IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.libera.chat (webchat)
Channel log from 25 May 2007 (all times are UTC)
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| 01:03 | <Nikopoika> has someone installed ltsp 5 in debian using this howto: http://marc.info/?l=ltsp-discuss&m=117597535215335&w=2
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| 01:06 | same howto seems to be located in ltsp wiki too: http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/Debian#LTSP_5_and_Debian_Etch
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| 01:07 | still no sound...
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| 01:22 | <Nikopoika> does edubuntu have some sort of click and point install-wizard in ltsp
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| 01:22 | sry for my bad english
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| 01:25 | <sep> Nikopoika, debian etch have ltsp packages.
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| 01:26 | install the ltsp-server package and read in /usr/share/doc/ltsp-server/*
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| 01:30 | Nikopoika, sorry i didn't notice that it used those packages... just ignore me :)
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| 01:36 | <Nikopoika> heh, ok :D
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| 05:26 | <nf1> Hi, somebody got experience with Via CLE266 video and LTSP?
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| 07:22 | <mhterres> morning
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| 07:28 | <Rimas> Hi! How can I tell dhcpd to listen on eth0 interface and not ra1?
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| 07:28 | <ogra-classmate> which distro ?
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| 07:29 | <Rimas> ubuntu 7.04 (amd64)
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| 07:32 | I've checked syslog and it was some actinity toward ra1. But my thin client is connected to eth0
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| 07:40 | <nobios> the dhpcd listen to the interface that it's configured in its dhcpd.conf
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| 07:41 | example: subnet 192.168.0.0 netmask 255.255.255.0 {
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| 07:41 | and it will listen to the interface that uses: 192.168.0.X
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| 07:41 | <vagrantc> Rimas: you could additionally configure it in /etc/default/dhcp3-server
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| 07:42 | Rimas: well, restrict which interfaces it listens on
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| 07:42 | Rimas: you'll still have to configure your networking properly and /etc/dhcp3/dhcpd.conf properly
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| 07:44 | <Rimas> My PC is also in lical network and it seems to have also 192.168.0.x address
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| 07:45 | so ra1 gets it's address from another dhcp-server
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| 07:45 | should I slecify anothe subnet range?
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| 07:45 | <vagrantc> yes
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| 07:46 | and then configure your networking and dhcpd.conf to the new network
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| 07:46 | <nobios> it's better to have another class in the interface that will run ltsp. Maybe 10.0.0.X or 192.168.1.X
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| 07:48 | <Rimas> networking -- it's eth0 configuration? Is it correct? or should I edit some conf-files?
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| 07:48 | I think I understand the issue.. I'll try this
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| 07:49 | <Rimas> thanks a lot
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| 08:54 | <ogra-classmate> !s
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| 08:54 | <ltspbot`> ogra-classmate: "s" is Scotty!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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| 08:54 | <sbalneav> Morning!
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| 08:54 | arrrrgh
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| 08:54 | I'm so close.
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| 08:54 | <ogra-classmate> ??
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| 08:54 | <sbalneav> So, In one day, I've....
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| 08:55 | re-written LDM in C, enough that...
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| 08:55 | <cliebow_> yes...............
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| 08:55 | <sbalneav> 1) It creates the xauth key
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| 08:55 | 2) Launches X
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| 08:55 | 3) Launches a greeter
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| 08:55 | 4) Gets the userid and password
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| 08:56 | * vagrantc says on behalf of ogra "you don't even need to create the xauth key" | |
| 08:56 | <sbalneav> I'm stuck on the ssh bit. I'm forking off the ssh, and trying to pipe stdin and stdout to the parent, but it doesn't seem to be working.
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| 08:56 | <vagrantc> except we will
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| 08:56 | <ogra-classmate> any speedups you notice between 1 and 3?
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| 08:56 | <vagrantc> sbalneav: yeah, ssh is very particular about that
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| 08:57 | <sbalneav> Not sure if it's something SSH_ASKPASS related, or just something I'm doing wrong.
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| 08:57 | ogra-classmate: it's instantaneous
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| 08:57 | <vagrantc> sbalneav: you have to run without a controlling tty
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| 08:57 | <ogra-classmate> sbalneav: tewsted in the e2300 ?
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| 08:57 | *tested
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| 08:57 | <sbalneav> no, but tested on a 300 mhz box
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| 08:57 | so, slow.
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| 08:58 | <vagrantc> hey
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| 08:58 | <sbalneav> there's a definite speedup.
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| 08:58 | <ogra-classmate> zaz
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| 08:58 | <ogra-classmate> err
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| 08:58 | yay
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| 08:58 | <vagrantc> ogra-classmate: you and your y/z issues
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| 08:58 | <sbalneav> Who's a C maven who may be able to give me a hand?
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| 08:59 | <ogra-classmate> how can you guys type with all these flipped keys ALL YOUR LIFE !
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| 08:59 | <sbalneav> And more to the point, how to I fork something without a controlling tty, if that's my problem? :)
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| 08:59 | <vagrantc> i can type 80 wpm on a keyboard designed to slow me down!
