IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.libera.chat (webchat)
Channel log from 16 November 2011 (all times are UTC)
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| 01:13 | <sbalneav> Evening all
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| 02:51 | <lifeboy> Hi all, I've been pushing today/night to finally get this done and I cannot get the r6040 module to load and be in the initrd.img. I have posted a detailed explaination at http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=11460879#post11460879, so if any of you feel inclined to assist me further, I would be really eternally grateful... :-)
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| 06:13 | <pingufan> Good morning. I found somewhere a description for a feature in LDM to delay an automatic login. I understand it in this way, that the login screen on the client is shown for that time and the user is able to choose i.e. a local shutdown instead. Can someone, please, tell me how this feature is named and where a description is?
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| 06:15 | What I actually want is: The user name/password shall be fixed (non-editable), so I can protect the clients against using the same login on several machines, but the client shall be able to do a correct shutdown. With Autologin, the client immediately re-connects when I log out from the KDE session.
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| 06:16 | I am afraid that it is not good to simply do a forced power-down of the clients when they are inside an active KDE session.
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| 06:52 | <alkisg> pingufan: you can just provide a way for your clients to login from withing the user session
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| 06:52 | ***to shudown...
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| 06:53 | <cyberorg> pingufan, already told you to use ltsp-client-shutdown from main-menu
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| 06:54 | <pingufan> I did not find that. where is it?
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| 06:54 | You don't mean the normal KDE-Shutdown, no?
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| 06:55 | (on the client)
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| 06:57 | alkisg: More details, please.
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| 06:58 | <cyberorg> pingufan, http://cyberorg.co.in/~cyberorg/ltsp-shutdown.png
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| 06:58 | <pingufan> cyberorg: Does the client's KDE session show this feature? Then it is well hidden.
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| 06:59 | Where is that located in "old menu style" of KDE ?
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| 06:59 | <alkisg> !learn endsession as Epoptes contains a script that can reboot/shutdown LTSP clients from within the user session: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~epoptes/epoptes/trunk/view/head:/epoptes-client/endsession
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| 06:59 | <ltsp> alkisg: The operation succeeded.
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| 07:00 | <alkisg> pingufan: here's the utility, it works on lxde, kde, gnome, xfce etc
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| 07:00 | You just make a menu or desktop launcher for that
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| 07:02 | <pingufan> Normally I would expect that the KDE menu is modified for the clients, so that the normal KDE system shutdown calls this local shutdown. Instead, it only does not work at all (and thankfully does not shutdown the server)
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| 07:03 | <alkisg> I don't know if anyone contacted the KDE team, but LXDE accepted an ltsp-specific patch
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| 07:03 | <alkisg> But Ubuntu didn't, for gnome-session: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-session/+bug/491940
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| 07:04 | That's what we're using here, so we reboot/shutdown from the gnome menu normally ^
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| 07:05 | cyberorg: if you or anyone else is interested in packaging www.epoptes.org for opensuse, we're more than glad to help
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| 07:06 | <pingufan> I see. Do I have to edit the KDE menu for every particular user then?
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| 07:06 | <cyberorg> alkisg, i will be happy to do it, soon, working on 12.1 Edu release at the moment so may be take it up in a couple of days
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| 07:06 | <alkisg> np
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| 07:07 | pingufan: I've no idea if KDE supports system-wide menu configuration, I imagine it does. Ask in #kde?
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| 07:08 | <pingufan> I'll do that. What is the actual command for shutting down the client?
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| 07:08 | <alkisg> See the script I linked above, it should be very readable
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| 07:15 | <pingufan> I read it. I am only not familiar with KDE internals. I see that xprop is used to set a LTSP action, then a logout is done. So actually everything is controlled through dbus-send commands?
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| 07:15 | <alkisg> Yes, dbus is used for logout
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| 07:17 | Except for LXDE, it doesn't provide a dbus function for that, so we're just killing the lxsession pid, as it was suggested by the lxde developers
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| 07:17 | <pingufan> Please, help me understanding do_shutdown(). It should never come to the part # KDE right?
