IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.libera.chat (webchat)
Channel log from 31 August 2017 (all times are UTC)
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| 00:43 | <www_> hi
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| 00:43 | www
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| 00:43 | www
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| 00:44 | <mmarconm> @.@
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| 02:11 | <vagrantc> https://ftp-master.debian.org/new/ltsp-manager_17.08.html
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| 02:11 | now we wait...
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| 02:14 | <mmarconm> XD
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| 02:14 | vagrantc: what is ltsp-manager for ?
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| 02:16 | <vagrantc> !ltsp-manager | echo mmarconm
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| 02:16 | <ltsp> mmarconm ltsp-manager: LTSP Manager is a GUI tool that makes LTSP maintenance easy. It's the recommended way to install LTSP in common setups. More info: http://wiki.ltsp.org/wiki/Ltsp-manager
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| 12:23 | <markit> I've to avoid printer autodiscover, probably the "systemctl disable cups-browsed" is the way to go... does it work in chroot also, so fat clients have that too?
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| 12:31 | <fzimper> Hi. Small correction on the wiki page http://wiki.ltsp.org/wiki/Ltsp-manager/User_accounts: In sestion "Allow user signups" it should be "File -> Allow user sign ups", not "Server -> Allow user sign ups"
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| 12:41 | <alkisg> fzimper: thanks, will correct that
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| 12:42 | markit: in ltsp-pnp, you just disable it from the gui on the server before you run ltsp-update-image
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| 12:42 | No need to disable a cups service, just the cups setting for that
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| 12:51 | <markit> alkisg: I've no pnp installation, and in kde I've no gui for systemd anyway
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| 12:51 | I'm upgrading a 12.04 to 16.04...
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| 12:52 | <markit> this "automatic discover" is a madness, especially because is on by default (I've read of people that connect to their work lan and have 100+ printers added!)
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| 12:53 | also I'm very confusing (I've to dig deeper) about what and where config goes if I use kde printer settings vs localhost:631
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| 12:53 | probably the former is user-related and the latter is system-wide
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| 12:55 | alkisg: also there is confusion about what cups setting change, some says CreateIPPPrinterQueues, other /etc/cups/cups-browsed.conf set BrowseProtocols none etc
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| 13:04 | <alkisg> markit: cups has a setting to disable browsing and it shows in gnome. If you can't find it in kde, try asking in #kde
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| 13:07 | <markit> alkisg: misunderstanding, thought that "you just disable it from the gui" was related to "systemctl disable cups-browsed", in any case kde printer settings seems full of bugs to me, I will use localhost:631 anyway. I'll do some test, web gui does not expose that parameter AFAIK, and editing cups.conf for "Browsing Off" seems not to work anymore in recent ubuntu (http://brainextender.blogspot.it/2009/05/disable-cups-automatic-remote-printer.html)
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| 13:09 | <alkisg> cupsctl => BrowseLocalProtocols=dnssd
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| 13:09 | Maybe google for how to remove that protocol
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| 13:09 | In any case:
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| 13:09 | !non-ltsp
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| 13:09 | <ltsp> non-ltsp: It's better to direct your questions to the most suitable channel. For example, for questions that are not specific to LTSP, you might try distro-specific channels, such as #ubuntu, #debian, #suse, #fedora etc.
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| 13:09 | <alkisg> :)
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| 13:19 | <markit> alkisg: the original question was: "systemctl disable cups-browsed" is the way to go... does it work in chroot also, so fat clients have that too?
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| 13:19 | I mean, I just enter with ltsp-chroot, run that command and I'm ok for chroot too?
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| 13:23 | <alkisg> markit: systemctl disable should work in chroots, I can't see why not. if it doesn't, you can report it in #systemd ;)
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| 13:24 | Of course fat clients would have systemd nowadays, yeah
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| 13:25 | Why do you still bother with chroots? :D
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| 13:26 | * alkisg maintains a lot of "chroots" using virtualbox .vdi images... | |
| 13:26 | <alkisg> So I maintain them by launching them in vbox, graphically
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| 13:27 | (i.e. they're just regular installations, and I run ltsp-update-kernels/ltsp-update-image on them when I need to
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| 13:31 | <markit> alkisg: do you mean that you deploy to schools virtualbox vms with ltsp-pnp inside?
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| 13:33 | <alkisg> of course not; schools just use ltsp-pnp with no vms
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| 13:33 | I only use VMs for testing locally
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| 13:47 | <alkisg> For example, I have a debian stretch installation. Completely graphical. Then I install ltsp-pnp in it, and I *don't* run ltsp-update-image at all. Then I can export it in my local client as an LTSP server :)
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| 13:47 | (the LTSP image for the clients is the .vdi file itself)
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| 13:48 | It sounds complicated but it's extreme simplicity, no chroots, no images, no terminal...
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| 13:51 | <alkisg> *in my local client => in my local network
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| 14:32 | <markit> alkisg: I've a proxmox server and kvm vms on it, just to experiment, but maybe I'm too old, but to have a complete and conclusive test on some issues takes a lot of time on my part, then I get discouraged about how much I should know and remember in the future. I take notes but things get updated and they become obsolete, too much effort to keep them organized and up-to-dated, and, like for printers discovery, happens also that I don't find the notes
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| 14:32 | I took anymore.
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| 14:33 | maybe a AI sysadmin will replace me soon and my work will become selling potatos...
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| 14:53 | <alkisg> markit: true, making sure that all software that a school uses, from the kernel to mozilla to libreoffice to ltsp, works flawlessly, takes a whole lot of time. Being a linux sysadmin is a hard job.
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| 14:54 | That's why instead of paying money for software, schools etc need to pay money for good sysadmins :)
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| 14:54 | In my case, I put all of the fixes in sch-scripts (now ltsp-manager), so that schools don't even get to see the bugs
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