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| 08:59 | sbalneav: if you run it from init
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| 08:59 | <ogra-classmate> me too ... but dont ask about the words :)
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| 09:00 | <vagrantc> sbalneav: or from "daemon"
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| 09:00 | <sbalneav> it is being run from init.
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| 09:00 | it's being started in the screen script.
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| 09:00 | <vagrantc> sbalneav: from the screen script?
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| 09:00 | <sbalneav> yeah
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| 09:00 | <vagrantc> sbalneav: the screen script feeds it a controlling tty
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| 09:00 | sbalneav: try just running it in the screen script directly
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| 09:00 | er
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| 09:01 | not with a screen script, but in the init script directly
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| 09:01 | <sbalneav> Well, how does something like expect handle this?
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| 09:01 | That's what I need: an expect-like functionality.
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| 09:02 | <vagrantc> ssh does it that way for security purposes.
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| 09:02 | there are good reasons to do it that way.
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| 09:02 | they make it very hard to steal the password.
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| 09:02 | if you start messing with expect, i'd question the security.
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| 09:03 | <sbalneav> but we need to script somehow, seeing how:
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| 09:04 | We're either going to be asked a password, or:
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| 09:04 | <ogra-classmate> http://osdir.com/ml/network.openssh.devel/2003-03/msg00066.html
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| 09:04 | how about that one
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| 09:04 | <vagrantc> if we properly handle SSH_ASKPASS, it will work.
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| 09:04 | <sbalneav> if the password's expired, we're going to have to prompt for a new password, and supply it.
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| 09:05 | <vagrantc> sbalneav: run it without a controlling tty and use a proper ssh-askpass implementation
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| 09:05 | <ogra-classmate> i doubt that will work
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| 09:05 | ssh's pam setup doesnt handle update passwords afaik
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| 09:06 | <sbalneav> Right.
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| 09:06 | that's why we need to actually control it via stdin and stdout.
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| 09:06 | <ogra-classmate> did you have a look at the mail
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| 09:07 | there is a detach from tty function
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| 09:09 | <sbalneav> Looking at it
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| 09:12 | <vagrantc> ogra-classmate: are you just assuming ssh-askpass won't work with password expiry, or do you have information suggesting it won't?
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| 09:13 | <ogra-classmate> i have looked at the pam scripts ... bedyond thats its just a guess, i didnt actively try it out
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| 09:14 | <sbalneav> vagrantc: I can't get it to work.
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| 09:14 | <vagrantc> sbalneav: ok.
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| 09:16 | <sbalneav> Man, this is frustrating.
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| 09:17 | <ogra-classmate> YEAH, SSH FIDDLING IN c IS NO FUN
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| 09:17 | OOPS
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| 09:17 | sorrz
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| 09:17 | gah
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| 09:17 | <sbalneav> Anyone within Ubuntu-dev who might be able to help me with this?
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| 09:17 | <ogra-classmate> cjwqatson ? as ssh expert
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| 09:18 | <sbalneav> k
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| 09:18 | <ogra-classmate> dunno who ever wrote an ssh wrapper
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| 09:18 | pitti probably
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| 09:18 | <bricode> What did you guys find out after profiling LTSP in Seville?
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| 09:18 | <ogra-classmate> its slow
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| 09:18 | and should be faster
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| 09:18 | :)
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| 09:19 | <bricode> I knew that much.
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| 09:19 | <vagrantc> yeah, but now we *really* know it.
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| 09:19 | <ogra-classmate> heh
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| 09:19 | <bricode> But do you know *why*?
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| 09:19 | <ogra-classmate> well, we expected a major nfs issue which we couldnt prove
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| 09:20 | and we expected a major kernel difference which turned out during measuring that the 4.2 kernel is booting 11 secs faster than the ubuntu kernel
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| 09:20 | not much of a difference
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| 09:20 | <vagrantc> bricode: honestly, if we actually made significant progress over the course of working on it several days, we would probably mention something like "yes, this is why"
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| 09:20 | <ogra-classmate> and we looked at the initramfs implementation 4.2 used
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| 09:21 | to identify the differences
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| 09:21 | <vagrantc> we tried lots of things, but came up with little
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| 09:22 | it was frustrating to face defeat day after day with all of us there to brainstorm ideas and other talented people around.
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| 09:23 | <ogra-classmate> we found plenty of things we will fix and speedup for gutsy though
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| 09:23 | but not the major thing we expected to find
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| 09:23 | <bricode> That's good.
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| 09:24 | <ogra-classmate> it will be incredibly fast on quite recent HW but the slowdowns on things like the e2300 were not identified so there probably wont change much
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| 09:26 | <vagrantc> there are some thin-clients out there only %25 more expensive with 4 times the processor power
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| 09:27 | <ogra-classmate> right
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| 09:27 | but jammcq insisted in getting the 2300 to work
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| 09:27 | and he is right
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| 09:27 | sadly
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| 09:28 | it will be usable with static xorg.conf and the udev changes, but still wont be fast
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| 09:28 | <vagrantc> when i get to freegeek, i'm going to find similar speed hardware and see if it's something specific to the e2300
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| 09:28 | <ogra-classmate> well, moquist has k6-400's thatb boot very fast\
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| 09:28 | <vagrantc> yeah, but that's a much faster processor
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| 09:29 | <sbalneav> I wonder if I can close /dev/tty, and re-open it myself rw
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| 09:29 | can you do that?