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| 07:19 | <alkisg> pingufan: why don't you put the endsession script in /usr/local/bin, and just call it?
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| 07:19 | Why do you need to understand its source?
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| 07:20 | Then instead of writing all these commands, you just call endsession --reboot
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| 07:20 | And if we support more DEs, you get support for those too
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| 07:20 | <pingufan> I put it in the server's /usr/local/bin?
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| 07:20 | <alkisg> Yes
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| 07:22 | <pingufan> I have my difficulties with understanding how this ltsp works.
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| 07:22 | But ok, I do that.
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| 07:27 | alkisg: can this script replace entirely KDE's shutdown, locally (on console) and on clients? In this case I will try to find a way to replace KDE's Shutdown-button with it.
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| 07:36 | <alkisg> pingufan: the kde shutdown button most probably uses dbus, so you can't override it from the filesystem
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| 07:36 | You'd need to develop a kde-session patch similar to the gnome-session patch above. That would require some C knowledge.
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| 07:37 | Or, just file a bug against kde-session, maybe they're interested in developing this for you
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| 07:37 | (and all other ltsp users)
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| 07:39 | <pingufan> I'm currently trying to find out how to simply add a new menu item into KDE (central menu) for calling your script. Seems to be the easiest way then.
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| 13:40 | <Matrix3000> alkisg: on epoptes, having issues with monitoring a users session
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| 13:41 | here's a video
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| 13:43 | http://screencast.com/t/rsm8f7wzTIIx
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| 13:47 | <mgariepy> good morning everyone
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| 13:49 | <andygraybeal> heya matrix3000, mgariepy ;))
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| 14:06 | <jason00> hello!
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| 14:52 | <Matrix3000> sup andy and jason
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| 14:53 | <andygraybeal> nada mk3, forgot to mount a tape last night; just mounted it this morning. i'm installing zentyal2.2 to play with, and doing a restore of our website because some data got over-written and forgot about till two months after.
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| 14:53 | <sbalneav> Morning all
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| 14:53 | <andygraybeal> heya scotty
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| 14:55 | i got the landlord here, he's gonna help me figure out a better ventalation system for my data cabinet... and i gotta run down to the offsite warehouse and talk to the landlord there to see if they will get me to monitor their UPS running their modem that i'll be connected to.
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| 14:55 | oh and talk him into giving me a static ip address
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| 15:00 | <Matrix3000> sbalneav, did you see the video of my glitch in epoptes
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| 15:00 | http://screencast.com/t/rsm8f7wzTIIx
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| 15:04 | <sbalneav> Matrix3000: No, you'd probably want to show alkis and not myself
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| 15:15 | <Matrix3000> aight
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| 15:15 | now one of these days when alkis decides to read the chat
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| 15:15 | lol
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| 15:16 | btw, my real name is Eric
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| 15:16 | <andygraybeal> matriceric :)
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| 15:17 | i've been happy calling you m3k .. makes me think of mkultra
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| 15:17 | <Matrix3000> ha
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| 15:17 | Eric Anderson
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| 15:17 | now you know why people call me matrix
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| 15:18 | i had to live with being called "Mr. Anderson" by everyone since that movie came out
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| 15:18 | i mean its true, but they do it in that same tone that Agent Smith used
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| 15:18 | cause they think its funny
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| 15:19 | <andygraybeal> hehehhe
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| 15:19 | eric matrix anderson :)
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| 15:20 | <Matrix3000> i should legally change my name to that
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| 15:21 | haha
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| 15:23 | <sbalneav> gettin close to 30 years ago, I was assigned the userid 'sbalneav' in Grade 10 on my first unix system for my name: Scott Balneaves. It's the only userid I've ever had since.
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| 15:24 | Crumb. I've plugged an extra monitor into my laptop and now unity-2d's hopelessly broken.
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| 15:24 | can't alt-tab, launcher doesn't bring things forward.
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| 15:25 | What the heck am I going to put in front of my users 12-04? Can't be unity.
