IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.libera.chat (webchat)
Channel log from 27 April 2012 (all times are UTC)
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| 04:46 | <alkisg> ....and today's question is, which one sounds better? ltsp-update-image --arch=root, --arch=self, --export-root, or --export-self? :D
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| 04:46 | (will read irc logs)
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| 04:49 | I think I prefer --arch=self...
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| 04:50 | And that btw exports the whole server disk into /opt/ltsp/images/self.img
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| 05:34 | <knipwim> alkisg, self is really self explanatory
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| 05:36 | although i would go for the --export-self
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| 05:36 | making it clear it's a different function
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| 05:37 | than creating an image for the arch of the server
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| 11:03 | <dhana013> Hi Guys I am new to ltsp. I have configured my server and client working fine. But i have small problem, All my client showing my server ip, I have give ifconfig show my server ip
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| 11:03 | what is the problem, please guide me
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| 11:04 | <muppis> That's normal and as it should be.
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| 11:05 | If you look at client's login screen, you see client's IP at right and down corner with clock.
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| 11:06 | But after login you'll see server IP from terminal if it isn't started as localapp.
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| 13:01 | <dhana013> Hi Guys I have installed localapps to my server, I can't login my client pc , show no responce from server , what i have done wrong
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| 13:03 | chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 apt-get instal xterm; ltsp-localapps xterm , client can't login
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| 13:08 | <knipwim> Hyperbyte!!!
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| 13:08 | <Hyperbyte> knipwim!!!!!!!!
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| 13:09 | <dhana013> Any guide guys,
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| 13:10 | <knipwim> dhana013: can you start up the thin client?
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| 13:10 | <dhana013> knipwim, yes
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| 13:11 | <dhana013> ldm will shows, i will give username and password, no responce from server
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| 13:12 | <knipwim> that has nothing to do with localapps i guess
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| 13:13 | what does the server log show when you try to log in
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| 13:13 | any ssh connect tries?
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| 13:14 | <dhana013> knipwim, where is stored log
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| 13:14 | to my server
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| 13:16 | <knipwim> /var/log/messages ?
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| 13:17 | <dhana013> knipwim, this my auth.log http://pastebin.com/bVbubqpj
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| 13:18 | knipwim, my client ip 192.168.1.140 , my server 192.168.1.201
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| 13:20 | <knipwim> have you run ltsp-update-sshkeys ?
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| 13:20 | <dhana013> yes
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| 13:22 | <dhana013> it's shows no response from server restring
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| 13:22 | <knipwim> there's probably something very obvious going on
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| 13:23 | but i don't know what
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| 13:23 | my advise would be to hang around a bit longer
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| 13:23 | and wait for someone who does
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| 13:23 | <Hyperbyte> dhana013, get a root xterm on screen 02
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| 13:23 | !screen_02
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| 13:23 | <ltsp> Hyperbyte: screen_02: To get a root shell on an Ubuntu thin client: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/ClientTroubleshooting#Using_a_shell_SCREEN
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| 13:24 | <Hyperbyte> Type 'ssh <user>@server'
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| 13:24 | Replace <user> with your username, leave 'server' as it is
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| 13:24 | For example, 'ssh dhana013@server'
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| 13:24 | <dhana013> it's works
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| 13:26 | <Hyperbyte> Does it give a warning about the authenticity of the host?
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| 13:26 | Does it ask "Are you sure you want to continue connecting?"
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| 13:27 | <dhana013> Hyperbyte, I check it's works from ssh from terminal
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| 13:27 | it's user login ssh
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| 16:59 | <knipwim> vagrantc highvoltage stgraber web meeting if you have the time!
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| 17:00 | alkisg: also
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| 17:00 | <alkisg> Thanks knipwim, for the "self" suggestion too :)
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| 17:28 | <alkisg> The first time the user will run `ltsp-update-image --arch=self`, or `--export-self`. This will generate /opt/ltsp/images/self.img. The next time, if the user doesn't provide an arch, I'd like it to default to `self` again, so maybe --arch=self makes more sense...
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| 17:28 | On a related subject, at some point we'll also add code for exporting a .vdi or .qcow or other image. One idea is to grow a very large set of parameters; another is to consider all of them "arches" (since that's the parameter name, otherwise we could just call them "image names"), and to have .conf file sections that describe where they are, how they can be mounted etc.
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| 17:28 | So I guess I'm proposing that "self" and "myvboximage" and "myqemuimage" can all be considered "arches", so that after they're generated once, ltsp-update-image defaults to them in the future, if no other chroot exists...
