IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.libera.chat (webchat)
Channel log from 17 July 2007 (all times are UTC)
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| 02:03 | <klausade> shale: tell us where your rdesktop-stuff is.
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| 03:21 | <Q-FUNK> ogra: I'm with a friend who has a default edubuntu/feisty install, so we're comparing that with ltsp/etch.
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| 03:22 | <Q-FUNK> ogra: and the bugs we get on each, using the same thin client hardware, are vastly different.
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| 03:22 | <paras> klausade, hello
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| 03:22 | <ogra> etch is about the same development level as edgy
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| 03:23 | Q-FUNK, so feisty is about 1.5 releases ahead
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| 03:23 | <Q-FUNK> ogra: ok. anyhow, we cannot get to the ldm prompt on edubuntu/feisty.
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| 03:23 | <ogra> but the clients boot properly up to that point ?
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| 03:24 | <klausade> paras: hello
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| 03:24 | <paras> klausade, hello
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| 03:24 | klausade, i created the lts.conf as u have mentioned but still problem exists
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| 03:25 | <Q-FUNK> they seem to get up until the point where it tries to get the swap using nbd
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| 03:25 | <ogra> Q-FUNK, ?? nbd usage is quitened, you shouldnt see it at all
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| 03:26 | <paras> klausade, how do i start esd daemon?
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| 03:26 | <Q-FUNK> beats me :)
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| 03:26 | <paras> klausade, i mean not in lts.conf but when the system starts
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| 03:26 | <ogra> Q-FUNK, i bet you see nbd-client's startup script (which runs but is ignored after ldm)
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| 03:27 | <klausade> paras: SOUND_DAEMON=esd in lts.conf does that.
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| 03:27 | <ogra> do you see "starting ltsp client ..." earlier =
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| 03:27 | ?
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| 03:27 | <paras> klausade, do i need to start esd by something like: esd -public -nobeeps ?
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| 03:28 | <klausade> paras: I never needed to do that.
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| 03:28 | <paras> klausade, ok. i don;t what went wroing . i am having a really hard time to enable sound in my clients
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| 03:29 | <ogra> klausade, depends on the distro you use :)
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| 03:29 | ubuntu instralls and starts esd by default in old releases ...
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| 03:29 | not sure if debian does that
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| 03:30 | <klausade> ogra: yes. but he is on etch, I think esd is installed and started by default.
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| 03:31 | <Q-FUNK> ogra: yup
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| 03:31 | <ogra> i'd check the installation status at least
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| 03:31 | the code should start it if its there though
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| 03:31 | Q-FUNK, alt-f7 has nothing then ?
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| 03:33 | <Q-FUNK> ogra: indeed
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| 03:34 | I see X trying to start a couple oof times, but nothing conclusive
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| 03:34 | <ogra> weird
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| 03:34 | aha
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| 03:34 | <paras> klausade, yes i am on etch.. any tips for me what sud i check to solve my sound problems?
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| 03:34 | <ogra> set a rootpw in the chroot and check the Xorg.6.log
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| 03:35 | paras, chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 dpkg -l esound
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| 03:35 | paras, see if it even exists in the client installation
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| 03:39 | <klausade> paras: yes, tell us if you have esound in the chroot.
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| 03:39 | <paras> ogra, klausade yes checking...
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| 03:45 | ogra, klausade yes esound is there in both server and clients
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| 03:45 | ogra, klausade i see /dev/dsp no such file or directpry while booting
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| 03:46 | <ogra> paras, remove it on the server if you can
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| 03:46 | esd in ubuntu is patched to allow multiuser ... debians isnbt
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| 03:46 | <paras> ogra, u mean i sud remove esound inside chroot?
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| 03:47 | <ogra> running it on the server will exclusively create a socket in tmp thats owned by the first desktop user
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| 03:47 | no, on t6he server, not in the chroot
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| 03:47 | <paras> ogra, ok
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| 03:48 | <ogra> or at least prevent it from starting on the server ;)
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| 03:48 | <paras> ogra, removed.. sud i remove esound-common as well ?
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| 03:49 | <ogra> /dev/dsp missing on the client will only count if you forced the system to use oss drivers on the client (in that case esd wouldnt be able to start)
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| 03:49 | paras, common should be fine
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| 03:49 | <paras> ogra, ok
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| 03:49 | ogra, let me check now
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| 03:49 | * ogra really waits fo9r debian to sync up so esd ont show up in support qestions anymore ... | |
| 03:50 | <ogra> esd is pretty much dead in ltsp land ...
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| 03:51 | <Q-FUNK> ogra: tailing from outside the chroot shows that no X log exists inside the chroot
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| 03:51 | <ogra> Q-FUNK, that cant be if you see X starting
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| 03:51 | should be /var/log/Xorg.6.log
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| 03:52 | <Q-FUNK> ogra: I see the screen flashing and the monitor's relays clicking, because something wants to change resolution
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| 03:52 | <ogra> (on the running client, not in the chroot)
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| 04:02 | <Q-FUNK> ogra: where does the client's log go to? some temporary dir?
