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Channel log from 26 August 2009 (all times are UTC)
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| 00:04 | <sbalneav> stgraber: well dput SAID it uploaded successfully, but it doesn't appear to be in my ppa, and my mailbox doesn't have accept or decline messgae
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| 00:04 | so I'm assuming lunchpad's slow tonight
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| 00:04 | <ball> lunchpad? :-9
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| 00:08 | <MRH2> hi i've moved an ltsp install to another system and I can't figure why a particular kernel isn;t booting - It gets stuck at Trying to load pxelinux.cfg/default Could not find kernel image: linux
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| 00:09 | <sbalneav> tftp running on the new system>
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| 00:09 | ?
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| 00:09 | <MRH2> other ltsp kernels on the same machine are booting up fine
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| 00:09 | yep
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| 00:10 | default is definately in the right place
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| 00:16 | <alkisg> MRH2: the message "Trying to load pxelinux.cfg/default" is *not* from the kernel, it's from pxelinux.0.
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| 00:17 | The kernel isn't loaded yet at this point
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| 00:19 | <sbalneav> stgraber: I'm heading to bed.
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| 00:19 | Hopefully it'll be there by morneing.
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| 00:19 | I'll ping you then.
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| 00:20 | Off to finish a few pages of "The crying of lot 49"
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| 00:20 | Night
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| 00:20 | <alkisg> Good night sbalneav
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| 00:31 | <MRH2> weird I have it trying to load exactly the same pxelinux.cfg/default as the other terminals and they still aren't booting
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| 00:32 | anything weird about HP terminals you guys know of?
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| 00:43 | <MRH2> definately just the HP terminals that aren't picking up the tftp stuff
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| 00:47 | <ball> I'm off to bed anyway.
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| 00:51 | <alkisg> MRH2: do they get the same pxelinux.0 ? and which version ?
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| 00:53 | MRH2: if you're sure your tftp server is OK, try with a newer pxelinux.0.
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| 00:54 | <MRH2> i've got one running on a set of generic terminals and a different one for the HP terms, tried the generic one on the HP still didn't pick it up. The whole lot worked previously. Could there be some dhcpd incompatability with specific hardware?
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| 00:59 | <alkisg> Hmmm..... can you upload your /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf to pastebot.ltsp.org?
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| 01:33 | * alkisg notes down that /var/lib/misc possibly needs to be in "copy_dirs" in ltsp-client-setup, not in "rw_dirs". | |
| 02:11 | <ltsppbot> "MRH2" pasted "dhcpd.conf" (7 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/488
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| 02:12 | <MRH2> that's the key bit and it used to work...
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| 02:18 | <alkisg> MRH2: filename "/lts/2.6.9-ltsp-3/pxelinux.0"; ==> maybe you have a typo there, and you mean ltsp, not lts ?
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| 02:19 | I.e. with that path, you should have a file named /var/lib/tftpboot/lts/2.6.9-ltsp-3/pxelinux.0 - check if it really is there.
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| 02:20 | (hmm well it does load pxelinux.0 so you should have that ok...)
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| 02:23 | <MRH2> i have /tftpboot/lts/2.6.9-ltsp-3/pxelinux.0 is there
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| 02:25 | <alkisg> MRH2: run wireshark and see which file it tries to load
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| 02:51 | <ogra> stgraber, feature freeze is tomorrow, i said to forget hardy for now if he ever wants the fixes in the official archive
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| 02:52 | hardy can well happen next week
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| 07:24 | <sbalneav> ogra: Hey hey! OK, I got a karmic maching going last night, created a package, compiled it, and did a dput to launchpad. This was at 12:30 CST last night. As of this morning, no package, and no email from launchpad saying it passed or failed.
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| 07:24 | Any clues what I did wrong?
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| 07:24 | <ogra> where did you upload to ?
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| 07:25 | <sbalneav> my ppa
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| 07:25 | it was called sabayon-2.27.91.0ubuntu1
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| 07:25 | karmic
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| 07:25 | dput said it uploaded ok
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| 07:27 | <ogra> weird version
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| 07:28 | <ogra> there should be a dash between 91 and 0
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| 07:28 | <sbalneav> hold on lemme see. I just woke up...
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| 07:31 | Sorry, sabayon-2.27.91-0ubuntu1
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| 07:31 | <sbalneav> I did get it right.
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| 07:32 | <ogra> hmm, k
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| 07:32 | <sbalneav> I'm re-trying the dput
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| 07:33 | says the signatures good, uploading via ftp
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| 07:33 | Finishes off by saying it's uploaded successfully
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| 07:33 | <ogra> lets see if it shows up
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| 07:33 | else thats a case for #launchpad i guess
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| 07:33 | <sbalneav> wife's out of the shower, off for morning ablutions :)
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| 07:34 | bbiab
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| 07:34 | <ogra> heh
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| 07:34 | so much information
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| 08:26 | <cole> How does one configure the ltsp thinclient to query an LDAP for authentication?
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| 08:30 | <ogra> sbalneav, show me the last debian/changelog entyr
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| 08:30 | *entry
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| 08:37 | <Blinny> cliebow: Got the job?
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| 08:44 | <cliebow> Blinny, dont know yet..i think the interview went awesome..
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| 08:45 | <Blinny> Cool
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| 08:53 | <sbalneav> ogra: Hmm, any way I can mount a cow image?