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| 15:32 | <sbalneav> bbiab
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| 15:44 | <Matrix3000> well eanderson is a very common username in the world
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| 15:44 | makes it extremely difficult to use almost any variation of eanderson unless it is a small company or I own the site that the name is used
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| 16:01 | * khildin is away: I'm busy, or afk, or..... just don't disturb ok.... :P | |
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| 16:19 | <Matrix3000> um the default, just do the unity gnome replacement
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| 16:19 | and use gnome
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| 16:19 | install the package on the server and the chroot
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| 16:20 | im actually going to try and force my peeps to use unity
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| 16:22 | <andygraybeal> yea, what is it called - 'gnome-shell-fallback' ?
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| 16:26 | <Matrix3000> yes i believe
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| 16:27 | should we document that or mention it in ubuntu ltsp wiki?
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| 16:27 | because it will be extremely common to ltsp users
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| 16:41 | <mgariepy> xfce4 would be great too i think.
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| 16:52 | <sbalneav> ....aaaaand back
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| 17:18 | <sbalneav> stgraber: ping
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| 17:29 | <andygraybeal> xfce ... yes did you read the dev drama that linus torvalds himself is fed up with gnome.. for xfce .. april 2011
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| 17:29 | er august i mean
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| 17:29 | <-- need glasses
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| 17:53 | <sbalneav> yeah, I've just loaded it here.
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| 17:58 | <stgraber> sbalneav: pong
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| 18:07 | <sbalneav> stgraber: What's your december looking like? Could we set aside a day or two to experiment with pam_sshauth + lightdm?
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| 18:07 | back in a sec; getting lunch
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| 18:09 | <stgraber> sbalneav: December doesn't look too bad for now, I'll be in Switzerland most of it and on vacation from the 21st to the 2nd of January, so can definitely find some time to play with pam_sshauth/nss_sshsock/lightdm
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| 18:41 | <sbalneav> stgraber: cool
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| 18:41 | I'll keep an eye out for you
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| 18:41 | On the channel. My eye-stalks don't reach as far as Switzerland
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| 18:43 | <stgraber> heh
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| 19:16 | <TheProf> Good afternoon. I have a question about shared folders. I'm looking for a way to create a shared folder for the teacher's report cards so they can all edit them together. I've searched online but I'm still a bit confused.
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| 19:17 | I created a folder and used chmod -R 2770 . in order to set it to group permissions "teacher"
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| 19:17 | and all the teachers can write into the folder.
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| 19:17 | But no teacher can edit any other teacher's documents.
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| 19:18 | So I'm not sure what I am missing in order to get all teachers to read and write any documents any of them create within that folder?
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| 19:25 | <khildin> TheProf - did you chmod the dirs to that or the files in it?
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| 19:25 | <TheProf> khildin, There were no files when I ran the command. Just a bunch of subdirectories to the main one
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| 19:26 | <khildin> I would set the dirs to 2770 and the files to 0660. don't forget to set umask to 0002
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| 19:26 | <TheProf> I then created a file inside a subfolder as a test.
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| 19:26 | <sbalneav> You'll need to change all the document's groups to teacher.
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| 19:26 | chgrp -R teacher .
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| 19:26 | <TheProf> khildin, OK the part of setting the directories to 2770 I believe I did with chmod -R 2770. Not sure about the file part.
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| 19:27 | sbalneav, If there are no documents how can they be changed?
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| 19:27 | <sbalneav> If there are no documents how do you know they can't edit them? :)
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| 19:27 | Can you cut and paste an ls -l of the directory?
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| 19:28 | <TheProf> sbalneav, I got a teacher to create one as a test. I'm worried people will be creating on the fly and I hadn't changed their permissions at that time.
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| 19:28 | sbalneav, sure I will paste it in now.
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| 19:31 | <TheProf> http://pastebin.com/tnFkNFdR
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| 19:31 | <khildin> something like: sudo find /path/to/folder -type d -exec chmod 2770 {} \; for the directories, sudo find /path/to/dir -type f -exec chmod 0660 {} \; for files and umask 0002 set in /etc/profile should work
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| 19:32 | <TheProf> khildin, erm...wow? :)
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| 19:34 | khildin, I see how that works for existing folders and files - but if throughout the week teachers are creating and deleting files, would I need to run that command for the files on some sort of Cron schedule?
