IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.libera.chat (webchat)
Channel log from 9 April 2009 (all times are UTC)
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| 00:10 | <ball> Does LTSP support AIGLX (on hardware that's supported by X.org)?
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| 00:15 | <vagrantc> yay! the ltspfsd -> ltspfsd + ltspfsd-core split made it in debian. ltspfs has 0 reported bugs! :)
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| 00:16 | <cyberorg> vagrantc, hi, http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20090405 :)
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| 00:18 | <vagrantc> heh
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| 00:18 | * vagrantc suspects there are more debian derivatives than red hat... | |
| 00:18 | <vagrantc> cyberorg: so, an otherwise mostly working xrdp is just totally borked with that last patch
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| 00:19 | <cyberorg> vagrantc, test rdesktop -s locally
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| 00:19 | <Ryan52> cyberorg: haha. nice.
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| 00:19 | <vagrantc> cyberorg: so i'm guessing there's some significant differences with xrdp in debian vs. opensuse
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| 00:19 | cyberorg: yeah, i was planning on trying that sometime.
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| 00:19 | <cyberorg> vagrantc, lets figure out if it takes Name or Exec, we can work on it accordingly
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| 00:20 | <vagrantc> cyberorg: it just plain crashed
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| 00:20 | no rdesktop process running, ldm log entries saying that the X session was finished
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| 00:20 | <cyberorg> rdesktop -u username -p password -s shell localhost
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| 00:20 | <vagrantc> so running rdesktop manually would probably give us a useful error
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| 00:21 | <cyberorg> vagrantc, you can run that on the xrdp server directly
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| 00:21 | <vagrantc> cyberorg: as if i had a GUI on the server!
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| 00:21 | actually, i do. but i often don't. :)
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| 00:22 | <cyberorg> then from another PC that has rdesktop and GUI :)
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| 00:24 | * vagrantc must tend to dinner | |
| 00:25 | <Ryan52> so my patch broke stuff, eh? I really shouldn't code stuff that I don't understand and can't test.. :P
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| 00:25 | <vagrantc> Ryan52: yeah, doesn't work for me, at least.
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| 00:26 | i don't know how it could possibly support "rdesktop -s", the way it's configured on debian. it simply sources /etc/X11/Xsession with no arguments.
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| 00:30 | <vagrantc> cyberorg: just plain doesn't do anything.
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| 00:31 | cyberorg: uses the default.
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| 00:55 | <vagrantc> gah.
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| 00:57 | <Ryan52> gah?
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| 00:58 | <vagrantc> Ryan52: cyberorg disappeared
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| 00:58 | <Ryan52> no, he reappeared.
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| 00:58 | =P
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| 00:58 | <vagrantc> cyberorg: so, i'm filing a bug on debian's xrdp, as the way it's implemented, i don't see how it could possibly support anything but the default.
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| 00:58 | <cyberorg> vagrantc, sorry, having connection troubles
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| 00:59 | <cyberorg> vagrantc, -s does not work at all?
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| 00:59 | * Ryan52 wonders why suse's would be different than debians.. | |
| 00:59 | <vagrantc> it's got a big fat patch on it
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| 00:59 | cyberorg: doesn't work with Name or Exec. it just uses the default.
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| 00:59 | <cyberorg> Ryan52, over a year of "secret" development
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| 01:00 | i am a bit annoyed too, the developer does not communicate much :(
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| 01:03 | vagrantc, hopefully all the work done will go upstream xrdp/rdesktop one day
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| 01:04 | <cyberorg> i doubt suse would want to maintain such a huge patch
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| 01:08 | <cyberorg> vagrantc, you know if any other distro has xrdp?
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| 01:09 | <vagrantc> cyberorg: surely ubuntu...
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| 01:09 | <Ryan52> cyberorg: there's a program called whohas that can answer that :)
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| 01:09 | <cyberorg> do they have newer than debian?
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| 01:09 | <vagrantc> cyberorg: same version
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| 01:09 | <Ryan52> cyberorg: http://slexy.org/view/s213f1due7
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| 01:10 | more readable: http://slexy.org/raw/s213f1due7
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| 01:10 | <cyberorg> looks like gentto and suse has newer
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| 01:10 | mandriva too
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| 01:11 | Ryan52, can you do whohas whohas?
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| 01:12 | <Ryan52> heh. ya, one sec.
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| 01:12 | * vagrantc wonders where Ryan52 gets this command from | |
| 01:12 | <cyberorg> vagrantc, thats why i asked :)
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| 01:12 | <Ryan52> vagrantc: it's this thing called Debian...you should try it sometime. =P
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| 01:13 | <vagrantc> Ryan52: "apt-cache search whohas" gives me nothing
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| 01:13 | ah, it's not in stable.
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| 01:13 | <Ryan52> vagrantc: http://packages.debian.org/sid/whohas
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| 01:13 | yes, it's new.
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| 01:14 | cyberorg: it's apparently timing out, but...this is what it said so far. http://slexy.org/raw/s20Gk6M1Ku
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| 01:14 | <cyberorg> great looks like someone has packaged for suse
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| 01:15 | <Ryan52> ya, that's it.
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| 01:15 | <cyberorg> Ryan52, thanks, installed :)
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| 01:16 | <Ryan52> yw :)
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| 01:16 | * Ryan52 goes to sleep now...bye everybody. | |
| 01:17 | <cyberorg> 'night
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| 01:29 | vagrantc, can you login to client and see ps axww to find out what rdesktop command is used?
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| 01:30 | currently here it uses "KDE 4.2" serverIP
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| 01:31 | that is "Name" in quotes
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| 01:31 | <vagrantc> cyberorg: well, the patched version breaks instantaneously, so rdesktop isn't running.
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| 01:31 | <cyberorg> zirconiumks, how do you get rdesktop command in ldm.log?
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| 01:33 | <vagrantc> cyberorg: ??
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| 01:33 | <cyberorg> vagrantc, add loginfo to get command in ldm.log
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| 01:33 | <vagrantc> ah.
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| 01:33 | cyberorg: some other day :)
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| 01:33 | <cyberorg> ok :)
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| 01:34 | <zirconiumks> cyberorg, u answered before i could paste the command here :)
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| 01:34 | cyberorg, perhaps i am too slow.... :(
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| 01:36 | <cyberorg> don't worry, vagrantc knows how to debug stuff ;)
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| 03:05 | <k-man> is there a live cd i can run ltsp from?
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| 03:05 | <cyberorg> k-man, there is :) http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/Education/images/iso/
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| 03:06 | live DVD
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| 03:06 | <k-man> cyberorg: what are my chances of it being able to use my wireless card in my notebook
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| 03:06 | <cyberorg> what card?
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| 03:06 | <k-man> i think its an intel - its at home so I can't tell you exactly right now
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| 03:07 | <cyberorg> you know what firmware it runs?
