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Channel log from 4 November 2008 (all times are UTC)
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| 00:36 | <kwak> sbalneav, still there?
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| 00:37 | i also noticed that some are getting dhcp reply but some are not.
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| 02:21 | <Appiah> Does anyone have a way to lock settings for all users in Firefox 3?
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| 03:28 | <kwak> what is the correct value for LDM_DIRECT= True or Yes?
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| 03:28 | LDM_DIRECTX
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| 03:28 | <Appiah> correct?
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| 03:29 | oh
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| 03:29 | <nubae> both are allows
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| 03:29 | <kwak> ic.
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| 03:29 | <nubae> including lower or upper case
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| 03:29 | <kwak> k
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| 03:30 | have you tried upgrading 8.04 to 8.10
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| 03:30 | <nubae> ogra: I see the hp mini-note 1000 will sport ubuntu remix...
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| 03:30 | kwak: I have
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| 03:30 | <kwak> did it work? I tried a fresh install and some clients didn't boot.
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| 03:30 | <nubae> works fine for me
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| 03:30 | did u upgrade the chroot too?
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| 03:31 | <kwak> it's a fresh install of 8.10 so it should be upgrade right? unless i upgrade from 8.04
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| 03:32 | <nubae> thought u said it was an upgrade
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| 03:33 | but yes a fresh install should work
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| 03:33 | I've tried that too
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| 03:34 | <kwak> well, that's not the case for me, so i decided to install hardy which is doing fine. but will try upgrading hardy later on.
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| 04:26 | <alkisg> I'm trying ltsp trunking, on a server I have 4 NICs eth0 to eth3 with IPs 10.x.x.10 to 10.x.x.13, all connected to the same switch. A TC connects e.g. to eth2 (I confirm it with ps aux on the TC console), but still the data sent to it come from eth0. Why? !!!
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| 04:26 | Doesn't nbd answer from the same NIC that the TC connected to? It always uses the 1st NIC?
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| 04:27 | <nubae> u probably need to route the traffic somehow
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| 04:27 | <alkisg> Or should I use subnetting to route the traffic?
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| 04:27 | <nubae> aye
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| 04:28 | <alkisg> Nubae, ty, trying...
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| 04:30 | Nubae, can I not use traffic and route from a specific NIC to specific IPs? E.g. eth1 = 10.160.31.11 should be used for clients from 10.160.31.120 to .129, can I do that?
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| 04:30 | *not use *subnetting*
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| 04:31 | <nubae> alkisg: not to sure... but google should bring something up
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| 04:31 | <alkisg> Nubae, thanks
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| 04:44 | Nubae, confirmed (I changed subnets). I now have to (1) find an easy way for others to do it, (2) do some benchmarks to see if it's worth the trouble (I think it does), and (3) post a how to somewhere! Thanks again.
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| 04:44 | I hope iptables will be able to do it without changing subnets
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| 06:13 | <Appiah> Is anyone here using Local Apps today on a current Ubuntu version and LTSP 5?
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| 07:20 | <petre> morning all
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| 08:27 | <sbalneav> Morning all
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| 08:28 | <ogra> !s
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| 08:28 | <ltspbot> ogra: "s" is Scotty!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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| 08:28 | <sbalneav> Hey ogra!
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| 08:28 | <ogra> :)
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| 08:35 | <sbalneav> So, gadi and I spent some time last night, and got a hacked up jetpipe that will (hopefully) have serial support in it.
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| 08:36 | I'm gonna look at it now and start cleaning it up a bit.
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| 08:37 | <ogra> didnt you have that two years ago with only a few extra lines?
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| 08:37 | just importing socket and using it ?
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| 08:38 | * ogra reallly liked that code but you never submitted it | |
| 08:38 | <sbalneav> No, there's a python serial object we have to use.
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| 08:38 | <ogra> right, that was it
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| 08:38 | <sbalneav> it actually shouldn't make the code that much bigger
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| 08:38 | <ogra> not socket
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| 08:38 | <sbalneav> Anyway, Gadi's a happy boy.
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| 08:38 | <ogra> but i thought that existed long ago
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| 08:39 | just not in the main code :)
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| 08:39 | <sbalneav> No, I never fully got it to work.
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| 08:39 | <ogra> ah
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| 08:39 | <sbalneav> this looks much closer.
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| 08:39 | just needs some cleanup
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| 08:39 | <ogra> nice
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| 08:45 | <Gadi> sbalneav: I cleaned up some
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| 08:45 | let me send you what I did
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| 08:45 | still trying to get this stupid label printer to react
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| 08:45 | but, its not jetpipe's fault
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| 08:45 | <ogra> cups ?
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| 08:45 | <Gadi> no
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| 08:45 | its the printer
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| 08:45 | <rjune__> !g
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| 08:45 | <ltspbot> rjune__: "g" is Gadi!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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| 08:45 | <Gadi> hey, rjune__
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| 08:46 | <rjune__> job fail.
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| 08:46 | <Gadi> nah - these label printers are a wierd beastie
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| 08:47 | *weird
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| 08:47 | <ogra> wired ?
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| 08:47 | :)
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| 08:53 | <Gadi> hmm I wonder if the printer needs bidirectional communication to do anything
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| 08:53 | crap
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| 08:53 | * Gadi needs a regular serial printer | |
| 08:54 | <Appiah> ;)
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| 08:54 | <Gadi> anyone out there have a serial printer?
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| 08:54 | <ogra> you should be able to set that up on BIOS
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| 08:54 | <Gadi> ogra: jetpipe is not bidirectional atm
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| 08:54 | <ogra> no, it isnt
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| 08:59 | <sbalneav> Gadi: You sent via email?
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| 09:02 | <Appiah> I'm gonna try to put on some local apps on my client image , but how do I know how much RAM that will be required by my thin clients that will run this later?
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| 09:02 | I dont have them here to try right away >_>
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| 09:02 | So I do it in a VM
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| 09:04 | <nubae> 24 inch monitor now costs 275€
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| 09:04 | incredible how prices have dropped
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| 09:07 | * Appiah is still using a 17" and 19" | |
| 09:08 | <sbalneav> Appiah: Dude, think about what you just asked.
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| 09:08 | <Appiah> sbalneav: huh?
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| 09:08 | <jammcq> Goood morning #LTSP
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| 09:08 | <ogra> !j
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| 09:09 | <ltspbot> ogra: Error: "j" is not a valid command.
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| 09:09 | <ogra> :P
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| 09:09 | <sbalneav> "I'm gonna try to put on some local apps on my client image , but how do I know how much RAM that will be required by my thin clients that will run this later
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| 09:09 | <sbalneav> What apps!?!?
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| 09:09 | How can we make a suggestion if you don't tell us what apps you plan to run? :)
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| 09:09 | <Gadi> sbalneav: yes
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| 09:09 | sent
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| 09:09 | <sbalneav> Gadi: thanks
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| 09:09 | <Gadi> to ur ltsp.org
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| 09:10 | <Appiah> I'm not asking for suggestions , I'm asking if there's a way to see while I'm making the image
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| 09:10 | <nubae> Appiah: run them on a fatclient
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| 09:10 | then ntop to see ram usage
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| 09:10 | <ogra> htop :)
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| 09:10 | <sbalneav> Size of the app on disk has no relation to size of the app in memory.
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| 09:10 | <nubae> :p
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| 09:11 | <sbalneav> int main() { char c[10000000000000000] = "" }
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| 09:11 | <Appiah> I mean , Can I put as many applications on the local image with no restriction?
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| 09:11 | <sbalneav> there's an app that only takes up a k or two, but allocates 100's of gigs :)
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| 09:11 | Appiah: sure
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| 09:11 | <stgraber> sbalneav: Is there a way to modify the user environement using some rc scripts ? Like doing a session-wide export
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| 09:11 | <Appiah> oh
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| 09:12 | <sbalneav> stgraber: I usually put things like that in /etc/X11/Xsession.d
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| 09:13 | Appiah: Obviously, if you plan to run something like gvim locally, its going to take a LOT less ram than, say, running firefox + flash locally.
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| 09:13 | <Appiah> Ye I understand that sbalneav
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| 09:13 | but that was not where I was going
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| 09:13 | I think I just missunderstood how local app work
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| 09:13 | <ogra> and for flash it even depends on the content you use in the flash appelt
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| 09:13 | <stgraber> right, that'd work, having it done in LDM, I could turn it on/off using some lts.conf parameters though (it's for Compiz). But that's not a problem as the fix will be in Jaunty anyway
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| 09:13 | <Appiah> I'll read up on it and try it
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| 09:14 | and ask if I get stuck intead ;)
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| 09:14 | <jammcq> plus, keep in mind, firefox will eventually use ALL your ram
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| 09:14 | <Appiah> ofcourse
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| 09:14 | <sbalneav> If you're running localapps, I'd recommend STARTING with at least a gig in the clients.
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| 09:14 | <Appiah> ouch
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| 09:14 | <jammcq> a gig ?
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| 09:14 | * ogra wouldnt be that drastic | |
| 09:14 | <sbalneav> Sure.
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| 09:15 | <jammcq> there's plenty of people who run laptops with only 1/2 gig
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| 09:15 | <ogra> but 512M ...
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| 09:15 | <Appiah> I dont think we even have any thin clients with 1 gig
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| 09:15 | <nubae> that much?
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| 09:15 | <ogra> jammcq, they have swap though
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| 09:15 | so swap is essential
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| 09:15 | * jammcq wonders what this world is coming to | |
| 09:15 | <nubae> well fatclient works fine on 256mb
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| 09:15 | <sbalneav> I've got 1/2 gig in my lapttop. If I get about 6 or seven firefox pages open, with a flash video on one, I hit swap.
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| 09:15 | <ogra> and i'd recommend using the swapfiles on te server in a tmpfs
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| 09:16 | <sbalneav> I'm saying if you don't want to hit network swap that often.
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| 09:16 | * ogra wanted to write a howto for that sicne years | |
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| 09:16 | <nubae> ogra: what is the advantage there?
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| 09:16 | <ogra> nubae, speed
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| 09:16 | <jammcq> dtrask: hey
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| 09:17 | <Appiah> I hope there will be more on local apps
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| 09:17 | <nubae> right but why?
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| 09:17 | <ogra> you dont have to rely on disk access speed
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| 09:17 | <dtrask> hey
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| 09:17 | <ogra> on an already busy server
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| 09:17 | <jammcq> disk access speed isn't the bottleneck
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| 09:17 | <nubae> ah ok gotcha
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| 09:17 | <ogra> jammcq, depends
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| 09:18 | <dtrask> jammcq: Just letting you know I'll prolly be there late Friday night or very early Sat a.m.
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| 09:18 | <ogra> if you only have a handfull of clients on a fast net you notice the tmpfs swap
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| 09:18 | <jammcq> dtrask: oh? we need you there ALL the time
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| 09:18 | <dtrask> jammcq: we have a Halloween Dance at school that I really need to be there for on Fri night
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| 09:18 | <sbalneav> Me, personally, when I upgraded all my terminal mobos, I put a gig in each of them.
