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Channel log from 18 November 2007 (all times are UTC)
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| 03:14 | <mistik1> !seem PMantis
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| 03:14 | <ltspbot> mistik1: Error: "seem" is not a valid command.
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| 03:14 | <mistik1> !seen PMantis
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| 03:14 | <ltspbot> mistik1: PMantis was last seen in #ltsp 2 weeks, 3 days, 7 hours, 19 minutes, and 15 seconds ago: <PMantis> That's *really* slick to mount the thin client with the monitor.
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| 07:34 | <cliebow> jammcq: anyone short their bts2005 pullover??i seem to have an extra large that is not mine...
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| 08:05 | <Nubae> anyone here tried modifying the themes for ldm¿
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| 08:05 | ?
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| 10:35 | <oXkR4> hola alguien habla Castellano
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| 10:38 | <Drakeweb> does anyone know if Wyse terminals can be configured to work on LTSP?
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| 10:56 | <oXkR4> alguien habla español que me pueda ayudar para cambiar el tamaño de la pantalla de las terminales
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| 11:39 | <joe_> Need help Ubuntu 7.10 - Client won't boot
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| 11:40 | DHCP seems to work but client hangs trying to load nbi.img
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| 11:41 | Would like to configure dhcpd with hardware address but not sure which root filename to use
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| 11:43 | <ace_suares> !seen ogra
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| 11:43 | <ltspbot> ace_suares: ogra was last seen in #ltsp 1 day, 0 hours, 10 minutes, and 4 seconds ago: <ogra> warren, why not just take ltsp-update-kernels as its in the ltsp code for now ... (and adjust it for fedora)
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| 11:44 | <ace_suares> !seen riched
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| 11:44 | <ltspbot> ace_suares: riched was last seen in #ltsp 27 weeks, 3 days, 0 hours, 40 minutes, and 13 seconds ago: <RichEd> ??
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| 12:20 | <Drakewe1> if so, what hardware works well with ltsp5?
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| 12:20 | <vagrantc> whatever hardware works with the host distro
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| 12:21 | <Drakewe1> I'm trying to pick up a couple of thin clients, and have struck out with n2200s and a thintune so far. Neither will boot PXE or connect properly, so I'm looking for recommendations ...
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| 13:49 | <Nubae> I'm guessing there's noone around on a Sunday...
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| 13:49 | <vagrantc> Nubae: re-install ldm ?
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| 13:50 | <vagrantc> Nubae: i mean, switch back to the default themes
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| 13:52 | <Nubae> maybe thats related...
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| 13:53 | I followed this howto: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EdubuntuFAQ
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| 13:54 | its weird, since inside the themes there doesnt seem to be any authentication stuff
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| 13:55 | <vagrantc> Nubae: sounds like authentication is working, if new error messages are showing up in ~/.xsession-errors
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| 13:55 | <Nubae> does vnc get used at all for the session creation? Because everything I've read on the net talks about vnc relating to that the errors I'm getting
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| 13:55 | <vagrantc> not by default
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| 13:56 | <Nubae> yeah authentication is working, I can see that from the logs...
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| 13:56 | xrdb: Can't open display '192.168.0.3:6'
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| 13:56 | I'm getting that after the connection refused
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| 13:56 | maybe has to do with encryption?
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| 13:56 | <vagrantc> what's in your lts.conf ?
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| 13:57 | !pastebot
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| 13:57 | <ltspbot> vagrantc: "pastebot" is The LTSP pastebot is at http://pastebot.ltsp.org. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebot, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. A link to the content will be pasted in the channel.
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| 13:58 | <ltsppbot> "Nubae" pasted "lts.conf" (10 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/366
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| 13:59 | <vagrantc> not need to specify LOCAL_STORAGE if you specify LOCALDEV ... but that's not really your problem
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| 13:59 | <Nubae> the thing is I modified something in order to get local usb working, and I remember it had to do with changing from display 11 (being encryption) to 6
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| 13:59 | <vagrantc> Nubae: can you try with LDM_DIRECTX=False
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| 13:59 | <Nubae> was the env setting I believe
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| 14:00 | anyway, I'll try disabling directx first
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| 14:00 | <vagrantc> Nubae: you modified "something" to get local usb working ... any idea what exactly you modified? :)
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| 14:00 | <Nubae> hehe, yeah, let me take a look
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| 14:04 | <Nubae> env['DISPLAY'] = 'localhost:10.0' was commented out in ltspfsmounter
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| 14:06 | <vagrantc> ah, right.
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| 14:06 | <Nubae> would that effect it?