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| 04:03 | <paras> ogra, i don't see /dev/dsp if in my clinets
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| 04:08 | ogra, i see /dev/dsp in chroot but not in my clients
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| 04:20 | <Envite> Hello all from Spain (again)
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| 04:20 | Hola a todos desde España (de nuevo)
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| 04:38 | <paras> klausade, when i my client is booting i see /dev/dsp : No such file or dire.. i guess this is a problem
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| 04:39 | <ogra> paras, as i said that only counts if you use oss driveres (which you shouldnt anyway)
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| 04:41 | <paras> ogra, so i can ignore that message
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| 04:41 | <ogra> unless you use oss drivers, yes :)
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| 04:42 | <paras> ogra, well i am a bit confused on this.. i just want sound..by using any deamon
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| 04:42 | <ogra> (in ubuntu you need to forcefully load them through MODULE_xx entries in lts.conf, else it will default to alsa)
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| 04:42 | paras, well even a daemon needs a device
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| 04:43 | <paras> ogra, so while i am using esd i don't nedd oss right?
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| 04:44 | <ogra> you *always* need a driver and a device to attach a daemon to ... if you use oss drivers this is called /dev/dsp ... with alsa its something like /dev/snd/<something> or so
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| 04:44 | the warning you see about /dev/dsp is merely obsolete
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| 04:45 | <paras> ogra, ok
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| 04:45 | * ogra really starts to wonder whats wrong with debians sound implementation | |
| 04:45 | <paras> ogra, klausade has running ltsp system in debian
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| 04:46 | <ogra> paras, plain etch and sound working out of the box (as it should be ) ?
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| 04:47 | (note that i dont test debian, i can only judge by the old ubuntu code it is based on)
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| 04:47 | i know there are some differences between ubuntus alsa and debians
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| 04:48 | so you might have to do some extrs tasks ...
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| 04:48 | <paras> ogra, ok..
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| 04:49 | ogra, do u suggest building ltsp env using tar balls rather than from debian packages?
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| 04:50 | <ogra> nah
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| 04:50 | use what your distro provides ...
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| 04:51 | <paras> ogra, ok
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| 04:51 | <ogra> mixing ubuntu and debian might work though, but feisty is far beyond etch so it might expect extra stuff on the server side that didnt even exist in etch ... which brings up other additional probs
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| 04:52 | <paras> ogra, yes i have ttried that ... the ltsp packages in feisty tired to upgrade libc6 in my debian server.. which is not normal
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| 04:53 | <ogra> (i.e. feisty needsa asoundconf to set up the virtual alsa devices we use in ltsp now ... i dont even know if debian has asoundconf at all)
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| 04:53 | paras, indeed thats normal, etch is about 7 months older than feisty
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| 04:53 | so it needs anewer set of libs
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| 04:53 | <paras> ogra, YES
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| 05:12 | <Q-FUNK> ogra: the last line is screen found, but none that have a usable configuration
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| 05:12 | <ogra> thats feisty or gutsy ?
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| 05:13 | gutsy didnt use any X config yet (new xorg should be capable to detect everything without config ...)
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| 05:14 | i justr uploaded a gutsy package with a completely new X detection (it turned out to be bad for keyboards and mice without any config)
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| 05:14 | so if its gutsy it might solve that prob ...
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| 05:14 | <Q-FUNK> feisty
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| 05:14 | <ogra> if its feisty check if it works with XSERVER=vesa in the lts.conf
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| 05:15 | (it should in any case)
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| 05:15 | (even though it might drop to 1024x768)
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| 05:30 | <Q-FUNK> it doesn't
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| 05:30 | <ogra> it doesnt drop ? or it doesnt work ?
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| 05:31 | <Q-FUNK> we see it uses the vesa driver in the log, but still sam emessage about no suitable screen
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| 05:31 | <ogra> did you make any changes to the default lts.conf ?
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| 05:32 | * ogra hasnt seen X not working *at all* yet ... vesa uses the hardcoded resolutions of the cards bios ... that must work ... very weird | |
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| 05:35 | <ari_stress> hi all
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| 05:35 | i'm back
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| 05:35 | i want to report that LTSP + LDAP now works :D
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| 05:36 | thanks for MrMoo for giving me the right direction
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| 05:36 | <ogra> great :)
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| 05:37 | <ari_stress> it's been a couple of years since i tried LTSP, i'm impressed on how very good it is now
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| 05:37 | bravo LTSP
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| 05:37 | <Q-FUNK> this has no bios. it has linuxbios.
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| 05:37 | <ogra> would be good to have a proper howto for ltsp+ldap :)
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| 05:38 | Q-FUNK, talking about the graphics card, not the system BIOS
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| 05:38 | <Q-FUNK> this is a geode. the graphic card is integrated inside the cpu
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| 05:38 | <ogra> ah, geode with feisty ?
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| 05:38 | <Q-FUNK> howver it supports standard vesa modes, so this should work
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| 05:38 | yup
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| 05:39 | <ogra> that ne4eds the amd driver, no ?
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| 05:39 | <MrMoo> just a regular ldap auth would cover it, but here's waiting for LDAP other than OpenLDAP
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| 05:39 | nsc for Geode
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| 05:39 | <ogra> sure ?
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| 05:39 | <MrMoo> the Starbox clients I have are Geode + NSC
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| 05:39 | <ogra> i thought thats -amd
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| 05:39 | <MrMoo> same thing
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| 05:39 | amd tried to re-brand the driver
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| 05:39 | <ogra> well, i have one that needs the amd driver here
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| 05:40 | comapq evo T20 thin cklient ...
