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Channel log from 30 December 2015 (all times are UTC)
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| 05:45 | <gehidore> ||cw: the package is gone and I have yet to get unlazy enough to re-create it
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| 05:45 | I really need to because I myself need it but I have more pressing issues...
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| 15:17 | <rhi> Hi, I'm looking for help|tips setting up clients with differing locale needs (ar_SY, Farsi, Dari, Pashto) in addition to German.
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| 15:18 | <vagrantc> individual machines configured with different locales?
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| 15:18 | or all clients supporting all locales?
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| 15:18 | <rhi> I want to set up "throw-away" clients for a kind of "international coffee shop" as a service for this countries influx of refugees
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| 15:19 | <vagrantc> throw-away in what sense? reset at login/reboot ?
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| 15:20 | <rhi> yes
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| 15:21 | If they want to save stuff between sessions, I'd suggest using a USB-stick
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| 15:21 | <vagrantc> how much ram do the clients have?
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| 15:23 | <rhi> I'm undecided on whether to individualise the users to include a locale ... ar_sy_nr1@box12
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| 15:23 | I don't know what "mix" of locale's we need to support at any 1 time.
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| 15:25 | ram: probably 1GB
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| 15:25 | <vagrantc> have you set up LTSP networks before?
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| 15:26 | <rhi> I've been doing debian since bruce perens was DPL ... but I'm new to locale & keyboards I don't know & menues I can't read :-)
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| 15:26 | <vagrantc> i've got a setup that creates a fresh homedir in tmpfs on login using libpam-mount with fatclients using lightdm
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| 15:27 | <rhi> OK - that sounds like what I'm looking for if I can configure it to use a specific locale for a specific session (in some form choosable)
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| 15:27 | <vagrantc> there are keyboard selection options from within gnome and gnome-flashback, i think ... and you can typically set the locale on login
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| 15:29 | <rhi> true - but I'm not sure of the skill-levels needed to do this ... most people here have only had experiance with various win systems specifically set up for their countrioes
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| 15:29 | <vagrantc> i'm also a bit inexperienced with locales, given that the C locale generally worsk for me ... but i strive to get a rough idea how locales work
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| 15:29 | <rhi> they would be new to linux & selecting locale & keyboard & $LANG at startup
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| 15:29 | <vagrantc> basically it's a button with a drop-down selection
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| 15:30 | <rhi> That's why I started looking at LTSP ... get it right once & reboot as needed :-)
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| 15:30 | <vagrantc> you could also set it up such that there's a different default locale from lts.conf, with some custom hooks
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| 15:31 | so if there was a particular day where a particular locale was preferred, you could make it the default on a daily basis from one place
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| 15:32 | <rhi> no - it's more like a travelling coffee shop (lan party in a truck) and would need to cope with whatever nationalities I find at that location & day
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| 15:32 | <vagrantc> there are plenty of hooks to implement all this ... if you have a good idea which locales to enable, then you'll want to enable them in the image, but if you're not sure you could install locales-all ... though that might make language selection drop-downs unusable
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| 15:33 | <rhi> I only need around 5 or 6 variants as far as I can see
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| 15:33 | <vagrantc> lots of options, mostly a matter of picking a few, experimenting a bit with the LTSP hooks till you get what you want
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| 15:33 | <rhi> but I'll need some from the people themselves so as not to tread on toes through my own ignorance of their cultures & norms
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| 15:35 | <vagrantc> definitely a good idea.
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| 15:35 | <rhi> yeah - but a lot of work to get it right :-)
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| 15:36 | <vagrantc> first, i'd get the LTSP parts working in your preferred language ... then work on adding the mutliple locale support you want
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| 15:36 | <rhi> I could do "fat clients" in 2 or 3 locales but I want to be able to keep the configs but destroy what ever traces they've left on the boxes when they sign off.
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| 15:37 | would you differentiate based on username+logon or at PXE-boot-time ?
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| 15:40 | <vagrantc> well, changing the keyboard layout without changing the actualy keyboard might be more confusing to inexperience computer users...
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| 15:41 | i would think choosing at login is going to work ... configuring user-specific locales with throwaway homedirs might be tricky ...
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| 15:41 | <rhi> true - but I've had some experiance with changing between de_DE and Ukrainian for a person I support here,
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| 15:41 | <vagrantc> with a throwaway homedir?
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| 15:42 | <rhi> and we found it OK IF there is a printed "keymap" available.
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| 15:43 | I haven't doen the throwaway homedir thing yet ... I'm assuming that it might be something via NFS
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| 15:43 | and sutomounter
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| 15:43 | s/sutomounter/automounter/g
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| 15:44 | <vagrantc> well, you can't throw the homedir away and save user-specific settings ... without getting very cumbersome :P
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| 15:44 | * vagrantc would just recommend using libpam-mount with tmpfs for homedir | |
| 15:45 | <rhi> I don't have any keyboards in all these variants of arabic | persian and wouldn't be able to tell which was which without sticky-tape-labels :-(
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| 15:46 | <vagrantc> right
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| 15:46 | <rhi> I wasn't sure if /etc/skel and adduser was going to help me any ... or if keeping state gets in my way ---
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| 15:48 | The last time I used debian autoconf as a provisioning tool it took me about 3 reboots to get the boxes set up with their payload & up & running ... but that was a while ago
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| 15:49 | but then ... it was a real SYSV init, which is something I understand :-)
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| 15:49 | <vagrantc> autoconf?
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| 15:50 | <rhi> yea - pxe boot & install & answer all the dpkg questions per script .. it's been a while .. I've forgotten the terminology
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| 15:51 | <vagrantc> ah, debconf preseeding
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| 15:51 | well, nice thing about LTSP is you only have to install one machine for N clients :)
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| 15:52 | <rhi> They were headless network-monitoring stations deplöoyed through out the corporate-net & we just shipped them & they phoned home & said "I've just arrived at XYZ & pls give me an assignment :-)"
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| 15:53 | That was easier that trying to get libreoffice & debian menues to work correctly with a keyboard I can't read
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| 15:56 | I'll go & read some about libpam-mount with tmpfs for homedir ... there are several rough edges in what I'm asking for & I think I need to simplify it quite a bit before I come asking again ...
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| 15:58 | I's beginning to look like one image pro (nationality|locale) & sort them out at boot-time
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| 16:00 | Thank you very much for your time & skill ... you've given me some good ideas to think about.
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| 20:31 | <mober73> hello
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| 20:36 | * vagrantc waves | |
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| 21:03 | <highvoltage> hey vagrantc
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