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| 08:53 | lets see if I can start th VirtualBox remotely
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| 08:53 | <ogra> sure
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| 08:54 | you should just be able to loop mount cow images
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| 08:54 | though note that you need to know the fstype
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| 08:55 | <sbalneav> starting the vbox
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| 08:55 | slow, but coming up
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| 08:57 | hehh, how do I sent a control-alt-f1 :)
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| 08:58 | <ogra> i think there is a menu option
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| 09:29 | <sbalneav> crumb. running the vbox is too slow to use. And mounting a .vdi from virtualbox seems nigh on impossible, seeing as how I created a dynamic image.
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| 09:34 | <stgraber> ogra: sure
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| 09:34 | sbalneav: how's sabayon going ?
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| 09:50 | <_UsUrPeR_> sbalneav: just finished up some sabayon testing
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| 09:50 | <_UsUrPeR_> I was testing the lockdown window. I am still allowed to open terminals
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| 09:50 | shawnp0wers: hey
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| 09:50 | <shawnp0wers> howdy
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| 09:51 | <_UsUrPeR_> how's the school?
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| 09:51 | <shawnp0wers> Not ready. :)
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| 09:51 | <_UsUrPeR_> what was it you are doing in there?
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| 09:51 | pertaining to readyness
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| 09:51 | I know you are the it dude there :)
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| 09:52 | <shawnp0wers> hehehe -- well, virtualized all my servers
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| 09:52 | including my LTSP servers
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| 09:52 | starting with mainly 4.2
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| 09:52 | and rolling out 5 as people show interest
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| 09:53 | also, trying to get additional bandwidth into the school, so installed pfsense (router softwrare) that will load balance
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| 09:53 | plus have to reimage all the macs
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| 09:53 | which... sucks
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| 09:54 | <_UsUrPeR_> ugh
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| 09:54 | 4.2 huh? :)
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| 09:54 | <shawnp0wers> I remembered when i changed the "start menu" a couple years ago, the teachers freaked out
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| 09:54 | <_UsUrPeR_> pfsense is really nice. We are using that in my office as I type
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| 09:55 | <shawnp0wers> so I want to keep things the same as much as possible
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| 09:55 | <sbalneav> stgraber: Well, i've got a package, but it doesn't seem to submit to the ppa
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| 09:55 | <_UsUrPeR_> oh. 5.0 would probably cause conniption-fits
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| 09:55 | <sbalneav> it's locked up in a virtualbox .vdi and I can't get to it :(
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| 09:55 | lemme see...
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| 09:57 | <_UsUrPeR_> sbalneav: I have disabled terminal in the "lockdown" menu for a test account w/sabayon. Unfortunately, terminal still works, but here's the errors that pop up when I open terminal as the test account: http://pastebin.com/m6a38db6b
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| 10:00 | <sbalneav> _UsUrPeR_: How are you launching the terminal?
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| 10:00 | From the menu?
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| 10:00 | <_UsUrPeR_> sbalneav: yeah
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| 10:00 | should I be removing that from the menu?
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| 10:00 | <sbalneav> No idea
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| 10:01 | I've never tested lockdown on sabayon
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| 10:02 | <_UsUrPeR_> sbalneav: is there anything you would like me to test?
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| 10:02 | great news: it starts perfectly
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| 10:04 | <sbalneav> At this point, I have no idea. I've spent most of my time trying to get it launching correctly. Right now, I'm struggling to get a karmic build in my ppa.
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| 10:04 | Best I can tell you is to file a bug and I'll try to get to it.
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| 10:05 | <_UsUrPeR_> sbalneav: no problem. The progress is coming along quite well :)
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| 10:09 | <sbalneav> I can't get logged into the vbox, graphically, as the keyboard seems screwed up.
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| 10:09 | _UsUrPeR_: If you try to use Pesselus, does that lock it down correctly?
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| 10:10 | * alkisg gets the same problem with vbox when the chroot kernels aren't up to date | |
| 10:11 | <sbalneav> stgraber: If I could get one of my kids to fire up the vbox at home and manually transfer me the files, what would you need? the .dsc and .changes file?
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| 10:12 | and the diff.gz I guess
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| 10:16 | <_UsUrPeR_> sbalneav: I have not tried pesselus
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| 10:17 | I'll give it a shot though
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| 10:20 | <stgraber> sbalneav: .diff.gz .tar.gz and .dsc
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| 10:21 | sbalneav: I'll have to sign it myself to upload, so .changes won't be required
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| 10:21 | <sbalneav> ok, where to send it to?
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| 10:21 | <stgraber> depends on size mail could be the easiest stgraber at ubuntu dot com
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| 10:21 | <sbalneav> it'll be less than 2 megs
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| 10:22 | one sec
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| 10:24 | stgraber: ok, sent. 1.4 meg email
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| 10:25 | It's wierd. Builds fine, signs fine. dput reports success.
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| 10:25 | <sbalneav> It just never shows up in my ppa, and launchpad never sends me an email saying it's accepted or rejected one way or the other.
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| 10:27 | <sbalneav> I suspect it's because i've got a 0ubuntu6 in my ppa, and it's just silently throwing it away since I've got a "newer" one in there
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| 10:27 | <stgraber> yeah, that's very likely
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| 10:27 | <sbalneav> but the newer one's for jaunty, not karmic
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| 10:27 | so, if it were me, I'd say that's a launchpad bug, but that's just me.