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| 09:18 | <dtrask> jammcq: I'd love too, but....
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| 09:18 | <jammcq> umm, dtrask..... halloween was last friday
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| 09:18 | <dtrask> jammcq: I know....not my decision
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| 09:19 | jammcq: looking forward to seeing you all...
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| 09:20 | jammcq: If I can pull it off (aka get a substitute for me) I will try for earlier on Friday
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| 09:20 | jammcq: I'll bring beer?
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| 09:20 | <ogra> why the question mark ?
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| 09:21 | beer should only be used with an exclamation mark in the same sentence !
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| 09:21 | <dtrask> jammcq: ? of appeasement :-) Hey...will Ragnar be able to join us? How about Togami?
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| 09:22 | <jammcq> dtrask: yes and yes
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| 09:22 | <dtrask> jammcq: awesome....
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| 09:23 | jammcq: makes mental note to buy Scotch for ragnar
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| 09:23 | <rjune__> jammcq: howdy
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| 09:23 | <dtrask> LOl
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| 09:24 | <sbalneav> Bring. Beer. Period.
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| 09:24 | <jammcq> rjune__: hey
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| 09:24 | rjune__: you start the new job yet?
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| 09:24 | <rjune__> jammcq: security clearance fail
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| 09:24 | <jammcq> oh no !!!!!
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| 09:24 | checkered past?
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| 09:24 | <dtrask> sbalneav: any preferences? None of that Canadian crap right? ;-)
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| 09:25 | <rjune__> jammcq: financially ugly
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| 09:25 | <jammcq> ah
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| 09:25 | <sbalneav> There are good Canadian beers, there are crap Canadian Beers. There are good american beers, there are crap american beers.
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| 09:25 | <dtrask> jammcq: we doing lopstah Sat night?
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| 09:25 | <jammcq> dtrask: ubetcha
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| 09:26 | <sbalneav> There are good ${COUNTRY} beers, there are crap ${COUNTRY} beers.
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| 09:26 | I have only one requirement
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| 09:26 | <dtrask> sbalneav: Amen....I was just poking fun....me? I'm local micro-brews guy....in Indianapolis I had an awesome ale called ButtFace ale ;-)
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| 09:26 | <sbalneav> for BEER in ${COUNTRY}; do
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| 09:26 | <rjune__> jammcq: yup
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| 09:26 | <dtrask> sbalneav: LOL!
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| 09:26 | <rjune__> sucky
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| 09:26 | <sbalneav> if [ $BEER == "good"]; then
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| 09:27 | drink($BEER)
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| 09:27 | fi
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| 09:27 | done
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| 09:27 | <dtrask> sbalneav: I have a pic of the ButtFace logo I'll show you Friday
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| 09:27 | <brendan0powers> dtrask: hello
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| 09:27 | <dtrask> sbalneav: It works!
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| 09:27 | <sbalneav> That's the most debugged piece of code I've ever written!
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| 09:28 | Never let me down yet!
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| 09:28 | <rjune__> heh
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| 09:28 | <sbalneav> Microbrews are great. Never had a bad one yet.
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| 09:28 | I even loved the Cherry beer that almost made ogra turn green! :)
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| 09:28 | <dtrask> sbalneav: Bar Harbor Brewing Co. makes some nice ones
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| 09:29 | sbalneav: Hey is Ogra coming?
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| 09:29 | <sbalneav> Unfortunately, not this time. Fambly committments
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| 09:29 | <Appiah> Are you talking about the hackfest?
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| 09:29 | <dtrask> sbalneav: aww....although /me understands...family first
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| 09:29 | yep
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| 09:30 | <sbalneav> Appiah: yessir
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| 09:30 | <Appiah> Sounds awesome, hope it will turn out great
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| 09:30 | <dtrask> as we Mainers say....."wicked fun"
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| 09:32 | <Appiah> Is the hackfest every year? how times has there been one?
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| 09:34 | <jammcq> we try to do it twice a year
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| 09:34 | <sbalneav> We usually manage to squeek in a couple a year
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| 09:34 | jammcq: what, 4, 5 years now?
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| 09:35 | <jammcq> well, this will be the 4th time in southwest harbor. although the 1st time was just me, eharrison, dtrask and cliebow
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| 09:35 | <sbalneav> Gadi: hmmm still haven't got it yet.
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| 09:36 | <jammcq> next summer is the big one. LTSP turns 10 years old
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| 09:36 | gonna try to get as many as possible down to brazil
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| 09:37 | <chrisinajar> jammcq: why brazil?
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| 09:37 | <jammcq> there's a big conference down there called FISL
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| 09:37 | <chrisinajar> ah.
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| 09:37 | that's neat
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| 09:37 | <jammcq> and lots of LTSP has been deployed in brazil
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| 09:38 | <chrisinajar> hmm, that's interesting.
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| 09:38 | <jammcq> and I know the conference organizers really well, and we're gonna incorporate our hackfest into their conference
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| 09:38 | so there will be some talks at the conf about LTSP
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| 09:38 | <chrisinajar> that's pretty cool. I probably wont be able to make it to that one, but best of luck :)
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| 09:38 | <jammcq> hopefully we'll have someone from each distro giving a talk about their particular implementation
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| 09:39 | <chrisinajar> well, i hope someone records it as that sounds interesting.
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| 09:39 | it would make a good webcast :)
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| 09:40 | <jammcq> yeah, it'd be a good idea to get some video of those talks
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| 09:41 | <sbalneav> workping meeting
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| 09:41 | <dtrask> chrisinajar: hey...we'll finally meet in Maine....Brendan says you're coming Thursday?
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| 09:41 | <chrisinajar> dtrask: sure am!
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| 09:41 | <jammcq> chrisinajar: you staying friday too?
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| 09:41 | <chrisinajar> we're going thurs - sun
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| 09:41 | <jammcq> ah, cool
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| 09:42 | cuz most of us will be arriving late on thursday
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| 09:42 | <chrisinajar> i think we'll be ariving aroung 6pm-ish...
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| 09:42 | <dtrask> jammcq: Chris and Brendan are the folks I told you about....from NH....good guys....I think Warren is coming Sat...Warren Luebekeman not togami
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| 09:43 | * nubae hopes there will be some in Europe too | |
| 09:43 | <stgraber> chrisinajar: oh, you are the Resara guy I haven't met ? :)
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| 09:43 | <jammcq> cool
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| 09:43 | <stgraber> chrisinajar: (= who didn't come to Sherbrooke some weeks ago)
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| 09:43 | <jammcq> nubae: well, maybe next year we can do a european hackfest. I always love an excuse to get over there
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| 09:44 | <dtrask> stgraber: ditto here too....I haven't met him either....I need to "chide" him for an "oops" moment with my server ;-)
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| 09:44 | stgraber: you coming to Maine?
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| 09:44 | <stgraber> dtrask: yep
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| 09:44 | <dtrask> stgraber: awesome!
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| 09:44 | <ogra> dtrask, there has to be at least one ubuntu guy :)
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| 09:44 | <stgraber> ogra: right :)
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| 09:45 | <dtrask> ogra: we'll miss you
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| 09:45 | <ogra> i'll mis you guys too :(
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| 09:45 | i'm really sad i cant come
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| 09:45 | <stgraber> ogra: do you have skype ? :)
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| 09:45 | <ogra> stgraber, ekiga
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| 09:45 | we use it in the company all the time
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| 09:45 | <dtrask> brb....teaching Scratch to 3rd graders...they're going nuts...
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| 09:45 | <stgraber> oh, I'll need to install ekiga as localapp then
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| 09:45 | ogra: funny, all the Canonical guys I know always asked for skype ... (mainly LP people)
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| 09:46 | <ogra> stgraber, yeah, QA and LP somehow are "different" it seems :)
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| 09:46 | <stgraber> yeah
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| 09:46 | we use skype a lot ... ekiga as localapp I'm not sure it'll work well as it depends on gconf and gconf as localapp tends to break everything
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| 09:46 | <ogra> mobile team uses ekiga, we have the asterisk server up since yeras
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| 09:47 | i actually did one of my first ekiga calls ever with sbalneav :)
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| 09:47 | <dtrask> this is so cool....I have a 3rd grader on a SMARTboard showing others how to edit a script in SCRATCH
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| 09:48 | <ogra> dtrask, did you see nubae's work of integrating sugar with ltsp ?
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| 09:48 | might be an intresting option for your kids
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| 09:48 | <nubae> !sugar
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| 09:48 | <ltspbot> nubae: "sugar" is for anyone curious, this is how to get sugar, ejabberd and collaboration working perfectly on LTSP: http://www.nubae.com/sugar-on-ltsp-ubuntu-intrepid-ibex
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| 09:48 | <stgraber> ogra: argh, exactly what I was affraid of, ekiga depends on evolution-data-server and gconf, that's really bad as it'll not only make ekiga to show scary error messages but firefox too ...
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| 09:49 | <ogra> ??
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| 09:49 | why is that
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| 09:49 | <dtrask> ogra: haven't seen it, but was aware of it....I met Walter Bender of SugarLabs in Indianapolis a month or so ago....had a nice talk with him about Sugar and LTSP or terminals in general
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| 09:49 | <ogra> ah
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| 09:50 | well, nubae has doen the integration in intrepid
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| 09:51 | stgraber, sip:7616@canonical.com btw ...
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| 09:51 | <stgraber> ogra: gconf trying to connect to dbus, but this one is on the server (it gets the dbus address from a xprop IIRC)
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| 09:52 | <ogra> dbus runs on the client in intrepid
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| 09:52 | at least a system bus
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| 09:52 | <dtrask> ogra: will it be a session choice or an "all or nothing"?
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| 09:52 | <brendan0powers> ogra: so you use asterisk for internal company communications?
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| 09:52 | <ogra> stgraber, we urgently need LDM -> session dbus intregration
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| 09:53 | <stgraber> ogra: not the same one, IIRC I get some permission denied and similar thing in the console, but yes we really need dbus session integration
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| 09:53 | <ogra> brendan0powers, no, mainly IRC ... but asterisk as an additional option
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| 09:53 | <nubae> dtrask: yeah I've been working with sugarlabs on ltsp and sugar... they are highly enthusiastic about LTSP... we have 2 deployments here in Austria
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| 09:54 | <stgraber> ogra: here it's mainly Jabber+asterisk (VOIP phone) but with the recent work on telepathy we may use it a lot more in the future (voip over jabber, even webcam)
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| 09:54 | <ogra> yeah
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| 09:54 | ekiga still sucks for webcam use but the voice quality beats every POTS or cellphone
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| 09:55 | <nubae> Austria is the first European country with xos deployed too!
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| 09:55 | <stgraber> ogra: http://paste.ubuntu.com/67373
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| 09:55 | <elwarreno> howdy dtrask
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| 09:55 | <dtrask> elwarreno: howdy
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| 09:55 | CHUCKY!