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| 19:35 | <khildin> once set it will be set for new files and dirs too
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| 19:35 | just to be sure: that's for an ubuntu server... ;)
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| 19:40 | <TheProf> khildin, yes - Edubuntu 10.04
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| 19:40 | <khildin> ok
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| 19:40 | <sbalneav> have you tried creating a file in that folder?
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| 19:41 | <TheProf> Yes - I created one inside grade 6. Looking at the permissions the owner has full read/write but the other members of the group have 'read' only on the file.
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| 19:42 | <khildin> you did set the umask right?
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| 19:43 | <sbalneav> what's your umask set to?
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| 19:43 | <TheProf> sbalneav, ls -l for that file gives you: -rw-r--r-- 1 teachername teachers 133632 Nov 16 14:13 Elem.DM.RPT. CRD.2011.doc
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| 19:43 | <khildin> ^^
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| 19:43 | <sbalneav> ah
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| 19:43 | you'll need to set the default umask to 0007
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| 19:44 | <TheProf> when I was reading a bit online about umask I wasn't very clear and didn't want to screw up everything by playing with it without asking here first. :)
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| 19:44 | OK so everyone's default umask should be 0007?
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| 19:44 | just for this folder or for everything?
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| 19:44 | <khildin> you're right... should be 0007
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| 19:45 | <sbalneav> For everyone.
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| 19:45 | if it's 0007, files created will, by default be:
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| 19:46 | rw owner
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| 19:46 | rw group
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| 19:46 | no permissions other
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| 19:47 | <khildin> 0007 because you do NOT want the rest of the world even list or read access... :)
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| 19:47 | <TheProf> OK I see. So within their own home folder it is fine that it's RW group because the rest of the group doesn't access /home/teacher but in a shared folder it works out that they all can RW each other, correct?
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| 19:48 | <khildin> that's the idea
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| 19:48 | <TheProf> I got it thanks.
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| 19:50 | <khildin> i had more or less the same issue once for writeaccess to /var/www for multiple users.... I worked that out using those commands
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| 19:51 | <TheProf> OK very cool. So I've changed the line in /etc/profiles from umask 022 to umask 007 and saved it.
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| 19:51 | <khildin> but 'rest of the world' DID need readaccess for that (obviously)
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| 19:51 | <TheProf> Just need everyone to log in and out again and it should be good!
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| 19:51 | <khildin> 0007!
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| 19:51 | need another 0
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| 19:51 | <Matrix3000> ltsp-remoteapps epoptes right guys
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| 19:53 | <TheProf> khildin, sorry I had written the 3 zeros
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| 19:53 | <khildin> then you should be set good...
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| 19:55 | you probably know your 'umasks' but just for refference: http://forums.techarena.in/operating-systems/1331026.htm
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| 19:55 | <TheProf> khildin, sbalneav thanks very much!
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| 19:55 | I will try it out now.
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| 19:56 | <khildin> dunno if you need to log of and log in again to make those settings active.... I think I read something like that somewhere
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| 19:57 | <TheProf> I read that also.
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| 20:12 | <Matrix3000> how do i find my ltsp version
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| 20:12 | or at least put myself on the non official ubuntu repo
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| 20:12 | <TheProf> OK so it didn't seem to work properly. I modified /etc/profile to say umask 0007 on the last line.
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| 20:13 | then I had a teacher log out, back in, and create a file. But the other members of the group only have read access still.
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| 20:13 | <sbalneav> TheProf: grep pam_umask /etc/pam.d/session-common
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| 20:14 | <TheProf> sbalneav, I will check it now.
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| 20:14 | <sbalneav> err, common-session
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| 20:15 | <sbalneav> should say:
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| 20:15 | session optionalpam_umask.so
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| 20:15 | back in one sec...
