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| 08:21 | <alkisg> !nbd-client
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| 08:21 | <ltsp`> nbd-client: To try mounting the NBD image from the client initramfs: nbd-client 192.168.67.1 -N /opt/ltsp/i386 /dev/nbd0
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| 08:29 | <muppis> Home dirs doesn't mount on thin, using 10.04.
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| 08:30 | <alkisg> thins don't mount home dirs, yes, unless you're using localapps
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| 08:31 | <muppis> I'm.
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| 08:31 | Using localapps, what's why I'm wondering it.
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| 08:33 | Maybe ssh keys needs to be updated?
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| 08:34 | <alkisg> No, do you have sshfs installed locally?
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| 08:34 | <muppis> yes.
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| 08:34 | <alkisg> (in the chroot)
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| 08:34 | what's the output of `# getltscfg -a` on the client?
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| 08:37 | <muppis> http://pastebin.com/5tJ2SXeJ
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| 08:42 | <alkisg> Anything worth mentioning from client /var/log/syslog, or dmesg?
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| 08:42 | <muppis> From client?
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| 08:42 | <alkisg> Yes
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| 08:42 | Also, if localapps extramounts (/opt) is not empty in the chroot (i.e. /opt/ltsp/i386/opt should have no files/subdirs), you might have issues in 10.04
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| 08:43 | Try without the extramounts
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| 08:43 | ...better without an lts.conf...
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| 08:43 | <muppis> It was actually added later for troubleshooting so it's not really needed at all.
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| 08:45 | Nothing special in syslog nor dmesg
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| 08:46 | <alkisg> Does /home/username exist?
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| 08:46 | (locally on the running client)
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| 08:46 | Is the home directory under /home ?
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| 08:46 | <muppis> Yes.
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| 08:46 | Yes.
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| 08:47 | Does it count if user home (only this one which I use) exists in chroot as well?
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| 08:48 | <alkisg> Is it completely empty?
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| 08:48 | <muppis> Nope.
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| 08:48 | <alkisg> Then it won't mount...
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| 08:48 | It doesn't have "allow_non_empty" in sshfs options in 10.04
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| 08:49 | <muppis> Ok. Then this luckily affected only me.
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| 08:55 | Thank you, again. :D
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| 08:55 | <alkisg> np :)
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| 16:24 | <AustriaBound> Woohoo. Loving the LTSP for our educational lab but looking for some help on LDAP integration. Everything works but creation of user directories are not populating with /etc/skel/.
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| 16:25 | Anyone have a script that will copy over the /etc/skel/ director on new user creation?
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| 16:38 | <Hyperbyte> AustriaBound, run rsync -a /etc/skel/ /home/<user>/ from the user account.
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| 16:39 | <AustriaBound> Hyperbyte - Where would I place that? rc.d? If so, how would that work for new LDAP users that don't have an account and then avoid that script for those that do?
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| 16:40 | I've used the pam_mkhomedir.so and that doesn't get called.
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| 16:40 | <vagrantc> how did you use it?
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| 16:41 | <AustriaBound> I put it in the chroot's /etc/pam.d/common-session
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| 16:41 | <vagrantc> the users are n the server, not in the chroot
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| 16:41 | <AustriaBound> These are all FAT clients by the way.
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| 16:41 | <vagrantc> yes, the user management is still done from the server
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| 16:41 | <AustriaBound> Even with a seperate LDAP server?
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| 16:42 | <vagrantc> there is no pam authentication on the fat client itself.
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| 16:42 | <AustriaBound> I use pam authentication on the fat client when the users want to change their passwords.
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| 16:43 | <vagrantc> sure, but LDM does no pam authentication.
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| 16:44 | so unless you've configure some other display manager, you'll need to configure LDAP authentication on the server.
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| 16:44 | <AustriaBound> Gothcha. I'm new to Linux and LTSP so.... I figured that all the scripts for ldm where doing most of that.
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| 16:44 | <vagrantc> long-term, we're hoping to ditch LDM, but for the moment it's what we've got.
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| 16:45 | <AustriaBound> I have LDAP authentication on the server but the problem is that it creates a new home on the server and then another on the remote NFS home server as well. Then.... when you want to delete a user from the server userdel will not work.