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| 09:55 | <stgraber> ogra: that's starting firefox after I installed gconf, no problem without gconf
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| 09:55 | <ogra> stgraber, hmm
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| 09:55 | <elwarreno> so what is the food situation at LTSP by the sea like?
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| 09:56 | where do we get breakfast/lunch/dinner
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| 09:56 | <dtrask> cliebow: get those lopstahs ready
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| 09:56 | <elwarreno> and who's buying?
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| 09:56 | <dtrask> elwarreno: local restaurants/pubs/diners and you are
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| 09:56 | <jammcq> saturday night is the big dinner
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| 09:56 | <dtrask> LOL
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| 09:56 | <jammcq> that'll be sponsored by DisklessWorkstations.com
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| 09:56 | <elwarreno> i seeee
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| 09:56 | <stgraber> ogra: ekiga just won't start :( (complains about gconf, then complains a bit more about gconf and fails)
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| 09:56 | <cliebow> dtrask..i be ready
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| 09:57 | <dtrask> jammcq: you going back to that restaurant we went to last year during the storm?
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| 09:57 | nice place
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| 09:57 | <jammcq> saturday morning, for breakfast, we'll prolly head to that pancake place over in bar harbor
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| 09:57 | <ogra> stgraber, try running g-s-d
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| 09:57 | <cliebow> it is our civic duty to buy ots o lobsters
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| 09:57 | <dtrask> Jordans pancake house....awesome place
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| 09:57 | <jammcq> dtrask: nope, this time we'll be back in the dining room at the workshop
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| 09:57 | <elwarreno> i won't be able to make it till saturday afternoon, unless i come in very late on Friday
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| 09:57 | <cliebow> i like that idea..
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| 09:57 | <stgraber> ogra: I don't have it (remember we're talking localapp there, I don't have a whole ubuntu desktop installed in the chroot :))
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| 09:58 | <elwarreno> how many people are coming?
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| 09:58 | <dtrask> elwarreno: do late on Friday that's what I'm doing
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| 09:58 | <jammcq> friday, we'll prolly grab pizza from that place around the corner from the seawall
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| 09:58 | <ogra> stgraber, install it and it should be able to connect
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| 09:58 | <jammcq> should be 15-18 people
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| 09:58 | <ogra> probably needs to run through dbus-launch
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| 09:58 | so a session daemon gets started with it
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| 09:59 | * stgraber feels a out of disk error approching :) (installing in the aufs) | |
| 09:59 | <ogra> it will use gconf from the sshfs mount then
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| 09:59 | <elwarreno> dtrask: how late?
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| 09:59 | <jammcq> big breakfast and dinner on saturday, prolly won't be an official lunch
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| 09:59 | <cliebow> dtrask..my workplace has a new name..the imorgue
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| 09:59 | ..
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| 09:59 | <elwarreno> i can't believe so many people use IRC
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| 09:59 | i feel like its 1994
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| 09:59 | <cliebow> laptops check in..they don't check out..
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| 09:59 | <chrisinajar> elwarreno: irc is where it's at :-P
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| 09:59 | <ogra> elwarreno, ubuntu is built on IRC :)
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| 10:00 | <stgraber> ogra: g-s-t says nothing and exit :(
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| 10:00 | <elwarreno> fascinating
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| 10:00 | <dtrask> elwarreno: get used to it....it's the way LTSP and ubuntu communicate....join the ubuntu channel and watch the fun....too fast for me
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| 10:00 | <ogra> stgraber, try to start it through dbus-launch
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| 10:01 | dtrask, you should once come by on release day in #ubuntu-release-party ;)
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| 10:01 | <stgraber> ogra: same result
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| 10:01 | <ogra> weird
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| 10:01 | * dtrask can abuse himself in SW Harbor...no school again until wed | |
| 10:01 | <jammcq> whoa
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| 10:01 | nice
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| 10:01 | <stgraber> ogra: ah no, it actually started in the background this time .)
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| 10:01 | <dtrask> ogra: I bet....pretty insane huh?
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| 10:01 | <ogra> yeah
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| 10:01 | <chrisinajar> ogra: I was on the firefox channel durring the countdown for firefox 3, it was completely rediculous...
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| 10:02 | <stgraber> ogra: and ekiga works
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| 10:02 | <ogra> cool
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| 10:02 | <brendan0powers> dtrask: why no school till wednesday?
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| 10:02 | <chrisinajar> ogra: and the website broke like, an hour before launch :-P
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| 10:02 | * dtrask might get like Ragnar did last year LOL | |
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| 10:02 | <ogra> yeah, the ubuntu servers are unreachable for several days after release usually
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| 10:02 | <jammcq> dtrask: you sure that's a good idea?
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| 10:03 | <dtrask> brendan0powers: comp day on Monday in exchange for Parent conferences this week (eves) and then Veterans Day
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| 10:03 | <Blinny> Morning - I'm rolling out a new LTSP server this morning and am receiving lots of tftpd timeouts in /var/log/syslog
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| 10:03 | <dtrask> jammcq: good point....I'll stick to beer
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| 10:03 | <elwarreno> brendan has quite a drinking problem, don't incourage him
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| 10:03 | <dtrask> elwarreno: LOL
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| 10:03 | <ogra> elwarreno, dont get him to close to ragnar then
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| 10:03 | <dtrask> elwarreno: what....Mtn. Dew? LOL
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| 10:03 | <jammcq> or Gadi for that matter
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| 10:03 | <elwarreno> he likes his tequila
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| 10:04 | <stgraber> ogra: video not working, isn't ekiga supposed to support v4l2 ?
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| 10:04 | <ogra> stgraber, it is, but it somehow broke right before release, not sure what that is yet
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| 10:04 | voip wil work fine though
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| 10:05 | <stgraber> ogra: oh, it works, I was just missing the v4l2 lib for ekiga
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| 10:05 | <dtrask> stgraber: Ekiga on what? Works fine for me on my lappy using Intrepid
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| 10:05 | <ogra> but we pulled in some security fixes from fedora for v4l that seem to have broken everything
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| 10:05 | <dtrask> video and all
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| 10:05 | <ogra> dtrask, its realy a matter of the webcam you have
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| 10:05 | <dtrask> jammcq: Is Gadi coming?
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| 10:05 | <stgraber> dtrask: on a thin client
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| 10:05 | <jammcq> ubetcha
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| 10:05 | <ogra> dtrask, is whisky kosher ?
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| 10:06 | <ogra> what a question :)
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| 10:06 | <dtrask> stgraber: gotcha....I have a System76 Darter Ultra 2....they wrote or provided the driver for the webcam....lappy comes with ubuntu
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| 10:07 | <stgraber> dtrask: this one is uvcvideo, so works out of the box with v4l2, I was just missing v4l2 support it seems
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| 10:07 | <dtrask> ogra: long as it doesn't touch any pork? (actually dunno, but I've seen Gadi drink quite heavily....he's a riot when he gets going)
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| 10:07 | stgraber: hmmmm
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| 10:08 | <stgraber> ogra: did you get the call ?
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| 10:08 | ogra: looks like I'd have to play a bit with the NAT to make it work, or just use our asterisk
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| 10:08 | <ogra> stgraber, yeah, sorry didnt have my headset plugged in
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| 10:08 | <dtrask> LOL
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| 10:08 | whoops
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| 10:09 | <ogra> try again :)
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| 10:09 | <stgraber> ogra: I can hear you
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| 10:09 | <Blinny> !docs
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| 10:09 | <ltspbot> Blinny: "docs" is For the most current documentation, see http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LtspDocumentationUpstream
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| 10:09 | <ogra> stgraber, hmm, cant hear you
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| 10:10 | stgraber, probably pulse
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| 10:10 | on the client
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| 10:10 | <dtrask> brb....new class...4th graders....need to show them how to make a sprite interact with colors in SCRATCH
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| 10:10 | <stgraber> yeah, I'll start it using padsp, works for skype
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| 10:10 | <nubae> can one set nbd to use ext3?
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| 10:11 | <ogra> nubae, if you create an ext3 image, why not
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| 10:11 | you need to change the mount options in ltsp_nbd
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| 10:11 | <nubae> and then I can use that to do persistent changes on the client itself, right?
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| 10:11 | instead of rebuilding all the time
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| 10:12 | <ogra> well, it needs to be big enough
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| 10:12 | and indeed you need one image per client
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| 10:13 | stgraber, is your mic muted
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| 10:13 | ?
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| 10:13 | <nubae> right, just for testing though... after I can turn it back to mksquashfs
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| 10:13 | well, or rebuild it again
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| 10:14 | <Blinny> Wow - on this new server the 'Trying to load /pxelinux.cfg/***' takes a really long time to iterate through all the options. Any easy solution?
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| 10:14 | <nubae> big enough?
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| 10:20 | <dtrask> stgraber: what does padsp do? Is it a wrapper for pulseaudio?
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| 10:20 | <dtrask> stgraber: I remember esddsp
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| 10:20 | * dtrask I think | |
| 10:21 | <ogra> perfect !
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| 10:21 | so we have localapp support with ekiga on clients :)
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| 10:21 | dtrask, its very similar, yes
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| 10:21 | <Gadi> ogra: Ive had that since Breezy ;P
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| 10:22 | sorry - couldnt resist
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| 10:22 | <ogra> Gadi, in a default setup without much hackery ?
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| 10:22 | <Gadi> :)
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| 10:22 | <ogra> pfft
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| 10:22 | <dtrask> Gadi: LOL
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| 10:22 | ping elwarreno
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| 10:23 | <Gadi> sbalneav: the label printer likes USB - even with new jetpipe
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| 10:23 | so, at least we didnt break anything ;)
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| 10:23 | <dtrask> LOL
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| 10:23 | stgraber: thx
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| 10:24 | <rjune__> dtrask: howdy
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| 10:24 | <Gadi> barring having a useful test subject, I think I am gonna push this new jetpipe into an update and see if it makes the customer happy
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| 10:24 | :)
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| 10:24 | <dtrask> rjune__: dude!
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| 10:24 | <Gadi> man, some days I feel like M$
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| 10:24 | <ogra> Gadi, thats mean
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| 10:24 | <dtrask> rjune__: you should come back to Maine
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| 10:24 | <rjune__> one day I will
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| 10:25 | <ogra> oh, dont you guys have elections today ?
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| 10:25 | <dtrask> Gadi: you mean using M$ or you feel like throwing chairs and dancing like a monkeyboy (aka Balmer)
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| 10:25 | <ogra> .oO( why teh heck do they do that during teh week ?)
