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Channel log from 18 May 2010 (all times are UTC)
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| 01:28 | <glink> hello all
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| 01:28 | I am trying to configure an ltsp server
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| 01:28 | but i am having trouble looking for answers. I have searched for detailed howtos but have not been successful
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| 01:29 | my setup involves external dhcp and tftp server
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| 01:30 | i am enable to boot the ltsp client via pxe but it can not find an ndb server
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| 01:30 | in my pxelinux.cfg/default file i only have a settings for an nbd port
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| 01:31 | how can i specify which nbd server the client can use?
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| 01:32 | this is the append line in my default file ---> append ro initrd=ltsp/amd64/initrd.img quiet splash nbdport=2000
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| 01:33 | how do i specify the ip of the nbd server?
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| 01:58 | <dobber> sometimes when a client logs off it leaves open processess
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| 01:58 | for example, i have a 100% cpu usage on a skype process, and the users clients is turned off
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| 02:38 | <alkisg> dobber: if the clients do not logoff properly, some processes are left behind. There are some tools like gnome-watchdog to automatically kill all such processes.
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| 02:41 | <dobber> alkisg yeah, i found out that the client does not logoff properly
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| 02:41 | searching why
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| 02:41 | ...
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| 02:42 | i haven't used linux desktop in 6 years... it's all new to me now :)
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| 02:43 | <alkisg> glink: nbdroot=ip:port, but that should be done automatically for you. do you have another dhcp server running?
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| 02:45 | <glink> alksig: thanks i just found the out and tried it
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| 02:45 | but it does not work
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| 02:45 | my platform is lucid
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| 02:45 | <alkisg> Do you get a busybox shell on the client?
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| 02:45 | <glink> but the dhcp server and tftp server are external to the ltsp server
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| 02:45 | yes i get the busy box shell
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| 02:46 | i just installed by apt-get install ltsp-server
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| 02:46 | then ran ltsp-build-client
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| 02:46 | <nerux> Hi
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| 02:47 | I've problem with new ubuntu release for run my thinclients
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| 02:47 | <alkisg> glink: in that shell, try: nbd-client server-ip 2000 /dev/nbd0
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| 02:47 | <glink> btw, how can i test if my nbd server is configured properly?
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| 02:47 | alkisg great i will try that
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| 02:48 | <nerux> I've a LDAP server and a 10.04 LTSP server
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| 02:49 | my thinclients logged in correctly with a local account but I can open any menu (application, ...) with an LDAP account
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| 02:49 | <glink> alkisg: i think it was able to connect
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| 02:49 | it did not return an error
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| 02:50 | <nerux> an id command successfully respond can you help me ?
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| 02:51 | <glink> alkisg: it said negotiation size=4kb bs=1024 sz=4kb
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| 02:52 | alkisg: does that mean it was able to connect and download?
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| 02:52 | <alkisg> yes but the size is wrong
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| 02:52 | grep nbd /etc/inetd.conf
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| 02:53 | <glink> alkisg: i have a running nbd-server at port 2000
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| 02:53 | <alkisg> ok, but do give the above command to see the file path
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| 02:53 | <glink> i did not configure it via inetd.conf but i see an nbdroot entry there
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| 02:53 | am i running 2 nbd servers?
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| 02:54 | <alkisg> you configured nbd-server manually? what exactly did you do?
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| 02:54 | (and, why?)
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| 02:54 | <glink> yes i installed it. why? because i really did not know what i was doind ;)
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| 02:55 | doing
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| 02:55 | <nerux> you can use /etc/nb/config file to configure one or more file
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| 02:55 | <alkisg> glink: well, undo what you did so that it works as usual from inetd
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| 02:55 | <nerux> /etc/nbd-server/config
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| 02:55 | <glink> alksig: i will try it now. thanks
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| 02:56 | <nerux> and disable and remove nbd entry in the inetd.conf file (update-inet.d command)
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| 03:14 | <glink> alkisg: nbd-client was able to download a bigger file
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| 03:15 | nerux: thanks for the tips also
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| 03:15 | <nerux> ok
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| 03:15 | <glink> alksig: whats the next step from intramfs shell?