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| 16:46 | <vagrantc> yeah, LDM works best when your homedirs are on the LTSP server.
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| 16:46 | <AustriaBound> I'm a college professor teaching my students this. Coming from a windows development background I've found it to be quite the journey.
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| 16:46 | <vagrantc> it is admittedly a little confusing trying to integrate LDAP
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| 16:46 | <AustriaBound> I haven't had any issues with a remote home dir. Linked it to a owncloud so my students have access to their directories from anywhere.
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| 16:46 | <vagrantc> a lot of what we do essentially hacks around not having to use LDAP
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| 16:47 | <AustriaBound> Are you one of the developers?
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| 16:47 | <vagrantc> yup
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| 16:47 | <AustriaBound> You are my hero!
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| 16:47 | <vagrantc> heh
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| 16:47 | well, glad you've njoyed it despite the warts
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| 16:47 | <AustriaBound> I'm looking to cut my teeth in Linux development and am looking seriously at getting involved.
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| 16:48 | <vagrantc> AustriaBound: to understand what we've done you might want to try and set up a test server without any of the LDAP its
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| 16:48 | bits
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| 16:48 | well, we sure could use help!
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| 16:48 | <AustriaBound> Love to, but class starts Monday and I need a network. I've spent days and nights in the lab since Sept 2nd.
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| 16:48 | <vagrantc> we've been slowly working on a major shift that will be LTSP6, namely handling the PAM stack more sanely
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| 16:49 | <AustriaBound> Got myself in trouble with the IT department. They banished me to a building that looks like a lawn mower shed. Then they gave me 40 celeron machines from the early 2000's all without hard drives.
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| 16:50 | <vagrantc> those might be a little slow for fat clients...
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| 16:50 | <AustriaBound> Works awesome. Headless LTSP server with skinny image.
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| 16:51 | <vagrantc> !worldmap | echo AustriaBound
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| 16:51 | <ltsp`> AustriaBound worldmap: If you're using LTSP, please let the world know and share your story at http://www.ltsp.org/stories/ Your can add a nice pin to our world map at your location, plus your setup will count towards the global LTSP usage statistics.
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| 16:52 | <AustriaBound> So, without pam_mkhomedir.so running on the server, somehow home directories are being created fine. Only issue is that the /etc/skel/ directory isn't copied. Is there are way to copy that directory over on new users only or do I have to copy it for every user on every login?
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| 16:52 | <vagrantc> AustriaBound: well, LDM is essentially a GUI wrapper for "ssh -X" with a bunch of hooks
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| 16:52 | <AustriaBound> I'm going to put our config on the map. We have a VERY unique setup. Servers are Intel Atom processors.
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| 16:53 | I've been working on a great idea for the LTSP project. On startup I am copying the image to a ram drive and then serving that out. No more HD reads.
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| 16:53 | <vagrantc> AustriaBound: so pam_mkhomedir would run on the server, and create the homedirs on the server, and then sshfs mount them to the local client, at least in the default configuration.
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| 16:53 | AustriaBound: although are you mounting homedirs on the client via NFS?
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| 16:53 | <AustriaBound> Somehow home directories are being created without pam_mkhomedir on the server.
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| 16:54 | Yes NFS.
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| 16:54 | <vagrantc> the homedir is created on the server, though?
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| 16:54 | <AustriaBound> Nope.
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| 16:55 | <vagrantc> or it's just created locally ...
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| 16:55 | <AustriaBound> No users homedir on the server just the NFS homedir server.
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| 16:55 | <vagrantc> LDM probably creates the mountpoint on the client dir, in preparation to sshfs mount it from the server ... and the sshfs mount probably fails.
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| 16:56 | which is probably why there's no /etc/skel content
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| 16:56 | <AustriaBound> Which log would I look at to see that?
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| 16:56 | <vagrantc> maybe /var/log/ldm.log on the client
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| 16:56 | logging isn't always very consistant
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| 16:56 | <AustriaBound> Nope, that's clean
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| 16:57 | <vagrantc> look at /usr/share/ldm/rc.d/ ... there's probably a mkdir call in there somewhere.
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| 16:57 | those are the hooks that are run at login
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| 16:58 | <AustriaBound> I've looked through them, but I will make a second round.