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| 10:28 | email show up yet? Should be from my top-secret home account :)
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| 10:30 | <stgraber> not yet, maybe it's been caught by my greylisting
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| 10:31 | <sbalneav> heh. Greylisting. I've got it here too. Do you get the "SOMEONE SENT ME AN EMAIL 10 SECONDS AGO AND IT'S NOT HERE YET I THOUGHT THE INTERNETWASSUPPOSEDTOBEINSTANTYOURMACHINESAREBROKENHUAGHGHGLGHGLG" complaints from users? :)
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| 10:32 | <stgraber> yeah, that happens :)
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| 10:32 | but that's that or having them complaining about spams all day so ...
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| 10:32 | <sbalneav> yeah. You never win.
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| 10:33 | <_UsUrPeR_> I used to do tech support for a dialup ISP
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| 10:33 | <stgraber> ok, got your mail
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| 10:33 | <_UsUrPeR_> that would be a major problem, but people would not check their mail for 3 months at a time
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| 10:33 | and somebody inevitably sends them family pics at 50+ megs
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| 10:33 | <stgraber> attachment moving from germany to quebec now :) yeah for internet. Emails go from Canada to Germany and back to Canada :)
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| 10:34 | <_UsUrPeR_> and they wonder why they can't pop their mail
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| 10:34 | <ogra> stgraber, use ubuntuone ;)
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| 10:34 | <laga> ogra: is it still unencrypted?
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| 10:35 | <ogra> no idea
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| 10:35 | <stgraber> ogra: Revolution Linux's infrastructure is in Quebec but my own is in Frankfurt :)
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| 10:35 | <ogra> i have the client running but not a sigle file uploaded
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| 10:36 | <stgraber> sbalneav: only issue is the standard, I'll bump it to 3.8.3 instead of 3.7.3, then test it and upload.
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| 10:39 | <jammcq> g'morning friends
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| 10:41 | <CAN-o-SPAM> hey jam
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| 10:42 | <rjune__> !j
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| 10:42 | <ltspbot> rjune__: "j" is jammcq!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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| 10:48 | * ogra hugs stgraber, thanks for taking that over | |
| 10:50 | <stgraber> ogra: np
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| 10:52 | sbalneav: diff looks good, uploading now
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| 10:53 | <sbalneav> cool
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| 10:53 | Morning jammcq
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| 10:56 | <cliebow> morning Jammcq
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| 10:56 | !
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| 10:58 | <sbalneav> cliebow: you not working at the scool anymore?
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| 11:00 | <stgraber> sbalneav: you should have received a mail on @ltsp.org
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| 11:00 | <cliebow> yes still..but looking forward to getting out
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| 11:00 | <sbalneav> ah
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| 11:00 | <cliebow> they have trashed my ltsp installs
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| 11:01 | <sbalneav> All windows shop now?
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| 11:01 | <cliebow> in favor of frigging ibooks
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| 11:01 | 64000 of them
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| 11:01 | <sbalneav> Wow
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| 11:01 | <cliebow> the whole gd state
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| 11:01 | <sbalneav> that's a lot of cash
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| 11:01 | <cliebow> yes,,stimulus money...for apple
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| 11:02 | so i have a good shot at going t college of the atlantic
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| 11:02 | as systems admin
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| 11:03 | <ogra> wohoo, scottie prominently as ubuntu developer on karmic-changes !! https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/karmic-changes/2009-August/007310.html
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| 11:04 | <cliebow> Go Scottie!
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| 11:06 | <sbalneav> phht
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| 11:13 | <sbalneav> _UsUrPeR_: Did pessellus work?
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| 11:13 | <_UsUrPeR_> sbalneav: just installed, have not quite tested with it yet, but I got it running
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| 13:51 | <rm-rf> i'm getting a "error: ioctl/1.1a failed: bad file descriptor" error
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| 13:51 | the machine won't let anyone log in
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| 13:52 | <alkisg> rm-rf: that error is "normal" :) Maybe you changed your IP and need to run ltsp-update-sshkeys?
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| 13:52 | <rm-rf> i'll give that a shot
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| 13:53 | i was getting a squashfs error
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| 13:53 | <alkisg> Yeah don't mind it, it's there for everyone :)
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| 13:53 | <rm-rf> but that went away after rebooting
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| 13:54 | <alkisg> There's an nbd-reconnection while the client boots, causes these messages but doesn't cause any real harm... (except maybe for misleading peopl)
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| 14:56 | <_UsUrPeR_> sbalneav: just finished trying out pessulus. It looks like you cannot create profiles per user, or assign the same profile to more than one user
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| 14:57 | <johnny> i thought that is what sabayon was for
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| 14:57 | to tie pessulus to sabayon profiles, which can be set per user or group
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| 15:18 | <Mip5> hey Gang - somehow I altered the way my headless ltsp server is configured for connection via vnc. I'm getting an error, "Server did not offer supported security type." - I have another server that is supposedly on the same version, but I can still connect to that one (so it's not my vnc client).
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| 15:20 | <Lns> Mip5: how did you configure the server? it's probably in the configuration if they're the same version....