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| 03:16 | <alkisg> glink: ctrl+d to exit
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| 03:17 | (so that it continues booting)
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| 03:22 | <glink> alksig: i see
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| 03:25 | alksig: nbd-client downloaded a file with size 569920KB
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| 03:25 | after i issued ctrl d, i got a mount /rofs /root/rofs failed invalid argument
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| 03:34 | <alkisg> What do you get if you boot the client normally? Do you still get nbd errors?
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| 03:39 | <glink> alksig: i was able to get to the login prompt already. this after i changed pxelinux.cfg/default to nbdroot=ip:port. previously it was nbdroot=ip nbdport=port
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| 03:39 | alksig: thanks much ;)
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| 03:39 | <alkisg> No that shouldn't matter
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| 03:39 | If fact you shouldn't have to specify any nbd* parameters
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| 03:39 | Anyway if it works, fine
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| 03:40 | <glink> alksig: yeah. but it works now. thanks
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| 07:50 | <nerux> hi, Ive a problem with lucid LTSP server run with LDAP server
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| 07:51 | Anybody, can help-me ?
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| 08:07 | <reynolds> Can anyone help me figure out why when I create a new user, I cannot access their login from my clients? I can log in with users that I have previously created.
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| 08:11 | <reynolds> netflix
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| 09:30 | <reynolds> anyone having problems logging in to clients? I am getting this message "gib warning ....getpwuid_r failed...
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| 09:50 | <sbalneav> Morning all
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| 09:59 | <Gadi> !s
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| 09:59 | <ltspbot`> Gadi: "s" :: Scotty!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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| 10:00 | <sbalneav> Gadi: Did some more work on the project, haven't forgotton :)
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| 10:00 | I'm struggling with Ubuntu server right now.
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| 10:01 | <Gadi> struggle? Ubuntu? never!
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| 10:01 | <sbalneav> yeah
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| 10:01 | software raid completely doesn't work on an install
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| 12:00 | <dcepticon> hi ive a problem with nbd server
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| 12:01 | failed to connect to nbd server and if I go nbd-client ltsp-server-addy 2000 /dev/nbd0 it says
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| 12:02 | unknown partition table
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| 12:03 | <dcepticon> noone in?
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| 12:04 | <alkisg> dcepticon: unknown partition table is ok
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| 12:04 | What size does it say?
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| 12:11 | <dcepticon> one sec
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| 12:11 | sry
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| 12:11 | 540696
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| 12:12 | <dcepticon> alkisg?
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| 12:12 | <alkisg> It seems ok.
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| 12:12 | Is your client very fast?
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| 12:13 | (e.g. core 2 duo etc?)
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| 12:13 | <dcepticon> the box only has 384 MB of ram
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| 12:13 | <alkisg> 384 is more than enough for a thin client
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| 12:13 | While at busybox, try this: cat /etc/net-eth0.conf
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| 12:14 | <dcepticon> of one sec...
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| 12:14 | <alkisg> see the ROOTSERVER line there
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| 12:14 | Is this your ltsp server? Or e.g. a router?
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| 12:14 | dcepticon: sorry, /tmp/net-eth0.conf
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| 12:15 | <dcepticon> oops it's the ip of my gateway not the ltsp box
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| 12:16 | <alkisg> One way to work around it is to specify it with nbdroot=ip:2000
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| 12:17 | But you're not supposed to have 2 dhcp servers on the same subnet...
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| 12:17 | <dcepticon> in /etnbd-server/config?
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| 12:17 | <alkisg> No, in pxelinux.cfg/default
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| 12:17 | <dcepticon> in /etc/nbd-server/config?