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| 17:31 | <||cw> alkisg: but then you'd need a vboximgx32 and vboximgx64
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| 17:31 | <alkisg> ||cw: no, the local sysadmin would create a .conf file that would describe where it is and how to mount it
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| 17:32 | <||cw> imo, arch should match up with distro arch
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| 17:32 | <alkisg> So he can name it myvboximage and it would be 32bit or 64bit or arm or whatever he wants
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| 17:32 | <||cw> ah I see, so local arch overrides, that would be ok
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| 17:32 | <alkisg> In most ltsp-* commands, "arch" is what we call the chroot name
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| 17:32 | So --arch=fati386 is a usual case
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| 17:33 | ...and of course fat isn't really an arch, it's just a chroot name
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| 17:36 | <vagrantc> for ltsp-update-image currently, --arch is used both for the source (/opt/ltsp/i386) and the destination (/opt/ltsp/images/i386.img)
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| 17:41 | <alkisg> True, but we need something more now, (e.g. from / to /opt/ltsp/images/self.img, from /home/teacher/my.vdi to /opt/ltsp/images/vbox.img...), do you think it's better expressed by [arch] configuration sections, or by possibly many new ltsp-update-image parameters?
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| 17:42 | * vagrantc ponders | |
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| 17:46 | <gilad1> hello
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| 17:47 | <alkisg> Hello
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| 17:48 | <gilad1> we just set up a new ltsp server, having trouble getting sound working. we are using diskless workstations as endpoints and fedora 13 server.
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| 17:52 | * alkisg is afraid that LTSP in Fedora is pretty much unmaintained... | |
| 17:52 | <gilad1> what is the recommended backend?
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| 17:55 | <alkisg> Debian, Ubuntu, OpenSuse, Gentoo, do have maintained LTSP versions
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| 17:57 | <gilad1> thanks alkisg, can you direct me to some documentation showing maintained versions? I've checked sourceforge and don't see it readily available.
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| 17:58 | <alkisg> gilad1: do you mean the package versions? E.g. http://packages.debian.org/ltsp ?
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| 17:58 | <||cw> gilad1: just a matter of comparing the official stable version with what's in your repos
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| 17:58 | <alkisg> The LTSP code is maintained on launchpad, there's nothing recent in sourceforge except for the mailing list
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| 18:00 | <gilad1> So the wiki on sourceforge is not current?
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| 18:00 | <alkisg> Yes, it isn't, it's in the process of being transferred
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| 18:02 | <Hyperbyte> eh
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| 18:02 | LTSP in Fedora isn't unmaintained
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| 18:02 | There's K12Linux (LTSP for Fedora 16, RHEL and CentOS)
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| 18:03 | <alkisg> Hyperbyte: Warren finally made a release?!
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| 18:03 | <Hyperbyte> What you want to do is use a recent version of Fedora, rather than EOL'd 13.
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| 18:03 | alkisg, it's been out for months.
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| 18:03 | <alkisg> Nice, I thought he gave up on that until he got funding
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| 18:04 | <alexc123> alkisg hyperbyte he got funding
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| 18:04 | <Hyperbyte> He did get funding.
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| 18:04 | Few thousand.
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| 18:04 | <alexc123> see www.k12linux.org
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| 18:04 | <alkisg> Good
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| 18:04 | * vagrantc wonders how they managed to update LTSP in Fedora without making commits to ltsp-trunk | |
| 18:04 | <Hyperbyte> He didn't pocket it AFAIK, by the way - seems fair enough to mention it.
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| 18:06 | <gilad1> what is the most common distro for ltsp? i.e. which one will have the largest community of people solving the same issues... ;-)
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| 18:06 | <alexc123> gilad1: Ubuntu.
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| 18:07 | * vagrantc is curious on actual numbers | |
| 18:07 | <gilad1> alexc123: thanks
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| 18:07 | <alexc123> vagrantc: OT: hence the need for a form of some type ... ;)
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| 18:07 | <vagrantc> heh
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| 18:08 | alexc123: you'll bias the results with people who fill out forms :P
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| 18:08 | <alexc123> and i supposed you could argue "technically" it would be debian because of the ubuntu debian ties? heh
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| 18:08 | vagrantc: for $5 could be all debian!! ;)
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| 18:08 | <vagrantc> well, the largest install i know of was debian, don't know if it's still around
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| 18:08 | <alexc123> vagrantc: how large
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| 18:08 | <vagrantc> 3,000 - 4,000 debian servers running 16-32 seats each
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| 18:09 | <gilad1> does anyone have sound successfully working on disklessworkstations t1225?
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| 18:09 | <alkisg> vagrantc: where was that? brazil? spain?
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| 18:09 | <vagrantc> alexc123: that is/was in extremadura, spain
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| 18:09 | <alexc123> vagrantc: thats pretty good, who did the work, what company? largest i know in USA is about 1800 servers 17,000 thin cilents
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| 18:09 | <vagrantc> alexc123: essentially one server per classroom
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| 18:09 | <||cw> what was it used for?