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| 03:07 | <k-man> hmm... no
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| 03:08 | <Drakonen> hello, i hav e aproblem with xrdp and ltsp. we have some small "chippc"s which do rdp. we want to connect them to ltsp, but when the xrdp session starts, it looks like they are in a different X environment. when i PXE boot an other machine, it looks fine (and i can configure it better). does anyone here know how to make xrdp use the same resources as a PXE booted session?
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| 03:08 | <cyberorg> ok, give it a try and let us know how it went :)
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| 03:08 | <k-man> thanks cyberorg
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| 03:08 | <Drakonen> i hope that makes sense
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| 03:09 | <cyberorg> Drakonen, no it doesn't, what resources?
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| 03:09 | <Drakonen> the chrooted env, which is used when using pxe booting
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| 03:09 | does it use that?
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| 03:10 | how do i know actually if im chrooted or not?
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| 03:11 | <cyberorg> Drakonen, does the chippc have an embedded OS? if so it will not use ltsp's chroot, LTSP however can also do rdesktop to connect to xrdp server
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| 03:12 | <Drakonen> the chip pcs's have win ce or something like that, and they can do rdp
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| 03:12 | i have xrdp installed, and its working
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| 03:12 | <cyberorg> can chippc do pxe booting?
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| 03:12 | <Drakonen> but, it looks different (like the theme settings are missing)
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| 03:13 | cyberorg: not that i know of
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| 03:13 | i'll have to check
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| 03:13 | *doing now*
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| 03:16 | doesnt look like it
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| 03:17 | <cyberorg> so there is no way for it to use ltsp's chroot
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| 03:17 | <Drakonen> can i make xrdp use the chroot?
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| 03:19 | <cyberorg> chroot does not have anything to do with xrdp, it is just minimal OS that starts rdesktop/ldm
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| 03:20 | <Drakonen> aaaah
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| 03:20 | that makes sense
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| 03:24 | when i start something from the preferences pane, i get an error: :unable to starts the settings manager 'gnome-settings-daemon'. ..."
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| 03:24 | ths is from an xrdp session
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| 03:27 | <Drakonen> thanks for the help cyberorg :)
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| 08:24 | <STUDY> halo
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| 08:50 | <jammcq> good morning #ltsp
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| 09:03 | <cyberorg> hi jammcq. tried our live DVD yet?
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| 09:03 | <jammcq> heh, nope
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| 09:03 | saw the announcement, looks cool
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| 09:03 | * cyberorg pimps http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/Education/images/iso/ | |
| 09:03 | <jammcq> cyberorg: you should join us in Brazil, to talk about it
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| 09:04 | <cyberorg> Ryan52, this one now got your nomad changes in too
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| 09:04 | jammcq, i would love too, but it would cost me about USD2000, not a small fortune here ;)
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| 09:05 | <jammcq> sure, It's expensive. would be great if there were some sponsorship money available
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| 09:05 | but money is soooo tight these days
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| 09:06 | <cyberorg> i can't ask novell, they just paid about $500 in feb for a trade fare we participated here
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| 09:06 | so probably some other time :)
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| 09:07 | <jammcq> you actually got money out of Novell ?
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| 09:07 | good job
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| 09:07 | <Nubae> when is Brazil exactly?
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| 09:07 | <jammcq> June 24-26
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| 09:07 | or 24-27
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| 09:07 | something like that
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| 09:07 | <Nubae> of May?
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| 09:07 | <jammcq> we're arriving on the 23rd and leaving on the 29th
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| 09:07 | june
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| 09:07 | <Nubae> k
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| 09:07 | <cyberorg> jammcq, yes, they sent me a cheque, they are quite supportive and generous here
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| 09:07 | <Nubae> yeah guess it makes sense to stay extra days
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| 09:08 | <jammcq> Nubae: yeah, there's always a big community BBQ on the sunday after the conference
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| 09:08 | so I like to stick around until monday
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| 09:08 | last year, I stayed until tuesday
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| 09:08 | one of these days I'll stay an extra week, and go visit the falls or something else
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| 09:09 | <Nubae> how about accommodation?
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| 09:12 | wow tickets are cheap... 700€ from Vienna - Floranopolis
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| 09:13 | <jammcq> if you are giving a talk at the conference, they cover the cost of the hotel
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| 09:13 | porto alegre is where you'll need to be
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| 09:13 | <Nubae> oh
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| 09:13 | <jammcq> "POA" is the airport code
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| 09:14 | <Nubae> thought florianopolis was closest
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| 09:14 | <jammcq> nope, POA is bigger too
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| 09:14 | <Nubae> ok, should be about the same price in any case
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| 09:15 | so, how does one give a talk?
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| 09:15 | <jammcq> there's a call-for-papers that's open
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| 09:15 | but if you are serious, I could prolly hook you up with the right people to get it approved
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| 09:15 | <Nubae> wow even cheaper... to porto alegre, worth taking the time
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| 09:15 | well, I could talk about fatclient
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| 09:15 | I think it could be interesting
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| 09:16 | <jammcq> I'm friends with the guy who organizes the conference tracks
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| 09:16 | <Nubae> maybe talk about that and local apps, if no one else is talking about that
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| 09:16 | <jammcq> scotty will be there too, talking about something LTSP related
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| 09:16 | my goal is to get several LTSP developers there, and have a panel discussion
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| 09:16 | <Nubae> well, I'm definitly considering, the price is right
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| 09:17 | <cyberorg> Nubae, you can represent our fatclient too ;)
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| 09:17 | <Nubae> hehe
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| 09:17 | <cyberorg> you wont have to talk much http://en.opensuse.org/LTSP/Fatclient :)
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| 09:17 | <Nubae> have to install and check it out first ;-) I'm just installing Suse now
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| 09:17 | <ogra> dont you talk like that about your clients ... that channel is publically logged !
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| 09:17 | ;)
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| 09:17 | <Nubae> lol
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| 09:17 | <jammcq> he means "phat" clients
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| 09:18 | <Nubae> we should do kewl clients too
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| 09:18 | running on heat efficient processors
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| 09:18 | <cyberorg> ogra, in this recession all the fat clients need to lose some
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| 09:19 | Nubae, wait, do it from live DVD
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| 09:19 | <Nubae> do what from livedvd?
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| 09:19 | <cyberorg> uploaded new image, it now also has gobby(ogra now you can grab it too)
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| 09:20 | Nubae, install from live DVD, link i just posted
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| 09:20 | <Nubae> I sent laserjock a whole list of edu apps that I tested that should go into edubuntu-addon (universe), u want me to send them to u too?
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| 09:21 | <cyberorg> Nubae, sure, why not :)
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| 09:22 | if they are missing from http://en.opensuse.org/Education/Applications
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| 09:22 | <Nubae> email?