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| 12:17 | ahh ok will try
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| 12:17 | <alkisg> But you'd better solve it correctly, i.e. use only 1 dhcp server
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| 12:17 | (either the ltsp one or the other one)
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| 12:18 | <dcepticon> i already did that thx :)
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| 12:19 | now it read default ltsp
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| 12:19 | label ltsp
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| 12:19 | kernel vmlinuz
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| 12:19 | append ro initrd=initrd.img nbdport=9572
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| 12:19 | nbdroot=192.168.0.151:2000
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| 12:20 | i also noticed the gateway is wrong
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| 12:20 | 0.0.0.0
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| 12:21 | <alkisg> That's your router setup sending the wrong gateway
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| 12:22 | Turn that dhcp server off... or use a different subnet... or a proxydhcp server...
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| 12:22 | Don't leave it with 2 dhcp servers, it causes more problems than it solves
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| 12:23 | <dcepticon> i only have one dhcp server running
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| 12:23 | it's on the ltsp server not the router
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| 12:24 | <alkisg> can you paste your /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf ?
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| 12:24 | !pastebot
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| 12:24 | <ltspbot`> alkisg: "pastebot" :: The LTSP pastebot is at http://ltsp.pastebin.com. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebot, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. Don't forget to paste the URL of the text here.
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| 12:27 | <dcepticon> http://ltsp.pastebin.com/y8tnKsQL
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| 12:28 | <alkisg> " - Unknown paste ID, it may have expired or been deleted!"
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| 12:29 | <dcepticon> http://ltsp.pastebin.com/mmyW6tpa
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| 12:29 | <alkisg> The same.
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| 12:29 | Try paste.ubuntu.com
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| 12:33 | <dcepticon> http://paste.ubuntu.com/435656/
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| 12:35 | brb alkisg, smoke break :)
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| 12:36 | <alkisg> OK. Do you have 1 or 2 NICs on your server?
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| 12:42 | <dcepticon> just one
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| 12:44 | <johnny> i wonder how much benefit i'd really see if i enabled my second nic which is gigabit
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| 12:44 | i have a switch with a gigabit uplink
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| 12:44 | not sure if it's going to be worth the hassle with fat clients
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| 12:44 | what do you think alkisg ?
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| 12:44 | <dcepticon> ok I actually was running two dhcp server forgot to disble the ltp dhcp server
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| 12:44 | <johnny> perhaps the image download would be faster.. but it's not that bad right now.. the machine s stay on all day
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| 12:45 | <alkisg> johnny: you got 2 gigabit nics?
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| 12:45 | <johnny> no
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| 12:45 | <alkisg> one 100mbps and one 1gigabit?
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| 12:45 | <dcepticon> alkisg, so i just concatenated the two
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| 12:45 | <johnny> yes
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| 12:45 | <alkisg> johnny: and you're using the 100mbps now?
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| 12:45 | <johnny> yep
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| 12:45 | it's the onboard one
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| 12:45 | <alkisg> Well, you'd have 10x times the speed...
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| 12:46 | <johnny> the reason we didn't use it by default, is that we have an wrt54gl in between.. so i have to rewire stuff
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| 12:46 | so that switch goes directly to the machine
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| 12:46 | 10x the speed for what?
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| 12:46 | <alkisg> For network speed, i.e. disk access for the terminals
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| 12:46 | <johnny> how will it be noticable for fat clients?
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| 12:46 | <alkisg> Sure
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| 12:47 | <johnny> if it's all fat clients
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| 12:47 | <alkisg> Disk access will be 10 times faster
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| 12:47 | That's surely noticable...
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| 12:47 | <johnny> i'll try.. i think we ran into a problem trying to bridge the network
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| 12:47 | <alkisg> What's your network setup?
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| 12:47 | 1 switch?