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| 14:07 | <vagrantc> well, a bug was reported with that particular issue ... i *think* that line should be commented out, but i haven't been able to confirm it for myself.
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| 14:08 | <Nubae> well disabling directx causes even quicker logout of the session
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| 14:08 | <vagrantc> hmmm... anything new in ~/.xsession-errors ?
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| 14:08 | <Nubae> _X11TransSocketINETConnect() can't get address for localhost:6013: Name or service not known
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| 14:08 | xrdb: Invalid argument
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| 14:08 | xrdb: Can't open display 'localhost:13.0'
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| 14:09 | <Joe90> vagrantc : I checked using grep filename /etc/*/dhcpd.conf and got the two options configured which are filename "/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.0"; and filename "/ltsp/i386/nbi.img"; Client trys to load nbi.img, but nothing happens. any ideas
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| 14:09 | <Nubae> at least its different :-)
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| 14:09 | <vagrantc> Joe90: is your client using etherboot or pxe ?
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| 14:10 | <Joe90> I created a floppy for this box years ago so I can't really say. It usually takes the non-pxe option, namely nbi.img??
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| 14:10 | <vagrantc> right
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| 14:11 | Joe90: try a new floppy ?
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| 14:11 | Joe90: it was probably an etherboot floppy
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| 14:11 | !bootfloppy
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| 14:11 | <ltspbot> vagrantc: "bootfloppy" is http://etherboot.anadex.de or ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/Universal_boot_floppy
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| 14:11 | <vagrantc> those are two simple ones
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| 14:12 | or http://rom-o-matic.net
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| 14:12 | <Nubae> vagrantc: what makes me think this is related to the themes is that I have 2 chroots... the one that didnt have the themes modified had no login problems, whereas the other one did
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| 14:12 | <vagrantc> Nubae: what did you change in your themes?
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| 14:13 | <Nubae> just the bg.png image
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| 14:13 | <Joe90> I originally used rom-o-matic, but what could be the issue with the floppy, it gets as far as the dhcpd conf , but no further?
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| 14:14 | <vagrantc> Joe90: well, i guess i'm not clear ... does it boot anything?
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| 14:15 | Joe90: there are two points where it makes a dhcp request ... first from etherboot, and later from within linux
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| 14:15 | <Nubae> I noticed, however, that originally chroot:/etc/alternatives/ldm-theme was soft linked to the default theme under ldm/themes
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| 14:15 | <vagrantc> Joe90: so, does it download a kernel and boot to the second part, or does it fail at etherboot ?
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| 14:15 | <Nubae> maybe there is something in there that does something special?
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| 14:15 | <vagrantc> Nubae: it's just a symlink management system
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| 14:15 | Nubae: it's better to use update-alternatives than symlinking manually ... but effectively that wouldn't really cause an issue
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| 14:16 | Nubae: if your theme is coming up, your theme is "working"
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| 14:16 | <Nubae> yeah... so what could possibly cause this?
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| 14:16 | <vagrantc> even if your theme is breaking something else...
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| 14:17 | Nubae: you're using ubuntu ?
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| 14:17 | <Nubae> yeah, edubuntu
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| 14:17 | <vagrantc> which release? gutsy?
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| 14:17 | <Nubae> yeah
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| 14:17 | <Joe90> vagrantc : It makes a DHCP request to the server, gets an ACK, tells me its "Loading [Server address]: /ltsp/i386/nbi.img" and sits there quietly doing nothing. (Well loudly actually)
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| 14:18 | <vagrantc> Joe90: loudly as in ... ?
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| 14:19 | fans whirring, or what?
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| 14:19 | Joe90: gutsy (and maybe feisty) switched what generates the nbi.img ... you might need to upgrade your etherboot floppy to a newer version.
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| 14:20 | <Joe90> Yep. Fan is cranking away,
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| 14:20 | I will have to try a boot CD, any good links in that case?
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| 14:21 | <vagrantc> if you're currently booting from floppy, can you just make a new floppy ?
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| 14:22 | in any case, all of the above posted URLs should have options to boot from CD, i think
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| 14:23 | <Joe90> My current server doesn't have a floppy drive and the client takes an hour to get any kind of distro started. Will try CD I think, thanks
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| 14:24 | <Nubae> any ideas where to look for me? :-(
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| 14:25 | <vagrantc> Nubae: i would try getting it working without a modified chroot
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| 14:25 | Nubae: get the defaults working, and then change one thing at a time, so you know what change actually breaks it
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| 14:26 | <Nubae> Number of uids 3
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| 14:26 | root (0)
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| 14:26 | vncuser (1047)
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| 14:26 | sysadmin (1000)
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| 14:26 | Number of gids 1
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| 14:26 | vncuser (1007)
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| 14:26 | sorry... a bit of a spam...
