IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.libera.chat (webchat)
Channel log from 9 November 2008 (all times are UTC)
| 00:00 | <johnny> Ryan52, at least the distros are unifying somewhat now.. all relying on the same components
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| 00:01 | and now we have a gui abstraction for package installation
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| 00:03 | <Ryan52> ya
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| 00:06 | <johnny> Ryan52, did you read about the linux plumbers conference that happened in portland?
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| 00:06 | pretty impressive stuff
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| 00:06 | gregkh gave a nice overview
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| 00:07 | <Ryan52> I only heard about it
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| 00:07 | overview of what?
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| 00:08 | <johnny> the conference
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| 00:08 | <Ryan52> oh :
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| 00:08 | :P
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| 00:09 | <johnny> check the recent posts http://www.kroah.com/log/
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| 00:14 | <Ryan52> oh, he's the guy who pointed out that canonical is doing a bad job at sending patches...I heard about that.
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| 00:15 | <johnny> no.. that canonical was doing a bad job at upstream work in general.. but really.. that wasn't the point
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| 00:15 | the point was about contributions in general
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| 00:16 | <Ryan52> ya, I know.
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| 00:16 | <johnny> Ryan52, he's also one of the folks who created the most recent usb stack
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| 00:16 | and handled all the pci stuff for awhile iirc
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| 00:17 | he's also a gentoo developer :)
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| 00:17 | oh.. yeah.. he wrote udev :)
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| 00:17 | <Ryan52> nice.
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| 00:17 | <mib_j1hc8pb8> somebody knows of some video that explains to you like doing it? in order to have an IP ADRESS static in my Ubuntu 8.10
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| 00:18 | <Ryan52> johnny: so what kind of web development do you do?
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| 00:18 | <johnny> mostly php, .. since 2001 .. when php was really the only choice if you didn't like perl
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| 00:19 | altho i know some perl and python
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| 00:19 | stayed away from the hype of RoR
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| 00:20 | <Ryan52> the only web stuff I've done is RoR...don't really like it, though.
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| 00:20 | <johnny> which part?
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| 00:20 | web stuff can be fun
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| 00:21 | i thought RoR was supposed to be fun :) hehe
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| 00:21 | i was one of the core developers of the postnuke project before it split into pieces.. it was the first open source project i really contributed to..
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| 00:21 | <Ryan52> I just don't like ruby all that much. some parts of it seem awkward and annoying. it's fun to laugh at it, though.
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| 00:21 | <johnny> i have yet to find a python framework i want to use
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| 00:22 | nothing looks very good to me.. and I TRIED HARD TO FIND ONE
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| 00:22 | <Ryan52> what's wrong with django? most people I've heard say good things about it.
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| 00:22 | <johnny> django does a custom ORM.. which makes me sad, and it also looks funny
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| 00:25 | i wasn't happy when looking at it
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| 00:25 | <johnny> the red emma's site is in django
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| 00:26 | it's only OK...
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| 00:26 | our scheduling application is in RoR, i didn't write either of them tho
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| 00:27 | they were both written before i got there
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| 00:27 | our book inventory section of redemmas.org is actually turbogears.. which uses the standard ORM called sqlalchemy..
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| 00:28 | but. turbogears also has pluggable template systems and ORMs.. which kinda turns me off.. i really don't want to have to learn X number of templating systems times X number of ORMs just to tie a few different applications together
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| 00:29 | one other thing i don't like about django.. no default JS library !
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| 00:29 | so.. LAME
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| 00:29 | and RoR uses prototype.. also LAME
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| 00:30 | <Ryan52> I like prototype. but I don't have exposure to any others...which do you like?
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| 00:30 | <johnny> i heard they might be switching to jquery.. but i don't really know anything about it
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| 00:30 | jquery!
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| 00:30 | altho.. they are having a problem that many other OS projects have.. too much overlap.. makes it hard to make a decision
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| 00:30 | they need to find a way to promote certain plugins as official
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| 00:31 | i like their autocomplete plugin.. BUT.... there were 3 versions of the same plugin.. each with differences..
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| 00:31 | i hope they work on bringing that stuff together
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| 00:31 | but jquery itself is top notch
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| 00:32 | <Ryan52> looking at the examples on wikipedia, I agree :)
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| 00:33 | <johnny> many apps are using jquery now
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| 00:33 | even the server admin for the cherokee admin.. and the drupal cms
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| 00:34 | err server admin for the cherokee web server..
