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Channel log from 7 December 2019 (all times are UTC)
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| 14:49 | <alkisg> vagrantc: can I bother you a minute with a packaging question, regarding the greek educational software?
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| 14:50 | I can't get the proper conflicts/replaces stanzas to upgrade two packages with one package...
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| 14:51 | <vagrantc> usually you want breaks/replaces rather than conflicts
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| 14:51 | it's a bit more permissive
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| 14:52 | <alkisg> We copied that from the ubuntu language packs
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| 14:52 | Big package: https://termbin.com/ozdh
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| 14:52 | Small package: https://termbin.com/girk
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| 14:52 | Installing the small pulls the big one; the idea is that we would only send updates for the small one afterwards (e.g. this one is mathematics)
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| 14:53 | Now we want to provide a new "small" package that would replace both of them, but I can't find what to put in debian/control to do that
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| 14:53 | <vagrantc> i think you don't want conflicts or breaks, just replaces
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| 14:53 | oh
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| 14:53 | <alkisg> Schools already have those
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| 14:53 | And we want to provide them with an upgrade path
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| 14:54 | <vagrantc> so the two you showed are how it currently is?
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| 14:54 | <alkisg> Yes
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| 14:54 | It's been working OK for 10 years now, but I think it would be better to avoid that split now, it doesn't help as much as I thought it would
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| 14:55 | (and schools have ADSL connections now, they're able to download e.g. 100 MB updates)
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| 14:55 | <vagrantc> so you want to transform X-a-b-base + X-a-b with just X-a-b ?
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| 14:55 | <alkisg> Exactly
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| 14:55 | It will contain the sum of both packages
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| 14:56 | <vagrantc> did you try breaks + replaces?
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| 14:57 | e.g. X-a-b ... Breaks: X-a-b-base (<< sourceversion) ... Replaces: X-a-b-base
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| 14:58 | <alkisg> I think that one said "refusing ..." because it couldn't uninstall the X-base one while X- depended on it
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| 14:58 | Let me try it again
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| 14:59 | Replaces: dim-anglika-d-e (<< 10), dim-anglika-d-e-base
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| 14:59 | Breaks: dim-anglika-d-e (<< 10), dim-anglika-d-e-base
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| 14:59 | This is what I had tried
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| 14:59 | I'll leave the -base only now there, testing...
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| 15:00 | Ah, I also tried these; with these, apt-get dist-upgrade didn't want to upgrade:
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| 15:00 | Replaces: dim-anglika-d-e-base
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| 15:00 | Breaks: dim-anglika-d-e-base
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| 15:01 | But if I specify the package name: apt-get install dim-anglika-d-e ==> then it does work; it's just the normal "dist-upgrade" that doesn't work
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| 15:06 | Nah, update-manager also refuses to update that :(
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| 15:09 | <vagrantc> hmmm... it should be possible with dist-upgrade
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| 15:09 | there's probably some complicated nuance here
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| 15:10 | <alkisg> I wonder if I need to provide transitional -base packages :(
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| 15:11 | <vagrantc> yeah, that should work...
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| 15:11 | just a meta-package...
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| 15:11 | it's typical to provide such packages in Debian for at least one release to ensure upgrade paths...
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| 15:12 | maybe this is why :)
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| 15:12 | <alkisg> Hehe
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| 15:12 | * alkisg gives it a last try, to ask in debian #packaging, which is for packages outside of debian... | |
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| 15:15 | <alkisg> !irclogs | echo paradoxewan:
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| 15:15 | <ltspbot> paradoxewan: irclogs: This channel is logged, archives are available at http://irclogs.ltsp.org
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| 15:46 | <paradoxewan> Hi there, have three pi's connected ok, but 2 not showing screenshots or allowing vnc
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| 15:46 | <alkisg> !vnc-edide
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| 15:46 | <ltspbot> vnc-edide: To share your screen with me, open Epoptes → Help menu → Remote support → Host: srv1-dide.ioa.sch.gr, and click the Connect button
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| 15:57 | <alkisg> paradoxewan: I think you're launching the session in a strange way so that epoptes can't find the display or something
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| 15:57 | It needs more debugging than I can offer for free, sorry :)
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| 15:58 | <paradoxewan> ok, just strange that one unit works and the others don't, should be same hardware and software, only difference is the screen resolution
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| 15:58 | <alkisg> The one that worked actually misbehaved
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| 15:59 | <paradoxewan> lol typical
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| 15:59 | <alkisg> You had installed epoptes there, so it didn't run epoptes-client as root at all
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| 15:59 | <paradoxewan> hmmm ok
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| 15:59 | <alkisg> When I uninstalled epoptes, it did the same as the other ones
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| 15:59 | <paradoxewan> so if I install epoptes on them all it will work? lol
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| 16:00 | <alkisg> Haha :)
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| 16:00 | <paradoxewan> its basically a signage system, all running a chromium instance
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| 16:01 | just for video / webpages, based on pisignage.com
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| 16:01 | <alkisg> Yeah it's doing something strange with the login procedure
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| 16:01 | Maybe it has 2 diplays runnings
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| 16:01 | *running
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| 16:02 | <paradoxewan> ok, whats the costs involved in getting it fixed properly?
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| 16:02 | <alkisg> Let's go to PMs now. Channel = free, PMs = work :)
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| 16:02 | <paradoxewan> ok :)
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