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| 05:40 | (until the ebox 2300 cam up the worst HW i've seen so far
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| 05:40 | )
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| 05:40 | <ari_stress> ogra: sure. i'll write one asap
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| 05:40 | <ogra> ari_stress, very cool, thanks ! :)
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| 05:41 | <MrMoo> try both, either LX, GX1 or GX2 chipset,
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| 05:41 | <ogra> MrMoo, the new ubuntu server team is working on a default ldap server setup for gutsy+1 ...
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| 05:41 | <Q-FUNK> ogra, ideally amd, but vesa should work. we used it before -amd was released
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| 05:41 | <ogra> we'll hook into that with fat clients
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| 05:41 | <MrMoo> ogra, nice
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| 05:42 | <Q-FUNK> MrMoo: early geodes were by nsc. x driver nsc. recent ones are by amd, driver amd.
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| 05:42 | <ogra> sadly they will only attack the client side for gutsy ...
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| 05:42 | Q-FUNK, can you try to install the -amd driver in the chroot and check if it works with XSERVER=amd ?
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| 05:43 | <MrMoo> Q-FUNK, the GX chipsets are dumped into "Other Geode Processors" on the AMD page now I see
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| 05:43 | http://www.amd.com/us-en/ConnectivitySolutions/ProductInformation/0,,50_2330_9863_9864,00.html
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| 05:44 | ogra, I'm wondering if I can adapt Gutsy embedded/mobile to migrate my FreeBSD Samba 4 server
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| 05:45 | FreeBSD is a bit tedious to look after
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| 05:46 | <ogra> well, i think they only got the kernel booting last week ... i'd wait a bit ;)
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| 05:46 | and indeed you wont want the desktop bits :)
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| 05:47 | <MrMoo> I'm in no hurry, it kind of works sufficient enough now, and no new TPs from the Samba team in a while
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| 05:49 | <ogra> i'll do some testing oin the classmatePC with the mobile stuff if it really gains any speed etc ... (to be honest i doubt it will make a "feelable" difference to the -386 kernel flavour)
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| 05:51 | <MrMoo> Maybe the frame buffer integration might help at least make it look tidier to start
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| 05:54 | The big cosmetic improvements I can think of are immediate swap from loading progress screen to login screen, and from login screen to ready desktop, although faces would be nice too
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| 06:10 | <gvy> g'day
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| 07:31 | <cliebow_> jammcq!!!!
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| 07:31 | <jammcq> cliebow_: hey chucky
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| 07:32 | <cliebow_> thought abotu bts at all?
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| 07:32 | <jammcq> yeah
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| 07:32 | I have
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| 07:32 | we should talk to david lloyd
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| 07:32 | <cliebow_> cool..let me know if there is anything i need to do..
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| 07:32 | <jammcq> the next Ubuntu dev summit is in boston
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| 07:32 | <cliebow_> yep
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| 07:32 | <jammcq> it starts the 28th
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| 07:32 | of october
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| 07:32 | <cliebow_> kl
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| 07:33 | k
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| 07:33 | <jammcq> so, we might consider having bts start on nov 2nd
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| 07:33 | not sure who all will be able to attend
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| 07:33 | <Q-FUNK> ogra: copied and installed nsc and amd in chroot. no effect.
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| 07:33 | ogra: X still cannot find any valid screen to use
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| 07:33 | <jammcq> the ubuntu guys will have to stay at the dev summit through the evening of nov 1st, and they'll have to be back on monday, Nov 5th I think
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| 07:34 | so that only gives them sat/sun
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| 07:34 | <cliebow_> we can start noising it around..i'd LOVE to have ogra go through the initramfs with us..
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| 07:34 | sounds awful tight..
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| 07:35 | like a step at a time for the geriatric set..
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| 07:35 | <jammcq> yeah, that would be great, cuz there's been alot of changes lately
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| 07:36 | <cliebow_> for sure..
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| 07:52 | <cliebow_> ls
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| 08:16 | <ByPasS> I've just followed the Debian Etch Howto (ltsp5) but when i try to boot the client it fails to boot as pxelinux.cfg cannot be found
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| 08:22 | <cliebow_> ByPasS, i am too rusty to help..but i'll listen..
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| 08:27 | <ByPasS> pxe entry point found then tries to load pxelinux.cfg but fails
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| 08:30 | <sbalneav> Morning all
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| 08:30 | <cliebow_> Scott!!
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| 08:31 | <ByPasS> morning sbal :)
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| 08:31 | <sbalneav> He cliebow_
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| 08:31 | Hello
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| 08:32 | <cliebow_> 8~)
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| 08:33 | <cliebow_> sbalneav, know if gutsy kernel respects DPORT in option 129?
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| 08:34 | <sbalneav> No, I don't
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| 08:39 | <fxrsliberty> sbalneav: good day sir
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| 08:39 | <sbalneav> Hello
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| 08:43 | <fxrsliberty> sbalneav: have your heard of any problems loading the VIA82cxxx drivers in other distro's ?
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| 08:43 | <sbalneav> Not off the top of my head, no.
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| 08:44 | However, google brings up a fair number of hits for problems in distros.
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| 08:45 | <fxrsliberty> yea, I was wondering more ablut ltsp specific reports
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| 08:45 | s/ablut/about
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| 08:47 | <sbalneav> Google only brings up a couple of hits on ltsp-4.2
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| 08:49 | <fxrsliberty> sbalneav: did you have a moment to crack the initrd ?