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| 15:21 | <Mip5> Lns - it was working fine the other day, so I didn't wittingly change it. Any ideas as to where I'd look to compare the configs? Or reinstall the remote desktop related packages?
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| 15:22 | Lns - fwiw - my client sees RFB 3.8 on the server that's not working, and RFB 3.7 on the one that is.
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| 15:23 | <sbalneav> Wow, I hear Jennifer Love Hewett's gonna be at the next BTS
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| 15:23 | <Lns> i had an issue with vnc the other week that sounded like this one, and it turned out to be a dns issue...i'm not really sure with yours though
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| 15:23 | <sbalneav> jammcq: You got her booked, right?
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| 15:24 | johnny: it is, but _UsUrPeR_ was having problems with locking out terminals with sabayon
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| 15:24 | I wanted to see if it at least worked in Pesselus.
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| 15:24 | _UsUrPeR_: But did you manage to lock out the terminal?
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| 15:25 | <rm-rf> alkisg: when you were talking about the common error, was it just relating to the broken pipe, or the squashfs errors i am seeing as well?
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| 15:25 | <alkisg> rm-rf: both
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| 15:26 | <_UsUrPeR_> sbalneav: not yet, no. Just trying out custard at the moment. Much less in the security realm.
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| 15:26 | <alkisg> rm-rf: can you login after ltsp-update-sshkeys?
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| 15:28 | <rm-rf> WARNING: /opt/ltsp/i368/etc/ssh not found. skipping...
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| 15:28 | that's probably suboptimal
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| 15:28 | unless it's normal
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| 15:28 | i'm still a noob to ltsp
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| 15:29 | <alkisg> rm-rf: sudo ltsp-update-sshkeys && sudo ltsp-update-image
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| 15:29 | <Mip5> Lns - I'll check on dns, but I'm using ip addresses everywhere, so I don't see how that could be the issue
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| 15:29 | <Lns> Mip5: yeah, i doubt it's your issue as well
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| 15:30 | i'd verify your vnc server config..
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| 15:30 | <Mip5> where is that?
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| 15:30 | <Q-FUNK> anyone here with hardware based on the Geode GX2 ?
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| 15:31 | <_UsUrPeR_> sbalneav: was able to add icons to user desktops w/sabayon
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| 15:31 | :D
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| 15:32 | also, of course, change menu items.
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| 15:32 | <_UsUrPeR_> custard could not add icons to desktops
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| 15:33 | <jammcq> sbalneav: huh?
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| 15:33 | <dagrichards> Hello new LTSP server user doing a proof of concept for hospital exam rooms
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| 15:34 | <dagrichards> Looking for a way to use local serial devices on the client devices and forward them to a MS term server session
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| 15:35 | <rm-rf> alkisg: no such luck after the image update
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| 15:35 | <dagrichards> Docs on this topic seem to be a little thin
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| 15:35 | <rm-rf> it doesn't let me login at the console either (ctrl-alt-f1)
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| 15:35 | <Lns> Q-FUNK: i think i have one..it's one of those old koolu tcs
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| 15:36 | <alkisg> rm-rf: the root account is locked. Create a file named /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/lts.conf and put the following in it:
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| 15:36 | [Default]
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| 15:36 | SCREEN_02=shell
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| 15:36 | SCREEN_07=ldm
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| 15:36 | <Q-FUNK> Lns: that could either have GX2 or Lx in them
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| 15:37 | <alkisg> rm-rf: Then boot a client, switch to the console with ctrl+alt+f2, and try: ssh server
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| 15:37 | And see if you get any warnings about changed IPs or anything
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| 15:37 | Good night all....
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| 15:37 | <sbalneav> Night alkisg
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| 15:37 | <rm-rf> blast
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| 15:38 | <Lns> Q-FUNK: do you need me to find out? what's the q?
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| 15:38 | <Q-FUNK> Lns: I need to test some upstream git changes, before releasing them
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| 15:39 | <Lns> Q-FUNK: oh..hmm, i'm not really sure how to test for you :( i'm on ubuntu hardy still, too..
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| 15:39 | <Q-FUNK> Lns: I could probably build a hardy package and put it in my PPA
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| 15:40 | <Lns> Q-FUNK: if you think you can do that..i'll check my tc, hold on
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| 15:40 | <sbalneav> dagrichards: There's nothing in LTSP currently to allow you to do that.
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| 15:40 | What is it you're trying to accomplish?
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| 15:40 | <rm-rf> hmm
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| 15:41 | when i do a 'more /etc/resolv.conf' on that second screen that alkisg had me setup, it gives me an input/output error
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| 15:41 | is there something wrong with my image?
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| 15:41 | <Lns> Q-FUNK: :( looks like an LX actually, sorry
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| 15:42 | <Q-FUNK> Lns: it's ok :) thanks anyway
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| 15:42 | <Lns> np
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| 15:42 | <dagrichards> Seems as though there is serial port access
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| 15:42 | <Q-FUNK> Gadi1: would you happen to have any GX2 hardware on hand?
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| 15:42 | <dagrichards> support for serial mice etc
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| 15:42 | I am trying to read prox cards off a serial port
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| 15:42 | proxcard reader
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| 15:43 | <Q-FUNK> jammcq: any GX2 hardware on hand?
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| 15:46 | <dagrichards> sbalneavs: if one were using a local serial mouse would that work?
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| 15:46 | <johnny> serious mice works..