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| 10:25 | <dtrask> ogra: Yep....who do you want me to vote for
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| 10:25 | <Gadi> nah, like using users as test subjects ;)
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| 10:26 | <ogra> dtrask, the better one :)
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| 10:26 | <dtrask> ogra: thx...big help
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| 10:26 | <ogra> heh
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| 10:26 | <nubae> lesser of 2 evils
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| 10:26 | <Gadi> we should all write in jammcq
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| 10:26 | * dtrask is going to write in jammcq | |
| 10:26 | <Gadi> :)
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| 10:26 | <dtrask> LOL
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| 10:26 | <ogra> hehe
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| 10:27 | <jammcq> very funny
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| 10:28 | <dtrask> how about sbalneav...America's first Canadian president...to hell with the rules!
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| 10:28 | <jammcq> we don't need no stinkin rules
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| 10:30 | <cliebow> be the first time i vote FOR someone instead of against
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| 10:31 | <dtrask> so how are the voting line where you live?
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| 10:31 | * dtrask asks that question of anyone who can answer | |
| 10:31 | <jammcq> my wife waited 75 minutes
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| 10:32 | * dtrask is going to bring his n800 to play tetris | |
| 10:32 | <ogra> that gives you the proper GDR feeling :)
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| 10:32 | <jammcq> then as she was leaving, she called me to say the lines were much shorter. I got there and waited about 10 minutes
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| 10:32 | <dtrask> or surf via bluetooth
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| 10:32 | <ogra> though they waited 3h for one banana back then :)
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| 10:32 | <cliebow> should vote in southwest harbor..
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| 10:32 | <pscheie> I got to the poll about 9:30, took about 25 minutes, not bad
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| 10:32 | <dtrask> cliebow: yeah....all 3 of you can vote at once
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| 10:33 | <pscheie> I heard that folks who arrived at 6:30 took 90 minutes
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| 10:33 | <cliebow> hee!
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| 10:33 | * vagrantc lives somewhere where the postal system is trusted with ballots | |
| 10:33 | <dtrask> I'm going after school....thought about voting early (absentee) but there's something about being part of election day
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| 10:33 | <alkisg> Blinny, which tftp server are you using? Is it fast if used locally? (tftp localhost, fetch some big file).
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| 10:34 | * vagrantc doesn't trust it though | |
| 10:34 | <dtrask> vagrantc: Ok....that's pretty funny when you put it like that
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| 10:35 | * dtrask wonders if we'll really know who it is when we wake up tomorrow | |
| 10:35 | <dtrask> or will we wait for the Florida ballot examiners
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| 10:35 | well....off to lunch....
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| 10:52 | <devilbues> Hi, can anybody tell me how do I login to shell on ltsp5? It gives me "login incorrect" error
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| 10:54 | <nubae> devilbues: set the password in the chroot: sudo chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 passwd root
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| 10:55 | also unlock it: sudo chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 passwd -u
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| 10:55 | <Gadi> ogra: ltsp-client depends on acpid these days?
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| 10:55 | * Gadi has to get with the times | |
| 10:55 | <ogra> Gadi, it does since you complained
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| 10:55 | <vagrantc> devilbues: set SCREEN_NN=shell
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| 10:55 | <ogra> Gadi, which was during gutsy development i think
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| 10:55 | <Gadi> :)
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| 10:55 | hehe
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| 10:55 | was that me?
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| 10:55 | :)
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| 10:56 | <ogra> Gadi, and before acpid was a dep of ubuntu-minimal
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| 10:56 | <Gadi> yeah, well
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| 10:56 | <ogra> so it should always have been installed
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| 10:56 | <Gadi> I don't complain, I suggest in a completely transparent way that makes you feel foolish ;)
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| 10:57 | <ogra> right :)
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| 10:57 | * ogra gets a beer to get drunk and feel less foolish | |
| 11:00 | <devilbues> nubae: I've run sudo chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 passwd -u root , but it gives me user account expired
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| 11:02 | <ogra> devilbues, you need to set the pw after unlocking
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| 11:02 | <nubae> yeah I posted the wrong way round
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| 11:02 | <devilbues> ogra: done that
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| 11:03 | <ogra> and run ltsp-update-image
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| 11:03 | <vagrantc> don't forget chage
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| 11:03 | <nubae> chage? new command?
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| 11:03 | <vagrantc> there was a regression in debian that ubuntu pulled with "passwd -l" also expired accounts.
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| 11:03 | <ogra> chage ?
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| 11:03 | shouldnt -u do that ?
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| 11:03 | <vagrantc> and you need to use chage to unset the expiry
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| 11:04 | <ogra> ah
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| 11:04 | inherited breakage ... fun
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| 11:04 | <nubae> oh great thats a new one
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| 11:04 | <vagrantc> ogra: i think inherrited into an LTS release, no less.
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| 11:04 | <ogra> likely intrepid only though
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| 11:04 | <nubae> stops any normal user getting into chroot
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| 11:04 | <ogra> oh ? hardy as well ?
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| 11:04 | meh
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| 11:04 | * vagrantc prefers SCREEN_NN=shell anyways. | |
| 11:05 | <ogra> yeah, easier than re-rolling the image all the time
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| 11:05 | <nubae> vagrantc: what about users modifying their chroot?
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| 11:05 | <ogra> users ?
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| 11:05 | <vagrantc> ogra: it was fixed in 1:4.1.1-3 of shadow
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| 11:05 | <Gadi> ogra: do you have any local printers?
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| 11:05 | <nubae> bah k... h4korz
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| 11:06 | <vagrantc> nubae: what about it?
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| 11:06 | <ogra> Gadi, in ltsp ? not currently
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| 11:06 | <Gadi> ah ok
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| 11:06 | maybe I'll pastebin what we have in the channel, and if anyone wants to triple check that it doesnt break anything, that'd be great
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| 11:06 | <devilbues> ogra: chage tells me that the account never expires
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| 11:06 | <ogra> vagrantc, gah, 1:4.1.1-1ubuntu1
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| 11:07 | Gadi, throw it in
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| 11:07 | <nubae> well, in both hardy and intrepid, I did passwd -u and that fixed the password expiry thing
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| 11:07 | <vagrantc> ogra: in hardy?
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| 11:07 | <ltsppbot> "Gadi" pasted "jetpipe2 - The revenge of jetpipe" (200 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/89
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| 11:07 | <ogra> vagrantc, worse, intrepid
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| 11:08 | <nubae> y should the root password of the chroot be locked anyway?
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| 11:08 | <Gadi> I think it requires python-serial
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| 11:08 | <vagrantc> ogra: why is that worse?
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| 11:08 | <Gadi> dunno if that is in the chroot already
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| 11:08 | <vagrantc> ogra: intrepid only annoys you for 18 months.
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| 11:08 | <ogra> vagrantc, pfft
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| 11:08 | <vagrantc> ogra: looks like the bug was present since 1:4.0.18.1-10
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| 11:08 | <ogra> but wont see as much attention with SRUs
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| 11:09 | <vagrantc> so you've probably had it for a couple releases.
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| 11:09 | <ogra> Gadi, i doubt python-serial is there yet
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| 11:09 | Gadi, i'd prefer to keep the copyright notices together in one place
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| 11:10 | Gadi, also whats the license for that added parts ?
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| 11:10 | <sbalneav> Gadi: I'm still having a problem with @ltsp.org, could you mail to @legalaid.mb.ca?
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| 11:10 | <Gadi> sbalneav: sure
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| 11:10 | <sbalneav> get it working, BTW?
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| 11:11 | <sbalneav> I've been in a meeting most of the morning
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| 11:11 | <ogra> if devicename[:8] == '/dev/tty':
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| 11:11 | <Gadi> sbalneav: well, I tested that it didnt break anything
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| 11:11 | ie, USB printing works
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| 11:11 | <ogra> probably better to use .startswith
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| 11:11 | <Gadi> still working on testing serial properly
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| 11:11 | <sbalneav> it needs a LOT of cleanup
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| 11:12 | <Gadi> sbalneav: are you sbalneav@
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| 11:12 | ?
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| 11:12 | <sbalneav> Always
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| 11:12 | It was the first userid I ever got, and the only one I've ever had :)
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| 11:13 | <Gadi> sent
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| 11:13 | <vagrantc> in true unix form, missing a few letters!
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| 11:13 | <sbalneav> I have a hard enough time keeping multiple passwords in my head. Multiple userids? forget it.
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| 11:13 | <ogra> why is the whole fork mchanism commented ?
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| 11:13 | <sbalneav> First letter of first name, as many characters from the last name to round out to 8 characters :)
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| 11:13 | <jammcq> sbalneav: hey, just write them all down on sticky notes and stick them to your monitor, so you won't forget them
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| 11:14 | <Gadi> sbalneav: do I need to comment out all the comments to daemonize?
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| 11:14 | <sbalneav> ogra: for testing so we can see debugging output :)
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| 11:14 | <ogra> sbalneav, ah, i though you planned to keep it like that :)
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| 11:14 | <sbalneav> yep
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| 11:14 | <ogra> well, apart from the comments i made it looks good to me
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| 11:14 | * vagrantc has a different password for every tty | |
| 11:15 | <vagrantc> including psuedo-ttys
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| 11:15 | <jammcq> vagrantc: that's alot of sticky notes
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| 11:15 | <vagrantc> jammcq: yeah, had to get a larger screen
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| 11:15 | <devilbues> ogra: it doesn't work, logiin incorrect
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| 11:16 | <vagrantc> and lower my effective resolution to 320x240
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| 11:16 | <ogra> sbalneav, Gadi oh, you should probably use the optionparser module instead of getopt
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| 11:16 | <vagrantc> y'all re-implementing jetpipe in python again or something?
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| 11:16 | <sbalneav> we just stole that from the example program, yeah, we should do a lot of cleanup
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| 11:17 | <ogra> vagrantc, just adding serial support to make Gadi happy
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| 11:17 | <sbalneav> I'd love to see some syslogging, and a lot more exception handling
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| 11:18 | <vagrantc> it's very important to keep Gadi happy.
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| 11:18 | <vagrantc> or else!
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| 11:18 | * sbalneav racks his brain | |
| 11:18 | <Gadi> hehe
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| 11:18 | well, its the little things
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| 11:18 | <sbalneav> So, correct me if I'm wrong
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| 11:18 | <Gadi> that we keep on the backburner
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| 11:18 | until my customers need them
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| 11:18 | :D
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| 11:18 | <hanthana_> guys
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| 11:19 | i am new to ltsp
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| 11:19 | <sbalneav> we've got a HUGE amount of stuff that's over-and-above what was in 4.2... but I think serial support for printing's like the LAST thing that "was in 4.2 that isn't in 5"
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| 11:19 | <hanthana_> how may collect more information on implementation,etc
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| 11:19 | <ogra> sbalneav, yeah
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| 11:19 | <sbalneav> !doco
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| 11:19 | <ltspbot> sbalneav: "doco" is you can find the link to the latest, and most current upstream documentation at: http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LtspDocumentationUpstream
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| 11:20 | <sbalneav> hanthana_: check there
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| 11:20 | <vagrantc> that and absurdly fast boot times
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| 11:20 | <ogra> vagrantc, we'll get there
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| 11:20 | <ogra> vagrantc, jaunty is supposed to add insanely fast boottimes ... only a matter f time that this then enters sid :)
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| 11:20 | <sbalneav> For my boxes, it's only taking about 35 seconds.
