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03:35 | <map7> To get a printer working on an LTSP client do I have to add a cups server to the thin client image?
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04:39 | <work_alkisg> No
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09:32 | <Hyperbyte> alkisg, hi :)
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09:32 | Are you on strike too today? ;-)
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09:32 | <alkisg> Hey Hyperbyte
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09:34 | Nah, working 16h per day like usual :D
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09:34 | <Hyperbyte> Heh
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09:34 | I hear there's lots of strikes in the public sector because of public media being shutdown
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10:38 | <Funkour> hi
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10:38 | someone here?
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10:39 | <FrozenZia> just us lurkers... =o)
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10:40 | <muppis> And work-a-holics.
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10:40 | <Funkour> I have a problem. could I ask you? ^^
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10:40 | <FrozenZia> Funkour: yeah, the way to go seems basically to just join a channel, post your question, and if anyone can help, they'll pick it up....
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10:40 | <muppis> !ask
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10:40 | <ltsp`> ask: Don't ask to ask a question, simply ask it, and if someone knows the answer, they'll respond. Please hang around for at least a full hour after asking a question, as not everybody constantly monitors the channel.
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10:41 | <FrozenZia> (i.e. what muppis said...)
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10:41 | <Funkour> I set up a Ubuntu 12.04 LTS with LTSP. 2 Network-Cards. One on NAT and on Bridged. New User is added. I works in VMware Workstation. The Problem is that my Client didn't start
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10:41 | It found the OS, get an IP but then there is only a blackscreen
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10:42 | Configuration Files are, ok. With Edubuntu does it work but noch with Ubuntu
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10:43 | <FrozenZia> very unsure about this, but I think there was a setting in lts.conf for adjusting color depth -- try setting it to 16, maybe?
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10:43 | <Funkour> ok I try it...one moment
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10:43 | where is the lts.conf? ;-)
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10:44 | <FrozenZia> something like /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/.....
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10:47 | <Funkour> no nothing...
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10:47 | <FrozenZia> meaning you couldn't find it, or it didn't help?
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10:47 | <Funkour> couldn't find it
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10:48 | there is nothing like lts.conf in the directory
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10:49 | <muppis> It doesn't exist by default.
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10:50 | !lts.conf
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10:50 | <ltsp`> lts.conf: http://manpages.ubuntu.com/lts.conf
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10:50 | <FrozenZia> I use "locate" a lot, like: locate lts.conf
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10:50 | on my system it's at "/var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/lts.conf"
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10:50 | <Funkour> ahh ok. I didn't know this
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10:51 | ok I read the page and write the conf
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10:51 | If there are other problems I ask again. Thanks and have a nice day
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11:18 | <vince_II> hi ppl
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11:20 | got a question which i could not really find the answer to. I want to use ltsp for using heavy apps on our servers. However, when the app starts to use too much memory i would like to put it on another server with more memory. would this be possible?
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11:25 | <markit> vince_II: I've no idea, but probably googling for "ltsp cluster" is a start point
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11:25 | or go for "fat client" solution
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11:26 | if you have powerfull enough clients
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11:26 | <vince_II> yeah i have been over at ltsp-cluster.org, but could not really figure this one out
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11:27 | so we have a bunch of very powerful calulation server, and one server handling all the graphic output, in that sense it is a little different from classic ltsp deployment. Or that is how i imagine it to be, i want to redo the setup of the system and make one entry point as a front-end to the calc servers
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11:28 | the thing is they use up really lots of mem (up to 80G) and compute power, sometimes suffication each other
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11:30 | and it seems to me ltsp/ltsp-cluster has all tools available to achieve this, with some adaptation maybe, without me starting to make a home-cooked solution
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11:31 | sorry if i am not all that clear, the plan is still forming in my head and i am looking for tools to make this happen :)
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11:38 | <Hyperbyte> vince_II, hrm...
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11:38 | Sounds like an interesting project.
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11:40 | <vince_II> Hyperbyte: indeed it is :)
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11:41 | for now all users start a vnc session on the server of their choosing, but this is not anymore 2013 as we want it too be :)
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11:42 | <Hyperbyte> Well, you -can- define a different server for each LTSP client.