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| 15:46 | serial*
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| 15:46 | but i don't think anything else does
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| 15:46 | <jammcq> Q-FUNK: not me, i'm not involved with DisklessWorkstations.com any more
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| 15:46 | <Mip5> Lns - it looks like the prefs for remote desktop launch vino-preferences, so I'll take a look there. It's strange though that the version of RFB is now 3.8. I don't recall taking that update (and again, the other server doesn't appear tohave that version.
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| 15:47 | <Q-FUNK> jammcq: oh, when did that happen?
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| 15:47 | <jammcq> almost 2 years ago
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| 15:47 | <Q-FUNK> oh
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| 15:47 | <dagrichards> on another tack then-- running rdesktop locally on the thinclient hardware?
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| 15:48 | <sbalneav> dagrichards: You could maybe use something like ser2net or something else that emulates a telnet gateway
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| 15:48 | <dagrichards> rdesktop successfully forward the comport to the MS TERM server
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| 15:49 | my goal is to netboot and run the Thinclient and the run rdesktop
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| 15:49 | I never actuall interact with the ltsp server after that
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| 15:49 | <johnny> you can jupm directly to rdesktop
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| 15:49 | i just don't know anything about it..
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| 15:49 | <johnny> other folks do tho.. it's probably in the docs
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| 15:49 | !doco
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| 15:49 | <ltspbot> johnny: Error: "doco" is not a valid command.
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| 15:50 | <johnny> !docs
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| 15:50 | <ltspbot> johnny: "docs" is For the most current documentation, see http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LtspDocumentationUpstream
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| 15:50 | <dagrichards> ANybody know about running apps locally on the thinclient HW?
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| 15:50 | <sbalneav> dagrichards: One way or the other, I suspect you'll need to do a little programming to get it to work.
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| 15:50 | !localapps
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| 15:50 | <ltspbot> sbalneav: Error: "localapps" is not a valid command.
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| 15:51 | <sbalneav> Hm, don't we have a help for that?
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| 15:51 | <dagrichards> you do
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| 15:51 | LOCAL_APPS=True
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| 15:51 | LOCAL_APPS_MENU=True
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| 15:51 | | |
| 15:52 | but when I run /usr/bin/rdesktop it seems to be running on the server not the client
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| 15:52 | <sbalneav> ltspbot: learn localapps as to access a tutorial on setting up localapps on jaunty, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPLocalAppsJaunty
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| 15:52 | <ltspbot> sbalneav: The operation succeeded.
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| 15:52 | <sbalneav> !localapps
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| 15:52 | <ltspbot> sbalneav: "localapps" is to access a tutorial on setting up localapps on jaunty, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPLocalAppsJaunty
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| 15:52 | <dagrichards> OK
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| 15:52 | I will see if there is more info there
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| 15:52 | tnx
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| 15:52 | <sbalneav> dagrichards: right, you'll want to set SCREEN_07=rdesktop
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| 15:53 | then you can skip the server entirely
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| 15:53 | <dagrichards> ooooooooooooooohhhh
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| 15:53 | ( hit head with palm )
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| 15:53 | <sbalneav> But you've still got your serial port issue :)
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| 15:53 | <rm-rf> so, when i go to the root terminal on this box
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| 15:53 | <dagrichards> burn one bridge at a time
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| 15:53 | <rm-rf> and do 'id <user>'
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| 15:54 | it gives me "no such user"
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| 15:54 | i'm assuming that is why i'm unable to login?
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| 15:55 | <johnny> you did that on the server?
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| 15:55 | <rm-rf> on the thin client
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| 15:56 | <Mip5> Lns - I failed to mention that I had a power outtage on my ltsp server the other day. I just ssh'd into the box, and forwarded the x session, and tried to launch vino-preferences. I got an error about stale NFS locks, and a note about that might be due to a system crash.
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| 15:56 | <johnny> rm-rf, no.. users aren't there
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| 15:56 | not normally anyways
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| 15:56 | <sbalneav> rm-rf: you can also try getent passwd <user>
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| 15:57 | if nothing shows up there, then you've got a problem with your auth subsystem
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| 15:57 | <Lns> Mip5: i'm really not sure, sorry :( Not sure how you have it set up so it's difficult to say
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| 15:57 | <johnny> sbalneav, on the thin client?
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| 15:57 | <sbalneav> Oh, sorry, thought he was on the server
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| 15:58 | <rm-rf> i guess i'm confused on how the client authenticates
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| 15:58 | <johnny> ssh
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| 15:58 | <rm-rf> ok
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| 15:58 | <sbalneav> the client ssh's into the server
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| 15:58 | <johnny> ssh user@host .. try that from the client.. if that works.. auth should work
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| 15:58 | <sbalneav> so, if you can (on a different box) type: ssh user@ltspserver
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| 15:58 | <johnny> if you get a message about not having the key stored
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| 15:58 | <sbalneav> and enter the password and get in
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| 15:58 | <johnny> then you need to run ltsp-update-sshkeys
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| 15:59 | <rm-rf> i run that on the server, outside of the chroot?