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| 09:29 | <ogra-classmate> its the kind of the CPU, not the speed
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| 09:29 | you are root, why shouldnt you
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| 09:29 | <vagrantc> that's a good operating philosophy :)
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| 09:30 | <ogra-classmate> hee
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| 09:30 | h
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| 09:31 | * vagrantc needs to stop being sick | |
| 09:34 | * vagrantc wonders why we don't just write a GUI frontend to sdm | |
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| 09:35 | <vagrantc> ldm isn't really doing anything fancy
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| 09:35 | it's just essentially building a commandline from some environment variables
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| 09:35 | <sbalneav> does sdm handle password expiry?
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| 09:35 | <vagrantc> never tried
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| 09:35 | it just uses ssh-askpass
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| 09:36 | <sbalneav> try it.
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| 09:36 | <vagrantc> so, password expiry works on the commandline?
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| 09:37 | <sbalneav> yup. If you ssh into a box with an expired password, it will ask you for a new one.
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| 09:37 | if you do it with something that needs ssh-askpass, it just fails.
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| 09:37 | <vagrantc> ok.
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| 09:37 | just wanted to make sure i understand what's broken
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| 09:38 | <sbalneav> yeah, if ssh-askpass worked, this would be much easier.
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| 09:39 | * vagrantc wonders what it would take to get ssh-askpass to work | |
| 09:39 | <vagrantc> rather than re-implementing ssh-askpass like functionality
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| 09:40 | it's probably challenging...
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| 10:05 | <rjune-isis> Gad1: !
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| 10:06 | <PMantis> rjune!
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| 10:06 | <rjune-isis> PMantis: !
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| 10:06 | <cliebow_> PMantis!
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| 10:06 | <PMantis> HEH
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| 10:06 | Hmmm caps
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| 10:07 | <Gad1> rjune!!!!!
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| 10:08 | where you been hiding?
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| 10:08 | <cliebow_> cliebow is intimate with ibooks..strewn all over
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| 10:08 | <Gad1> cliebow_: no tongue, please
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| 10:08 | <cliebow_> heh..
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| 10:09 | * cliebow_ cliebow looks for bigger hammer | |
| 10:09 | <cliebow_> gd aluminun allen screws
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| 10:23 | <rjune-isis> Gad1: been working
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| 10:40 | <rjune-isis> Gad1: I'm building routers again now though
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| 10:40 | not working at the school anymore
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| 10:41 | <Gad1> rjune-isis: building routers?
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| 10:53 | <PMantis> rjune-isis: No school??
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| 10:54 | wow
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| 11:01 | <sbalneav> arrgh, worser and worser.
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| 11:03 | so, if you do a "ssh -l user somehost /etc/X11/xsession", and your password's expired, it won't ask you for a new password, it just fails, becayse the new password bit's handled by pam on the remote end.
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| 11:03 | <PMantis> That's icky
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| 11:04 | <sbalneav> so, in order to handle password expiry, we'll have to do an "ssh -l somename host" plain, test to see if it works, if the password's expired, reset it,
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| 11:04 | <ogra-classmate> sbalneav: thats what i was saying all the time
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| 11:04 | <sbalneav> ok
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| 11:04 | <ogra-classmate> we need to iterate over several ssh client instances ... sadly
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| 11:05 | <sbalneav> So are you ok with the solution of loggining in to test/reset, then respawning the ssh for the x session.
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| 11:05 | ?
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| 11:05 | <ogra-classmate> yes, thats what i was saying the last three days in here being lynched by you guys
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| 11:05 | <sbalneav> You weren't being lynched by me.
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| 11:05 | <ogra-classmate> well, by vagrand jammcq :)
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| 11:05 | <PMantis> Be nice to ogra! :)
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| 11:06 | <ogra-classmate> *vagrantc
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| 11:06 | <sbalneav> I'm ALWAYS the nice one :)
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| 11:06 | ok, so, that's what I'll do then.
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| 11:06 | <ogra-classmate> right, :)
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| 11:07 | <sbalneav> It We'll lose a couple of seconds, but the speed increase brought on by not using python will more than make up for it. It'll still be a net win.
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| 11:07 | <ogra-classmate> right
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| 11:07 | vagrant and jammcq were concedrned by the ressources a second ssh client could eat
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| 11:08 | i think thats marginal thoough
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| 11:08 | <sbalneav> Well, you'll start an ssh to test login/expiry, then close it, and start the "real" one.
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| 11:08 | so there shouldn't be any extra memory, etc. used up
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| 11:08 | just a little extra time.
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| 11:09 | <ogra-classmate> well, my idea was to start an ssh connection without starting the Xsession
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| 11:09 | and do everything from then on through the socket instead
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| 11:09 | <sbalneav> That would work too.
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| 11:09 | <PMantis> Boy, LTSP has changed quite a bit since I first started hanging around here...
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| 11:09 | <ogra-classmate> we could get rid of the longish ssh command
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| 11:10 | <sbalneav> Just wondering how we'd track the end of the session with that, but it's worth a shot.