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| 11:21 | <ogra> sbalneav, 35 secs ... pffft
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| 11:21 | <sbalneav> I think the single biggest slowdown now seems to be udev, when it's enumerating devices.
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| 11:21 | <ogra> we're aiming at 20 or less
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| 11:21 | <ogra> you can pull out the udevadm settle call fro the initscript
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| 11:21 | then it wont wait
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| 11:22 | <hanthana> thanks sbalneav :)
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| 11:22 | <dtrask> ogra: just curious....what do you see as being the magic pill for acheiving these insane 10 second boot times?
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| 11:22 | <ogra> but be careful, on very fat HW that produces races
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| 11:22 | dtrask, i didnt say 10 :)
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| 11:22 | <hanthana> sbalneav: any specific mailing list?
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| 11:22 | <ogra> 10 isnt possible
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| 11:22 | <dtrask> ogra: oops...sorry....20
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| 11:22 | * jammcq wonders if those insanely fast boot times will also work on thin clients | |
| 11:22 | <sbalneav> hanthana: ltsp-discuss at sourceforge
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| 11:22 | <ogra> jammcq, they will
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| 11:23 | <dtrask> jammcq: now THAT would be cool
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| 11:23 | <warren> you need hardware specific builds of the kernel
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| 11:23 | <sbalneav> what have they been tweaking? udev?
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| 11:23 | <hanthana> thanks sbalneav
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| 11:23 | <warren> sbalneav: mainly kernel
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| 11:23 | <ogra> Keybuk is currently working on a scheme to merge modues into classified binary blobs that merge with the kernel binary on boot for example
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| 11:23 | *modules
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| 11:23 | <jammcq> hmm, cool
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| 11:23 | <ogra> that means no modprobe at all
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| 11:23 | <warren> classified binary blobs?
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| 11:23 | <ogra> yeah
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| 11:23 | <jammcq> ok, lunch time
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| 11:24 | see ya'll in a bit
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| 11:24 | <dtrask> ogra: LOL...binary blobs....is that a new term?
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| 11:24 | <devilbues> can anybody help me, I can't login to shell
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| 11:24 | <ogra> warren, images with clases of drivers
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| 11:24 | <jammcq> and if you are coming to BTS, PLEASE sign up on the wiki page: http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/ByTheSea2008
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| 11:24 | <warren> classified binary blobs sounds like government secrets and GPL violations =)
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| 11:24 | <sbalneav> When I actually look at an ltsp workstation booting, it spends pretty much all it's time booting the kernel and enumerating udev. Once it starts actually RUNNING the ltsp stuff, it's faster than anything.
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| 11:24 | <warren> The NSA backdoor spying code is in userspace, not kernel. Duh.
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| 11:25 | <ogra> warren, on first boot you profile your system and greate a binary image of the .o files ... on second boot these get merged as needed
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| 11:25 | <sbalneav> warren: Well, if it's userspace, then kill -9 should take care of it :_
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| 11:25 | :)
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| 11:25 | <ogra> no more insmod or modprobe
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| 11:25 | only for dynamically added HW
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| 11:25 | <sbalneav> devilbues: What are you trying to do?
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| 11:26 | <ogra> that should circumvent the whole coldplug mechanism
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| 11:26 | which is the part taking most time
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| 11:26 | beyond that we are looing into squashfs initramfs instead of using cramfs
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| 11:26 | <devilbues> sbalneav: I want to login to shell, and it gives me login incorrect, I changed the root password and unlocked it, but it doesn't work
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| 11:27 | <ogra> that should be only taking 1/3 of the time to uncompress
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| 11:27 | <sbalneav> devilbues: Did you rebuild the image and reboot?
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| 11:27 | (the thin client, I mean)
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| 11:27 | <devilbues> yed I did
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| 11:27 | <ogra> and followed vagrantc's suggestion to use chage
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| 11:27 | <sbalneav> Can you tell me the steps you took to accomplish this?
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| 11:27 | <ogra> ?
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| 11:28 | <sbalneav> Should be:
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| 11:28 | chroot /opt/ltsp/i386
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| 11:28 | passwd -u root
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| 11:28 | exit
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| 11:28 | ltsp-update-image
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| 11:28 | reboot workstation
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| 11:29 | <devilbues> ogra: I've run chage, but I don't see what exactly what I have to do
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| 11:29 | the account doesn't have expiration date
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| 11:30 | <ogra> chage -E -1
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| 11:30 | i'd guess
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| 11:30 | or -I -1
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| 11:30 | <sbalneav> I've always just done passwd -u
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| 11:31 | <ogra> sbalneav, apparently that doesnt work anymore according to vagrantc
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| 11:31 | <devilbues> ogra: nopes
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| 11:31 | <sbalneav> Or, just manually change the line to read root:<passwd>:::::
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| 11:31 | <ogra> eeek
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| 11:31 | <devilbues> ogra: the idea is to set a expire date, right
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| 11:32 | ?
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| 11:32 | <sbalneav> root:<pw>:::::::
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| 11:32 | <ogra> devilbues, no
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| 11:33 | devilbues, vagrantc probably knows the bug#
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| 11:33 | <sbalneav> If you're having trouble, just manually edit the /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/shadow file
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| 11:33 | <ogra> i dont
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| 11:33 | sbalneav, !!
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| 11:33 | sbalneav, no beer for you today !
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| 11:33 | <alkisg> ogra, why, I've always done that since hardy... chage, pfff.... vi is better! :)
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| 11:33 | <sbalneav> ogra: You forget, I was doing unix when all you COULD do was manually edit the file!!!
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| 11:34 | <ogra> sbalneav, right, but its a bad advise :)
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| 11:34 | always use the tools that apply chacks to your changes
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| 11:34 | *checks
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| 11:34 | <devilbues> ogra: I don't care as long it works
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| 11:34 | :)
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| 11:35 | <ogra> well, passwd -u and setting the pw afterwards always worked for me
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| 11:35 | and apparently for sbalneav as well
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| 11:35 | <devilbues> ogra: maybe I should upgrade to 8.10
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| 11:36 | I'm still using 8.04
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| 11:36 | <ogra> according to vagrantc that wont change a thing
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| 11:36 | since the fix isnt even in 8.10
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| 11:36 | <ogra> was apparently just recently added in debian
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| 11:36 | <alkisg> ogra, in hardy I had the "root account expired" problem, I didn't have it in 8.10
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| 11:36 | <ogra> alkisg, ah, good to know
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| 11:37 | <alkisg> (I didn't know about passwd -u and chage so I edited shadow manually - bad for me)
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| 11:37 | <ogra> i think we call passwd -u in the rootpw plugin
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| 11:37 | in intrepid
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| 11:37 | <alkisg> oh, I'm always using --prompt-rootpass
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| 11:38 | <ogra> aha
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| 11:41 | <nubae> just tested in intrepid and passwd -u is no longer required there it seems
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| 11:41 | <ogra> yeah, stgraber added some fix iirc
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| 11:41 | <devilbues> that's it, I'm upgrading to intrepid, it doesn't work :(
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| 11:42 | <ogra> if you do that anyway, just use --prompt-rootpass for the client build :)
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| 11:43 | note that you need to make some modifications to make update-manager offer you the upgrade
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| 11:43 | https://help.ubuntu.com/community/IntrepidUpgrades
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| 11:44 | <devilbues> thanks guys
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| 11:44 | I'll check it out
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| 12:03 | <devilbues> Well it worked with --prompt-rootpass, thanks :)
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| 12:18 | <Lns> Hey fellow ltsp friends
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| 12:19 | <babyhuey> anyone know why i would be getting "khelper blocked for more than 120 seconds" when i try to boot my ltsp client on a fresh ubuntu 8.10 install?
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| 12:24 | <Lns> Can anyone comment on this thread? http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?thread_name=48CE65D600038BC2%40mail-h3g-1.mail.tiscali.sys&forum_name=ltsp-discuss
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| 12:38 | <alkisg> Lns, I think you should use wireshark or something for the dhcp packets... Or also try strace gnome-terminal, to see where the lag happens... Just an idea, this is way over my head.
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| 12:39 | <Lns> alkisg: thanks for the input.. Yeah, wireshark might help I guess, but stracing gnome-terminal wouldn't, since I'm logging onto a text-mode tty where the lag happens (as well as GDM)
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| 12:39 | The thing is, daemon.log on the server shows everything dhcp is doing, the client just isn't accepting the offers.
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| 12:40 | Not sure what I'd be looking for w/wireshark really
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| 12:40 | <alkisg> Is this while rom-booting or later in initramfs?
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| 12:40 | <Lns> first dhcp request during pxe
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| 12:40 | right after post
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| 12:41 | I'm thinking to downgrade my kernel to -19 to see if that eliminates the problem
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| 12:41 | <alkisg> You could e.g. see in wireshark that the client pings to see if someone else has the assigned IP, and if it gets an echo, it refuses to take it
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| 12:41 | or that the dhcp-server logs, but doesn't actually send the packets, I don't know...
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| 12:41 | <Lns> alkisg: well that's dhcpd's job isn't it?
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| 12:41 | right
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| 12:41 | hrm...
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| 12:42 | <Lns> I'm gonna downgrade to linux-image-2.6.24-16-server i think and see..for some reason i think this is a kernel issue
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| 12:42 | that's easy enough to do remotely anyway ;)
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| 12:43 | <alkisg> "As a consistency check, the allocating server SHOULD probe the reused address before allocating the address, e.g., with an ICMP echo request, and the client SHOULD probe the newly received address, e.g., with ARP."
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| 12:44 | So it's possible that clients decline the offers
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| 12:44 | <nubae> heya Lns...
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| 12:44 | so, trouble in paradise eh?
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| 12:45 | <Lns> nubae: far from paradise ;)
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| 12:46 | Basically it's the SECOND time I boot the set of thin-clients (reboot after hitting ldm) that the issue crops up
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| 12:46 | All 8 of the clients boot up fine first time, second time, not a one of them will get dhcp
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| 12:47 | <nubae> so a problem with the dhcp leases
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| 12:47 | <Lns> nubae: it seems so.. but afaik dhcpd hasn't been upgraded in a while
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| 12:48 | <nubae> I guess u have tried deleting the lease cache
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| 12:48 | <Lns> I haven't actually
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| 12:48 | <nubae> cause if that worked a script might help
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| 12:48 | try it
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| 12:48 | <Lns> ok
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| 12:49 | <Blinny> When enabling logging to the LTSP server, is it normal for kernel messages from a booting client to come in about one every 2 seconds? I'm still getting the kernel boot output from the client 10 minutes after the client has booted.
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| 12:51 | <alkisg> Lns, also, if the dhcp server takes a long time to respond (I'm thinking about the lag issue), the clients won't accept it because they may have had issued a different request with a new "xid" field
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| 12:51 | (but this would be maybe > 5 seconds...)