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| 14:26 | thats my post-image message
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| 14:27 | does that look normal to you?
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| 14:27 | <vagrantc> looks like typical mksquashfs output ...
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| 14:27 | wait a minute ... what's this vncuser thing ?
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| 14:27 | <Nubae> exactly
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| 14:28 | <vagrantc> you have vnc packages in the chroot ?
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| 14:28 | <Nubae> hmmm, I dont believe so no
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| 14:29 | I'll try building the other chroot and compare output
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| 14:29 | <vagrantc> does the flteachertool (or whatever it was called) depend on vnc stuff?
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| 14:30 | <ltsppbot> "Nubae" pasted "squashfs output" (20 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/367
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| 14:30 | <Nubae> quite different
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| 14:30 | yeah it does, heavily
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| 14:30 | <vagrantc> yeah, that looks more normal
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| 14:31 | Nubae: that paste was from an unmodified chroot ?
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| 14:31 | <Nubae> hmmm.... no, from my other chroot
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| 14:31 | but... I have backups of both
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| 14:31 | for just such an occassion :-)
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| 14:31 | <vagrantc> heh
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| 14:31 | well, you're wiser than many
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| 14:32 | i'd suggest reverting to a working chroot and seeing if that fixes anything
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| 14:33 | Nubae: you installed flteachertool on the server, or in the chroot ?
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| 14:33 | <Nubae> on the server
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| 14:34 | but it seems to have messed things up quite a bit... I didnt know sessions depended on vnc
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| 14:34 | anyway I'm reverting to a backup and hopefully wont need to change too much in the backed up chroot.... if that even works...
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| 14:36 | <vagrantc> if the vnc stuff dropped some things in /etc/X11/Xsession.d it might mess things up ...
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| 14:40 | <Nubae> I changed /etc/rc.local in the chroot
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| 14:40 | do u think that could do anything?
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| 14:41 | <vagrantc> depends on how you changed it :P
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| 14:41 | if it couldn't do anything, why would you bother to change it? :)
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| 14:42 | <Joe90> vagrantc: no change with new CD and latest boot rom. As an aside, can I restart dhcpd without shutting down, if so How? tks
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| 14:43 | <vagrantc> Joe90: invoke-rc.d dhcp3-server restart
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| 14:43 | <Nubae> well, the backed up chroot is looping even before getting to ldm
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| 14:44 | so its not in the chroot its somewhere else... this is looking bad
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| 14:45 | <vagrantc> Nubae: it's not even booting anymore ?
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| 14:45 | Nubae: where is it "looping" ?
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| 14:45 | <Nubae> nope, gets stuck at ip-config
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| 14:45 | well, I took out directx=false and switched back to true...
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| 14:45 | oh... now its going again
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| 14:45 | <vagrantc> no, that's well before lts.conf gets read
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| 14:46 | <Joe90> command failed, client now complaining about no IP Address, maybe a quick shut down would be better???
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| 14:46 | <Nubae> nope... now its stuck and wont even load display manager
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| 14:46 | <vagrantc> Nubae: where is it stuck ?
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| 14:46 | <Nubae> right before it loads the display manager
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| 14:47 | I get a message saying the display server has been shut down about 6 times in the last 90 seconds
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| 14:47 | it is likely something bad is going on.
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| 14:47 | <vagrantc> sounds like your X server didn't get properly configured
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| 14:48 | Joe90: if restarting dhcp manually fails, rebooting probably will not fix it ... look in /var/log/syslog to see why it failed
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| 14:48 | <Joe90> How do I get out of this channel in a nice way?
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| 14:48 | <Nubae> nah... cause I see the small ubuntu hourglass thingie
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| 14:48 | for about a millisecond
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| 14:48 | <vagrantc> Nubae: is gdm installed in the chroot?
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| 14:48 | <Nubae> shouldnt be
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| 14:49 | <vagrantc> just checking
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| 14:49 | <Nubae> oops... it is
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| 14:49 | <vagrantc> well, i'm not so familiar with ubuntu's LTSP ... i mostly work on debian, which is similar, but there are enough differences that i can only help so much
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| 14:50 | Nubae: sounds like your chroot contains lots of modifications ... i would start with a clean chroot, modify things one at a time, and start over :)
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| 14:50 | <Joe90> vagrantc: may be something to do with the second NIC (wireless) ? Anyway, reboot, back later
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| 14:50 | <Nubae> I'm not so sure its the chroot though, I'll go to the other backup and see if thats different
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| 14:51 | <vagrantc> i'm not sure either ...