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| 11:10 | ah.
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| 11:10 | <ogra-classmate> and start stuff piece by piece through the socket... that will ease modularization
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| 11:10 | <sbalneav> kill $PPID? maybe?
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| 11:10 | <ogra-classmate> yeah
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| 11:10 | that should work
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| 11:10 | * sbalneav fiddles | |
| 11:11 | <ogra-classmate> thats what we use now iirc
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| 11:11 | <sbalneav> I got 3 hours sleep last night, this was bugging me so much. :)
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| 11:11 | <ogra-classmate> oh man
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| 11:12 | i had a similar night though with the classmate wlan driver (which works now even without NM)
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| 12:04 | <rjune-isis> Gad1: yup, http://www.imagestream.com
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| 12:44 | <moquist> jammcq: how hard would it be for me to get a 4.2 kernel working in an edubuntu chroot? (I would guess thsi has been tried before...)
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| 12:46 | <ogra-classmate> moquist: you only gain 11secs
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| 12:47 | <moquist> ogra-classmate: But maybe more on this laptop. :)
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| 12:47 | <ogra-classmate> its not the kernel, its the initramfs that makes the difference
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| 12:47 | i tried both kernels with the ubuntu initramfs and all i found there was that the kernel is done 11secs earlier before it mounts the initramfs
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| 12:48 | we will have to look at the 4.2 scripts and check if we can make use of anything in there to gean a real speedup
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| 12:49 | i will look into that very deeply once i got the classmate stuff done
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| 12:49 | <moquist> ogra-classmate: But it seems like this laptop has some issue with *something* that's just slowing it down overall. It's running slower than a machine with half the RAM and less than half the Mhz. 8-\ And it boots a 4.2 kernel in <35 seconds.
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| 12:49 | <petre> afternoon all
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| 12:49 | <ogra-classmate> its high prio on my list
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| 12:49 | <moquist> petre: HI!
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| 12:49 | ogra-classmate: cool
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| 12:50 | <ogra-classmate> hmm
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| 12:50 | <petre> moquist: hey there
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| 12:50 | <ogra-classmate> moquist: i'm not sure the 4.2 kernel uses preemption
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| 12:50 | <moquist> ogra-classmate: at this point I'm just throwing lots of stuff at this laptop to find whatever it is that's taking so long.
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| 12:50 | <ogra-classmate> and the ubuntu kernel might use a different scheduler
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| 12:50 | <moquist> ogra-classmate: I wondered about preemption. and scheduling.
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| 12:51 | <ogra-classmate> you can set the scheduler somehow via a kernel option
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| 12:51 | dont ask me how its called exactly :P
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| 12:52 | <ogra-classmate> probably scheduler=
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| 12:52 | * moquist has to catch a plane | |
| 12:52 | <moquist> :p
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| 12:53 | bye
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| 12:53 | <ogra-classmate> ciao
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| 12:53 | safe flight
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| 13:15 | <happywithed> Hello everyone
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| 13:15 | <petre> hello happywithed
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| 13:16 | <happywithed> I would like to clear a folder on the LTSP5 server that all students have access to, any ideas how I can do that?
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| 13:16 | hi petre
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| 13:16 | <petre> happywithed: when you say 'clear a folder' do mean delete all the files in that folder?
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| 13:17 | <happywithed> sorry create
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| 13:17 | not clear
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| 13:17 | I am running edubuntu feisty, a server to 15 clients
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| 13:17 | <petre> create a directory/folder in, say, home/ called classroom, make it 777
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| 13:18 | <happywithed> that would give access to everyone to read, write and execute it though
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| 13:19 | I see what you are saying though
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| 13:19 | <petre> right, any problem with that?
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| 13:20 | Then put a symlink to the directory in each student's ~/Desktop/ and then they can just click and drag files to it
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| 13:20 | <happywithed> I guess, the problem would be that anyone can delete any file that I place there, so maybe 744 would work better
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| 13:20 | <petre> or create a script that does
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| 13:20 | <happywithed> they could copy it to their own home and then change the permissions
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| 13:20 | <petre> cp $1 /home/classroom
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| 13:21 | is this for passing files to students or for students to pass files to the teacher?
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| 13:21 | <Gad1> happywithed: chmod 1777
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| 13:21 | <happywithed> If I have a student called, say joe, who has a folder in /home/joe, how could I create a link to /home/classroom automatically?
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| 13:22 | <Gad1> (then, users can only delete their own files)
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| 13:22 | <happywithed> Gad1, that makes sense
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| 13:22 | petre: for the teacher to pass files to the students
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| 13:23 | <happywithed> In other words, is there a way that the classroom folder appears on the all of the students home directories or desktop?