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| 00:34 | i've been using cherokee instead of lighttpd due to broken proxy support in lighttpd 1.4
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| 00:34 | i also like the style of cherokee :)
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| 00:34 | <Ryan52> I just tried out nginx and it seems nice, but other than that I've only used apache2.
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| 00:35 | <johnny> altho. i might go back to lighttpd ..
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| 00:35 | <Ryan52> I've never even heard of cherokee :P
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| 00:35 | <johnny> once they finish the glib port
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| 00:35 | glib gives alot of interesting possibilities to any software
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| 00:35 | i has trouble even taking nginx serious
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| 00:36 | <Ryan52> why?
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| 00:36 | <johnny> seriously* due to the fact they include a mail proxy in a web server.. that just didn't make sense
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| 00:36 | the cherokee folks have some nice benchmarks against nginx as well..
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| 00:36 | <Ryan52> okay, ya, I thought that was rediculous too at first
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| 00:38 | <johnny> lighttpd is decent.. i used it for quite some time
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| 00:38 | it kinda died for awhile.. but seems resurrected ..
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| 00:40 | oh.. i remember one other reason i didn't like nginx.. it didn't autospawn *cgi processes
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| 00:40 | <Ahmuck> heh, i noticed the "developers who are not allowed to contribute to linux should change thier jobs" one could also read it as, "users who are not allowed to contribute should change thier operating system"
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| 00:40 | <johnny> you had to set it all up manually
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| 00:40 | users not allowed?
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| 00:40 | oh
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| 00:41 | like on windows and mac?
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| 00:41 | i heard that steve ballmer made some noises about having a webkit based browser..
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| 00:41 | microsoft's open sources licenses are better than than apple's
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| 00:42 | discounting the whole "shared source" nonsense
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| 05:50 | <highvoltage> is the next ltsp hackfest planned already?
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| 05:50 | I'll need to buy you guys at least one round of beer for when you're together again
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| 05:50 | local apps totally rock now
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| 06:16 | <bopols> what is this? at the thinclient the gnome menu appears disabled (unclickable) but at the server the menu works fine.
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| 06:16 | am using debian lenny
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| 06:16 | i386
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| 06:18 | what's the difference between logging-in at the server and at the thinclient that makes this weird behavior?
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| 06:20 | and what makes the menu panel disabled?
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| 06:20 | ideas/hints please
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| 07:24 | <dirigeant> hi all
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| 07:25 | can i find a document about advantages/disadvantages of ltsp and xdmcp
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| 07:25 | which one is faster
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| 07:25 | which one is lighter etc.
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| 07:30 | <chrisinajar> ltsp and xdmcp? Do you mean ldm versus xdmcp?
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| 07:32 | <dirigeant> boot from network
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| 07:32 | and connect to remote X
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| 07:32 | <chrisinajar> indeed, that is what ltsp is...
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| 07:32 | <dirigeant> umm, i think ltsp is boot from network
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| 07:33 | xdmcp is connect to remote X
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| 07:33 | am i wrong?
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| 07:33 | <chrisinajar> dirigeant: ldm is the LTSP Display Manager... it runs locally... xdmcp is a protocol where X queries a remote server, so the display manager runs there...
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| 07:33 | dirigeant: people use xdmcp in network boot too... are comparing ltsp versus remote logins?
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| 07:35 | <dirigeant> ok, correct question: network boot vs connect remote X
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| 07:36 | <chrisinajar> dirigeant: well, ltsp has the advantage of being a thin client solution... centralization, less taxing on hardware, no need to fix individual computers...
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| 07:36 | <dirigeant> i have some old machines
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| 07:37 | they have own harddisks
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| 07:37 | <chrisinajar> indeed, ltsp is awesome for that stuff because it requires such little on the hardware
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| 07:37 | <dirigeant> i can load system base and X them and connect to server after boot
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| 07:37 | or i can boot them from server like thin client
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| 07:38 | <chrisinajar> indeed, but with chubby client, you loose a lot of the cool features of ltsp, and you put more stress on the local hardware...
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| 07:38 | also expanding in the future will be infinitely easier with ltsp
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| 07:39 | doing system wide upgrades, also
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| 07:39 | <dirigeant> so, u say network boot is better
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| 07:39 | <chrisinajar> i make a living off linux thin clients, so i am a bit biased towards it, but overall in virtually every case an ltsp solution is epic win...