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| 08:49 | <sbalneav> No, not yet.
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| 08:49 | I'll email you when I do.
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| 08:49 | <fxrsliberty> no problem
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| 08:49 | <sbalneav> Might take a week before I can get to it.
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| 08:50 | <fxrsliberty> have you ever looked at the LTSP5 work being done at ALT linux under sisyphus?
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| 08:50 | <gvy> oO
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| 08:51 | <gvy> fxrsliberty, well, but how did you know about that?
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| 08:51 | <gvy> fxrsliberty, it's my colleague and a bit of me working on ltsp5 in sisyphus :)
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| 08:52 | <fxrsliberty> I have read avery single hit there is on LTSP5+RPM
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| 08:52 | ;)
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| 08:52 | <gvy> wow :)
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| 08:52 | <thresh> sup
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| 08:52 | <fxrsliberty> gvy , it would be so cool if you could help us out at opensuse
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| 08:52 | <gvy> thresh?!
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| 08:52 | fxrsliberty, well you can try to ask {led,mike}@altlinux.org
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| 08:52 | <thresh> gvy: i currently lack of horsepower at home so i think i'll try ltsp :S
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| 08:53 | <gvy> thresh, well, works like charm
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| 08:53 | <fxrsliberty> gvy: could you point me to sisyphus installation instructions for dummies?
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| 08:56 | <gvy> fxrsliberty, you mean "installing sisyphus"?
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| 08:57 | you can start with ftp://beta.altlinux.ru/desktop/cd-20070712.iso (there are both more slim installer and dvd4 build alongside)
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| 08:57 | then have a look at /etc/apt/sources.list.d/sisyphus.alt.list and uncomment $arch and noarch ("classic")
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| 08:57 | then apt-get update; apt-get dist-upgrade and you're running Sisyphus (unstable/current ALT)
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| 08:58 | there's #altlinux, you're welcome there with specific stuff not to spam #ltsp (which is done by me all too often) :)
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| 08:59 | fxrsliberty, loooong time ago founders of ALT helped SuSE, Mdk, and iirc RH with russian translations and i18n in general...
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| 09:00 | <gvy> fxrsliberty, ah, and you'd not necessarily run unstable, ltsp packages were synced to 4.0/branch just today so you should be all set with e.g. 4.0 desktop beta or 4.0 server, as you wish
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| 09:11 | <MrChicken> Hello
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| 09:12 | I am running LTSP 5 on Ubuntu 7.04 Server Edition. I have local sound but I cant get local devices working
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| 09:12 | I have FUSE installed
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| 09:12 | ltspfs and ltspfsd installed
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| 09:13 | and my user is part of the FUSE group
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| 09:13 | <ogra> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EnableLTSP5LocalDevices
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| 09:13 | <MrChicken> however When I insert a USB memory... nothing happens
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| 09:13 | ogra ... yes, I already did that :)
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| 09:13 | <ogra> LOCALDEV=True is in your lts.conf ?
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| 09:13 | <MrChicken> yes sir
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| 09:13 | <ogra> Ä(well, should be in the default file anyway iirc)
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| 09:14 | oh, wait you run it on the server edition ?
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| 09:14 | with which desktop installed ?
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| 09:15 | <MrChicken> KDE
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| 09:16 | should I dowload the Desktop edition?
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| 09:16 | <ogra> no, but KDE has no further integration of localdev yet ...
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| 09:16 | i.e. they wont show up on the desktop
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| 09:16 | * gvy . o O ( in ALT, it works tho ) | |
| 09:17 | <gvy> ...and they do. :)
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| 09:17 | <ogra> in gnome gnome-vfs monitors /media ...
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| 09:17 | KDE doesnt do that and resorts to hal ..
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| 09:17 | <MrChicken> so I should get gnome up?
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| 09:17 | <ogra> which ltspfs doesnt support yet
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| 09:17 | no
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| 09:17 | :)
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| 09:17 | after plugging in the device have a look in /media/$USER
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| 09:18 | it should be there ... its just not on the desktop
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| 09:18 | <MrChicken> yes I see it now
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| 09:18 | can I get CDROMS working?
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| 09:19 | <ogra> they should work out of the box ...
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| 09:19 | they should get mounted if you pop in a CD the eject key isnt locked so you should be able to eject them as you like
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| 09:21 | if thats not the case thats a bug
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| 09:21 | (if usb sticks work at least)
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| 09:23 | <MrChicken_ltsp> Hello
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| 09:23 | Ok local devices are working properly :D
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| 09:23 | <ogra> :)
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| 09:23 | <MrChicken_ltsp> Now I have another Q
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| 09:23 | <gvy> MrChicken_ltsp, hooray :)
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| 09:23 | <MrChicken_ltsp> I have installed a DE named lookXP
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| 09:23 | its ICEWM with a few things
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| 09:23 | <ogra> if you know python a bit you could add code to create a link on the users desktop to /usr/sbin/ltspfsmounter
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| 09:24 | * MrChicken_ltsp doesnt know python... but its a good excuse to make something :) | |
| 09:24 | <MrChicken_ltsp> just so it looks like XP ... but I still start in KDE
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| 09:24 | <ogra> we consider tweaking users homedirs or anything eblow as harmful in debian and ubuntu, thats why we rely on gnome-vfs for creating xdg compliant .desktop files instead
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| 09:24 | <MrChicken_ltsp> How on earth do I start on ICEWM?