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| 12:48 | <johnny> 3 clients -> 8 port 100mbs / gbs uplink -> wrt54gl (100mps)
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| 12:49 | and the dsl modem and ltsp server are connected to the hub
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| 12:49 | err wrt54gl
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| 12:49 | if only the wrt54gl was gb
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| 12:49 | <dcepticon> alkisg, now i have a message spawning shell in initramfs
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| 12:49 | <johnny> then i wouldn't have to rewire anything
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| 12:50 | <dcepticon> ssh root@192.168.0.201
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| 12:50 | oops
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| 12:50 | <johnny> maybe i should just buy a new machine
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| 12:50 | err a new router
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| 12:50 | <alkisg> johnny: well the main thing is to put the gigabit server nic to the gigabit uplink
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| 12:51 | (and turn flow control off)
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| 12:51 | Does that gigabit nic allow turning flow control off?
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| 12:51 | <johnny> sure.. that just involves rewiring behind the counter :)
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| 12:51 | lol
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| 12:51 | <alkisg> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/FlowControl
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| 12:51 | If not, there's no point in doing it
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| 12:51 | <johnny> i wouldn't have to use the other nic if at all
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| 12:52 | <alkisg> dcepticon: what message?
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| 12:52 | <johnny> if i replaced the wrt54gl with something with gb ports
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| 12:52 | or rather.. i wouldn't have to use the onboard nic at all
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| 12:52 | and wouldn't have to setup natting
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| 12:52 | <alkisg> Why natting? One nic is enough...
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| 12:52 | <johnny> not if i need the server machine connected to the 100mbs switch
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| 12:52 | the wrt54gl
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| 12:53 | there's about 30 ft between the 2 hubs
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| 12:53 | <dcepticon> alkisg, now i have a message "spawning shell in initramfs" (the screen of output clears before it says that so I can't shift-page-up)
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| 12:53 | <alkisg> remove "quiet splash" from pxelinux.cfg/default
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| 12:54 | <johnny> alkisg, another benefit .. would be moving dnsmasq from the server machine and putting it on the wrt54gl.. which i don't have the space/ram for atm
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| 12:54 | or rather.. the replacement for the wr54gl
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| 12:54 | <alkisg> johnny: for 3 clients why do you need a dhcp server?
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| 12:54 | <dcepticon> alkisg, I did already and i see loads of output instead of the pulsing ubuntu frambuffer
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| 12:54 | <alkisg> Just use the embedded dhcp server of the wr54gl
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| 12:54 | <johnny> alkisg, cuz i need a tftp server anyways?
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| 12:54 | so.. why not
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| 12:55 | plus it's also a caching dns server
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| 12:55 | so.. to me.. the real question is why not.. it's basically free
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| 12:56 | i had a problem with getting dnsmasq to act right on the lan network
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| 12:56 | probably related to the coova firmware i use
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| 12:56 | <johnny> which is a captive portal
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| 12:56 | too bad coova seems to be slowed down development wise
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| 12:57 | i'm not sure what's a good addon firmware to use nowadays
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| 12:57 | something that provides a captive portal
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| 12:57 | something i don't have to manually setup
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| 12:57 | coova just works
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| 12:59 | <alkisg> dcepticon: right, on those loads of output there's an error somewhere, try to locate it (near the end)
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| 13:03 | <dcepticon> i'm used to looking for output errors it talks about the mouse and usb subsystem then the last line says "changing colour console to 80x25" and then starts busybox
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| 13:04 | <alkisg> Hmmm try putting back "quiet" (but leave splash out) to have fewer messages
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| 13:05 | <dcepticon> ok do you want to see my /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/lts.conf
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| 13:08 | label ltsp
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| 13:08 | kernel vmlinuz
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| 13:08 | append ro initrd=initrd.img quiet nbdport=9572
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| 13:08 | nbdroot=192.168.0.151:2000
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| 13:08 | for pxelinux.cfg/default
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| 13:09 | i'm starting to question the ports on the nbdroot and nbdport lines
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| 13:10 | alkisg, does that make sense?
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| 13:10 | <alkisg> Nope
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| 13:10 | <dcepticon> are those values correct?