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| 07:39 | yes.
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| 07:40 | <dirigeant> is there any difference about system load on server machine
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| 07:41 | <chrisinajar> well, there will be slightly higher bandwidth and disk ussage, as the root filesystems on the thin clients are being accessed over the network on the server
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| 07:41 | but that extra load is rather insignificant...
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| 07:42 | also, ltsp has localapps (usually :-P) so you can still utilize local hardware on the nicer boxes...
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| 07:42 | <dirigeant> hm, after i boot from network, when i run an app
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| 07:42 | it works on my client
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| 07:43 | if i connect to remote X and run an app, it works on server?
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| 07:43 | is it true
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| 07:43 | <chrisinajar> yes, although LDM is a better solution than xdmcp...
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| 07:44 | so ldm runs the display manager locally, then you log into the remote server (using an ssh backend) and then run your apps there... all apps run in the normal manner are run on the server, and then some apps can be localapps...
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| 07:44 | <chrisinajar> hello warren. :-P
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| 07:44 | <warren> hello?
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| 07:45 | chrisinajar: ltsp-localapps /usr/bin/whatever
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| 07:45 | <Q-FUNK> !w
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| 07:45 | <ltspbot> Q-FUNK: Error: "w" is not a valid command.
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| 07:46 | <Q-FUNK> bad robot
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| 07:46 | <dirigeant> oh ok. apps always works on server, no difference ltsp and connect X.
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| 07:46 | <chrisinajar> yeah, they function very similarly.
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| 07:47 | ldm obviously starts the session slightly different, but the end result is the same
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| 07:47 | <dirigeant> very very thx chrisinajar. i will try to install ptsp
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| 07:47 | and use it
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| 07:48 | i think, i have to read some documents about ltsp and ptsp
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| 07:48 | :)
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| 07:48 | <chrisinajar> Likely, yes :-P
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| 07:48 | If you get stuck usually people can answer questions in here...
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| 07:49 | <dirigeant> i will be here, to ask questions. may be later, i can answer easy questions.
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| 08:12 | <Q-FUNK> ahoy!
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| 08:50 | <stgraber> hey
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| 08:51 | <Q-FUNK> hey
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| 10:08 | <Q-FUNK> ALSA contributor spotted.
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| 10:35 | <TeknoPhil> Hi, i'm new to LTSP and I'm looking for help to connect an Intel Macbook pro to a LTSP server.
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| 10:37 | <johnny> look up how they can pxe boot
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| 10:37 | that is the most important thing
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| 10:38 | <TeknoPhil> Thanks Johnny
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| 10:42 | <warren> http://wtogami.livejournal.com/28896.html
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| 10:44 | <fgiraldeau> I approve this message ;)
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| 10:45 | <chrisinajar> It's all lies.
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| 10:46 | <stgraber> looks good
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| 12:13 | <cliebow_> cliebow:
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| 12:14 | cliebow:x
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| 12:15 | <Ahmuck> i'd like to run ltsp imac clients, G3 or G4's
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| 12:15 | where would i find documention for this
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| 12:26 | <johnny> install an operating system on one of them
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| 12:26 | and then generate the chroot
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| 12:26 | and then copy it to the server
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| 12:26 | and then.. find the documentation on how setup netboot for the imacs..
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| 12:26 | which isn't ltsp specific
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| 12:27 | that's the gist of it
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| 12:27 | i have to run out the door tho
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| 12:27 | bbiab
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| 17:29 | <johnny> and nubae isn't here either
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| 17:29 | :(
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| 17:29 | his fat client script is weird
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| 17:31 | i don't have any /etc/timezone
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| 17:57 | <TeknoPhil> Hi all ... I have a question regarding local apps on LTSP 5 ... Is it working on Ubuntu 8.04 ? Any pointers would be appreciated
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| 17:58 | <Ahmuck> TeknoPhil: #edubuntu
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| 17:58 | <TeknoPhil> ok thanks Ahmuck :)
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| 18:06 | <johnny> TeknoPhil, you have to do it manually
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| 18:06 | it exists.. but it's a completely manual process
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| 18:06 | you have to copy .desktop files for apps you want, and prefix the Exec= entry with ltsp-localapps
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| 18:12 | <TeknoPhil> Thanks Johnny, I'll look into it
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