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| 12:52 | <Lns> alkisg: the clients wait about 30 seconds before timing out
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| 12:52 | especially long timeout in my experience with other pxe clients
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| 12:52 | <alkisg> Lns, yes, but they do 3-4 dhcp offers in the meantime
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| 12:52 | <Lns> alkisg: right..and i see that in the logs
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| 12:53 | <alkisg> So if the server answers,, say, 10 seconds later, they may not accept the offer
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| 12:53 | <Lns> nubae: if i delete the leases file, the clients with current leases are going to have issues with newly created leases aren't they?
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| 12:54 | <Lns> hold on..phone w/onsite tech
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| 12:54 | <nubae> no idea, u could delete just the leases of rebooted clients
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| 12:56 | <nubae> Lns: other thing is, u have all your hosts declared in /etc/hosts?
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| 12:56 | <Lns> nubae: nope, never did that
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| 12:57 | (hosts declarations)
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| 12:57 | <nubae> I use that
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| 12:57 | and dont get the problems u've mentioned
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| 12:57 | * alkisg also has the server kernel, doesn't use /etc/hosts, and doesn't have this problem.. :( | |
| 12:58 | <nubae> u dont use: get-lease-hostnames true; ?
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| 12:59 | <alkisg> nubae, no, I don't even have a dns server (on one of my setups)
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| 12:59 | <Lns> nubae: nope, never uncommented that
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| 12:59 | ther'es a new post that might point to an issue
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| 13:00 | regarding remote syslogging (that i coincidentally enabled recently)
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| 13:00 | <nubae> think he's talking about something different
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| 13:00 | <Lns> http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?thread_name=491098D6.3050505%40interfree.it&forum_name=ltsp-discuss
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| 13:02 | <nubae> yeah just read that, but sounds like his issue seems different from yours
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| 13:02 | <ogra> totally
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| 13:02 | is your loopback device up and existing ?
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| 13:02 | <Lns> ogra: yep
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| 13:02 | <ogra> do you probably have a weird GW entry in the dhcpd.conf ?
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| 13:03 | <jportilla> Hi, somebod than speak spanish. I need a little help with the x11vnc
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| 13:03 | <ogra> so the clients try to go through a GW thats nonexistent or some such
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| 13:03 | <nubae> yo hablo Espanol... cual es el problema?
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| 13:03 | <Lns> ogra: nope, i haven't changed that and the gateway hasn't changed..
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| 13:04 | <nubae> que version de LTSP y que distribucion?
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| 13:04 | <jportilla> Gracias nubae, es que estoy tratando de controlar remotamente una terminal con el vnc
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| 13:04 | <ogra> hmm, probably the new kernel has new security features ...
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| 13:04 | <jportilla> Tengo el LTSP 5 trabajando con Debian
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| 13:05 | Segui los pasos que aparecen aqui https://wiki.edubuntu.org/InstallX11VncOnLtspClients
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| 13:05 | <ogra> Lns, did yu ask in #ubuntu-kernel (if you are sure the kernel was the only thing that got updated)
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| 13:05 | <Lns> ogra: no, tried #ubuntu-server but not -kernel...i know the kernel wasn't the only thing that got upgraded.. but it's the only thing i can think of that would cause that kind of havok on the server console as well as the thin clients
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| 13:06 | i could be wrong though
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| 13:06 | <nubae> jportilla: thin client manager ya no es soportado
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| 13:06 | usa iTalc
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| 13:06 | <Lns> I also see ufw is installed...i never installed that dommit
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| 13:06 | don't know if that would cause a *second* boot to fail dhcp though
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| 13:06 | <ogra> its included by defult since hardy
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| 13:06 | <nubae> does ufw come standard now in ubuntu?
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| 13:06 | ah thought so
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| 13:06 | <Lns> ah, not enabled though by default
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| 13:06 | <ogra> the gui is new in intrepid
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| 13:07 | but ufw is there since hardy
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| 13:07 | <nubae> yeah, thats pretty cute
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| 13:07 | <ogra> yup
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| 13:07 | <jportilla> Perfecto nubae voy a probarlo muchas gracias
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| 13:07 | <nubae> Is Italc the latest in intrepid?
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| 13:07 | <ogra> yes
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| 13:07 | <nubae> jportilla: usas ubuntu o debian?
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| 13:08 | Lns: deleting leases didnt work?
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| 13:08 | <Lns> nubae: haven't done that yet, the tech is doing other things and i'm gonna be changing the ip of the ltsp server too
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| 13:08 | there he is..hold on
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| 13:08 | <jportilla> Nubae Debian
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| 13:10 | <nubae> vale, mira que version de italc se instala, necesitaras la version 1.0.9
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| 13:11 | si quieres las ultimas novedades y simplicidad de instalacion
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| 13:15 | <Lns> nubae: i'm going to run to the site real quick (10min away).
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| 13:16 | I'll be back on here if the couple things (turn off syslog to server, chg ip addy on ltsp, delete leases) doesn't work :) Thanks so much for your help, you too ogra & alkisg
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| 13:16 | Gotta migrate to new ip anyway
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| 13:16 | * nubae keeps fingers crossed | |
| 13:16 | <Lns> Not that that will help the situation, but it's a good thing they're all down right now :p
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| 13:17 | <alkisg> Lns, also
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| 13:17 | try to get a lease from a real client when the problem occurs
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| 13:17 | <Lns> alkisg: you know, i think it's only the pxe clients that have the issue but i might be wrong
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| 13:17 | <Lns> i see plenty of DHCPACKs to normal clients
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| 13:17 | <alkisg> Lns, good luck!
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| 13:17 | <Lns> thx
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| 13:20 | <warren> jammcq: ping
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| 13:20 | _UsUrPeR_: ping
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| 13:20 | <jammcq> pong
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| 13:20 | <_UsUrPeR_> plop
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| 13:20 | <warren> http://www.disklessworkstations.com/cgi-bin/web/info/dlw_t1422.html 256MB flash, does it show up as an IDE disk?
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| 13:21 | not mtd flash?
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| 13:22 | <jammcq> warren: I know nothing of that
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| 13:23 | <_UsUrPeR_> warren: yes, it shows up as an IDE drive, but the image is not writeable
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| 13:25 | why do you ask?
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| 13:26 | <warren> _UsUrPeR_: not writable?
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| 13:26 | _UsUrPeR_: one customer is looking at Wyse clients with the intention of writing their own "firmware" onto flash
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| 13:27 | which makes it entirely pointless to buy Wyse
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| 13:28 | _UsUrPeR_: the flash is write once?
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| 13:28 | <_UsUrPeR_> The image is written as a RO filesystem. Just spoke with etyack to get my facts straight about this
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| 13:29 | it uses a ramfs for and temp files, this keeps the amount of write cycles on the flash down, we assume due to the fact that the amount of re-writes is finite
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| 13:30 | "for and temp files" = "for any temp files"
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| 13:30 | <warren> _UsUrPeR_: ok, but the entire OS can be replaced
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| 13:30 | <_UsUrPeR_> correct.
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| 13:39 | <babyhuey> ug this crap is upsetting me
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| 13:53 | <Lns_onsite> Hey all
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| 13:55 | <chrisinajar> Lns_onsite: hello
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| 13:59 | <nubae> hey, so how goes it?
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| 14:03 | <Lns_onsite> nubae: same deal, deleted leases, turned off syslog to server..still, when rebooting it won't get an IP
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| 14:03 | lemme paste the chroot dmesg..when some boot, they always hang at "loading hardware drivers" - there's a flash card on these TCs and i'd like to disable the loading of that (but keep localdev on)
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| 14:04 | <ltsppbot> "Lns" pasted "dmesg on TC chroot" (331 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/90
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| 14:05 | <Lns_onsite> I've got no idea where exactly it hangs at "Loading hardware drivers".. but again, it's kind of inbetween that issue and them not getting a DHCP addy at first PXE boot at all. First time booting up (after say 10min) it's fine though, they get an IP within a few secnods
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| 14:06 | it's almost like a broadcast storm is preventing things, but again, at the local server console things tend to lock up as well (such as restarting DHCP server took ~1.5min, hangs at "Stopping DHCP server" and then hung again at "Starting")
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| 14:06 | s/first PXE boot/second PXE boot/
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| 14:07 | <nubae> and u've monitored whats happening to the packets on the network?
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| 14:07 | like is there a spike or something
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| 14:08 | <Lns_onsite> I haven't..for some reason syslog ..ah crap lemme turn it of in /etc/default/syslogd
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| 14:08 | still logging on the serer
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| 14:08 | server*
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| 14:09 | ok brb gonna test again
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| 14:14 | <Lns_onsite> success!!!
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| 14:15 | Remote syslog was preventing everything from coming back up.
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| 14:15 | <Gadi> yeah remote logging sucks
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| 14:15 | use only for debug
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| 14:15 | :)
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| 14:15 | (now he says something....)
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| 14:15 | ;)
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| 14:15 | <Lns_onsite> Gadi: hahaha..i know, i should have listened to you
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| 14:16 | <Gadi> Lns_onsite: dont worry - nobody listens to me
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| 14:16 | <Lns_onsite> I wonder why it would cause that issue though?
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| 14:16 | <Gadi> and yet, they like to make me happy
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| 14:16 | weird, no?
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| 14:17 | <Lns_onsite> Gadi: i always listen to you =) you're awesome
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| 14:17 | <Gadi> aww, shucks - does that mean you wont make me happy?
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| 14:17 | <Lns_onsite> What would remote syslog be doing that's exausting server resources ?
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| 14:17 | <Gadi> think network
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| 14:17 | every syslog entry uses dns
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| 14:18 | so, dns issues get magnified
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| 14:18 | <Lns_onsite> oh
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| 14:18 | heh, ogra and vagrantc mentioned dns but i didn't think of it in that context
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| 14:18 | <Gadi> if you have dns issues with the clients, that can bog things down big time
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| 14:18 | <Lns_onsite> plus the DNS servers are on the WAN, not local
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| 14:18 | <Gadi> you know how syslog says: <servername>: blah
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| 14:18 | or: <hostname>: blah
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| 14:19 | it does a get_hostname lookup for every message
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| 14:19 | and you cannot turn it off
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| 14:19 | <Lns_onsite> yeah
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| 14:19 | <Gadi> kinda sucks
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| 14:19 | word has it there is another syslog server that doesnt use dns (or can turn it off)
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| 14:20 | <Lns_onsite> well TY you guys .. i'm glad i got this resolved quickly
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| 14:20 | now onto the other bugs! ;)
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| 14:21 | * Lns_onsite waves | |
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| 14:21 | <jammcq> Lns_onsite: i've not been watching the conversation, but did you just fix that slow bootup on 2nd boot issue?