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| 09:22 | <cyberorg> cyberorg at opensuse.org
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| 09:24 | <Nubae> ok, sent, I took a look at that list, some are in there, but a lot of stuff isnt... there are notes on the apps that I took too
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| 09:24 | it will be nice if we can homogenize the edu apps, so the same is available in suse and ubuntu
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| 09:28 | <cyberorg> Nubae, it would be great if some deb packagers want to join forces, a lot of upstream devs are packaging their apps in this repo for many distros
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| 09:28 | http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/Education/
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| 09:29 | <maginot> good morning
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| 09:30 | so ... anyone have experience any problem with 10/100 switchs and 10/100/1000 client nics?
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| 09:30 | <Nubae> I see just rpm based distos in there though
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| 09:30 | maginot: no
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| 09:31 | <cyberorg> Nubae, yeah, but oBS can build xBuntu, debian, today the first ARM debian lenny package was built :)
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| 09:32 | Nubae, and the live DVD is also built there
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| 09:32 | <maginot> Hmmm pidgin on the clients is crashing ... I dont know if this is just a coincidence because this kind of problem wasnt happening in the old clients who was using 10/100 nics
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| 09:35 | <Nubae> my Dad bought a HP tablet PC for 900€, those things are seriously dropping in price
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| 09:44 | <Nubae> babbage?
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| 09:50 | <tadeu_> guy, i'm planning to have about 30 terminals. I'm not using a gigabit connection between the server and the switch, is it a real problem ?
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| 09:52 | <cyberorg> tadeu_, nopes
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| 09:52 | <Nubae> unless he wants to run google earth, video or blender
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| 09:53 | <maginot> tadeu_, here I have what you are asking
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| 09:53 | 35 clients 10/100
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| 09:53 | the only gigabit connection is between the ltsp server and the firewall
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| 09:53 | <tadeu_> great, thanks
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| 09:54 | <maginot> but Im planning to make all gigabit, the new clients already have gigabit nics, only the switchs tey are connected are 10/100
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| 10:24 | <dmarkey> how do i configure LTSP to use NFS on ubuntu
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| 10:33 | <TheProf> Hello. I hope everyone is doing well and having a good day. I thought to post a software RAID question here before I venture into the scary IRC channel of Centos :)
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| 10:33 | I've got a CentOS machine running on a single drive no problem. I wanted to add 2x400 GB drives as a RAID 1 mounted onto root for backing up my ltsp server
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| 10:34 | The problem - the size of the array is different than the size of the individual drives.
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| 10:34 | Each drive is 400 GB.
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| 10:34 | the array only reports 137 GB total.
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| 10:34 | fdisk reports 400 GB, mdadm reports 400 gb but DU reports 137
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| 10:35 | I tried writing a bunch of drives to see what the physical limit was, and reported an error and running out of space at 137
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| 10:35 | So I'm not sure what to do. Thanks.
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| 10:38 | Sorry, I meant the command df not du.
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| 11:02 | <pscheie_> TheProf, do you get the same result if you don't have the drives in a RAID config?
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| 11:04 | <TheProf> pscheie_: Hello. If I access each drive separately they show the correct 400 gb
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| 11:05 | it's only when I put them together their size decreases.
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| 11:07 | <pscheie_> TheProf, Centos 5?
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| 11:08 | <TheProf> Yes - 5.3
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| 11:08 | The steps I used to create the array are here http://mark.kolich.com/2008/11/howto-setup-and-configure-linux-software-raid-centosfedoraredhat.html
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| 11:10 | mdadm -D /dev/md0 shows me "Array Size : 390711296 (372.61 GiB 400.09 GB)"
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| 11:11 | df -h shows me "/dev/md0 126G 126G 0 100% /mnt/network_backup"
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| 11:11 | fdisk -l shows me two entries - hdc, hdd - each "Disk /dev/hdc: 400.0 GB, 400088457216 bytes"
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| 11:12 | So I am confused.
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| 11:20 | <TheProf> pscheie_: any thoughts?
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| 11:21 | <pscheie_> TheProf, hmm, not sure. Probably best to ask in #centos.
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| 11:22 | <TheProf> pscheie_: Alright I will do so. Thank you for your help
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| 11:22 | <morrocolinux> ltsp project is freezed ?
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| 11:23 | <pscheie_> TheProf, I noticed in the release notes for 5.3 that there seemed to be some 'regressions' but nothing related to mdadm
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| 11:23 | (just some obscure stuff we care about in my office, not ltsp related)
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| 11:24 | <TheProf> pscheie_: OK. it's strange because I tried it with two entirely different computers - a Pentium 1 and a P4 celeron. Completely different except for the drives.
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| 11:25 | <pscheie_> TheProf, but you got the same result on both machines?
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| 11:27 | <TheProf> pscheie_: yes - same problem with both.
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| 11:30 | <pscheie_> TheProf, sounds like a filesystem limitation; and '137GB' rings a bell, but I can't put my finger on it.
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| 11:31 | <pscheie_> TheProf, did you try just setting up one drive separately? That is, partition, create filesystem, then run df?
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| 11:35 | <TheProf> pscheie_: Ends up I'm quoting the wrong size limit - 126 (not 137) GB
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| 11:36 | <TheProf> I will try mounting one drive individually and running DF just to make sure.
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| 11:39 | <maginot> can someone give me a tip of a good gigabit nic model ? I will buy 35 new ethernet cards and dont want to make anymistake
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| 11:41 | <TheProf> pscheie_: I just tried to do as you recommended and it didn't work! I unmounted the raid, stopped the raid, and then mounted the individual drive with mount /dev/hdc /mnt/network_backup and then df and it only reports 126 GB
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| 11:41 | this is bizarre
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| 11:43 | <pscheie_> TheProf, but that's progress of a sort: the issue is the file system, not the raid
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| 11:44 | <TheProf> pscheie_: True.
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| 11:44 | THere is nothing of value on these drives so if we need to blow everything away we can if that will help.
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| 11:51 | <dmarkey> stgraber: hey, a few problems
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| 11:52 | recent implementations dont set up ltspfs unless LDM is used
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| 11:52 | debian etch works great, intrepid doesnt though
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| 11:53 | so, is there a few commands i can execute before rdesktop to make USB devices work
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| 11:53 | or anyone?
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| 11:54 | <stgraber> dmarkey: intrepid won't work, you need my PPA or jaunty
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| 11:54 | intrepid's version is too old
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| 11:54 | <dmarkey> stgraber: how come it works 100% in etch
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| 11:55 | everything got mounted in /media/root
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| 11:56 | <MRH2> hi xorg related question - do the SiS drivers still leave alot to be desired?
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| 11:56 | <dmarkey> hmm.. actually it might be sid
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| 11:56 | <TheProf> pscheie_: Just have to go into a meeting for 30 minutes and then I will return. Thank you.
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| 11:57 | <stgraber> dmarkey: etch has a backport
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| 11:57 | I believe you're using vagrantc's backport for Debian right ?
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| 11:57 | <dmarkey> stgraber: i'm using sqeeze in the chroot
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| 11:57 | that would explain it?