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| 14:51 | there's the chroot, in /opt/ltsp/ARCH, and the images, in /opt/ltsp/images/ARCH.img ... so they coculd easily get out of sync.
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| 14:51 | <Nubae> well, thanks for your help...
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| 14:52 | <vagrantc> Nubae: you could mount the image with something like: mount -t squashfs -o loop /opt/ltsp/images/ARCH.img /mnt
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| 14:52 | <Nubae> well, I always build the images after any changes
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| 14:52 | how would that help me?
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| 14:55 | <Nubae> Nov 18 21:55:46 mayfairacademy kernel: [12625.870097] martian source 192.168.1.1 from 192.168.1.18, on dev eth0 - I'm getting this in my logs
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| 14:56 | * vagrantc loves martian source errors | |
| 14:56 | <Nubae> what does that mean?
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| 14:56 | <Nubae> Nov 18 21:56:52 mayfairacademy kernel: [12692.143276] ll header: ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:00:1a:92:43:06:f1:08:06
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| 14:58 | <Joe90> vagrantc: back to where I started, even from CD "Loading [Server address]: /ltsp/i386/nbi.img" and then nothing. So I think I can exclude the bootrom from the [endless] list of potential problems
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| 14:59 | <Nubae> joe90, check your /etc/inetd.conf
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| 14:59 | make sure the image is loading on the right port
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| 15:00 | Nov 18 22:00:01 mayfairacademy CRON[4002]: pam_unix(cron:session): session opened for user www-data by (uid=0)
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| 15:00 | Nov 18 22:00:01 mayfairacademy CRON[4004]: pam_unix(cron:session): session opened for user root by (uid=0)
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| 15:01 | I get that follwed by the same session closed by both users... this is getting very weird...
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| 15:04 | <Joe90> Nubae: What am i looking for?
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| 15:05 | <Nubae> should be a line that shows which img is being loaded
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| 15:05 | <vagrantc> Joe90: you want to make sure tftp is running
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| 15:05 | Nubae: no, Joe90 isn't even getting that far
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| 15:05 | <Nubae> oh
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| 15:05 | <vagrantc> still doesn't appear to even get the kernel booting ...
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| 15:06 | <Nubae> what about my martians :-) whats that about?
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| 15:07 | <vagrantc> i don't remember. i think it's a sign that martians are coming.
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| 15:07 | linux has way better martian detection than many other OSes
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| 15:09 | <Joe90> vagrantc: How to check tftp?
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| 15:09 | <Nubae> weird thing is 192.168.1.18 doesnt exist
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| 15:10 | <vagrantc> Joe90: install a tftp client ... apt-get install tftp-hpa
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| 15:10 | tftp localhost
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| 15:10 | then, at the tftp prompt
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| 15:10 | get /ltsp/i386/nbi.img
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| 15:11 | see if that gives you any errors
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| 15:14 | <Joe90> vagrantc: no errors!
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| 15:14 | <Nubae> could all this be happening due to dns?
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| 15:14 | <vagrantc> Joe90: do you have a firewall running on your server?
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| 15:15 | <Joe90> no
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| 15:15 | <vagrantc> Nubae: don't know what dns would cause
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| 15:15 | <Nubae> i modified nsswitch.conf
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| 15:16 | my hosts line looks like this: files dns mdns4
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| 15:16 | * vagrantc recites the "install a standard system" mantra one last time | |
| 15:16 | <Nubae> yeah, I was actaully trying to fix dns errors...
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| 16:07 | <Nubae> damn damn damn... cant ping localhost and I have no idea why
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| 21:55 | <daya> vagrantc, Hi
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| 21:56 | vagrantc, could you please test whole step according to the readme file for sound once again,
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| 21:56 | vagrantc, If you have time,
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| 21:56 | vagrantc, I have done it for many times, but always in vain,
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| 22:14 | <vagrantc> daya: i can't test it till the middle of december
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| 22:14 | <daya> vagrantc, oh,
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| 22:15 | vagrantc, I think sth is missing in documentation,
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| 22:15 | <vagrantc> "sth" ?
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| 22:16 | <daya> vagrantc, sth > something important
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| 22:16 | part
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| 22:16 | <vagrantc> ah
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| 22:16 | it's possible.
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| 22:16 | i was pretty sure i wrote the documentation and walked through it several times.
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| 22:16 | but who knows
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| 22:17 | <daya> vagrantc, oh, I have followed these also several times, It may be that I have done some mistakes in my configuration,
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| 22:18 | <vagrantc> daya: how many different thin clients have you tried?
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| 22:19 | <daya> vagrantc, I have tried for 3 different clients,
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