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| 16:00 | <johnny> yes
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| 16:00 | but you only need to run it if your ip changed
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| 16:00 | server ip*
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| 16:00 | <rm-rf> it didn't
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| 16:00 | that's what is confusing me
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| 16:00 | <johnny> then ssh user@host from the thin client should work
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| 16:00 | <rm-rf> it does, but it asks to store the key
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| 16:01 | before asking what my password is
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| 16:01 | <johnny> well.. run ltsp-update-sshkeys && ltsp-update-image on the server outside of the chroot
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| 16:01 | and try again
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| 16:02 | <rm-rf> alright, the image is updating
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| 16:02 | <Mip5> Lns Okay - well, it's the standard install really (though it's raided), nothing fancy there. The error message also says that there's a connection refused to /tmp/dbus-randomchars. I wonder if there's a way to reset dbus.
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| 16:03 | <rm-rf> when it updated, it has a message "warning: image defined with different port already in inetd.conf"
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| 16:03 | <johnny> that's fine
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| 16:04 | <rm-rf> alright, image updated, and the machine is booting
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| 16:04 | no dice
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| 16:04 | <Lns> Mip5: no i'm talking about your vnc server...
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| 16:04 | <johnny> then you have something else broken..
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| 16:04 | <rm-rf> kicks me right back to the login screen every time
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| 16:04 | <johnny> are you sure the user exists? :)
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| 16:04 | <rm-rf> are there any logs i can look at?
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| 16:04 | <johnny> try from the client again
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| 16:04 | with ssh availableuser@ltspserver
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| 16:05 | a user you'er not already logged in as.. btw..
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| 16:05 | <Mip5> Lns - right - that's the error I see from the terminal session (ssh -X) to that box, and try to launch vino-preferences to see whether something in remote desktop got changed
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| 16:05 | <rm-rf> nothing
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| 16:05 | <johnny> nothing?
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| 16:05 | go to the console and try it
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| 16:05 | <rm-rf> what do you mean by not already logged in as?
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| 16:05 | <johnny> if you are logged inot the server in an X session of any kind, you shouldn't log in as that same user via ldm on the thin client
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| 16:06 | btw.. the logs are in /var/log/ldm.log
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| 16:06 | <rm-rf> i can login to the server via the console as the user i'm attemping to login on the graphical login
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| 16:06 | <Lns> Mip5: well a surefire way to reset dbus is to reboot the server..with vino, it's running under a logged-in-user's session.. might want to think about setting up gdm via vnc
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| 16:08 | <johnny> rm-rf, did it prompt you for the key store this time?
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| 16:08 | <rm-rf> Xsession: X session started for darrick at Wed Aug 26 15:27:21 CDT 2009
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| 16:08 | open: Permission denied
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| 16:09 | <johnny> that's in ldm.log ? or what?
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| 16:09 | <rm-rf> those are the errors in my ~/.xsession-errors file
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| 16:09 | <johnny> oh
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| 16:09 | <johnny> but you are not logged in as that user already in the gui via the server?
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| 16:09 | <rm-rf> no
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| 16:09 | ssh'd in
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| 16:09 | <johnny> and you didn't get the key message?
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| 16:09 | <rm-rf> but not the gui
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| 16:09 | no
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| 16:10 | <Mip5> Lns - that sounds good. I think I have restared the server, but I'll try it again. Right now it's headless, and a useraccount logs in automatically on boot, and then I vnc into that session. It sounds like there's another way to do it though. I'd like to know more about that.
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| 16:10 | <johnny> ok .. one step closer
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| 16:10 | rm-rf, create another user and try that one..
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| 16:11 | <Lns> Mip5: well maybe fixing your issue would be less work..what distro do you have? I wrote a howto for this, here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/GDMVNCInetdssh
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| 16:11 | <rm-rf> Xsession: X session started for testuser at Wed Aug 26 16:11:07 CDT 2009
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| 16:11 | open: Permission denied
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| 16:11 | <Lns> Mip5: that's for *buntu
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| 16:11 | <johnny> i'm not familiar with that one at all
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| 16:11 | <Mip5> Lns - jaunty
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| 16:12 | <johnny> rm-rf, you must have done something weird..
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| 16:12 | <Mip5> Lns - I'll take a look at you howto.
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| 16:12 | <Lns> Mip5: ymmv w/jaunty, but hopefully those instructions will work
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| 16:12 | <johnny> rm-rf, think back at what you have changed on your server
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| 16:13 | <Mip5> Lns - okay - thanks for your help. I just realized that I was vnc'ing into that machine from the local network before. This is the first time I've vnc'd into it from another network (since I deployed it in another building).
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| 16:14 | <rm-rf> durr
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| 16:15 | /tmp wasn't writable by anyone other than root
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| 16:15 | no idea how that changed, btw
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| 16:16 | <johnny> johnny@falling ~/src/aerial$ ls -ld /tmp
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| 16:16 | drwxrwxrwt. 104 root root 311296 2009-08-26 16:43 /tmp
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| 16:16 | that's what i see..
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| 16:16 | <rm-rf> yeah, once i fixed it, i was able login and i'm working
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| 16:17 | <johnny> cool
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| 16:27 | <Mip5> Bummer - I can't reconnect to a vnc session on this jaunty ltsp server, even when I do so from the same network, and this is after a restart. I keep getting connection refused to /tmp/dbus-randomchars
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| 16:58 | <Mip5> I think I'm going to have to hit this tomorrow. Any parting ideas on where I should look in the logs when I can't connect via vnc? I was able to launch vino-preferences from an ssh -X session (via sudo), and the settings weren't correct (though they had been the other day). I'm getting authentication failure errors from Mac ARD, and from my terminal server client I never get the box to enter...