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| 14:21 | damn
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| 14:21 | 1 second too late :)
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| 14:23 | <Gadi> thats what yo mama's fatty client said
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| 14:26 | <babyhuey> wish my thin client werent so slow
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| 14:36 | <nubae> I suppose if one had a seperate logging server it would be ok
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| 14:36 | <Lns> jammcq: yes, the not-getting-dhcp-on-second-boot was fixed by disabling remote syslog in /etc/default/syslogd.
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| 14:36 | <jammcq> wow
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| 14:37 | freaky
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| 14:37 | * Lns goes to put a "big fat warning" on the wiki | |
| 14:37 | <nubae> it kind of makes sense, all the clients doing dns queries... maybe putting host declarations would help though
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| 14:38 | <Lns> Now I need to troubleshoot my root (no pun int) issue, which was nbd_swap hanging the server when > 3 clients are booted at once (w/SIZE=256, default of 32 seems to work better)
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| 14:39 | * Lns wonders why dns queries are used when lts.conf SERVER=IP.ADD.RES.S is used | |
| 14:39 | <vagrantc> it's the reverse DNS, probably ... i.e. the syslogd is trying to figure out the DNS name for the ip addresses it's logging for
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| 14:40 | <nubae> then adding all the hosts to the servers /etc/hosts would help
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| 14:40 | <vagrantc> an ugly workaround is to put fake hostnames into the server's /etc/hosts for each ip address of the thin-=clients...
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| 14:40 | <Lns> ah
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| 14:41 | yes, that makes sense
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| 14:41 | <vagrantc> for i in $(seq 100 250) ; do echo 192.168.0.$i ltsp$i ; done
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| 14:41 | adjust for your network settings, of course.
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| 14:42 | <Lns> vagrantc: the thing is, the physical TCs are labelled.. I'd have to give them all static leases in dhcpd.conf
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| 14:42 | which isn't an issue besides it being kinda tedious
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| 14:42 | <vagrantc> nah.
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| 14:43 | i mean, the labels won't really break anything, will they?
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| 14:43 | <Lns> not technically, just logically
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| 14:43 | <nubae> wont even show on the terminals unless u stick -use-host-declaraions on in dhcpd.conf
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| 14:43 | <vagrantc> Lns: could just pull off the labels :)
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| 14:43 | <Lns> which is important to the teachers/students/troubleshooting process when they tell me "AC18 is acting up" and I know where it is in the lab
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| 14:43 | lol
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| 14:44 | <vagrantc> use virtual labels.
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| 14:44 | * Lns opts for static leases ;) | |
| 14:44 | <Lns> ooooo
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| 14:44 | wouldn't that be awesome, a little embedded LCD on the TC that displays IP
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| 14:44 | <nubae> well u can still write a script for that too, just use AC instead of ltsp
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| 14:45 | <Lns> nubae: right, but the point was that the TCs are physically labelled and the numbers wouldn't match up to the IPs in /etc/hosts
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| 14:45 | s/numbers/hostnames
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| 14:45 | it's really moot, but i know it would confuse the onsite people
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| 14:45 | <nubae> so just label them in /etc/host with ip: ac18 = myipnumber
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| 14:45 | I mean instaed of ac18
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| 14:46 | and pulll of the labels :p
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| 14:46 | <Lns> i can't do that unfortunately :)
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| 14:46 | they use the labels to tell students where to sit
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| 14:50 | You know what would be nice is to put some sort of functionality into ltsp's dhcpd.conf, an 'include /etc/ltsp/known_hosts.txt' or similar and a script like what vagrantc suggested to populate the file for fixed leases..just a thought
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| 14:51 | <nubae> well u can do that via mac:address
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| 14:51 | <vagrantc> Lns: the acNN doesn't need to be in sync with the hostname...
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| 14:51 | <Lns> vagrantc: i know it doesn't need to, but it would be cleaner
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| 14:51 | * vagrantc doesn't think it's worth maintaining static entries in dhcpd.conf | |
| 14:52 | <nubae> vagrantc: depends on what u are doing... but for various chroot configs its important
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| 14:52 | <Lns> nubae: right, think about local printers
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| 14:53 | At my own office I use IPCop's dhcpd, so it's easy to create fixed addresses on existing leases, but everyone's setup is different
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| 14:53 | I dunno, a bit of manual labor isn't a bad thing imho. I'm sure it's not needed in ltsp's core code
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| 14:55 | <nubae> well it can be scripted in the same way as the /etc/hosts leases
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| 14:58 | <Lns> nubae: true true
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| 14:59 | <nubae> damn I hate moodle sometimes
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| 15:02 | <Lns> nubae: aww, you're still working on that huh?
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| 15:02 | It's like a dysfunctional relationship between you and moodle :p
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| 15:13 | <Lns> Is there a way to selectively disable the hardware probing of local storage (in my case a CF card in the TC) ? I suspect, but am not sure, that this is causing the TC to hang for about 10-15 seconds during bootup. There's no need to have it enabled.
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| 15:13 | I know it's not accessible (via appendix I in ltsp upstream docs) but i'd like to try and disable the probing upon bootup all together
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| 15:15 | <nubae> yeah a clinic wants to totally customise the thing, and I can forsee this taking months... I'm out of my element... I want to be working on LTSP :-(
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| 15:16 | blacklist the moduel Lns
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| 15:16 | * Lns pats nubae on the back | |
| 15:16 | <nubae> the driver
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| 15:16 | <Lns> nubae: nbd doesn't use scsi emulation or anything like that right? The CF is being detected as sdX
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| 15:16 | and hopefully that wouldn't interfere with USB sticks
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| 15:17 | usb storage uses scsi emulation too iirc
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| 15:17 | <nubae> yeah it does
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| 15:17 | so does sata
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| 15:17 | <Lns> so blacklisting the module probably wouldn't work
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| 15:17 | unless i can give a UID or something
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| 15:17 | <nubae> well u can test it
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| 15:18 | <Lns> i was just curious if there was a quickfix i hadn't heard of..i'm not gonna test that out right now, have to fix too many other things :) ty though
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| 15:21 | hrm, seems like putting "sda=noprobe" might be a way of accomplishing that
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| 15:21 | in menu.lst
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| 15:21 | <nubae> there ya go
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| 15:22 | <Lns> as long as the USB sticks don't sequentially get probed as sda by doing that
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| 15:29 | <Lns> Anyone want to comment on using "elevator=deadline" as an I/O scheduler for LTSP servers ? I know someone here (forgot who, sorry :( ) said that using this scheduler greatly improves multiuser server performance
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| 15:33 | From http://www.wlug.org.nz/LinuxIoScheduler : "The deadline scheduler implements request merging, a one-way elevator, and imposes a deadline on all operations to prevent resource starvation. Because writes return instantly within Linux, with the actual data being held in cache, the deadline scheduler will also prefer readers – as long as the deadline for a write request hasn't passed. The kernel docs suggest this is the preferred scheduler for database systems,
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| 15:33 | especially if you have TCQ aware disks, or any system with high disk performance."
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| 15:35 | <shogunx> hi guys got LTSP a good plug in a story on the SolarNetOne: http://www.linux.com/feature/151362
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| 15:36 | <Lns> He has a beard too! :p
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| 15:39 | <nubae> shogunx: I had a question about that actually
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| 15:39 | does the poe work for all clients and monitors?
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| 15:40 | ie, can u power the tfts with usb or something?
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| 15:40 | <jammcq> shogunx: is that you in the video?
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| 15:40 | <shogunx> thats me
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| 15:41 | <jammcq> cool
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| 15:41 | your work is amazing
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| 15:41 | <nubae> indeed
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| 15:41 | <jammcq> gives me goose bumps
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| 15:41 | <shogunx> the latest version of the PoE can power anything that runs on 12VDC, but its not really PoE anymore. there are dedicated power wires.
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| 15:41 | hey thanks Jim. could not have done it without you;)
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| 15:43 | <nubae> so you power the tfts from a seperate plug coming from the ethernet lead, or from the thin client via usb?
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| 15:43 | <Lns> shogunx: wow, multi-kilometer omnidirectional wifi antenna? crazy! can the other end be omnidirectional as well?
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| 15:44 | I'd think there'd be a yagi in there somewhere..
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| 15:44 | <shogunx> nubae, there are two cables in seperate jackets that share an edge, if that makes sense. one jacket has cat5 in it, and the other has 2 pairs of #16awg
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| 15:44 | <nubae> yeah gotcha
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| 15:45 | <shogunx> Lns it _can_ be omni if necessary, but I would recommend a panel, parabolic, or yagi directional if the remote node is not to be a repeater. in other words, omni for backbone buildout, and directional for client stations.
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| 15:46 | <nubae> shogunx: have u talked to OLPC and sugarlabs?
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| 15:46 | <Lns> shogunx: gotcha. you mean directional for backbone though i'm sure
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| 15:46 | <shogunx> talked to OLPC. Blestias and a couple others.
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| 15:47 | <Lns> shogunx: very awesome project. You're doing a great thing out there =)
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| 15:47 | <shogunx> Lns if its a point to point repeater hop... say i have to go 100km, then yes. 2 directionals per hop.
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| 15:48 | omni if i want to add another service area. sometimes we would go with multiple radios and a combo on the antennae.
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| 15:48 | thanx:)
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| 15:48 | <nubae> ah I see the olpc xo in the video :-)
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| 15:48 | <Lns> woo, FidoNet is mentioned! =p
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| 15:49 | * Lns remembers configuring backdoor BBS fido client | |
| 15:50 | <Lns> err..frontdoor i think
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| 15:51 | <nubae> shogunx: u've set up ejabberd to allow colaboration?
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| 15:52 | damn... dream project indeed
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| 15:53 | <shogunx> nubae, mailing list, wiki, irc server mostly
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| 15:54 | <nubae> ejabberd will help with meshing multiple sites with xos and other sugar running computers
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| 15:54 | <jammcq> shogunx: are there real deployments of this?
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| 15:55 | <shogunx> ya. one at katsina state u in northern nigeria, another going live soon in tunis, and 2 waiting to ship to Kalele, Benin. another on the table for Palawan, Phillipines.
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| 15:55 | <jammcq> wow, way cool
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| 15:55 | <Lns> woohoo!
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| 15:56 | <shogunx> ejabberd is a pretty good idea... will have to implement that.
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| 15:56 | <Lns> open source software, renewable energy, connecting people with technology... *drools*
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| 15:57 | <nubae> shogunx: I'Ve got instructions here:
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| 15:57 | !sugar
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| 15:57 | <ltspbot> nubae: "sugar" is for anyone curious, this is how to get sugar, ejabberd and collaboration working perfectly on LTSP: http://www.nubae.com/sugar-on-ltsp-ubuntu-intrepid-ibex
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| 15:57 | <shogunx> its been lots of fun, but not without some stress and darned hard work.
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| 15:57 | <nubae> I use that for a local deployment here, but not nearly as cool as solar powered
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| 15:57 | <shogunx> customs in some of these places can be a nightmare.
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| 15:58 | hopefully i can turn on a US market for this.