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| 13:10 | <alkisg> append ro initrd=initrd.img quiet
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| 13:10 | put only that there, delete both nbd* entries
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| 13:11 | <dcepticon> ok ill attempt that (thanks man)
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| 13:11 | <alkisg> the nbdport=9572 is for swapping, don't use it for a root port
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| 13:14 | <dcepticon> alkisg, nope same thing. loads of output then it seems like it switches video modes (or like typing reset on the console) then goes to busybox
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| 13:16 | my /var/log/messages says May 18 11:37:16 ramadmin kernel: [83475.159201] nbd0: unknown partition table
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| 13:20 | <dcepticon> alkisg, i have [export]
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| 13:20 | exportname = /opt/ltsp/i386
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| 13:20 | port = 9572
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| 13:20 | <alkisg> Where?
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| 13:20 | <dcepticon> alkisg, in /etc/nbd-server/config
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| 13:21 | <alkisg> Delete that file completely...
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| 13:21 | nbd-server runs from inetd
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| 13:21 | <dcepticon> alkisg, but keep the user=nbd and group=nbd?
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| 13:21 | <alkisg> dcepticon: what did you make all those changes?
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| 13:21 | Now you're just wasting hours to undo them
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| 13:22 | <dcepticon> :P because it wasn't working
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| 13:22 | lol i know
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| 13:23 | damn same thing
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| 13:23 | <alkisg> Erm, ok, maybe you should try to purge ltsp-server along with all of its dependencies, so that all config files are purged as well, and reinstall ltsp
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| 13:24 | (the image will be kept as it is)
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| 13:24 | <dcepticon> only the ltsp server?
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| 13:24 | <alkisg> You need to restart the nbd server after changes to the configuration files
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| 13:24 | <dcepticon> did that
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| 13:24 | <alkisg> how?
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| 13:24 | <dcepticon> /etc/init.d/nbd-server restart
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| 13:24 | <alkisg> Yup, that's the wrong way to do it
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| 13:25 | nbd-server runs from inetd
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| 13:25 | <dcepticon> service nbd-server restart
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| 13:25 | <alkisg> Nope
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| 13:25 | <dcepticon> ?
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| 13:25 | <alkisg> openbsd-inetd restart
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| 13:25 | <dcepticon> mm how then?
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| 13:25 | <dcepticon> oohh right
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| 13:25 | kay lemme try that first
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| 13:26 | <alkisg> Anyway it's getting messier and messier by the second, so allow me to return to work... :)
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| 13:26 | <dcepticon> l8r thanks!
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| 13:26 | <alkisg> Do try to revert any changes that you did...
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| 13:28 | <dcepticon> ok thanks
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| 13:39 | <reynolds> anyone familiar with "glib-warning getpwuid_r failed" with login on one of my clients?
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| 13:49 | <denisesball> hey guys, is it normal when you enter an incorrect user/pass at ldm for ldm to say "no response from server, restarting" go black and show terminal sayin "glibc error unknown user id" and then restart?
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| 13:49 | seems like it should be a little more graceful and just give a "bad username/password" error at ldm
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| 14:03 | <johnny> denisesball, not much is gonna change for that until ldm is rewritten to use libssh
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| 14:24 | <reynolds> anyone familiar with the LTS.conf variable LDM_LOGIN_TIMEOUT
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| 14:25 | <johnny> yes
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| 14:25 | i used to use it
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| 14:26 | <reynolds> I would like to have the ability to have my clients auto login, but also have the option to change the user if I need to. Currently I have my clients logging in using LDM_USERNAME but cant get them to work together.
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| 14:29 | <reynolds> my client seems to be ignoring the auto login variable, when used in conjuction.
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| 14:34 | <reynolds> johnny do you know if I need to use it with LDM_AUTOLOGIN or just LDM_LOGIN_TIMEOUT with username and pass?
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| 14:35 | <johnny> should just be the LOGIN_TIMEOUT
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| 14:36 | <vagrantc> read the docs.