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| 09:25 | <ogra> i'm working on a change in ltspfs to make it work with hal instead and create proper virtual devices, but i cant guarantee that it will make the gutsy release yet
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| 09:26 | MrChicken_ltsp, it should be in the selection menu in ldm
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| 09:26 | <MrChicken_ltsp> hrmmm
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| 09:26 | lemme restart this thing and see...
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| 09:26 | <ogra> beyond that ltsp will respect ~/.xsession
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| 09:26 | <MrChicken_ltsp> brb
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| 09:26 | <ogra> so create one for the user :)
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| 09:28 | <MrChicken> I will have about 50 or so users
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| 09:29 | which Desktop Environment would you suggest
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| 09:29 | <ogra> all working at the same time ?
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| 09:29 | <gvy> if you can do with icewm, it's rather nice light desktop
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| 09:30 | <ogra> but bad from a usability POV
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| 09:30 | <gvy> but i have yet to see competent file/archive manager for that
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| 09:30 | usability sucks... gigabytes
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| 09:30 | <MrChicken> I only need them to use OpenOffice,
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| 09:30 | <ogra> if you are on ubuntu and need something light i'D try xubuntu-desktop before dropping all comfort and going with ice
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| 09:30 | <MrChicken> Mozilla Firefox and Opera
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| 09:30 | <gvy> yup, xfce is quite nice
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| 09:31 | <ogra> if thats to heavy you can still resort to icewm
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| 09:31 | <gvy> MrChicken, btw you might want to disable virtual desktops -- xrestop shows nice resource leaks while switching virtual desktops with both mozilloids and openoffice
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| 09:32 | <MrChicken> How do I do that? :$
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| 09:32 | * MrChicken is not that competent tweaking X | |
| 09:33 | <MrChicken> and one more Q... when I use local floppies... do I need to mount them or something?
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| 09:33 | <gvy> just install and run xrestop in one window and firefox/ooffice along
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| 09:33 | <MrChicken> or just insert the disk and go to /media
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| 09:33 | <gvy> btw with firefox, you might want flashblock plugin to reduce "accidental" resource consumption by adobe flash media
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| 09:38 | <MrChicken> ok... seems like everything's working
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| 09:38 | I just need icewm to start lets seee
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| 09:41 | <ogra> MrChicken, if you want to default to icewm for the whole system, just update the alternative for the default WM
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| 09:41 | sudo update-alternatives --config x-session-manager
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| 09:41 | there pick icewm session
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| 09:42 | (assuming thats installed :))
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| 09:53 | <MrChicken> ogra ... I'm trying Xubuntu-desktop
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| 09:53 | I guess I will download it
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| 09:54 | <ogra> sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop ;)
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| 09:54 | <MrChicken> yeah 800 megs
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| 09:54 | thats a whole distro :P
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| 09:54 | <K_O-Gnom> ogra: http://www.golem.de/0707/53533.html <-- jaaawohl .. (german)
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| 09:55 | <MrChicken> Downloading...
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| 09:56 | <ogra> MrChicken, well, kubuntu-desktop or ubuntu-desktop are bigger :)
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| 09:56 | K_O-Gnom, nice
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| 09:57 | * MrChicken decides to do what ogra says ... | |
| 09:58 | <K_O-Gnom> ogra: ill change my ltsp kernel ... maybe today :-) (gentoo kernel rules .. my laptop wont boot with the standard kernel ... (it says no pci card found but it has a pci network card ...)
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| 09:58 | <McDutchie> Hi all. I am investigating the possibility of putting wireless network cards into our LTSP terminals and having them boot wirelessly. Encryption (WEP/WPA) essential. Currently we are using LTSP 4.2 but willing to upgrade to 5.0 if necessary. Is it possible to boot LTSP terminals over a secured wireless network, and if so, any pointers to documentation?
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| 09:59 | <ogra> McDutchie, nope (to all the questions)
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| 09:59 | McDutchie, you can hack up initramfs to do that, buit it wont be possible to do netbooting then
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| 09:59 | i.e. you need some kind ofg local device to put the kernel and initramfs on
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| 10:00 | <ogra> the initramfs then needs all wlan tools and you need to hack it up to accept essid, keys and such as either commandline options or hardcode them or something
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| 10:00 | <McDutchie> sounds complicated. i would then have to update/maintain all terminals separately.
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| 10:00 | <ogra> its not impossible, but a lot of work
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| 10:01 | not necessarily
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| 10:01 | you will need one setup for one AP ... and indeed copy around the image if you changed it
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| 10:01 | <McDutchie> is initramfs the same as an initrd (initial ram disk)?
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| 10:02 | <ogra> but there is no such thing like PXE or etherboot for wlan
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| 10:02 | <MrChicken> Will it work WITHOUT encryption?
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| 10:02 | <ogra> yes, its what 2.6 kernels use
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| 10:02 | sure you could do it without encryption, but that leaves your network open to everyone
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| 10:02 | <McDutchie> ogra: yeah, that's not an option for us, we handle confidential information.
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| 10:03 | <ogra> right
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| 10:03 | even without handling confidential stuff its better to not leave it open :)
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| 10:03 | <McDutchie> true :)
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| 10:03 | <MrChicken> Cuz what I was thinking was ...