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| 11:59 | <stgraber> yes
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| 11:59 | you'd need jaunty in Ubuntu to get the same version of LTSP
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| 12:00 | <dmarkey> hmm.. i might stick with squeeze then
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| 12:00 | though i'm trying to test on a load of different thin clients, getting xserver issues, thought ubuntu might have been better in that regard
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| 12:02 | <stgraber> Ubuntu has some fix in Jaunty for most of the thin clients I have at the office
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| 12:03 | <stgraber> mainly DisklessWorkstation, Asus, WySE, Webdt and a few global opensource
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| 12:03 | these fix are included in LTSP when it's known to apply to all distributions but it's not yet the case for all of them
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| 12:09 | <dmarkey> its the Dell thin client we're having issues with
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| 12:10 | <stgraber> FX160 ?
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| 12:11 | <MRH2> that brings to to my SiS chipset capability question
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| 12:11 | it's the Dell 160 I was thinking about buying
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| 12:11 | <stgraber> it's not supported
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| 12:11 | there was an experimental driver in Intrepid (from a PPA) but in Jaunty the best you get is VESA
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| 12:12 | I guess someone is still working on a real driver for these SIS chipsets
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| 12:12 | even the onboard Linux on the FX160 is using VESA
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| 12:12 | <MRH2> ok that's it off my list then
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| 12:12 | shame they didn;t go for intel
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| 12:13 | <dmarkey> stgraber: thanks
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| 12:13 | <dmarkey> does the res setect OK with vesa?
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| 12:13 | detect
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| 12:13 | <stgraber> nope
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| 12:13 | even the SIS driver couldn't detect the resolution
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| 12:13 | you have to force it by hand with X_RANDR_MODE0 (or similar)
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| 12:14 | <dmarkey> oh really
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| 12:14 | can i have different x configs for different clients
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| 12:14 | <stgraber> yeah, I have 20 of them in a room next to mine :)
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| 12:15 | you can, assigning it by mac address
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| 12:15 | <dmarkey> how are they catagorised in the chroot?
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| 12:15 | <stgraber> (in lts.conf)
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| 12:15 | <dmarkey> oh
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| 12:15 | hmm
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| 12:15 | nig admin cost, can it not be done by lspci?
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| 12:15 | big*
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| 12:15 | or product number etc?
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| 12:16 | <stgraber> not really, as you can't guess what the screen resolution is
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| 12:16 | it's just not possible to know it
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| 12:16 | anyway, got to go now
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| 12:16 | <dmarkey> ok thanks for your help
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| 12:28 | <_fang> hi guys... anyone knows if it is possible to run webcams or fingerprint scanners with ltsp? as far as i could get it is not possible, but maybe someone got it running
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| 12:37 | <Lns> _fang: with localapps I'm sure it's plausible, as long as you can use it on a local install of the same OS
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| 12:44 | <dmarkey> is it possible to have a kernel spashscreen to hide the linuyx startup messages
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| 12:45 | <Lns> dmarkey: AFAIK there should be one by default on all LTSP installs, unless you disabled it in the tftp kernel boot config (or your video card doesn't support framebuffer or something weird like that)
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| 12:46 | <dmarkey> hm.. i copied the initrd off the LTSP server and to another tftp server
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| 12:47 | and vmlinuz
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| 12:51 | <Lns> dmarkey: not sure then
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| 12:52 | <dmarkey> Lns: hadnt the splash argument
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| 12:52 | <Lns> CAN-o-SPAM: hey how come the new logo isn't on your site yet? =)
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| 12:52 | <dmarkey> silly me
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| 12:52 | <Lns> dmarkey: minor detail ;)
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| 12:52 | <dmarkey> Lns: a kernel recompile is needed to rebrand that?
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| 12:52 | <Lns> dmarkey: i don't think so
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| 12:52 | <dmarkey> oh?
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| 12:52 | is it in the initrd?
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| 12:53 | <Lns> i haven't ever done that though, so not sure
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| 12:54 | <CAN-o-SPAM_> Lns: new logo should be on ltsp.org next week
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| 12:54 | <Treyh> hey guys
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| 12:55 | <Lns> CAN-o-SPAM: cool. Do we have permission to use the logo when talking about ltsp, say, on our website?
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| 12:55 | <CAN-o-SPAM_> yes
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| 12:55 | <Treyh> I'm using ubuntu 8.10, LTSP5, manually installed ltsp, and am getting this error when clients boot: Read failed: Inappropriate ioctl for device
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| 12:55 | any ideas?
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| 12:56 | <CAN-o-SPAM_> Lns: please reference LTSP is a registered trademark of DisklessWorkstations.com, LLC where you use it
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| 12:57 | <Lns> CAN-o-SPAM: will do
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| 12:59 | <Treyh> has anyone here successfully used nfs instead of nbd in ubuntu 8.10
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| 13:01 | <Lns> Treyh: this is a fully updated and vanilla chroot?
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| 13:01 | or have you made changes
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| 13:01 | <Treyh> fully updated and vanilla chroot
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| 13:01 | seems like the only answer i find on google, is to switch to using nfs
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| 13:02 | but I am using virtual box for the server and client
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| 13:02 | so thats another possibility
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| 13:06 | <Treyh> lol darn internet
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| 13:07 | so yes
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| 13:07 | <Treyh> generic everything on my ioctl problem
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| 13:07 | think switching to nfs woudl help?
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| 13:08 | <alkisg> Treyh: that's a usual message in 8.10. Any other problems?
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| 13:08 | <vagrantc> cyberorg: if you could comment on: http://bugs.debian.org/523281
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| 13:08 | cyberorg: that'd be cool.
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| 13:08 | <Treyh> well what happens is the ltsp client loads about 3 of the splash screen bars and stalls
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| 13:09 | <alkisg> Try to remove the splash screen and read what it says.
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| 13:09 | <Treyh> and the ioctl error is the last item in the syslog
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| 13:09 | how do i remove the splash screen ?
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| 13:10 | <alkisg> Are your clients etherboot or pxe?
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| 13:10 | <Treyh> pxe
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| 13:10 | i got it though
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| 13:10 | says
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| 13:10 | kernel call returned: broken pipe reconnecting
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| 13:10 | <alkisg> Remove "quiet splash" from the file /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.cfg/default
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| 13:10 | <Treyh> k
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| 13:10 | sec
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| 13:10 | <alkisg> That message is also normal :)
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| 13:11 | <Treyh> lol
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| 13:11 | ok quite splashed removed
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| 13:12 | <alkisg> Reboot and see if you can notice any other error messages
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| 13:12 | (the client)
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| 13:12 | <Treyh> i'm watching the txt now
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| 13:12 | the last thing says
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| 13:12 | error: ioctl/1.1a failed: bad file descriptor
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| 13:13 | does also say
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| 13:13 | *setting up LTSP CLIENT...
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| 13:13 | <Treyh> disconnecting: que, disconnect, [ 26.003076] nbd0: NBD_DISCONNECT sock, done
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| 13:14 | nbd0: receive control failed (result -32)
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| 13:14 | <alkisg> Any messages about not being able to mount rofs or something?