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| 20:17 | <TheProf> oh man. I think I royally just messed up the machine.
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| 20:17 | <sbalneav> TheProf: That line there?
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| 20:17 | <TheProf> sudo apt-get gives me sudo: /etc/sudoers is mode 0660, should be 0440
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| 20:18 | argh. I was trying to figure out how to resolve it and typed in "find . -type f -print0 | xargs -0 chmod 444"
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| 20:18 | as per an online guide.
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| 20:18 | <sbalneav> in where, etc?
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| 20:18 | <TheProf> let me check where it was typed in.
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| 20:19 | I had navigated to /mnt/school shared in MC and typed it in there.
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| 20:20 | <sbalneav> ok, I'm not sure what you're doing anymore.
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| 20:21 | <TheProf> sbalneav, let me clarify.
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| 20:21 | <Matrix3000> anyone know a ppa for keeping ltsp more up to date?
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| 20:21 | like the actuall ltsp
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| 20:22 | <TheProf> I was trying to change the permissions of the files that the teachers had created as per the conversation. Specifically to modify the files to 0660 so that they can be RW for owner and group.
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| 20:22 | <Matrix3000> 0770?
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| 20:22 | <TheProf> Because these files were in subdirectories, I searched for how to change permissions recursively. I got this page: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/aix-43/chmod-recursion-files-only-208798/
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| 20:23 | <Matrix3000> isn't that chmod -R
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| 20:23 | <TheProf> and used this command: find . -type f -print0 | xargs -0 chmod 444 as it was indicated to be used when there are spaces in the name.
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| 20:23 | Matrix3000 chmod -R didn't work for the files.
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| 20:23 | <Matrix3000> not even sudo chmod -R?
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| 20:24 | <TheProf> Matrix3000, it didn't for me now.
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| 20:24 | <Matrix3000> what error did you get
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| 20:25 | <TheProf> Since I'm more used to Fedora where you can become root, I thought the correct way to run a root command for another directory would be to sudo mc, then navigate to that directory and type in the command at the bottom cmd line.
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| 20:25 | <sbalneav> chmod 444 would make all the permissions -r--r--r-- which isn't what you want anyway
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| 20:25 | <TheProf> Matrix3000, it only modified the directory, not the files themselves.
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| 20:25 | <Matrix3000> give me one second
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| 20:26 | <sbalneav> you can certainly just set a root password if that's what you prefer.
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| 20:26 | <TheProf> sbalneav, I changed the number from 0440 in the example to 0660
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| 20:26 | sbalneav, I was trying to learn the correct methodology I guess rather than overriding.
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| 20:27 | <sbalneav> but what you pasted was 4444
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| 20:27 | 444 sorry
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| 20:27 | <Matrix3000> ok, try sudo chmod 770 -vR <directory you want to change permissions to>
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| 20:27 | <TheProf> sbalneav, you're right - I pasted from the website as I can't see the history in MC
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| 20:27 | sbalneav, sorry my mistake.
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| 20:27 | <alkisg> !daily-builds | echo Matrix3000:
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| 20:27 | <ltsp> Matrix3000: daily-builds: you can find untested daily builds for Ubuntu LTSP in https://launchpad.net/~ltsp-upstream/+archive/daily
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| 20:27 | <Matrix3000> ah ok
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| 20:28 | <sbalneav> ok, first of all, can you sudo anymore or not?
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| 20:28 | <Matrix3000> alkisg: thanks
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| 20:28 | i hope he can sudo, otherwise :(
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| 20:28 | <sbalneav> at a command line AND NOT OUT OF MC, can you type "sudo -i"
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| 20:29 | <TheProf> sbalneav, I have no name!@i7-eduLTSP:~$ sudo -i give: sudo: /etc/sudoers is mode 0660, should be 0440 (new line) sudo: no valid sudoers sources found, quitting
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| 20:29 | if I remember I did create a password for root a long time ago - I can try to log in as root on the server (I'm on a thin client now).
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| 20:30 | <sbalneav> ok, so, you've buggered up your /etc directory somehow.