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| 16:58 | So what do you think about the ram drive idea?
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| 16:59 | <vagrantc> X01-localapps, probably.
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| 16:59 | AustriaBound: if you've got the ram to spare, sure!
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| 16:59 | <AustriaBound> I've also been playing with the idea of taking some of these old machines, populating them with 32 gigs of memory, creating a huge ram drive, use the ram drive as a NFS swap area for the fat clients.
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| 16:59 | <vagrantc> i also implemented a proof of concept feature to copy the image to ram at boot, then it can operate without a server
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| 17:00 | <AustriaBound> Nice.
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| 17:00 | <vagrantc> i'd be surprised if you can get 8GB+ in a celeron from 2000...
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| 17:00 | even 4+ might be unlikely
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| 17:01 | <AustriaBound> Found it! X01-localapps, you were right. Makes the mkdir $LDM_HOME.
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| 17:02 | <vagrantc> AustriaBound: does NFS swap work? we use NBD swap because NFS hadn't worked for ages... same idea though
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| 17:02 | <AustriaBound> That's true. These new atom servers I can put 32 gigs in them though.
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| 17:02 | Yeah, you got me there. I don't know much difference between NFS and NBD.
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| 17:03 | <vagrantc> NBD is network block device, so it's like a raw disk... NFS is a network filesystem
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| 17:06 | <AustriaBound> I absolutely appreciate your time. One last one before I let you go: I've never done bash scripting before. ( yeah I know, windows guy ) and I'm looking at the directory creation in the X01-localapps.
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| 17:07 | I see the line where it creates the $LDM_HOME. Could I check to see if the directory exists and if not create the homedir and then copy a /etc/skel/ type directory? If so how would I start?
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| 17:23 | <vagrantc> AustriaBound: you'd probably want to create a plugin that runs earlier that creates the homedir if it doesn't exist
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| 17:23 | <AustriaBound> But isn't that already happening within that statement in the X01-localapps?
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| 17:24 | Sorry to be a bother. Just 3 weeks of no sleep and hitting my head on the desk from fatigue has got me loopy.
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| 17:27 | <vagrantc> AustriaBound: but it's going to try and sshfs mount your homedir from the LTSP server, which you don't really want
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| 17:27 | AustriaBound: if the directory already exists, it shouldn't do anything
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| 17:28 | AustriaBound: so if you create the homedir before that code runs, all is good.
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| 17:29 | <AustriaBound> Ok. Makes sense, however, I'm running the Ubuntu-desktop session and somewhere it copies the Documents, Desktop, Downloads... folders and files. Where do you think that happens at?
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| 17:29 | <vagrantc> or at least, that's what i thought, but looking at the code i'm not sure
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| 17:30 | ah, yes, it should still be fine: if [ "$(stat -c %m "$LDM_HOME")" != "/" ]; then
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| 17:30 | AustriaBound: you've mounted your NFS homedirs via FSTAB_XX, yes?
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| 17:31 | in lts.conf
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| 17:35 | AustriaBound: if you haven't mounted your homedirs via NFS on the client, it'll get the bahavior i described before, where it'll create an empty homedir, try to mount the LTSP server's homedir via NFS (and it doesn't exist, so would fail)
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| 17:38 | <AustriaBound> I do have the homedir being mounted via FSTAB in the lts.conf.
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| 17:38 | So would it be safe to say that the homedir is mounted before it gets to the rc.d scripts?
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| 17:42 | If that is the case then the initial population of all those directories are happening before the rc.d scripts are run as well..... So, I'm thinking that I could do a file check in X01-localapps that checks for the .bashrc file. If not there, copy /etc/skel/.
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| 17:46 | if [ -e "$LDM_HOME/.bashrc" ] then cp /etc/skel/* $LDM_HOME fi
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| 17:46 | Something like that?
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| 17:48 | Opps I mean: if [ ! -f $LDM_HOME/.bashrc ]
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| 17:49 | <vagrantc> AustriaBound: yes, it gets mounted before then
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| 17:50 | <AustriaBound> Ok, then I'm in business. A script that checks for that file should work then? I'll give it a try.
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| 17:50 | <vagrantc> gotta head out... good luck!
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