz by running the command suggested by the !compiz factoid, and you want to revert the change, run: sudo gconftool-2 --direct --config-source xml:readwrite:/etc/gconf/gconf.xml.mandatory --recursive-unset /desktop/gnome/session/required_components.
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| 14:36 | <Blinny> Well, definitely something with compiz. I can reliably produce the xserver crash on a client by enabling/disabling compiz.
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| 14:37 | Is there a 'reset all settings' script, or do I need to carefully rm .files ?
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| 14:37 | <alkisg> All settings of what? Users?
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| 14:38 | <Blinny> An individual user.
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| 14:38 | I mean basically take them back to skel, or wipe every customization out.
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| 14:38 | When I migrated /home from an old k12ltsp box to Hardy I had to do that.
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| 14:39 | ('course, that was Fedora->Ubuntu, but still)
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| 14:39 | <alkisg> You shouldn't have to do that from hardy to lucid
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| 14:39 | But yeah settings are stored in .files, .gconf, .config etc
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| 14:39 | But there's also data there, e.g. evolution mails in .evolution or other data in .local
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| 14:40 | <Hyperbyte> Blinny, I never removed all user settings from going from Fedora to Ubuntu
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| 14:41 | <Blinny> I guess it would be impossible to write a sweeping, but selective configuration wiper.
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| 14:42 | <alkisg> You can move them all in a separate dir and keep them for a while in case some user needs something back
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| 14:48 | <Blinny> I really like the automagic reboot upon detection of a new image.
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| 14:50 | Ok, got my time synchronized.
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| 15:40 | <Blinny> Unusually high server load after upgrade to Lucid.
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| 16:52 | <alkisg> Blinny: which process eats up the CPU? ssh?
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| 16:54 | <Blinny> No, there's nothing I can point to. Probably a firefox/flash thing.
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| 16:55 | I'm going to work on this sanity-check issue now.
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| 16:58 | <Blinny> Error doesn't happen when I create a new user and log in.
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| 17:09 | <Blinny> !restore_compiz
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| 17:09 | <ltsp> Blinny: restore_compiz: if you disabled compiz by running the command suggested by the !compiz factoid, and you want to revert the change, run: sudo gconftool-2 --direct --config-source xml:readwrite:/etc/gconf/gconf.xml.mandatory --recursive-unset /desktop/gnome/session/required_components.
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| 17:12 | <Blinny> Fixed it!
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| 17:13 | $USER/.gconf.path.defaults and $USER/.gconf.path.mandatory were pointing to unreadable directories.
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| 18:38 | <vagrantc> stgraber: i uploaded ltspfs 0.9-1 to debian, i think it's probably safe for you to sync if you want
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| 18:39 | (a week or so ago)
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| 18:45 | <stgraber> vagrantc: ok, I'll look and request the sync
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| 19:28 | <Leolo_3> xfce4 question: on the user's screen, during xdm login, there's an ugly wavy line pattern. how do I set this to something else?
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| 19:29 | i was wondering if I could do it by modifying startx. but I don't have xsetroot in the terminal's /usr/bin (or anywhere)
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| 19:30 | oh wait, looking in wrong place
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| 19:38 | ok, so if I add -ac to my Xorg line, then run xsetroot, I can do it
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| 19:39 | how would I do this w/o -ac
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| 19:49 | <vagrantc> Leolo_3: don't use -ac!
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| 19:49 | <vagrantc> Leolo_3: what are you trying to do? xdm isn't really used in LTSP anymore...
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| 19:50 | Leolo_3: and what distro? what version?
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| 19:51 | <Leolo_3> I know / Centos 5 / ltsp4
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| 19:52 | (I know, it's old)
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| 19:52 | <vagrantc> oh.
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| 19:52 | <Leolo_3> what i'm doing in startx (roughly) is ( Xorg ...; echo DONE ) | ( sleep 3 ; xsetroot -solid red ; read done )
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| 19:53 | xsetroot is failing because Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server
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| 19:53 | <vagrantc> does it use an xauthority token?
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| 19:53 | <Leolo_3> I tried creating an /tmp/Xauthority with xauth, but that has to happen after X is running
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| 19:54 | <vagrantc> something like XAUTHORITY=/path/to/Xauthority DISPLAY=:0.0 xsetroot
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| 19:54 | <Leolo_3> yeah
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| 19:54 | but how to I creat Xauthority?
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| 19:54 | <vagrantc> don't create it, just look for one running
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| 19:54 | this sort of thing is trivial with modern LTSP :)
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| 19:54 | <Leolo_3> yeah, i know I know
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| 19:55 | <Gadi> !disable-compiz
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| 19:55 | <ltsp> Gadi: disable-compiz: To disable compiz for all users, run: sudo gconftool-2 --direct --config-source xml:readwrite:/etc/gconf/gconf.xml.mandatory --type string --set /desktop/gnome/session/required_components/windowmanager metacity.
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| 19:55 | <Leolo_3> an no, I can't find an Xauthority
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| 19:55 | <vagrantc> Gadi actually developed on ltsp 4.x...