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| 13:24 | <Gad1> make a symlink
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| 13:24 | <ogra-classmate> sure, write a little script that creates the symling in their Desktop folder
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| 13:26 | <petre> happywithed: you could add this to /etc/profile:
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| 13:27 | <ogra-classmate> for i in $(ls /home); do if [ -e /home/$i/Desktop ]; then ln /path/to/your/dir /home/$i/Desktop/classroom ;fi ;done
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| 13:27 | just adjust /path/to/your/dir in the above line
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| 13:27 | <petre> if [ ! -L /home/${USER}/Desktop/classroom ] && ln -s /home/classroom /home/${USER}/home/Desktop/classroom
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| 13:28 | <happywithed> ogra, petre, thanks, I'll try that
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| 13:28 | <petre> Gad1: ping
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| 13:28 | <Gad1> petre: pong
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| 13:29 | Gad1 is now known as GadiRomm | |
| 13:29 | <petre> go get your plane ticket to minneapolis for NCLS, we need you here
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| 13:29 | <GadiRomm> better
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| 13:29 | got it already ;)
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| 13:29 | know anything about Sun Country Airlines?
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| 13:29 | <petre> oh good!
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| 13:29 | Yeah, they're good deal
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| 13:29 | <GadiRomm> heh
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| 13:29 | hope they have wings
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| 13:29 | <jammcq> petre: how many should I make the reservation for?
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| 13:30 | <petre> especially if they bring you into the Humphrey terminal rather than the main (Lindbergh) terminal
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| 13:30 | Humphrey is all brand new, not used much, easy to get in & out of
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| 13:30 | I'm SOOO glad you're coming
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| 13:30 | <GadiRomm> cool
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| 13:30 | <petre> Scott had to pull out because his son has his last jazz band concert on that Friday night
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| 13:31 | <GadiRomm> at some point, you need to send me some details - like where is it?
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| 13:31 | ;)
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| 13:31 | <petre> which I agreed is more important
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| 13:31 | see www.nclinux.net
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| 13:32 | if you picture Mpls. as a square, unfortunately the airport is in the lower right corner and the college is in the upper right corner
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| 13:32 | about a 35 minute drive
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| 13:32 | but easy, just one right turn ;-)
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| 13:33 | when are you coming in?
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| 13:34 | <jammcq> petre: where is eden prairie in that square?
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| 13:35 | <petre> lower left corner, just at the point where you make a right turn to head north
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| 13:36 | so, you just head west from the airport on I-494, go about 5-10 miles and you're in Eden Prairie
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| 13:36 | <jammcq> cool
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| 13:36 | <petre> your hotel is right off I-494
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| 13:37 | then to get up to the college, you go back east on 494 a mile or so and then head north on Hwy 169
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| 13:37 | <ogra-classmate> jammcq: so are you home at all the next two months ?
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| 13:37 | <petre> going north is farther than the distance from EP to the airport, so the 'square' that is Mpls is really more of a rectangle
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| 13:38 | <jammcq> ogra-classmate: mostly. I'll be in Minneapolis for 2 days. I think that's the only trip before Portland
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| 13:39 | <ogra-classmate> ah, good for you
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| 13:41 | <jammcq> ogra-classmate: you doing some travelling?
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| 13:42 | <ogra-classmate> berlin next week, then london, portland somewhere in the loop there is stockholm and czprus
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| 13:42 | *cyprus
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| 13:42 | <jammcq> wow
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| 13:42 | busy busy
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| 13:43 | <ogra-classmate> and that doesnt include any surprises from intel yet
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| 13:43 | who knows what comes up with that
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| 13:50 | <GadiRomm> petre- thanks
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| 13:52 | <petre> GadiRomm: you're welcome--uh, for what?
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| 13:52 | <GadiRomm> the info
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| 13:52 | <petre> oh, sure, got lots of that ;-)
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| 13:52 | are you staying at the Courtyard where jammcq is?
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| 13:53 | it's rather too bad that we're not doing it a week later:
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| 13:54 | my wife and kids will all be out of town, so I could have put everyone up at my house
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| 14:05 | ogra-classmate: are you the only canonical person working on ltsp?
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| 14:07 | <ogra-classmate> yes, but we hired a second one
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| 14:07 | he'll start in about 6 weeks
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| 14:07 | <petre> where?
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| 14:07 | <ogra-classmate> here
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| 14:07 | <petre> de?
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| 14:08 | <vagrantc> in cyberspace
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| 14:08 | <ogra-classmate> irc
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| 14:08 | :)
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| 14:09 | <petre> yes, but physically, were does he live?
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| 14:09 | <jammcq> heh
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| 14:09 | that's a VERY good question
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| 14:09 | <petre> (everyone's a comedian--sheesh)
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| 14:09 | ;-)
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| 14:10 | <ogra-classmate> petre: he wears his nick for a reason ;) (now guess whom i mean)
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| 14:11 | <petre> uh, vagrantc?
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| 14:12 | * vagrantc begins to wonder | |
| 14:12 | <jammcq> ding ding ding .... Tell him what he's won
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| 14:12 | <ogra-classmate> heh
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| 14:12 | a rubberspot
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| 14:13 | with handle
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| 14:13 | <petre> what is the reason he wears his nick?
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| 14:13 | vagrantc: ?
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| 14:13 | * petre hopes he isn't being indiscreet in asking | |
| 14:14 | * vagrantc would find it ridiculous if vagrantc were offended at people asking | |
| 14:16 | <vagrantc> petre: in the last several years, the longest i stayed in any one place was 6 or 7 months, but those were long stays
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| 14:17 | <vagrantc> usually it's more like 1-3 months...