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| 20:30 | <Matrix3000> :((((((
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| 20:30 | <TheProf> argh. stupid me.
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| 20:30 | <Matrix3000> crap
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| 20:31 | <TheProf> Guess there's no "reset all permissions to factory" option.
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| 20:31 | <Matrix3000> haha
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| 20:31 | <khildin> it's no windows... :P
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| 20:31 | <Matrix3000> actually windows is just as bad now with permissions
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| 20:31 | <khildin> take ownership... :P
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| 20:31 | <Matrix3000> if you use NTFS
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| 20:32 | <sbalneav> There is a "restore from last nights backup" option.
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| 20:32 | <khildin> hehe...
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| 20:32 | <sbalneav> You do have last night's backup, right?
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| 20:32 | <TheProf> Everything in /home yes backed up.
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| 20:32 | <Matrix3000> ah
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| 20:32 | <TheProf> not sure about the rest - I'll check.
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| 20:32 | <Matrix3000> no /etc?
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| 20:33 | <sbalneav> Then you'll be having to boot from a cd, into rescue mode, and fixing up /etc
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| 20:33 | <Matrix3000> yea
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| 20:34 | ubuntu live cd
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| 20:34 | <khildin> that's why I like VM's and snapshots.... ^^
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| 20:34 | <TheProf> Woah - ssh into backup server initially refused with error "You don't exist, go away!" Never saw that one before.
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| 20:35 | sbalneav, the rescue mode would also take care of software installed after the OS was installed?
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| 20:35 | <Matrix3000> i <3 vSphere Hypervisor
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| 20:35 | I snapshot my ldap database server
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| 20:36 | wish i could do the same to ltsp server
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| 20:36 | but ltsp under vmware has to be wierd
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| 20:36 | and bad
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| 20:36 | lol
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| 20:36 | <sbalneav> TheProf: rescue mode will just boot you into a root owned shell.
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| 20:36 | <TheProf> OK sbalneav I understand.
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| 20:36 | <sbalneav> you'll have to mount your root, and patch up your /etc
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| 20:37 | <alkisg> Matrix3000: I don't know about ltsp under vmware, but ltsp under virtualbox runs fine, even under windows
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| 20:37 | <sbalneav> at a bare minimum, you'll need to fix the perms on your /etc/sudoers file
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| 20:37 | <Matrix3000> i mean ltsp server though
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| 20:37 | not as a client
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| 20:37 | <khildin> why would ltsp run bad in a VM?.... just throw enough memory to it... large db's are worse in a vm...
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| 20:38 | <Matrix3000> well our LTSP server has 16GB ram
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| 20:38 | and we need it with 47 running thin clients
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| 20:38 | that's right now we've seen upwards of 60-70 if everyone is in the office
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| 20:38 | <khildin> ever tried to run FF as a local app?
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| 20:38 | <Matrix3000> yea
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| 20:38 | need help?
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| 20:38 | <khildin> saves a lot of memory
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| 20:39 | <Matrix3000> oh yea, we use fat clients
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| 20:39 | <alkisg> Matrix3000: yes, ltsp as a server runs fine under virtualbox
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| 20:39 | <Matrix3000> hmm
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| 20:39 | ill look at doing that
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| 20:39 | <alkisg> In about 80% to 90% of its original performance
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| 20:39 | <Matrix3000> might be useful in a situation where failover is extremely important
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| 20:40 | <sbalneav> root@sputnik:/usr/lib/cups/filter# uptime 14:40:12 up 8 days, 18:52, 36 users, load average: 1.24, 1.34, 1.36
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| 20:40 | <TheProf> sbalneav, OK I will look to do the patching for sudoers
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| 20:41 | <Matrix3000> http://screencast.com/t/cmyvq7r4qH
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| 20:41 | beat that
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| 20:41 | lol
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| 20:41 | load of 0.1
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| 20:42 | fat clients and thin clients
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| 20:42 | <alkisg> Epoptes in the screenshot, cool :P :D
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| 20:42 | <Matrix3000> it's ram usage that is insane
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| 20:42 | <sbalneav> all mine are thin.