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| 16:58 | ...my authentication credentials.
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| 17:00 | terminal server client error is: "Connected to RFB server, using protocol version 3.8 Server did not offer supported security type"
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| 17:01 | <Mip5> Okay - thanks for your help folks. Peace out.
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| 21:37 | <sbalneav> Evening all
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| 21:37 | _UsUrPeR_: Are you about?
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| 22:13 | <Brian_H> Hi, I'm working on setting up an LTSP server for a small company of 5 employees now, but that will grow to 20 in the near future. Is there a preferred distribution? And if I use ldap for the users, do I setup the local linux system to auth against ldap or the chroot in /opt/ltsp/i386/...?
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| 22:15 | <sbalneav> Brian_H: Well, with only 20 people, you could do it all on one server, so LDAP might be a bit overkill. As for preferred distros, Debian, Ubuntu, Fedora and Novell all have LTSP integrated in, and Gentoo's close, I think.
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| 22:15 | <dberkholz> been close for a while now =D
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| 22:16 | <sbalneav> Been waiting for it to compile
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| 22:16 | Oh, snap
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| 22:16 | <Brian_H> we already have ldap in place
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| 22:16 | <sbalneav> BET THAT JOKE NEVER GETS OLD HUH? :)
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| 22:17 | Brian_H: Then you just need to setup ldap on the host.
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| 22:17 | dberkholz: Any idea how close?
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| 22:18 | <johnny> it runs now..
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| 22:18 | been running
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| 22:18 | it's mostly just maintenance until we get a proper initramfs...
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| 22:18 | now that dracut is somewhat agnostic.. we're gonna use that
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| 22:19 | sbalneav, you have to manually add your nics to the initramfs builder
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| 22:19 | otherwise it works fine
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| 22:19 | <Brian_H> sbalneav: thanks for the assistance, I'm sure I'll have some more questions.
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| 22:19 | <sbalneav> johnny: There a webpage for getting LTSP up and running in gentoo?
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| 22:19 | !gentoo
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| 22:19 | <ltspbot> sbalneav: Error: "gentoo" is not a valid command.
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| 22:19 | <sbalneav> johnny: add it to the bot
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| 22:19 | <johnny> yes.. but it will be in proper gentoo doc format
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| 22:19 | knipwin is working on that
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| 22:20 | sbalneav, biggest problem was lack of a machine i can actually use gentoo on..
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| 22:20 | luckily knipwin is helping now..
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| 22:20 | <sbalneav> What machine do you need?
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| 22:20 | <johnny> something >2ghz and with more than 1GB ram
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| 22:21 | <Ryan52> johnny: would a distcc node help?
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| 22:21 | <johnny> not really
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| 22:21 | i just wish somebody would give me a vm :)
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| 22:21 | <Brian_H> for applications that I want to install, should I install them on the server or in the chroot ?
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| 22:21 | <johnny> server Brian_H
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| 22:21 | <Ryan52> Brian_H: the server.
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| 22:21 | <sbalneav> send me an email with some shipping info. I might have a spare at Legal Aid I could convince management to
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| 22:21 | ...donate...
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| 22:21 | <Brian_H> thanks guys
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| 22:21 | <johnny> sbalneav, i'd prefer not to physical have it..
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| 22:21 | physically*
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| 22:21 | <Ryan52> Brian_H: the users log into (via ssh) the server.
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| 22:22 | <sbalneav> Oh, you just want a colo somewhere?
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| 22:22 | <johnny> a vm and ssh..
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| 22:26 | hello Ryan52
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| 22:26 | <Ryan52> hi
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| 22:27 | <johnny> ejabberd has a stun server now..
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| 22:28 | it's gonna be fun to make voice/video calls with an open protocol that i'm familiar with..
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| 22:28 | <Brian_H> when a client logs into an LTSP server and pulseaudio is configured, and the client has a sound card, does the sound processing take place on the client or on the server
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| 22:29 | <Ryan52> Brian_H: what do you mean by "processing"? the sound should come out on the client.
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| 22:29 | * johnny is still waiting for his new glasses to come in | |
| 22:30 | <Brian_H> Ryan52: it does come out on the client, I'm just curious, I was trying to setup a voip application and was able to get it running, however the quality was poor
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| 22:30 | * Brian_H is new to LTSP and has been assigned the task of implementing it :) | |
| 22:30 | <johnny> running it locally is gonna give you the best performance
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| 22:30 | <Ryan52> the voip app runs on the server, but talks to the pulseaudio on the client.
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| 22:30 | <johnny> if your clients have the horsepower to handle it
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| 22:30 | <Ryan52> so ya, it might be slow.
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| 22:31 | but ya, try localapps.
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| 22:31 | <Brian_H> ok my clients will have the horse power to handle it, and this can be set via local_apps and local_apps_menu_items
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| 22:31 | <johnny> yes
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| 23:09 | <Brian_H> on my ubuntu 9.10 install of LTSP I am getting an error on the client: "user switch" has quit unexpectedly, this is a new user account on the system... I can't find anythign on google about it, does anyone have any insight?
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| 23:14 | <sbalneav> 9.10? That's karmic. still being worked on. Probably a bug in the fast user switcher app.