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| 13:15 | <Treyh> not so far
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| 13:15 | <alkisg> Ah, no, setting up ltsp client should be later than that...
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| 13:15 | <Treyh> still reading
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| 13:16 | don't see those errors
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| 13:16 | it shows
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| 13:16 | *loading kernel modules
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| 13:16 | *loading manual drivers
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| 13:16 | lp: drive loaded but no devices found
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| 13:16 | *setting up ltsp client
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| 13:16 | then the stuff i typed earlier
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| 13:17 | the disconnecting, the kernel call, negotitation, and the ioctl error
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| 13:17 | think it's possible this error is because my server/client are on virtualbox?
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| 13:18 | <alkisg> What kind of networking? Host, internal etc?
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| 13:18 | <Treyh> right now it's internal
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| 13:19 | <TheProf> pscheie_: My apologies -- the meeting took longer than I thought.
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| 13:19 | Any thoughts on why the drive would report a different size using df than using fdisk or mdadm?
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| 13:19 | <alkisg> Treyh: Should work fine... maybe there's some misconfiguration in your server nbd service. Gotta go though :(, good luck :)
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| 13:22 | <pscheie_> TheProf, ext3, which I assume you're using, has filesystem sizes in the TB range, so it seems unlikely that's where the problem lies.
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| 13:24 | TheProf, what if you try a different distro/kernel? Say, boot a knoppix disk in the machine, work with that, see if you get the same results
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| 13:24 | <TheProf> pscheie_: You are correct it's ext3 -- I used that type to create the partition.
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| 13:25 | <TheProf> pscheie_: I understand what you're saying -- I am just confused as to why some parts of the OS see the 400 GB and du doesn't. I don't have access right now to anything else since I have ssh access only now but I can try that option also.
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| 13:26 | pscheie_: could it be I partitioned/fdisked the drives wrong?
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| 13:26 | <pscheie_> TheProf, perhaps. Could also be this:
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| 13:27 | https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+question/59059
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| 13:27 | although this is ubuntu
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| 13:28 | <TheProf> Well it's almost identical issue!
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| 13:29 | Strange - I used two different motherboards and got the same issue. I'll try going through their list of steps
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| 13:29 | <pscheie_> Are the mobos from different manufacturers?
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| 13:30 | <TheProf> They are completely different machines. about 10 years apart. I will check the manufacture now
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| 13:35 | pscheie_: both are Intel motherboards.
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| 13:35 | One was a pentium II 550 Mhz, this is a celeron 2.0 ghz
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| 13:36 | The drives are both indentical seagate drives
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| 13:37 | <pscheie_> TheProf, try splitting the drives into multiple partitions, see if you at least see them all/ can access them, just to try to narrow the issue.
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| 13:37 | <TheProf> pscheie_: ok will do so now
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| 13:38 | <Lns> TheProf: i'd rule out that the drives simply weren't partitioned the differently before you do anything else...
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| 13:38 | <TheProf> Lns: Sorry I don't understand.
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| 13:39 | <Lns> TheProf: how big are the drive sizes?
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| 13:39 | <pscheie_> Lns, I think he gets the same result with just a single drive, no raid; but you are correct, that should be verified.
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| 13:40 | <Lns> TheProf: also, i'm hoping you meant 'df' not 'du'
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| 13:40 | <TheProf> they are 400 gb. fdisk reports 400 gb correctly.
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| 13:40 | <pscheie_> TheProf, suggest you leave out all the raid stuff just to keep it simple.
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| 13:40 | <TheProf> Yes I meant df
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| 13:40 | pscheie_: I've stopped the raid
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| 13:40 | and only mounted one drive
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| 13:41 | <Lns> TheProf: have you verified that the partition(s) on the drive take up the entire drive?
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| 13:41 | <TheProf> fdisk -l /dev/hdc shows me:
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| 13:41 | <Lns> (df will give you numbers based on the filesystem, not the actual drive size obviously so if the partition doesn't take up the whole drive, you aren't going to see it in 'df')
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| 13:41 | <TheProf> 2 heads, 4 sectors/track, 97677846 cylinders and that
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| 13:42 | dev/hdc1 1 97677824 390711294 83 Linux
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| 13:42 | so from what I can understand, the drive has 97677846 cyl
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| 13:42 | and that they are all being used with hdc1
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| 13:43 | <TheProf> if it's easier I can either 1) remove and recreate the partition or 2) remove and create multiple partitions to test
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| 13:44 | <Lns> well the fdisk info does look like it takes up the whole drive.. i could see that the older PII might not see the whole drive, but not the celery 2.0
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| 13:45 | well that's not true actually...might want to verify w/the mobo/bios support
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| 13:45 | <TheProf> I was getting annoyed with how it wasn't working with the old machine (it was actually a PI but I upgraded the CPU) so I pulled everything out and slapped them into a new one.
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| 13:45 | <Lns> TheProf: did you repartition after you put it in the new one?
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| 13:46 | <TheProf> Lns: No.
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| 13:46 | I can do that now.
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| 13:46 | <Lns> TheProf: is it possible it has a drive overlay software on it from an old install?
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| 13:46 | * Lns is just throwing out ideas | |
| 13:47 | <TheProf> Lns: all ideas are welcome :) they are newly purchased refurbished drives. The machine has the OS on a 6 GB drive then these for RAID
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| 13:47 | I can just to make sure, delete the partitions and recreate them now.
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| 13:47 | I tried using cfdisk but it won't start - generates an error so I'll use fdisk
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| 13:47 | <Lns> TheProf: what's the error?
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| 13:48 | <TheProf> fatal error - cannot seek on disk drive.
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| 13:48 | but that could reference the OS drive
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| 13:48 | <Lns> yikes
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| 13:49 | <Treyh> when you run ltsp-build-client on intrepid, it fails unless i specify a mirror, is that normal
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| 13:49 | <Lns> well obviously you want to give cfdisk the drive as an argument (cfdisk /dev/hdc)
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| 13:49 | <TheProf> Lns: doesn't matter which device.
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| 13:50 | it can't be that *3* separate drives are ALL failing
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| 13:50 | <Lns> TheProf: were they *all* in the old machine?
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| 13:50 | <TheProf> hmm...I think I know where this is going. Yes they all were for a few days.
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| 13:50 | <Lns> Treyh: i wouldn't assume so.
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| 13:50 | <TheProf> The OS was for a few weeks, the 2 new ones for a few days.
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| 13:51 | <Lns> TheProf: if they were partitioned in the old machine i'd repartition them..that's a strange error though
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| 13:51 | <TheProf> I'll repartition them now
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| 13:53 | Deleted all partitions on both 400 gb drives.
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| 13:56 | <pscheie_> TheProf, you may want to reboot; changing partitions on the non-primary drive shouldn't require a reboot, but I've seen cases where the kernel still held onto the old partition table.
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| 13:56 | If you still have trouble with the drive, that is.