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| 19:56 | but many of us didn't get involved until 5.x, essentially
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| 19:58 | <Gadi> sorry - running around
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| 19:58 | whats up?
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| 19:59 | <Leolo_3> gadi : i want to run xsetroot in startx under ltsp 4
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| 19:59 | xsetroot is failing because Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server
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| 20:00 | i'm trying to get an Xauthority created... neither -auth /tmp/Xauth nor xauth -f /tmp/Xauth does anything useful
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| 20:00 | <Gadi> is XAUTHORITY set?
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| 20:01 | I thought in LTSP4, it used ~/.Xauthority
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| 20:01 | for the user that logs in
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| 20:02 | after all, it uses a greeter from the server-side dm
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| 20:02 | <Leolo_3> "greeter"? I just see a login screen
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| 20:02 | <Gadi> right - provided by xdm/gdm/kdm running on the server
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| 20:02 | aka a "greeter"
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| 20:02 | <Leolo_3> but, I've got it working... almost... xauth -f /tmp/Xauth add :0.0 . long-hex-string
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| 20:03 | <Gadi> (as opposed to a "chooser")
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| 20:03 | <Leolo_3> oh right, yes
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| 20:03 | i wanted to change the ugly wavy-line-background thing
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| 20:03 | <Gadi> if you add xsetroot on the server in /etc/X11/Xsession.s, does it not set the background?
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| 20:03 | <Leolo_3> which means, i take it, running xsetroot after Xorg has launched
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| 20:03 | <Gadi> wavy-line == default gray hash?
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| 20:03 | <Leolo_3> yeah
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| 20:04 | <Gadi> well, there are a few ways
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| 20:04 | <Leolo_3> gadi : mmmm? where .s == .1 .2 .3 .4 .5?
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| 20:04 | <Gadi> sorry
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| 20:04 | I meand .d
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| 20:04 | *meant
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| 20:04 | sucks when you cant type :)
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| 20:04 | lol
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| 20:05 | <vagrantc> is there a way to pass x options ... like X -br
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| 20:05 | <Leolo_3> gadi : I want this to happen around the gdm greeter, not after login.
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| 20:05 | <alkisg> X_ARGS?
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| 20:05 | <Leolo_3> better yet, how to tell X to "set up, run this prog, then do XDMPP query"
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| 20:06 | <vagrantc> oh, maybe -br doesn'tt exist in that version of X
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| 20:06 | Leolo_3: there may be arguments you can pass to X directly, rather than using xsetroot
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| 20:06 | <Gadi> yeah, so pass -br
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| 20:06 | that will give you black
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| 20:07 | you would have to pass it to X directly
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| 20:07 | because X is requesting the greeter
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| 20:07 | <Leolo_3> -br didn't work
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| 20:08 | <Gadi> or add something to the Init of the dm on the server
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| 20:08 | <Leolo_3> oh wait a sec
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| 20:08 | yeah, -br doesn't work
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| 20:09 | but xauth -f /tmp/Xauth add .... ; ( X .... ; echo DONE ) | ( sleep 5 ; xsetroot ... ; read done ) does
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| 20:09 | the sleep is annoying
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| 20:10 | <Leolo_3> wait, is it -br #color or just -br?
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| 20:10 | <Gadi> just -br
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| 20:10 | <Leolo_3> ok, -br works
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| 20:12 | <vagrantc> any color you like, as long as it's black
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| 20:12 | <Hyperbyte> Vagrant Ford. :-)
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| 20:13 | <vagrantc> free software can't buy software!
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| 20:16 | <Leolo_3> any ideas on how to eliminate the sleep?
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| 20:16 | as in, find out when X is running?
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| 20:17 | ... I guess I could run xsetroot in a loop...
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| 20:19 | that didn't work
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| 20:19 | <vagrantc> black isn't good enough for you?
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| 20:20 | <Gadi> hehe
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| 20:21 | if you are using gdm, put your xsetroot in gdm's Init folder on the server
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| 20:21 | <vagrantc> or xdm has a way to run stuff too
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| 20:22 | though barely present nostalgia isn't enough to spark memories of how
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| 20:29 | * Leolo_3 smashes his head on the table | |
| 20:29 | <Leolo_3> DisplayManager*.setup: /etc/X11/xdm/XsetupRemote
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| 20:29 | was all I needed
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| 20:33 | gadi++
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| 20:33 | vagrantc++
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| 20:33 | SUCCESS!
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| 20:41 | <vagrantc> Leolo_3: great!
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| 20:41 | Leolo_3: hopefully someday you'll have the opportunity to upgrade to LTSP5 :)
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| 20:44 | <Leolo_3> ideally, yes
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| 20:45 | i have about a 100 users all working on ltsp 4 exactly like I want them too. moving them to ltsp 5 would take more time then I want to spend right now
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| 21:26 | <mnemoc> hi, using ubuntu 11.04+ltsp, how does one debug localapps when it doesn't give any output? does `localapps` debug somewhere?
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| 21:27 | <alkisg> does `ltsp-localapps xterm` open an xterm?
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| 21:27 | <mnemoc> err, log somewhere*
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| 21:27 | 1m
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| 21:28 | great, it did. thanks! I'll start fighting there
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