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| 14:20 | <Guaraldo> sbalneav: Hi... I've found a but on LTSP4.2 of ubuntu on ltsp-devices.sh...
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| 14:20 | * vagrantc notices central madrid is crazy during the weekends | |
| 14:20 | <vagrantc> LTSP 4.2 on ubuntu? blasphemy!
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| 14:20 | :)
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| 14:21 | <Guaraldo> vagrantc: It couses bug of non-deletion of device icon on Desktop...
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| 14:22 | vagrantc: the shell of the workstation doesn't suport elif command
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| 14:23 | vagrantc: I've corrected this by changing elif by a fi an another if...
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| 14:23 | <jammcq> REALLY !!!!! ?
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| 14:23 | <vagrantc> yes, well, why not LTSP5 on ubuntu ?
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| 14:23 | <Guaraldo> jammcq: Really... :-D
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| 14:23 | <jammcq> the shell of the workstation, in a shell running ON the workstation? or in an xterm ?
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| 14:24 | <Guaraldo> jammcq: ON en WS...
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| 14:24 | <jammcq> hmm
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| 14:24 | <ogra-classmate> vagrantc: oh, i got encrypted mail
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| 14:24 | <Guaraldo> ops... on THE WS
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| 14:24 | <jammcq> then it doesn't have anything to do with Ubuntu
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| 14:24 | because those are "LTSP" packages
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| 14:24 | Guaraldo: which script did you modify?
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| 14:24 | <vagrantc> ogra-classmate: what secrets must that hold?
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| 14:25 | <ogra-classmate> well, no idea until i get to my other machine
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| 14:25 | <jammcq> vagrantc: he could tell you, but then he'd have to kill you
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| 14:25 | * vagrantc is in the mood for some battle-to-the-death anyways | |
| 14:25 | <ogra-classmate> i need to get done with that classmate so i can use one of the usb sticks for work
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| 14:25 | <Guaraldo> jammcq: really... the problem can be corrected on the /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/udev/scripts/ltsp-devices.sh script
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| 14:25 | <ogra-classmate> and copy over my home to it
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| 14:26 | <jammcq> Guaraldo: line 189 ?
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| 14:26 | sbalneav: ping
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| 14:26 | * ogra-classmate is planning to make the classmate his main system for the next 6 months | |
| 14:26 | * jammcq thinks ogra-classmate is a glutton for punishment | |
| 14:26 | <Guaraldo> jammcq: exactly
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| 14:26 | <ogra-classmate> hmmm, i didnt trz how it performs as ltsp server yet ....
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| 14:27 | jammcq: i just want to be sure it works like i want
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| 14:27 | best way to find that out is to use it
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| 14:27 | <lns> ogra-classmate, what's classmate?
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| 14:28 | <ogra-classmate> classmatepc.com
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| 14:28 | <lns> thx =)
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| 14:28 | <vagrantc> if ; elif ; else ; fi is all POSIX shell ... what kind of shell wouldn't support that ?
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| 14:28 | <Guaraldo> vagrantc: good question...
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| 14:29 | <vagrantc> you'd never see that kind of craziness on ltsp5! :)
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| 14:29 | * vagrantc plays ltsp5 fanbot for a while | |
| 14:29 | <jammcq> Guaraldo: what doesn't make sense is the fact that the script is run by /bin/bash. take a look at line 1 of that script
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| 14:30 | <Guaraldo> jammcq: Yes... and on the bash prompt elif is recognized...
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| 14:30 | <jammcq> ogra-classmate: eating your own dogfood
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| 14:30 | Guaraldo: yeah, that's what doesn't make sense
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| 14:30 | <lns> ogra-classmate, are these pxe bootable?
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| 14:30 | <ogra-classmate> yeah
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| 14:30 | lns: yup
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| 14:30 | <lns> !!
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| 14:30 | <ltspbot`> lns: Error: "!" is not a valid command.
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| 14:30 | <Guaraldo> jammcq: But in the script it didn't work properly...
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| 14:30 | <lns> that's awesome
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| 14:30 | <jammcq> and..... if it's truly a problem, then EVERYBODY using LTSP_4.2 should be having that problem
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| 14:32 | <Guaraldo> jammcq: Yes... And I've heard about this problem with some people in Brazil... I was having this problem and was working on this...
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| 14:32 | <lns> I just got back from demoing an Ubuntu Feisty/LTSP setup to about 6 school comp. lab techs/teachers
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| 14:32 | <ogra-classmate> lns: you should see compiz on these little thingies if they run as ltsp clients
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| 14:32 | <lns> and we found a few bugs/issues that might/might not be known, mostly regarding the Ubuntu GUI
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| 14:33 | ogra-classmate, compiz on those? you mean, over LTSP?
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| 14:33 | <ogra-classmate> yes
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| 14:33 | <lns> hehehe
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| 14:33 | <ogra-classmate> its awesome
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| 14:33 | <lns> have you tried?
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| 14:33 | really??
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| 14:33 | <ogra-classmate> yeah
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| 14:33 | <lns> hahaha
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| 14:33 | <jammcq> lns: it's quite impressive
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| 14:33 | <lns> i'd pay money to see this
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| 14:33 | <jammcq> wobbly windows and all
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| 14:33 | <lns> oh i've been using beryl a lot, but not over ltsp!