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| 20:42 | <Matrix3000> alkisg: epoptes is so much better than italc
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| 20:43 | <TheProf> OK fire alarm drill now (just a fun day!) - thank you for your help
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| 20:43 | <Matrix3000> sbalneav: i am also running monitoring software on all the clients
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| 20:43 | <khildin> Matrix3000: tell me more.... I only used iTalc
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| 20:43 | <Matrix3000> theprof: have a good one
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| 20:43 | khildin: actually alkisg here is the man
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| 20:43 | he's the dev on it
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| 20:43 | <khildin> alkisg start talking... :)
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| 20:44 | <Matrix3000> hahaha
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| 20:44 | http://www.epoptes.org/
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| 20:44 | !epoptes
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| 20:44 | <ltsp> Matrix3000: epoptes: Epoptes is a computer lab administration and monitoring tool. It works on Ubuntu and Debian based labs with LTSP or non-LTSP servers, thin and fat clients, standalone workstations, NX clients etc. More info: http://www.epoptes.org
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| 20:45 | <khildin> so also on non ltsp servers?
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| 20:45 | <Matrix3000> yes
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| 20:45 | <khildin> interesting... :)
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| 20:45 | <Matrix3000> installation instructions are pretty easy
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| 20:45 | they are on the site as well
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| 20:45 | for both types of clients
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| 20:45 | irc channel is #linux.sch.gr
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| 20:47 | <khildin> is it only for GUI/WM enabled servers? or also headless servers?
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| 20:48 | and can it be used over internet? (wan connections)
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| 20:49 | <Matrix3000> wan if you have a vpn
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| 20:50 | <khildin> ofc...
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| 20:50 | might be a great option for zentyal...
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| 20:50 | <Matrix3000> why would u use it for zentyal?
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| 20:50 | zentyal is web interface managed
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| 20:51 | <khildin> yes... but if you have 20 servers..... you can have them all in 1 view
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| 20:51 | <Matrix3000> true, but open up tabs
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| 20:51 | and ssh sessions
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| 20:51 | how many of your servers have gui's
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| 20:52 | <khildin> and chances are that LTSP will be implemented in zentyal...
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| 20:52 | all zentyal servers have gui... by default...
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| 20:52 | it's a limited gui... but still a gui
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| 20:54 | I think I will toy around a bit with epoptes... look what it can bring..
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| 20:56 | anyway... Iḿ off for today... seeyas and thanks for the epoptes tip... :)
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| 21:11 | <Matrix3000> fun fun
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| 21:13 | <sbalneav> Matrix3000: By the way, I wasn't able to find the schema.
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| 21:14 | <Matrix3000> sbalneav: that kinda sucks...we have a approval and lost the schema lol
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| 21:14 | <sbalneav> the schema would have been hopelessly out of date anyway
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| 21:15 | many new varibles have been added since it was done.
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| 21:15 | <Matrix3000> yea
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| 21:58 | <sbalneav> vagrantc: hey ho
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| 21:58 | <vagrantc> sbalneav: hiya
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| 21:59 | didn't get a chance to test stuff last night
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| 22:04 | <sbalneav> No problem. Wasn't dropping hints :)
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| 22:05 | <alkisg> Hi vagrantc, if you have a few minutes to spare, I got 2 questions for you...
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| 22:05 | First, am I "allowed" to try to run `epoptes-client -c` on postinst to fetch the certificate from the server declared in /etc/default/epoptes-client? I could even show the certificate in some debconf dialog, if required, and ask if the sysadmin agrees with that..
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| 22:05 | And second, am I "allowed" to implement a "login" feature, where in the clients properties dialog there will be a "username" and a "password" field, and the teacher will be able to right click on some clients and select "login" to have the clients automatically login?
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| 22:12 | <alkisg> The worst thing with the login feature will be the implementation, the only cross-DM implementation I can think of is to actually send the keystrokes with XTE. At least the local root account will be used for that, so the password will only travel the network through the openssl/socat socket.