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| 13:57 | <TheProf> pscheie_: these are non-primary drives but even after I removed the partition and quit fdisk writing the change I find that the command lshw is showing them reporting 127 Gib so I will reboot
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| 13:57 | <Treyh_> i bet using the --mirror of ubuntu when i built the client caused my ioctl error
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| 13:58 | <TheProf> pscheie_: hmm...I just realized I've got an fstab entry for the raid.
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| 13:58 | oh well - when it boots I'll remove it and reboot.
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| 14:08 | <TheProf> OK so I'm probably going to go nuts now :)
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| 14:09 | I have removed the partitions, removed the mdadm and fstab entries, and rebooted a few times just for good luck (I came from windows :) )
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| 14:09 | I type fdisk -l and get
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| 14:09 | Disk /dev/hdc: 400.0 GB, 400088457216 bytes
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| 14:09 | I type lshw (a hardware listing command) and get
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| 14:10 | size: 127GiB
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| 14:10 | it also lists it as ext3 even though there are no partitions. How is that possible?
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| 14:12 | <Lns> TheProf: no idea..maybe it's looking at the raw device and sees ext3 remnants. I have no idea. Have you tried putting the drives in new(er) machines and partitioning them?
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| 14:12 | i'm leaning toward your BIOS/mobo at this point
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| 14:13 | <Lns> gotta run, bbl
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| 14:13 | <TheProf> Lns: Thanks for your help
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| 14:13 | <Treyh_> i haven't been keeping up with your comments
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| 14:13 | did you format it?
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| 14:14 | <TheProf> Treyh_: Hello.
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| 14:14 | <Treyh_> Hello TheProf
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| 14:15 | <TheProf> I'm having a problem where df is reporting 127 GB limit
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| 14:15 | when the drive is actually 400 gb
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| 14:15 | some commands report one size, other commands report another size
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| 14:15 | <Treyh_> interesting
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| 14:15 | what distro you running
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| 14:15 | <TheProf> centos 5.3
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| 14:15 | trying to make a backup machine for my ltsp server
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| 14:15 | <Treyh_> is that end of life?
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| 14:16 | <TheProf> so I got 2x400 GB drives for a mirror raid.
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| 14:16 | 5.3? no that's just released a week ago
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| 14:16 | Good for a few more years at least
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| 14:16 | <Treyh_> Sorry I don't keep up with CentOS
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| 14:16 | 32 or 64 bit system
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| 14:17 | <TheProf> Treyh_: No problem.
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| 14:17 | 32 bit system
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| 14:17 | OS is on a 4 GB drive drive.
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| 14:17 | these are additional drives
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| 14:17 | <Treyh_> did you completely format them
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| 14:17 | <TheProf> to be put into a software raid array and mounted
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| 14:18 | the only step I didn't do is the specific format command. I partitioned then ran mkfs.ext3
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| 14:19 | Which I thought was the same process as formatting
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| 14:19 | <Treyh_> yea
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| 14:19 | so you ran say fdisk /dev/hdb
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| 14:19 | then created partitions?
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| 14:19 | <TheProf> correct
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| 14:20 | <Treyh_> yea you did it right
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| 14:20 | <TheProf> went with defaults for 1 full primary partition the whole size
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| 14:20 | <Treyh_> sounds strange
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| 14:20 | <TheProf> Indeed. I just removed all the partitions off the drive.
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| 14:20 | I will try to create one now.
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| 14:20 | <Treyh_> do it manually
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| 14:20 | type in the size you want
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| 14:20 | and do something like 380000mb
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| 14:21 | <TheProf> it asks me based on cylinders.
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| 14:21 | <Treyh_> ouch
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| 14:21 | hmmm
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| 14:21 | <TheProf> I was going by the min and max that fdisk reported
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| 14:21 | <Treyh_> that will work unless thats wrong
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| 14:22 | <TheProf> ok
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| 14:23 | <Treyh_> i'm trying to think
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| 14:23 | reminds me of the times i had to install openbsd
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| 14:23 | on a mini firewall, with a flash card as a hd
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| 14:24 | <TheProf> Nice.
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| 14:24 | I was able to enter a size rather than cylinder
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| 14:25 | <Treyh_> cool, what size did you enter
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| 14:26 | <TheProf> +400000M
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| 14:26 | some sort of approximation :)
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| 14:26 | <Treyh_> lol that will probably fail
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| 14:26 | better to go with 385000M
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| 14:26 | <TheProf> I wanted something close to 400 GB
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| 14:26 | it was accepted :)
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| 14:26 | <Treyh_> cool
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| 14:26 | i hope it works
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| 14:27 | how long til you will know?
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| 14:27 | <TheProf> lshw actually is reporting a larger size!
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| 14:27 | well the partition was already created.
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| 14:27 | I tried to mount it but it says that I have to specify a filesystem type
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| 14:27 | probably because I didn't format it?
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| 14:28 | <Treyh_> thats a fdisk option
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| 14:28 | i know type 66 is for bsd
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| 14:28 | not sure about ext3
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| 14:28 | i'm an old school freebsd guy
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| 14:28 | <TheProf> ok
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| 14:28 | <Treyh_> but i think thats where your failure was at
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| 14:28 | your cylinder count was wrong
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| 14:28 | <TheProf> it's automatically set to linux - type 83
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| 14:29 | I guess I need to run that mkfs.ext3 command
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| 14:29 | <Treyh_> yea probably wouldn't hurt
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| 14:29 | i'm reading about it now
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| 14:30 | this site says to do mkfs -t /ext3 /dev/hdb1
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| 14:30 | but just do your normal command you'reused to
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| 14:32 | it work?
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| 14:32 | <TheProf> I just ran mkfs.ext3 -b 4096 /dev/hdb1
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| 14:32 | it's processing now.
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| 14:32 | <Treyh_> i have to go soon
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| 14:32 | i want to know if it worked lol
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| 14:32 | <TheProf> Me too!
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| 14:32 | <Treyh_> you know it kills me
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| 14:32 | ppl make things too complicated
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| 14:32 | <TheProf> it worked!
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| 14:32 | I mounted it and ran df
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| 14:33 | dev/hdc1 367G 195M 348G 1% /mnt/network_backup
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| 14:33 | <Treyh_> awesome
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| 14:33 | now do you know anything about ltsp on intrepid ?
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| 14:33 | lol
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| 14:33 | omg
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| 14:33 | wait
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| 14:33 | darn
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| 14:33 | didn't work
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| 14:33 | :( cry
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| 14:34 | i am thinking about just going back to fiesty
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| 14:34 | 8.04
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| 14:34 | seems like ltsp works on it
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| 14:34 | but not for intrepid
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| 14:34 | <TheProf> I am very non-experienced with LTSP beyond straightforward stuff.
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| 14:34 | So my apologies!
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| 14:35 | However I will say this channel will have someone who can answer it come along sooner or later.