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| 14:33 | <ogra-classmate> if you want bling on thin clients, find any with intel graphics card
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| 14:34 | <lns> dude
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| 14:34 | intel? like... i810??
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| 14:34 | <ogra-classmate> yeah
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| 14:34 | <lns> those are....cheapos!
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| 14:34 | <Guaraldo> jammcq: I was luky when touth about changing the elif command by an fi and another if (I've tink that wouldn't work becouse it's exactly the same thing)...
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| 14:34 | <lns> i wouldn't think it'd run very well at all on those
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| 14:34 | but i definitely believe you
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| 14:34 | i'm gonna need to try this in the lab
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| 14:34 | the students (and teachers) would go nuts
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| 14:34 | <ogra-classmate> intel provides all data about them to the commiunity, you wont find any better supported 3d engine in linux
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| 14:36 | <lns> wow... but does providing data to the community really compare to actual graphical hardware/drivers? I mean, I know that's a dumb question, but..I really didn't think Intel made very good gfx chipsets at all compared to ATI/NVidia
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| 14:36 | is the rendering / wobbling in compiz done over the network or on the client?
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| 14:36 | <jammcq> unfortunately, there aren't any thin clients with Intel cards, and there's no add-in cards with Intel chips
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| 14:37 | <ogra-classmate> right
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| 14:37 | <jammcq> yet
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| 14:37 | <lns> yeah...the neoware e100 clients have via gfx chipsets (not sis like i said yesterday as i thought from the spec sheets)
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| 14:38 | <lns> oh and as far as that issue with the lockups related to video, it wasn't client specific - my lts.conf had nfs swapping enabled for some crazy reason, that fixed half the lockups, the other half was related to an (unrelated) bug in ooimpress slideshow
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| 14:39 | <Guaraldo> gcompris works well on i810 graphic board...
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| 14:39 | My kids have one of this...
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| 14:40 | but i810 is NOT a good graphic boad... :-/ it's shippy... :-D
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| 14:41 | <lns> Guaraldo, yeah - i810 used to be a real pita for debian to recognize, and they had the shared mem..ugh
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| 14:41 | sloooow
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| 14:41 | <Guaraldo> lns: veeeeeeeeeeeeery slooooooooow... :-D
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| 14:42 | <ogra-classmate> well, i have an 910 in here
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| 14:42 | but the difference shouldnt be to big
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| 14:42 | <lns> yeah
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| 14:43 | Now here's my big question for the day:
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| 14:43 | I have a (rapidly) growing list of small and big bugs related to Ubuntu/LTSP that I'm experiencing with my lab of ~35 clients
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| 14:44 | they are (mostly) related to Gnome...is there somewhere I can post this list to keep up on it, or should I individually comb through the buglists to see if they're being addressed, or....?
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| 14:45 | <ogra-classmate> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+filebug
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| 14:45 | <lns> ogra-classmate, thank you =)
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| 14:45 | I'm still getting used to launchpad and filing bugs in general
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| 14:46 | <ogra-classmate> what were the worst things you found ?
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| 14:47 | (since the bugs will land on my desk anyway :) )
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| 14:48 | <lns> worst were things like not being able to remove an accidentally mounted ssh volume icon from the desktop, a black-box style cursor (instead of a nice arrow) in tsclient, how to disable update manager notification for the clients...
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| 14:48 | easiest way for giving temporary printer access to users on a per-session (or per-whatever) basis
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| 14:48 | <ogra-classmate> update-manager runs only for admin users
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| 14:49 | <lns> ok =) that's one..haha
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| 14:49 | <ogra-classmate> your normal userws shouldnt be in the admin group
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| 14:49 | <lns> i sure love irc =p
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| 14:49 | they aren't...i was logged in as myself (admin user)
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| 14:49 | i assumed it was the same for the others
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| 14:49 | <ogra-classmate> yeah, the ssh volum4e is a deswign problem
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| 14:49 | <lns> durr
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| 14:49 | oh ok so its known
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| 14:49 | <Guaraldo> lns: Do you use LTSP4.2???
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| 14:49 | <ogra-classmate> well, its a feature
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| 14:49 | <lns> Guaraldo, no - ltsp5
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| 14:50 | <Guaraldo> lns: Ok...
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| 14:50 | <ogra-classmate> using local devices doesnt need an eject option, so that is disabled globally in the gui for all users on thin clients automatically
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| 14:51 | indeed that brings probs if you have something like sshfs volumes
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| 14:51 | <lns> yeah
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| 14:51 | so it sees sshfs volumes as local devices?
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| 14:51 | <ogra-classmate> no, because you use a thin client eject is globally disabled
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| 14:52 | we're working on an implementation that uses virtual hal devices for gutsy
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| 14:52 | <lns> oh cool
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| 14:52 | <vagrantc> lns: are you actually using sshfs, or LTSP's local devices support?