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| 10:03 | get the Wlan with ltsp
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| 10:03 | on a separate network segment
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| 10:03 | <ogra> if your neighbor hooks in and does filesharing tghrough your ip that can generate a lot of fun ;)
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| 10:04 | <K_O-Gnom> ogra: for them not for you
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| 10:04 | <MrChicken> then via VPN do all the stuff
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| 10:04 | <ogra> well, ltsp5 defaults to ssh tunneling for the X traffic so that should even work safely on an unencrypted wlan
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| 10:04 | <K_O-Gnom> MrChicken: vpn iss ok but everybody can use your network ... because its not encrypted he can login and yous it ..
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| 10:04 | <McDutchie> ogra: essentially what you're saying is that in order to do wireless booting, the LTSP kernel and initramfs need to be on each terminal's local hard disk, right?
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| 10:05 | <ogra> exactly
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| 10:05 | <K_O-Gnom> s/yous/use
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| 10:05 | <MrChicken> hrmmm
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| 10:05 | <McDutchie> and the initramfs needs to contain all the wireless drivers and encryption settings?
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| 10:05 | how would i get started with this? how would i make such an initramfs?
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| 10:05 | <ogra> if i ever find the time, i'll hack together a bootable usb image for that as part of the ltsp package ... but thats beyond my scheduling capabilities atm ...
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| 10:06 | unless we extend the day to 48h ;)
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| 10:06 | <McDutchie> too bad
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| 10:06 | <K_O-Gnom> ogra: i think one option for McDutchie iss to build a bootable cd or something with wlan drivers and encryption system ..
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| 10:06 | <ogra> K_O-Gnom, right, but still you will need the wlan tools in your initramfs ...
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| 10:07 | the3 ubuntu packages have all drivers
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| 10:07 | drivers are not the prob
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| 10:07 | <McDutchie> K_O-Gnom: well, it wouldn't matter much to me if i put it on a HD or burn a CD and boot from that, would work about the same
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| 10:07 | <MrChicken> ogra's got a point since ltsp5 uses SSH tunneling... everything should be rather safe
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| 10:07 | <K_O-Gnom> ogra: not at all .. if he create a live cd ... wich creates a ram disk where its stored ... it would be all ok ..
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| 10:07 | ogra: then he only need a complete system on the cd ..
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| 10:07 | <ogra> K_O-Gnom, beyond the fact that you have a lot of extra maintenance to care for that image
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| 10:08 | <K_O-Gnom> McDutchie: yes ... but if you wont use your hdd because you have a nother system there ...
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| 10:08 | <ogra> a 20 line script in initramfs-tools will do
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| 10:09 | <ogra> and a hook script that copies in wpa_supplicant and iwconfig
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| 10:09 | <K_O-Gnom> crab cant type right ..
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| 10:09 | s/blay/play
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| 10:13 | <McDutchie> if i have to have the kernel and an initramfs locally and I have to maintain these for each terminal and it's not well documented how I need to do all this, then maybe it's less work for me to just bypass LTSP altogether for the wireless terminals, install a complete Linux distro locally on it, and configure the runlevel to automatically contact the server with 'X -query host-name'.
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| 10:15 | <McDutchie> thanks for your input, ogra, K_O-Gnom and all :)
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| 10:15 | <K_O-Gnom> McDutchie: no problem
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| 10:18 | <sbalneav> brb
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| 10:23 | <MrChicken> ogra... I'm trying to install a bluetooth headset on my thin clients and have softphones installed ...
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| 10:23 | what special things should I be weary of?
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| 10:25 | <sbalneav> Back
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| 10:32 | I'm trying to install a bluetooth headset on my thin clients and have softphones installed ... what kind of troubles / headaches may I be running into?
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| 11:04 | <MrChicken> hey
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| 11:04 | Something funny happened
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| 11:04 | I tried to play something with gxine .. and I got kicked out
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| 11:05 | I mean... my client was logged
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| 11:10 | <ByPasS> back to ldm ?
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| 11:11 | <MrChicken> exactly
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| 11:11 | <ByPasS> MrChicken : can you paste me your /etc/exports entries related to ltsp
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| 11:13 | <MrChicken> sure lemme get them
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| 11:15 | <ltsppbot> "Dorphalsig" pasted "/etc/exports (trying to play an mp3 in ltsp logs me out to ldm)" (12 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/221
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| 11:15 | <MrChicken> Dorphalsig = me :$
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| 11:19 | <MrChicken> back
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| 11:28 | <gonzaloaf_work> hi, can I see my clients's processes? I use ltsp 4.2
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| 11:29 | <MrChicken> it should be something with pf
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| 11:29 | go see the pf man and see how you can list the user you want to check
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| 11:41 | <sbalneav> gonzaloaf_work: ps -ef should show you all the processes on your machine.
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| 12:35 | <gonzaloaf_work> sbalneav, I want something particular, I want to see what web pages are visiting all the firefox of my clients. is it possible?
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| 12:35 | <sbalneav> gonzaloaf_work: Are you running a web proxy like squid?
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| 12:35 | <gonzaloaf_work> sbalneav, nop
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| 12:35 | <sbalneav> gonzaloaf_work: then no, it's not possible.
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| 12:36 | <gonzaloaf_work> sbalneav, so the onlyway is running a web proxy on my ltsp server
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| 12:36 | <sbalneav> You'd need to be running a transparent web proxy, then you could check the logs of the proxy to see what's being visited.