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| 14:36 | <reynolds> when I do that I see the count down but It doesnt do anything once it reaches 0. If I include LDM_AUTOLOGIN it skipps countdown and loggs in
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| 14:37 | <vagrantc> i think you need to specify LDM_GUESTLOGIN in order to use LDM_LOGIN_TIMEOUT
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| 14:40 | <reynolds> vagrant thanks, that worked.
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| 14:40 | <rhodan> There is a network with an existing DHCP server that does not respond to extended DHCP discovers. Can I set up a second DHCP server that *only* responds to those and doesn't get in the way?
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| 14:41 | <alkisg> What is an extended dhcp discover?
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| 14:43 | https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/ProxyDHCP
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| 14:44 | <rhodan> Yes, that's what I meant, thank you.
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| 14:47 | <johnny> oh there we go
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| 15:24 | <rhodan> Can Linux boot from NFS4?
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| 15:29 | <johnny> linux can..
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| 15:29 | not sure about ltsp.. as i don't know much about what has changed
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| 15:29 | rhodan, but.. if you use ubuntu, you won't be using nfs anyways
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| 15:29 | or fedora as well i think
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| 15:29 | <rhodan> I'm using Gentoo.
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| 15:29 | <johnny> ah.. yes.. we can't support nbd on gentoo yet, because genkernel sucks
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| 15:30 | <rhodan> I don't even have LTSP. I'm just asking here because it's similar.
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| 15:30 | <johnny> waiting to see dracut stable
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| 15:30 | <rhodan> genkernel?
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| 15:30 | <rhodan> I configure by hand.
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| 15:30 | <johnny> sure.. but we use the initramfs from genkernel
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| 15:30 | you need an initramfs to neboot
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| 15:30 | <rhodan> No.
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| 15:30 | The kernel can boot from NFS IIRC.
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| 15:31 | <johnny> the kernel can load a rootfs yes
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| 15:31 | <rhodan> What more does it need?
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| 15:31 | <johnny> but if you don't compile everything into the kernel.. then you need to load the modules from initramfs before the rootfs is mounted
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| 15:31 | that's the method we support in gentoo's ltsp
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| 15:32 | <rhodan> Oh, I see.
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| 15:32 | <johnny> i don't see why you would be able to boot in nfs3, but not 4
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| 15:32 | <rhodan> I need to know which kernel options to use.
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| 15:32 | <johnny> wrong channel
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| 15:32 | we don't hand configure kernels here
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| 15:32 | all the supported distros use the distro provided kernels
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| 15:33 | inccluding gentoo, .. altho we just build using the defaults of genkerenl
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| 15:33 | genkernel*
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| 15:33 | <rhodan> No, I mean what do I tell grub.
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| 15:33 | <johnny> we don't use grub either
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| 15:33 | we use pxelinux
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| 15:33 | and that option is usually different by distro, since it gets handled by the initramfs
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| 15:34 | <rhodan> root=/dev/nfs nfsroot=192.168.1.1:/diskless/192.168.1.21
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| 15:34 | <johnny> on gentoo it's something like nfsroot via the initramfs
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| 15:34 | <rhodan> That gets handled by the kernel.
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| 15:34 | <johnny> you're gonna have to go ask somehwere else.. if it's different than that, you should find out b people who actually use it
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| 15:34 | nobody here does
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| 15:34 | <rhodan> OK.
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| 16:13 | <vagrantc> in-kernel NFSROOT support only supports NFSv3, as far as i know.
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| 16:13 | <vagrantc> it hasn't seen much development in 5 years, and linus has threatened to remove it from the kernel a few times
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| 16:13 | rhodan: ^^
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| 16:14 | <rhodan> Why did he do that?
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| 16:18 | <vagrantc> maybe it wasn't linus...
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| 16:18 | <vagrantc> it's just old code that's largely better supported via initramfs
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| 16:18 | moving it to userspace
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