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| 14:37 | <Treyh_> ty
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| 14:37 | ttyl
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| 14:51 | <alkisg> Nubae, Lns: I've timed the boot times of my ancient lab PCs - from grub to ldm, fastest = 700MHz = 50 secs, slowest = 300 MHz = 1 min 10 secs.
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| 14:51 | So I was about right the other day that we were talking about boot times...
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| 15:32 | <TheProf> pscheie_: Thank you for all your help. it seems to be working once I specified the exact size in fdisk.
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| 15:34 | <pscheie_> Yes, I saw that it looked like you were in business (I had stepped away from my desk for a while)
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| 15:34 | Glad it's working for you.
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| 15:36 | <Lns> alkisg: ok? :)
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| 15:37 | (not sure where you're going with it, i don't remember a conversation about boot times recently :) )
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| 15:39 | <alkisg> No, nowhere, just reporting the actual boot times, because 2-3 days ago that we talked about it I hadn't actually timed the booting process...
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| 15:39 | Nevermind :)
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| 15:42 | <Lns> ah
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| 15:42 | alkisg: that's kind of a long time, where does it hang up?
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| 15:43 | <alkisg> Lns: 50 seconds is a long time for booting a 10 year old pc?!!!
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| 15:43 | <Lns> the hardware itself, i wouldn't think anyway, has a whole lot to do with it (as long as it's not a 486 anyway!)
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| 15:43 | the network would have much more to do with it, or a bootup-specific issue
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| 15:44 | <alkisg> nubae was expecting them to boot in many minutes, that's why I was reporting the actual boot times...
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| 15:45 | <Lns> I dunno, I have neoware via 1GHz systems booting roughly the same as PIII 550MHz machines on the same network
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| 15:47 | <alkisg> Lns, I agree with you, 64 mb ram and 400 mhz PCs are fine for ltsp - that's what I was saying... http://www.nubae.com/logs/ltsp20090406_pg3.html
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| 15:48 | Anyway, nevermind, I just happened to count the boot times today, no big deal
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| 15:50 | <Lns> alkisg: ahh gotcha
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| 15:50 | * Lns doesn't have a great memory =p | |
| 15:50 | <alkisg> It's just that I keep hearing that "ltsp clients need 256 ram" lately, and I wonder why
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| 15:50 | (if no localapps are needed, of course)
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| 15:51 | <Lns> alkisg: lately as compared to in 4.2 ?
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| 15:51 | <alkisg> No, lately = the last few months in the mailing list, here in the irc...
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| 15:52 | <Lns> alkisg: ah. well obviously it doesn't hurt to patch issues like the pixmap thing, localdev/localapps, the fact that ltsp5 uses distro kernel/utils instead of a totally optimized one for low power machines
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| 15:53 | alkisg: 256mb is the new 32mb ;)
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| 15:53 | <alkisg> Well, all those things run fine with my 64mb clients, that's all I'm saying.
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| 15:53 | <Lns> alkisg: even with using firefox, flash/java, openoffice, etc?
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| 15:53 | under gnome ?
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| 15:53 | <alkisg> Yes, but of course not as localapps
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| 15:54 | <Lns> right
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| 15:54 | <alkisg> The right click firefox bug is there, sure, but otherwise it's ok
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| 15:54 | <Lns> i was just talking about the pixmap
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| 15:54 | that's so weird, i've never run into that problem
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| 15:54 | you've optimized ff3 right?
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| 15:54 | (via the wiki entry i made)
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| 15:55 | <alkisg> Nah, Gadi gave me a patched library, I tested and was significantly faster, but I didn't put it at the schools
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| 15:56 | I'd like a patched SDL on the other hand :)
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| 15:57 | <Lns> one can dream... :)
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| 17:31 | <Treyh> would you guys recommend using the alternative ubuntu intrepid install
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| 17:32 | or downloading intrepid and building it by hand
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| 17:32 | or using ubuntu 8.0.4.1 and building it by hand
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| 17:33 | <ogra> !ubuntu
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| 17:33 | <ltspbot> ogra: "ubuntu" is a Debian based GNU/Linux distrubution that includes a Ubuntu specific version of LTSP. It can be found at http://www.ubuntulinux.org. to install ltsp on ubuntu: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPQuickInstall
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| 17:33 | <ogra> see the latter link
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| 17:34 | <Treyh> my question is which would you guys recommend
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| 17:34 | hardy or intrepid
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| 17:34 | <ogra> intrepid
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| 17:34 | unless you want to buy commercial support for it
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| 17:35 | <Treyh> the problem is that i've installed using the alternate cd
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| 17:35 | and installed intrepid directly and custom built it
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| 17:35 | the end result is the same
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| 17:35 | the client doesn't finish booting, the splash screen freezes on the third bar
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| 17:36 | talked to a few in here, turned on quiet splash and the errors at the bottom are normal
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| 17:36 | <ogra> the result isnt the same, since you configured it manually :)
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| 17:36 | <Treyh> one suggested it to be a nbd problem
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| 17:36 | same problem on both setups, freezes at login
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| 17:36 | <ogra> at login ?
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| 17:36 | <Treyh> i mean freezes at splash screen
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| 17:38 | any suggestions?
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| 17:39 | <Lns> Treyh: disconnecting: que, disconnect, [ 26.003076] nbd0: NBD_DISCONNECT sock, done -- Treyh nbd0: receive control failed (result -32)
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| 17:39 | Treyh: right?
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| 17:40 | <Treyh> yea that was some of it
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| 17:40 | <Lns> Anything above that that would have caused those errors?
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| 17:40 | (looking for the first indication)
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| 17:40 | <Treyh> i am bringing it up now
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| 17:41 | <Lns> Whatever it is, it's killing your network and/or nbd connection to the server
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| 17:41 | <Treyh> so could be a network issue?
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| 17:41 | <Lns> possibly
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| 17:42 | <Lns> is it the exact same point every time that it dies?
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| 17:42 | <Treyh> yes
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| 17:42 | i'm also using virtual box
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| 17:42 | <Lns> oh yeah
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| 17:43 | <Treyh> anything special that i might have missed there
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| 17:43 | i'm using internal net
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| 17:43 | i'll switch it to nat and try again real quick
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| 17:43 | <Lns> well that's out of my realm, though I wouldn't think that if it got as far as it did, it'd just die there every time unless your nbd image is corrupted
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| 17:44 | <Treyh> if my nbd image is corrupt
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| 17:44 | how can i rebuild/replace it
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| 17:45 | <Lns> ltsp-update-image
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| 17:45 | you sure your chroot is complete?
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| 17:45 | if you ran ltsp-build-client and it didn't complete successfully you'll have issues
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| 17:45 | even if you ltsp-update-image
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| 17:46 | <Treyh> it did complete and i've actually rebuilt it twice
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| 17:46 | <Lns> ah
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| 17:46 | <Treyh> the guide i used suggested to do ltsp-build-client --mirror .......
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| 17:46 | <Lns> you rebuilt the chroot by removing /opt/ltsp/ and then running ltsp-build-client ?