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| 12:37 | You don't need to run the web proxy on the ltsp server, you just have to have a web proxy somewhere that people are using.
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| 12:37 | <gonzaloaf_work> sbalneav, but can I know just in the moment what pages are being visited?
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| 12:37 | <sbalneav> Like I said before, no, it's not possible.
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| 12:39 | <gonzaloaf_work> sbalneav, I mean even using the web proxy?
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| 12:39 | <sbalneav> Yeah, you look at the web proxy logs
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| 12:40 | the last few lines will tell you what people are looking at
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| 12:40 | <gonzaloaf_work> sbalneav, all right, thanks I will try this solution
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| 12:42 | sbalneav, but the web proxy will see all my connections with the IP of the LTSP server? or each client IP?
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| 12:43 | <sbalneav> They'll see it with the ip of the ltsp server.
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| 12:43 | If you want it tracked down to an individual user, you'll have to set up an authenticating proxy.
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| 12:44 | <gonzaloaf_work> sbalneav, thats the problem, I want to know what client is visiting a specific web page
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| 12:44 | <sbalneav> You won't be able to tell that.
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| 12:44 | Not without authentication
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| 12:44 | Because all the firefoxes are running on one box.
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| 12:45 | So if you need to know that, set up an authenticating squid proxy.
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| 12:45 | * kaminski-ltsp-br is away: configurando a bosta | |
| 12:45 | <gonzaloaf_work> sbalneav, so I have to use an authentication proxy instead a web proxy
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| 12:45 | <sbalneav> It's still a web proxy
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| 12:45 | it's an authenticated web proxy
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| 12:45 | <gonzaloaf_work> ok ok I'll read about that
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| 12:45 | <sbalneav> i.e. you have to log in to use it.
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| 12:46 | http://www.linuxdevcenter.com/pub/a/linux/2001/08/09/authen_squid.html
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| 13:44 | <gonzaloaf_work> Hi, is it possible to so a "ps" of each client?
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| 13:45 | <vagrantc> gonzaloaf_work: do you mean the processes used by a user of a particular client on the server, or the processes running on the client itself ?
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| 13:46 | <gonzaloaf_work> vagrantc, the first one
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| 13:47 | <vagrantc> gonzaloaf_work: ps -u USER
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| 13:47 | though if a user is logged in multiple times, that won't exactly work
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| 13:53 | <ByPasS> I just installed ltsp 5 and can't get past ldm login screen, console logins works tho, in /var/log/ldm.log it appears that it fails to authenticate (Permission denied: (publickey,password)
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| 14:11 | <cliebow_> Cripes..turned down for a help desk position..they found someone with more experience
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| 14:12 | ByPasS, perhaps ltsp-update-sshkeys will wring it into submisiion
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| 14:17 | <vagrantc> ByPasS: also, make sure you can ssh to your server with the same username and password
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| 14:29 | <cliebow_> 8~)
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| 14:34 | <ByPasS> vagrantc : does that mean that all the users that were on the server should be in ltsp's chroot ?
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| 14:41 | <vagrantc> ByPasS: no.
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| 14:41 | ByPasS: none of them should be.
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| 14:42 | ByPasS: you only need users on your server.
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| 15:12 | <ByPasS> vagrantc : ic well that is my problem then, i cant login using any user from the server itself from the ltsp client even in console
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| 15:13 | vagrantc : are you aware if a ldap backend could cause this ?
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| 15:15 | pam is setup as follows : pam_ldap sufficient / pam_unix required atm
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| 15:37 | <shale> i've finished setting up our ltsp server, and am now trying to bring some of our crappy old puders on as clients.
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| 15:37 | problem: some work and some don't
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| 15:38 | the ones that don't fall to a blinking cursor at the splash screen.
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| 15:38 | any ideas why that is?
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| 15:49 | <shale> only things i can think of might be video card or motherboard bios
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| 15:49 | whaddya think
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| 15:50 | <mistik1> yea, maybe they dont support framebuffer
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| 15:50 | <ByPasS> you might wanna check /var/log/ldm.log
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| 15:51 | <shale> ByPasS: there is no ldm.log on the ltsp server or the chroot.
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| 15:51 | mistik1: do you know how i could find out if they support framebuffer? is that a video card thing?
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| 15:52 | <mistik1> Turn off the framebuffer on the kernel commandline, that should at least rule it out
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| 15:53 | btw, do they actually show the splash screen?
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| 16:00 | <vagrantc> ByPasS: basically, if you can ssh into the server, you should be able to log in from a thin client.
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| 16:01 | <ByPasS> i can ssh but i cant use any of the logins on the thinclient
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| 16:01 | <vagrantc> ByPasS: if you want to log into the thin client itself, you would have to set up some separate authentication
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| 16:01 | <ByPasS> ill just start off another server tomorrow i think
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| 16:02 | i had to chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 and then add a user in order to get a console login anyway so
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| 16:02 | <vagrantc> yes.
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| 16:02 | why do you need console logins ?
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| 16:02 | <ByPasS> i dont but i couldnt pass ldm login screen
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| 16:02 | whenever i enter infos it just fails to auth and it reloads ldm
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| 16:02 | <vagrantc> be sure not to use any important passwords on any users added into the ltsp chroot
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| 16:04 | <ByPasS> anyway as you mentionned if im not supposed to add user into the ltsp chroot
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| 16:04 | its clearly not working :) so its not an X prob
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| 16:04 | as I first thought
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| 16:08 | <vagrantc> ByPasS: after running ltsp-update-sshkeys does it help ?