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| 15:58 | <nubae> for sure... I thought about that... computer camps are perfect for this
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| 15:58 | <shogunx> use some of the revenue to help subsidize the developing nation deployments
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| 15:58 | <nubae> set up shop outdoors in the spring and summer
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| 15:59 | <shogunx> i have ridden out 2 hurricanes with the prototype.
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| 15:59 | <nubae> hehe really?
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| 15:59 | on purpose?
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| 15:59 | <Lns> Hey, there's a redundant wind energy possibility there ;)
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| 16:00 | <shogunx> they hit here... everything around me went down, but my dns, mx, http, etc all stayed up. never missed a beat as far as the internet was concerned.
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| 16:00 | :) with redundant wind it would be absolutely bulletproof.
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| 16:00 | <Lns> shogunx: wow, the vsat dish didn't move eh?
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| 16:01 | <shogunx> ground mount with a bunch of concrete.
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| 16:01 | <Lns> or was that out of harm's way
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| 16:01 | nice =)
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| 16:01 | <shogunx> altho the main link via cable never went down either... just the power grid.
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| 16:02 | <nubae> nice test environment
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| 16:02 | <Lns> take that, microsoft/google shipping container server farms!
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| 16:03 | <nubae> its wonderful that ltsp is able to do such wonderful things... its like the center of technology
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| 16:03 | all nodes come from here, heh
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| 16:05 | <Lns> all your node are belong to us!
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| 16:11 | <alkisg> Lns, an alternative to static dhcp entries is pxelinux.cfg/mac-address-entries with contents "ip=<ip>:<server>:<gw>:<mask>:<hostname>:eth0:none". Of course you have to leave these addresses out of your dhcp pool. Only works for pxe and gpxe clients, not etherboot.
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| 16:12 | <Lns> alkisg: interesting! Didn't know the flexibility of the pxelinux.cfg dir
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| 16:13 | <alkisg> Ah, and this way you have to put lts.conf in tftpboot, not inside i386 (they don't get the tftp path)
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| 16:18 | <nubae> alkisg: u should really write some of that stuff up... its usefull stuff to know
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| 16:19 | <alkisg> nubae, can I try on some wiki with my broken english, and maybe someone patches it up?
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| 16:20 | Or should I put it e.g. on my forum (in english again) and post a link?
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| 16:20 | <Lns> alkisg: if you put it on the ubuntu wiki and shoot me the link i'll clean up the english
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| 16:20 | <alkisg> Lns, thanks, will do!
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| 16:21 | <Lns> awesome, thank you =)
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| 16:22 | brb
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| 16:23 | <nubae> btw, u guys gonna be at the edubuntu meeting tomorrow?
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| 16:23 | <Lns> Damn, my numlock is broken and i don't know why :(
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| 16:23 | nubae: i'll be there
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| 16:23 | <alkisg> nubae, sure!
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| 16:24 | <nubae> cool should be interesting
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| 16:30 | <Lns> nubae: what's the topic going to be?
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| 16:30 | nm, http://fridge.ubuntu.com/node/1704
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| 16:32 | nubae: look, ubuntu does irc logs too! http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/
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| 16:32 | #ltsp isn't in there though
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| 16:34 | <stgraber> Lns: ltsp is not an ubuntu channel, so I don't see why it'd be on irclogs.u.c
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| 16:35 | <Lns> stgraber: well i know it's not directly related to ubuntu, but it definitely has a lot to do with it since ltsp dev happens mostly on ubuntu first
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| 16:35 | <stgraber> I'm sure a lot of people here would disagree :)
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| 16:36 | <Lns> ok ok i'll shaddap :p
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| 16:39 | <alkisg> Anyone with iptables experience to save me some hours of brain-frying? I have a server with 4 NICs and 12 TCs. I want each 3 TCs to be served by a different NIC (trunking). But while e.g. TC1 connects to eth1, the server still answers from eth0. How can I route traffic through specific NICs based on ip ranges?
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| 16:40 | (I could use subnetting, but I'd like to have continuous IPs on the clients)
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| 16:41 | <nubae> it would be a bit undemocratic for ubuntu suddenly take irc ownership of #ltsp
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| 16:41 | :-)
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| 16:42 | <Lns> nubae: lol..well i'm not saying 'take ownership' by any means. just logging that chan wouldn't seem too intrusive imho
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| 16:43 | <nubae> well ltsplogbot is doing fine with it now =)
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| 16:44 | <Lns> i know i know.. :) and i like log2html much better, very nice.
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| 16:45 | <nubae> @g define:ltsp.org
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| 16:45 | <ltsplogbot> Sorry, no search results were found.
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| 16:46 | <nubae> @g define:ubuntu
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| 16:46 | <ltsplogbot> A Zulu word, literally meaning "humanness." Ubuntu is a social and spiritual philosophy serving as a framework for African society. ... @ http://www.allaboutjazz.com/php/article.php?id=1954 ( http://www.google.com/search?hl=all&q=define:ubuntu )
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| 16:46 | <nubae> :-)
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| 16:51 | <wpgmb> looks like I'm experiencing the same issue I found described on bugs.launchpad.. FF is already running on clients. My home setup is nowhere near that "loaded" - it can already happen with only two clients trying to launch FF. I ("main account") can however still launch FF. What to do?
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| 16:52 | is "local apps" recommended?
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| 16:56 | <warren> nubae: hmm, I better be careful about what I say.
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| 17:03 | <nubae> @g define:fedora
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| 17:03 | <ltsplogbot> hat of velour with high, slightly tapering crown. @ http://romancereaderatheart2.com/victorian/timeline/1870/index.html ( http://www.google.com/search?hl=all&q=define:fedora )
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| 17:03 | <nubae> :-)
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| 17:09 | <warren> I identify with velour.
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| 17:09 | @g define:velour
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| 17:09 | <ltsplogbot> A closely woven fabric with a thick soft feel. @ http://www.dickssportinggoods.com/sm-general-fabric-glossary--bg-2070458.html ( http://www.google.com/search?hl=all&q=define:velour )
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| 17:14 | <Lns> jeez i wish wpgmb would have stuck around
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| 17:16 | <jammcq> hello all
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| 17:21 | <Lns> hey jammcq
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| 17:22 | sbalneav: wondering if you're around to help w/nbdswap again, this time it wont' be reverted to another issue ;) if not, it's cool, let me know when you are and i can plan to be onsite whenever
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| 21:07 | <kwakito> hi, i'm using ubuntu hardy, i noticed the resolution on the screen of the clients are not the same, some have 800x600 and some have higher res, how can i change it?
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| 22:09 | <kwak> urgent help needed: some of my clients are not getting DHCP response from the server. i have 25 clients
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| 22:12 | <Ryan52> check in your dhcp server logs for anything funny. it's probably /var/log/daemon.log
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| 22:13 | failing that, are you sure they're plugged in? :). if you move them to a switch port that another thin client is working on does it work?
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| 22:31 | <kwak> yes they are plugged in
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| 22:31 | i tried it yesterday and all booted, this morning I'm doing an apt-get update.
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| 22:32 | i will restart
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| 22:32 | to check
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| 22:41 | <kwak> still there ryan
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| 22:43 | <Ryan52> yes
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| 22:45 | <sbalneav> To: America
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| 22:45 | From: Canada
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| 22:45 | Re: Presidential Race 2008
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| 22:45 | Congrats!!!!!!
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| 22:45 | \o/
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| 22:46 | kwak: I'm here as well.
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| 22:46 | <loather-work> yeah, it's about time we got a decent candidate in office
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| 22:47 | let's see how it actually goes though, not all the electorals are confirmed.
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| 22:47 | <kwak> ic, yeah. i restart my newly update 8.04 then it can't connect to the net anymore
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| 22:48 | <Ryan52> what happens when you try to "invoke-rc.d networking restart"?
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| 22:48 | <kwak> trying
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| 22:48 | <sbalneav> An ifconfig -a and a netstat -r would be good to look at too.
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| 22:49 | <kwak> invoke says "RTNETLINK answers: No such process"
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| 22:49 | i had this same issue with 8.10 yesterday, hoping that it will get fixed, i installed hardy
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| 22:50 | ifconfig -a : eth0 and eth1 has address
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| 22:50 | eth1 is the thin client side NIC
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| 22:50 | there a gateway using netstat -r
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| 22:51 | ok, now it's working.
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| 22:51 | <sbalneav> Could you paste the results of both commands to the pastebot?
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| 22:51 | !pastebot
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| 22:51 | <ltspbot> sbalneav: "pastebot" is The LTSP pastebot is at http://pastebot.ltsp.org. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebot, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. A link to the content will be pasted in the channel.
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| 22:51 | <kwak> checking my clients if they get response from DHCP now
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| 22:51 | <sbalneav> So, now it's working?
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| 22:54 | <kwak> out of 25 thin clients only half got dhcp response from the server
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| 22:55 | <Ryan52> is it consistant with which ones aren't getting it?
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| 22:56 | <kwak> no, not consistent. it's like whichever clients get a response first, or like there's a limit.
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| 22:57 | <sbalneav> Can we see the contents of ifconfig -a, netstat -r, and the contents of /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf
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| 22:58 | <kwak> k,
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| 22:58 | pastebot right. handon
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| 22:58 | hangon
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| 23:00 | <ltsppbot> "kwak" pasted "ifconfig -a eth0 Link encap:Et" (64 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/91
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| 23:01 | <kwak> hi sbalneav, will you be around for 2 hours. i need to be on duty to watch children playing for 40 mins. i really need help with this.
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| 23:01 | let me know your findinds.
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| 23:02 | <sbalneav> No, I'm heading to bed soon. However, the setup looks good.
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| 23:03 | What kind of switch are these thin clients connected to?
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| 23:03 | <rjune__> huh, looks like we got a black guy for preas
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| 23:03 | <sbalneav> Ususally with this kind of thing it ends up being an intelligent switch that ends up throttling connections.
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| 23:05 | rjune__: He's awesome.
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| 23:05 | <rjune__> sbalneav: you don't count, you're canuckistani
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| 23:06 | <sbalneav> Wow
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| 23:06 | <rjune__> :-P
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| 23:06 | <jammcq> Scotty !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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| 23:06 | <sbalneav> Hey jammcq!
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| 23:09 | <rjune__> How goes it scotty?
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| 23:12 | <sbalneav> It goes
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| 23:25 | <mr_clark> Hi guys. Trying out LTSP on OpenSUSE 11 with kiwi-ltsp. Got the install working. Get to a login screen but when I try logging in it waits for about 20 seconds trying to authenticate me and then it errors out with "No response from server, restarting." Any idea why? I've asked in the #kiwi channel but nobody is there.
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| 23:26 | <Ryan52> check wherever ssh logs to on the server.
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| 23:26 | (sorry I can't be more specific, I am not an opensuse user)
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| 23:33 | <mr_clark> never mind. Just played with the easy-ltsp program. Didn't make any changes but now it's working. Weird.
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