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| 17:46 | <Treyh> so then i switched to just ltsp-build-client
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| 17:46 | yes but i only removed /opt/ltsp/i386
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| 17:46 | <Lns> i think that's ok to do
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| 17:47 | <Treyh> when i tried to rebuild it told me what to do
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| 17:47 | <Lns> and you've re-run ltsp-update-kernels too?
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| 17:47 | <Treyh> yes
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| 17:47 | and also ltsp-update-sshkeys
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| 17:48 | <Lns> have you tried booting different h...heh, nevermind, you have no real hardware =p
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| 17:48 | you're booting a vbox guest?
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| 17:48 | <Treyh> yes
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| 17:48 | one thing it might be
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| 17:48 | MIGHT BE
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| 17:48 | is everytime i reboot
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| 17:48 | the static ip i put on eth0 doesn't stick
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| 17:49 | <Lns> reboot the guest?
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| 17:49 | <Treyh> maybe when i do the update ltsp-update-sshkeys it gets freaked out cuz it changes
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| 17:49 | yes
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| 17:49 | maybe i'm putting the static in wrong
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| 17:49 | <Lns> you don't want a static ip on the guest
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| 17:49 | err..client
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| 17:49 | <Treyh> oops
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| 17:49 | i mean server
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| 17:49 | <Lns> k
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| 17:49 | <Treyh> the ltsp server
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| 17:49 | is there a trick to gettign the static ip to stick?
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| 17:49 | <Lns> no clue...not much vbox exp
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| 17:50 | <Treyh> that is just a ubuntu question
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| 17:50 | i put the static ip in thru the network config
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| 17:50 | and when i reboot it doesn't stick
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| 17:51 | <Lns> through network manager?
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| 17:51 | s/manager/damager
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| 17:51 | <Treyh> i put it in thru network manager
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| 17:51 | maybe i need to hard code it
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| 17:52 | <Treyh> in a file instead of using the network manager
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| 17:52 | <Lns> i usually do, just because network manager on a ltsp server is kinda unnecessary imo
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| 17:52 | <Treyh> what file holds the info
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| 17:52 | <Lns> /etc/network/interfaces
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| 17:56 | <Treyh> ty got it configured
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| 17:56 | rebooting, that might be my problem
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| 17:58 | <Lns> cool
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| 17:59 | <Treyh> didn't work
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| 17:59 | didn't stick
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| 18:00 | but found site that suggested to uninstall network manager
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| 18:00 | so did and am rebooting
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| 18:04 | and had to put the statis back in
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| 18:04 | and am goign to reboot again lol
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| 18:06 | cool it stuck
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| 18:07 | so i'll run the ltsp-update-image kernels and sshkeys
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| 18:11 | <Treyh> ok running the updates
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| 18:11 | you still there lns
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| 18:12 | <Lns> yo
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| 18:14 | <Treyh> doing the rebuilds now
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| 18:14 | should i reboot after ltsp-update-*
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| 18:14 | after the kernels, image, and sshkeys
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| 18:18 | <Lns> the client, yes
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| 18:18 | not the server
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| 18:18 | <Treyh> still stuck at the same place
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| 18:19 | should i do ltsp-update-image last?
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| 18:19 | <Lns> You've done all chroot updates after rebuilding it?
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| 18:19 | <Treyh> chroot updates?
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| 18:19 | i did
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| 18:19 | ltsp-update-image
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| 18:19 | ltsp-update-kernels
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| 18:19 | ltsp-update-sshkeys
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| 18:19 | in that order
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| 18:19 | <Lns> nono... https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/UpdatingChroot
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| 18:20 | <Treyh> you have a link for intrepid
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| 18:21 | <Lns> just replace hardy with intrepid
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| 18:21 | everything else should be applicable i think
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| 18:22 | <Treyh> k
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| 18:22 | working on it now
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| 18:38 | <Treyh> it's saying 0% [Connecting to archive.ubuntu.com] [Connecting to security.ubuntu.com]
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| 18:39 | been at 0% for a while
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| 18:41 | <Treyh> n/m ran it again and it went
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| 18:49 | * Lns has seen that before as well | |
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| 19:02 | <Treyh> same result
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| 19:02 | lol
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| 19:02 | darn it
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| 19:05 | <Lns> weird.
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| 19:05 | personally not sure at all at this point.
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| 19:21 | <Lns> You able to try and boot a physical client from the VM ltsp server?
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| 19:25 | gotta run - good luck Treyh
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| 20:38 | <Treyh> i finally figured out the issue
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| 20:38 | i replaced nbd with nfs
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| 20:38 | and worked with a champ on intrepid
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| 23:10 | <thebbxx2000> anyone know how to go about changing the background image for the login screen?
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| 23:10 | mine says lstp.org on it
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| 23:10 | but i want my company logo
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| 23:13 | <thebbxx2000> wuddup intelliant
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| 23:16 | <Ryan52> thebbxx2000: which distro?
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| 23:16 | <thebbxx2000> debian
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| 23:17 | <Ryan52> cp -a /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/share/ldm/themes/ltsp/ /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/share/ldm/themes/company/
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| 23:18 | cp company_logo.png /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/share/ldm/themes/company/logo.png
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| 23:18 | then add "LDM_THEME=company" to /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf under the [default] section.
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| 23:19 | <thebbxx2000> cool thanks.. . do i have to rebuild the image after that or anything?
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| 23:19 | <Ryan52> hm...rebuild the image? are you using nbd? or nfs?
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| 23:19 | <thebbxx2000> not sure, default
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| 23:19 | i installed from a package
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| 23:19 | <Ryan52> then you're using nfs, and don't need to do anything.
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| 23:20 | <thebbxx2000> thanks
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| 23:20 | <Ryan52> np
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| 23:21 | <thebbxx2000> i saw on youtube how someone was booting a winxp image which was stored on a linux server
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| 23:21 | but
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| 23:21 | what's the point of that unless it would actually run the workload on the server
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| 23:22 | seemed like it was just running locally with scsii over ethernet
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| 23:45 | <k-man> is there a very thin/light live cd i can use to as an ltsp client?
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| 23:47 | <Ryan52> k-man: put gpxe on a floppy or something.
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| 23:47 | k-man: if you don't want to use floppys, gpxe might support CDs. if not, you can put floppy images onto a cd and make it bootable.
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| 23:48 | how, I forgot. but you can probably google or ask in your distro's channel.
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| 23:51 | <k-man> Ryan52: thanks, ill have a look at gpxe
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| 23:54 | Ryan52: ah, i see, thats just for booting over ethernet
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| 23:54 | can it work over wireless?
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| 23:54 | <Ryan52> oh, I'm confused...I think...hmm.
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| 23:55 | It can't.
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| 23:59 | <alkisg> k-man: no. there was an attempt for a specific wireless card in its code but nothing working atm.
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| 23:59 | <k-man> alkisg: oh well, thanks anyway
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