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| 22:18 | <sbalneav> on later tonight
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| 22:19 | cheers
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| 22:20 | <vagrantc> alkisg: not sure about the fetching the cert from the server
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| 22:20 | <vagrantc> alkisg: the latter feature, presuming it isn't implemented as a security disaster, probably would be fine.
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| 22:20 | <alkisg> It'll just send "username\npassword\n" through the socat socket
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| 22:21 | <alkisg> Now if the teacher decides to do that while an xterm screen script is active...
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| 22:21 | ...he'll have the password shown on top of xterm :)
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| 22:22 | I can check that no user is logged on while running xte, but I can't check if the cursor is in the correct username input box etc etc
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| 22:23 | <vagrantc> right...
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| 22:23 | * vagrantc just uses passwordless setups | |
| 22:23 | <vagrantc> well, most of them, anyways
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| 22:26 | <vagrantc> alkisg: i also want to figure out a way to enable/disable epoptes dynamically... normally, i don't want my thin clients to run epoptes (they're just used for random folks browsing the intertubes), but occasionally for a class, i'd want to be able to simply enable it
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| 22:26 | seems a little tricky with the epoptes-client (running as root) and the epoptes-client (running as user) ... would it work if you just had the epoptes-client user part?
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| 22:26 | <alkisg> vagrantc: dynamically how? With a login script? Based on some group membership? Based on the current time of the day?
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| 22:27 | With epoptes-client you can't shut down an LTSP client that hasn't logged on yet
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| 22:27 | <vagrantc> alkisg: i'm not sure... just trying to figure out how to do it.
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| 22:27 | <alkisg> And currently you'd also lose the broadcasting, but we can fix that
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| 22:27 | So sure, most things can be done with the session epoptes-client only
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| 22:28 | <vagrantc> alkisg: so if people manually start epoptes-client, most features should work?
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| 22:28 | <alkisg> Yes, except for the 2 mentioned above, and we can easily fix the broadcasting
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| 22:29 | <vagrantc> broadcasting is definitely a desireable feature
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| 22:29 | <alkisg> Also, if you have localapps enabled, you can launch epoptes-client by setting an xprop in the user display
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| 22:29 | (you need to be root for that on the server of course)
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| 22:31 | The starting point is, "when/how do you want to launch the client", based on which event.
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| 22:39 | <vagrantc> yeah, don't know exactly yet. might just create a special server for that sort of thing with epoptes/epoptes-client installed.
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| 22:40 | and then they can choose the epoptes environment at login time.
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| 22:59 | <vagrantc> alkisg: looks like ubuntu pulled epoptes from debian
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| 22:59 | <alkisg> vagrantc: yeah stgraber pulled it from the very first days it was published
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| 23:00 | I just hope we'll get text stabilized + enough translations in the archives before the next debian + ubuntu series are published...
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| 23:00 | <Hyperbyte> alkisg, how many strings?
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| 23:02 | <alkisg> Hyperbyte: 102 now, maybe 120 next month with the feature freeze
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| 23:02 | <Hyperbyte> That's not too bad.
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| 23:02 | <alkisg> Translated directly in launchpad, with translation suggestions etc, so it shouldn't take more than half an hour to the translators
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| 23:02 | <Hyperbyte> If you mail me a .po, I can do a translation probably sometime.
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| 23:03 | Oh, Launchpad?
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| 23:03 | <alkisg> Yes, you just go there and start typing if you have an account
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| 23:03 | <Hyperbyte> If I have an account...
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| 23:03 | Have to dig it up.
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| 23:03 | <alkisg> And the result goes directly in the branch
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| 23:04 | I'll try to send a call for possible translators when the groups editing feature is implemented
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| 23:12 | <alkisg> That indeed logs in a user: xte "str username" "key Return" "sleep 1" "str password" "key Return"
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| 23:29 | <Hyperbyte> Goooooooood night!
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| 23:29 | <andygraybeal> night Hyperbyte :)
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| 23:29 | <alkisg> 'night Hyperbyte :)
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