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11:42 | <vince_II> so i want a single connection point from where their load on this system is better spread and moved to other servers if neccesary
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11:42 | the latter part would be great but i am not sure it is possible; what i do know is that the first part for sure needs to be done
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11:43 | yeah, well the thing is that the loads vary quite a lot, during their session, and calculations are know to take days in some cases
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11:44 | <Hyperbyte> The latter part is possible, but I think only with virtual machines.
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11:45 | If you'd run each piece of intensive software in their own virtual machine, you could easily migrate them to another virtual host
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11:45 | <vince_II> I was thinking on X11 forwarding at first, combined with some virtualisation per session, so i could move them around if need arises
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11:45 | right :)
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11:45 | <Hyperbyte> But, whatever way you're going to choose... I think it's going to require some serious hacking.
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11:45 | <vince_II> which i why am i here for :)
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11:45 | <Hyperbyte> Needless to say, the kind of load balancing you want isn't in LTSP.
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11:45 | <vince_II> s/why/what/
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11:46 | <Hyperbyte> LTSP-cluster does load balancing, but only during login. It doesn't take into account that certain users can have such incredibly intensive processes running.
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11:46 | <vince_II> yeah, but ltsp provides load info on a central place
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11:46 | <work_alkisg> Do these apps use any of the parallelizing frameworks like MPI?
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11:46 | <vince_II> so periodically checking that would help a lot to even out cpu load and mem load
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11:46 | <Hyperbyte> Let's say it puts two clients on app server A, and three on app server B... if the two people on A both start up very intensive programs (the kind you're talking about) then tough luck...
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11:47 | <vince_II> work_alkisg: they could, but that in itself needs adaption of their scripts, mainly its AFNI, Matlab, IDL, FreeSurfer, FSL
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11:48 | and not all of them are mpi-ready
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11:48 | but i like where your thoughts are going, maybe add it to the 'soup'
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11:48 | <work_alkisg> MPI should better match the problem of runtime load balancing. Otherwise, some of the VDI solutions that offer VM migration...
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11:49 | You can create a netbooted MPI cluster with LTSP, but other than that, the runtime balancing issue isn't much related to LTSP...
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11:49 | <vince_II> eevn our infrastructure is well fit for MPI
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11:49 | <work_alkisg> You can easily implement "login time balancing" with LTSP though
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11:50 | <vince_II> yeah, and i thikn ltsp provides the single-access-point capability
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11:50 | <work_alkisg> There's a get_hosts script in LDM that easily allows selecting the server with the lowest load at login time, but after login, you can't move the app on another server
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11:52 | * work_alkisg gets afk again.. :) | |
11:54 | <vince_II> that i understand , and that is exactly the most difficult point in the whole setup, though virtualisation would do the job, or rip out everything and make the whole backend an mpi cluster
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11:54 | not really easy all this, but you guys input help me to form new idea's and that is really great
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11:55 | (and gals!)
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12:37 | <Hyperbyte> vince_II, good luck with your project. :)
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12:38 | Keep us posted
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12:38 | Will be interesting to know what solution you end up going with
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12:39 | <markit> hi work_alkisg, first time I see you with this nick :) first time you are working too? ;P
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12:40 | how are you?
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12:40 | ehm, maybe you are busy lol, nevermind
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12:55 | <davew> Hi All,
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12:57 | <davew> I am trying to change a thin client edubuntu 12.04 system to thick clients. I have followed the Jonathan Carter article and although I seem to be close I now find
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12:58 | <Hyperbyte> Hi
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12:59 | <davew> that some of the existing clients cannot log in. I n taling to Alkisg the other day he suggested that I modify the session parameter to ubuntu-2d which I did.
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13:01 | <davew> He also suggested that I examine the Troubleshooting a Shell Screen Article and paste into lts.conf values for SCREEN_02=shell and SCREEN_07=ldm
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13:03 | <davew> I have done this and the effect at the terminal is that CTRL+Alt+F2 just gives me a flashing hyphen at the top left hand corner of the screen and CTRL+ALT+F7 gives me
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13:04 | the white graphical log in screen. Anyone got any thoughts about what to do next ?