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| 18:10 | ah, school
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| 18:11 | <alexc123> gilad1: I know that sound does work on LTSP Term 1225 from DisklessWorkstations.com ... I don't know if anyone in here has experience with it. Best answer I can provide ATM
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| 18:12 | <vagrantc> http://www.bristolwireless.net/2012/01/spain-extremadura-to-migrate-40000-public-sector-desktops-to-debian/
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| 18:12 | although i don't know if they're still using LTSP ... in 2009 they were using LTSP
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| 18:12 | * alexc123 prepares the Trophy to Vagrantc on behalf of Debian | |
| 18:13 | <alexc123> vagrantc: is that just an article, or did Bristol do the work?
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| 18:13 | <vagrantc> alexc123: that was just an article ...
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| 18:14 | alexc123: the project was done by junta de extremadura, the regional government
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| 18:14 | <alexc123> vagrantc ok
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| 18:16 | <vagrantc> alexc123: i'll see if i can dig up info on the current status of things
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| 18:16 | <alexc123> vagrantc would be great if you could! let me know
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| 18:26 | * alkisg thinks nubae has worked there | |
| 18:28 | <vagrantc> alkisg: that was in a more southern region
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| 18:28 | met nubae on the same trip :)
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| 18:28 | (the region around sevilla)
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| 18:29 | <alkisg> vagrantc: is debian live considered a supported installation method? I was thinking about deploying debian in a few schools here as a test drive, because some teachers weren't really satisfied with unity etc, and debian live would be closer to the installation method they already know...
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| 18:29 | <vagrantc> alkisg: should work ... dunno what you mean aboutt supportted?
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| 18:30 | <alkisg> E.g. if someone goes in #debian and says that he uses sidux, they'll respond "go to #sidux", even if they use the same repositories
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| 18:31 | ...aptosid or whatever its name is now
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| 18:38 | <vagrantc> alkisg: well, debian-live is an official debian project, though they might redirect you to #debian-live if it's something specific to the live environment, live iinstaller, etc.
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| 18:38 | <alkisg> The "official" part sounds reassuring :)
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| 18:39 | <vagrantc> there are (were?) at least two ways to install from debian-live ... one that was basically running the standard debian-installer from a live environment, and another that just install the live image you were running (kind of like your ltsp-pnp idea in reverse)
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| 18:40 | <alkisg> I think that second one is what Ubuntu's ubiquity is doing as well
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| 18:47 | <alexc123> vagrantc alkisg ... good to chat, talk to you next week, have a good weekend!
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| 18:47 | <gilad1> Here is the error I am getting when running hipchat, installed from AUR package:(adl:29670): Gtk-WARNING **: Unable to locate theme engine in module_path: "clearlooks",
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| 18:47 | Gtk-Message: Failed to load module "canberra-gtk-module"
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| 18:47 | Error: HTMLLoader failed to initialize
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| 18:47 | TypeError: Error #1009
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| 18:47 | <alkisg> bb alexc123, have a nice weekend
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| 19:14 | <alkisg> !seen Gadi
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| 19:14 | <ltsp> alkisg: Gadi was last seen in #ltsp 16 weeks, 3 days, 3 hours, 35 minutes, and 3 seconds ago: <Gadi> :)
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| 19:14 | <alkisg> Meh
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| 19:15 | * Hyperbyte hugs alkisg | |
| 19:16 | <muppis> Any easy way to convert thin to fat?
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| 19:21 | <gilad1> kindly disregard my typos above, was intended for a private chat ;-)
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| 19:40 | <vagrantc> meh++
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| 19:41 | <muppis> Compile failed. Probably missiing ; ?
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| 21:44 | <fuzai> Hi I'm experiencing jerky mouse scrolling on my terminals ( ubuntu 12.04 lts ) and I found a reference to a configuration option in lts.conf, but in lts.conf doesn't seem to exist anymore. So where would be the best for me to set a value that could fix this?
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| 21:46 | <dead_inside> what do you mean lts.conf doesn't exist anymore?
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| 21:46 | thats still used as far as i was aware....
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| 21:47 | <fuzai> http://pastebin.com/Fwf8uLCW
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| 21:47 | oh never mind i get it now, i have to create the file, it doesn't just exist
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| 21:47 | <dead_inside> /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/lts.conf
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| 21:47 | <fuzai> it doesn't exist
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| 21:47 | <dead_inside> :)
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| 21:47 | create it
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| 21:49 | <fuzai> ok is there an lts.conf generator because the page i'm looking at is for ltsp 4.1 and has a ton of options and i only need one
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| 21:49 | http://www.opensubscriber.com/message/ltsp-discuss@lists.sourceforge.net/4193267.html
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| 21:49 | X_MOUSE_RESOLUTION = 400 seems to be the fix
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| 21:51 | <||cw> fuzai: I htink everything in lts.conf is optional, so if you find a sample, just remove what you don't want
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| 21:51 | <fuzai> ok cool thank you
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| 21:52 | Did any of you need to do anything to smooth out the mouse scroll wheel for your clients?
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| 23:14 | <andygraybeal__> i installed 12.04 on my laptop :)
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| 23:14 | getting used to it :)
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