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| 23:15 | <johnny> ah sweet. more gentoo work has gone into dracut.. this is exciting..
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| 23:16 | <dberkholz> good, something happened despite the lack of gsoc student
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| 23:16 | mildly relevant to here, gentoo now has packagekit support
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| 23:16 | <johnny> hm???
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| 23:16 | how so?
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| 23:16 | i thought that was impossible
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| 23:16 | <dberkholz> nah. portage has an api
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| 23:17 | <johnny> so.. what about error cases?
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| 23:17 | dberkholz, dsd himself had actually committed stuff to dracut..
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| 23:18 | now.. .. if only somebody we could drop the entire initramfs stuff from genkernel..
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| 23:18 | i could never convince those guys to do useful stuff :(
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| 23:19 | <dberkholz> convincing is never a good route in open source
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| 23:20 | <johnny> convincing them to integrate an existing patch?
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| 23:20 | <dberkholz> if the patch doesn't fit the direction / design etc..
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| 23:20 | <johnny> they weren't sure what they wanted yet..
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| 23:20 | either way.. the whole thing with the module loading was bad news anyways..
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| 23:21 | the dracut approach makes waaay more sense
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| 23:22 | <johnny> i want to buy harald hoyer a beer
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| 23:24 | <Brian_H> If I set local_apps=true does that run all apps as local or only the ones I specify in local_apps_menu_items? I really only want to run, say kphone as a local app
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| 23:24 | <johnny> only stuff executed as ltsp-localapps does
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| 23:24 | and those specified in the menu ..
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| 23:24 | which is what that option does..
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| 23:25 | makes them execute through ltsp-localapps
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| 23:25 | <Brian_H> ok so if I set local_apps=true and local_apps_menu_items=kphone I should be good ?
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| 23:25 | <johnny> i think so..
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| 23:25 | <Brian_H> btw thanks for helping me out :)
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| 23:25 | <johnny> i've never personally used local apps
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| 23:25 | <vagrantc> Brian_H: you probably just need LOCAL_APPS_MENU=true and LOCAL_APPS_MENU_ITEMS=kphone
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| 23:26 | LOCAL_APPS probably defaults to true.
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| 23:26 | <johnny> ah.. yes
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| 23:26 | methinks vagrantc has the correct of it
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| 23:26 | <Brian_H> yea according to the doc it does
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| 23:29 | <johnny> my picture is going to be in a magazine..
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| 23:30 | <Brian_H> sweet which one?
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| 23:30 | <johnny> along with 13 of my fellow owners.. :)
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| 23:30 | baltimore magazine
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| 23:30 | not national.. but still neat
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| 23:30 | i think we're going to be on the cover
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| 23:32 | <Brian_H> thats awesome
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| 23:32 | so another question, do I install apps I want to run locally under the chroot or the server ?
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| 23:34 | <johnny> should run from the serve
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| 23:34 | server*
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| 23:34 | or rather.. should be gotten from the server, we use sshfs for that
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| 23:35 | sshfs === awesome
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| 23:36 | <Brian_H> :)
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| 23:36 | <vagrantc> huh?!
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| 23:36 | local apps need to be installed in the chroot.
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| 23:36 | <sbalneav> sshfs, and by extention fuse, is the coolest thing to come along in linux-land in the last 10 years. I think, anyway
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| 23:37 | <vagrantc> sshfs is just used to mount the home directory
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| 23:38 | <johnny> oh:(
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| 23:38 | i thought it got the apps too
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| 23:38 | didn't look at the code closely enough
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| 23:38 | seems like it should be able to tho?
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| 23:38 | <vagrantc> johnny: that would be tricky to pull in all the dependencies
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| 23:39 | <johnny> you're probably right :(
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| 23:39 | <vagrantc> you'd have to implement a package manager over sshfs...
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| 23:39 | <dberkholz> at least a dependency tracker for binaries and various interpreted languages
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| 23:39 | clearly the right approach, then, is to use static binaries
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| 23:39 | <johnny> sorry Brian_H i'll be quiet.. vagrantc has actually done more work in that regard than i have..
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| 23:39 | lol
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| 23:39 | with the new libpurple transport.. we're going to have to statically link gloox :(
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| 23:40 | since the maintainer won't be back home for quite some time..
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| 23:40 | hopefully when he returns.. we'll be able to do the right thing..
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| 23:40 | dberkholz, btw.. that is one of the things i've been up to.. the new xmpp transport
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| 23:41 | not much code writing from me on the C++ side.. which it is written in.. but i'll be doing the web interface..
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| 23:42 | <dberkholz> mm
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| 23:42 | i need to work on a paper now
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| 23:42 | <johnny> of course you do
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| 23:42 | * dberkholz hunkers down and closes all distractions | |
| 23:42 | <johnny> you always need to work on a paper :)
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| 23:42 | <dberkholz> that's science
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| 23:42 | <johnny> that's for nerds
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| 23:42 | <dberkholz> yep.
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| 23:43 | saving the world one paper at a time.
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| 23:43 | <johnny> NERD!
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| 23:45 | <Brian_H> good night, thanks for all the help everyone, I'm sure I'll be back :p
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| 23:45 | <alkisg> Good morning
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| 23:47 | <johnny> good night
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| 23:47 | hehe
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