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13:19 | <vince_II> will keep you posted to see where it ends up with :) thanks for the input so far, unf. another meeting is waiting for me
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13:37 | <Hyperbyte> davew, the screen_02 trick should work. The flashing underscore you see should turn into a root shell in a few seconds or so
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13:38 | <davew> THanks Hyperbyte . I will try it now.
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13:39 | Ctr+Alt+F2 on a client terminal only gives me the flashing hyphen I have described above.
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13:46 | <Hyperbyte> Put your lts.conf on pastebin
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13:46 | !lts.conf
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13:46 | <ltsp`> lts.conf: http://manpages.ubuntu.com/lts.conf
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13:49 | <davew> Sorry Hyperbyte, what do you want me to do ?
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13:49 | Did you mean waste bin ?
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13:52 | <Hyperbyte> !pastebin
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13:52 | <ltsp`> pastebin: the LTSP pastebin is at http://ltsp.pastebin.com. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebin, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. Don't forget to paste the URL of the text here.
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13:58 | <davew> pastebin.com/GbWWAZWX is what you want I think
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14:03 | <Hyperbyte> Yes sir.
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14:03 | You have two [Default] sections.
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14:04 | Get rid of one
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14:04 | (remove line 11)
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14:06 | <davew> OK Will comment out the top one
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14:07 | Sorry missed that - I only have the last default section left is that OK ?
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14:08 | <Hyperbyte> 16:04 <Hyperbyte> (remove line 11)
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14:09 | <davew> This takes out [Default] yes
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14:10 | That is the word [Default] leaving onlty the SCREEN lines
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14:16 | <davew> Only lines active are SCREEN_02=shell and SCREEN_07=ldm....This O.K. ?
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14:26 | <davew> Hyperbyte --do I need to restart anything ?
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14:27 | <Hyperbyte> davew, pastebin your new lts.conf.
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14:27 | You don't need to restart anything after modifying lts.conf
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14:31 | <davew> pastebin.com/aQPS0BVQ
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14:43 | <davew> Out of interst Hyperbyte I notice that Ctrl+Alt+F1 gives me a text login but does not allow me to log in as administrator
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14:51 | <Hyperbyte> ugh
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14:52 | Go back to your original lts.conf
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14:52 | Remove line 11
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14:52 | That's it
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14:57 | <davew> Hurrah Ctrl+Alt+F2 gives me a text login -- what now
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15:00 | <davew> Hyperbyte - have checked Ctrl+Alt+f2 on other terminals and this gives a text log in - so what do you want me to do now ?
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15:03 | <Hyperbyte> A text login?
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15:03 | Doesn't it say root@ltspNN~ ?
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15:03 | Or rather root@ltspNN#
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15:04 | <davew> Typically root@ltsp37:/#
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15:04 | <Hyperbyte> Right.
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15:05 | That's not a login prompt, that's an already-logged-in root prompt.
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15:05 | <davew> Your good Hyperbyte
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15:05 | <Hyperbyte> That's what alkisg was aiming at when he asked you to modify lts.conf
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15:05 | <davew> I understand
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15:05 | <Hyperbyte> davew, thank you. Unfortunately for you, I'm off now. So you'll have to find someone else to help you further. :)
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15:06 | <davew> OK thanks for all your help and patience. Regards
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15:12 | Is there any body else who can take me further ?
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15:29 | <davew> In connection with this what does sudo netstat -nap | grep :69 do for me
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15:29 | check
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15:30 | check
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15:35 | <gvy> erm, maybe he wanted ss instead of netcat
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15:35 | *netstat
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15:45 | <milledel> after and update to ltsp-client I ran 'ltsp-update-image' and 'ltsp-update-kernel'. Now client fails to boot with 'sed: can't read /proc/meminfo: No such file or directory'
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15:46 | <milledel> Debian wheezy AMD64 host, Debian wheezy i386 client.
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15:48 | Fresh client install as of yesterday, only updated to add basics. Odd thing is, I have tried to add IceDove and APT claims it's installed but does not show up on client. In trying to touble shoot that, now have the issue above.
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