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| 16:08 | <ByPasS> it doesnt change anything
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| 16:09 | <vagrantc> and you can ssh to the server with that username and password ?
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| 16:09 | <shale> mistik1: yes they show the splash screen but the progress meter barely shows any color before it drops to blinking cursor.
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| 16:09 | <ByPasS> I created a test login on the server
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| 16:09 | that test login wont work on the ltsp client
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| 16:10 | even in console
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| 16:10 | the only user i could login on the ltsp client is those that a created in the ltsp chroot
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| 16:10 | <vagrantc> right.
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| 16:10 | can you log into the server via ssh ?
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| 16:11 | <ByPasS> | |
| 16:11 | ?
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| 16:11 | <vagrantc> no
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| 16:11 | with the user on the server
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| 16:11 | <ByPasS> yea i use ssh
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| 16:11 | <vagrantc> typically, no users on added to the chroot
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| 16:11 | <ByPasS> that works fine
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| 16:11 | ok thats my problem then
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| 16:11 | ill take a spare server and reinstall from scratch without ldap
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| 16:12 | <vagrantc> ssh user@server works ? but the same user and password doesn't work from LDM ?
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| 16:12 | <ByPasS> correct
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| 16:12 | <vagrantc> ls -l /etc/X11/Xsession
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| 16:12 | <ByPasS> fails too auth according to ldm.log
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| 16:12 | ls in the chroot ?
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| 16:12 | <vagrantc> all ldm does it ssh -X user@server
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| 16:12 | if it's in the chroot, i'll tell you.
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| 16:12 | <ByPasS> kk
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| 16:13 | <vagrantc> very little is done in the chroot.
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| 16:13 | <ByPasS> the server had no X installed before i installed ltsp
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| 16:14 | <vagrantc> so, what's the output of the command: ls -l /etc/X11/Xsession
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| 16:14 | <ByPasS> there is no /etc/X11/ on the server (as I said X was not installed prior ltsp)
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| 16:14 | <vagrantc> well, that's why then.
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| 16:15 | <vagrantc> debian or ubuntu ?
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| 16:15 | <ByPasS> bedian
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| 16:15 | oups debian
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| 16:15 | etch ltsp5
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| 16:15 | <vagrantc> dpkg -l ltsp*
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| 16:15 | dpkg -l ltsp* | egrep ^ii
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| 16:16 | <ByPasS> No packages found matching ltsp. :X
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| 16:16 | <vagrantc> so how did you install LTSP ?
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| 16:17 | <ByPasS> apt-get install ltsp-server-standalone
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| 16:17 | <vagrantc> and you've removed it since ?
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| 16:17 | <ByPasS> ltsp-server-standalone is already the newest version.
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| 16:18 | very odd
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| 16:18 | <vagrantc> can you run the command: dpkg -l 'ltsp*' | egrep ^ii
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| 16:18 | <ByPasS> ii ltsp-server 0.99debian11 Basic LTSP server environment
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| 16:18 | ii ltsp-server-standalone 0.99debian11 Complete LTSP server environment
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| 16:18 | <vagrantc> thank you.
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| 16:19 | <ByPasS> vagrantc : thx for all the help ill use a spare server and let u know tomorrow how it went
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| 16:26 | <shale> any tips on where to start to get sound to work?
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| 16:27 | <vagrantc> shale: which linux distro ?
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| 16:29 | <shale> ubuntu feisty
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| 16:30 | <vagrantc> hmmm... should work out of the box mostly
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| 16:31 | <shale> even with clients that have different sound chipsets/
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| 16:31 | ?
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| 16:32 | <vagrantc> should detect them ... though with some older cards, maybe not.
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| 20:34 | <shale_> anybody know anything about getting old imacs to boot ltsp?
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| 20:34 | :)
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| 20:45 | <MrMoo> Just install regular Ubuntu on it, works fine
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| 20:45 | I have a graphite version, use NFS for home dirs
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| 20:52 | <shale_> you dont pxe boot it as a thin client?
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| 20:52 | <MrMoo> nope
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| 20:52 | although I also have PXE thin clients
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| 20:53 | there were too many warnings about mixing i386 & powerpc architectures in ltsp
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| 20:53 | I think you need to setup a mac first then you can build the ltsp chroot and copy over to intel
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| 20:53 | so I setup the mac and was happy with that :-)
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| 20:54 | <shale_> roger
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| 20:56 | do all thin clients have to use the same screen resolution?
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| 20:57 | <MrMoo> no, set the resolution in lts.conf
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| 20:57 | default 1024x768
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| 20:57 | you usually need mode settings for anything greater with LCD panels though, 1280x1024 is consistently a problem
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| 20:57 | <shale_> so u have to give each client a section in lts.conf
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| 20:57 | the user can't change the res
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| 20:58 | <MrMoo> You can give a group of resolutions, then change with Ctrl+Alt++ or -
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| 20:58 | improved resolution and general X11 handling appears with Xorg 7.3, i.e. gutsy
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| 20:59 | no config files, plug & play, etc
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| 20:59 | <shale_> sounds like a dream :)
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| 21:00 | <MrMoo> the roadmap is quite long though
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| 21:00 | but getting there, just like audio
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