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| 14:53 | <ogra-classmate> there is will be possible to specify unmounting functionallity per device and that prob should be solved
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| 14:53 | vagrantc: i assumed sshfs
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| 14:53 | * vagrantc makes no assumptions when troubleshooting or bug reporting | |
| 14:53 | <lns> vagrantc, to tell you the truth i'm not sure - the principal/IT guy at the school accidentally mounted an ssh volume (?? not sure how) from a client and couldn't 'unmount/eject/move to trash'
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| 14:53 | it was sshfs
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| 14:54 | <vagrantc> ok.
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| 14:54 | <lns> at least that's what the icon said (ssh)
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| 14:54 | <ogra-classmate> likely from the network servers dialog in gnome
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| 14:54 | <lns> ogra-classmate, yes
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| 14:54 | when he tried to drag to trash it said permission denied or similar
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| 14:55 | <ogra-classmate> you can tell him its a design bug we're aware of and are working on to solve it ;)
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| 14:55 | <lns> ogra-classmate, yes i will for sure.
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| 14:55 | i can't tell you guys how nice this is to be able to chat with you about this
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| 14:55 | i'm going to do everything I can to make it easier for us all to fix bugs, although IANAP
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| 14:55 | <ogra-classmate> but dont hesitate to file it please, my brain is a sieve sometimes, having reminder bugs helps a lot :)
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| 14:56 | <lns> no prob!
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| 14:56 | hehe
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| 14:56 | anything i can do
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| 14:57 | like i said i'm still getting used to bug filing in general, i hope filing dupe bugs / not enough information in them isn't too much of a hassle to go through for you guys
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| 14:57 | i want to be as efficient as possible in doing that
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| 14:59 | <testing> hello can somebody help me to use ltsp + thinstation?
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| 14:59 | <vagrantc> it's generally worse to have too much information than too little
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| 14:59 | er
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| 14:59 | <ogra-classmate> heh
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| 15:00 | <vagrantc> it's generally better to have too much information than too little
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| 15:00 | because if you have too much, you can filter it out right then, whereas, if you have too little, you have to ask more questions.
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| 15:01 | <lns> vagrantc, yes - i'll use the search capabilities to the best of my ability to try and find existing bugs and just comment on those before filing a new one
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| 15:01 | and i have a feeling i'll be filing lots because i'll be dealing with a lot of students and teachers that will be reporting them to me
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| 15:01 | * vagrantc is not happy with launchpad's bug searching capabilities | |
| 15:01 | <lns> again, probably mostly relating to the gnome UI in ubuntu
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| 15:02 | and related apps
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| 15:02 | vagrantc, can you suggest a best-practice way of searching for existing bugs in launchpad?
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| 15:02 | ex: searching for the package name itself, or symptoms, ..?
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| 15:03 | <vagrantc> lns: be extremely patient and spend ridiculous amounts of time?
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| 15:03 | <lns> hahaha
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| 15:03 | ok
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| 15:03 | i don't have a problem with that
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| 15:03 | but i'm sure it could be improved for everyone
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| 15:03 | who has control of that system?
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| 15:03 | <Burgundavia> it is also better to have two duplicate bugs and no bugs at all
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| 15:03 | * vagrantc is used to commandline clients for bug reporting with very flexible and quick filter patterns | |
| 15:04 | <Burgundavia> than no bugs at all, rather
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| 15:04 | hey vagrantc
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| 15:04 | where in the world are you today?
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| 15:04 | <vagrantc> lns: that's canonical's propreitary baby
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| 15:04 | Burgundavia: oh, you know the spot
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| 15:04 | <lns> vagrantc, aahh ok
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| 15:04 | so i'll bitch to ogra ;)
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| 15:04 | <Burgundavia> still madrid?
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| 15:04 | <vagrantc> Burgundavia: i have hardly moved
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| 15:04 | <Burgundavia> geez
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| 15:04 | it is a nice hostel
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| 15:04 | <vagrantc> Burgundavia: i've actually gotten a cold
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| 15:04 | <Burgundavia> ugh
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| 15:05 | <vagrantc> but that's no real excuse.
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| 15:05 | <lns> hostels rock =)
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| 15:06 | <vagrantc> Burgundavia: really, i have crappy search capabilities
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| 15:06 | * vagrantc ponders going to extremadura, but can't find much info | |
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| 15:07 | <Burgundavia> let me go hunting for you tonight
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| 15:07 | * vagrantc chuckles | |
| 15:08 | <vagrantc> Burgundavia: i've got an offer to visit a school in extremadura in merida
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| 15:08 | <Burgundavia> very cool
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| 15:08 | <vagrantc> it's around 60 euros round trip by train
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| 15:09 | <Burgundavia> ahh
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| 15:10 | <vagrantc> so living costs would have to offset about 3 nights worth of staying here somehow ...
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| 15:10 | Burgundavia: finally found mercado san felipe again while it was open
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| 15:11 | Burgundavia: passed by it a couple times during siesta having no clue where the hell i was :)
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| 15:11 | <Burgundavia> that is the underground one?
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| 15:12 | <vagrantc> yeah. with the tasty sock-flavoured cheese and excellent olives :)
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| 15:13 | <Burgundavia> right
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| 15:19 | <sbalneav> jammcq: pong
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| 15:19 | <jammcq> hey
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| 15:19 | sbalneav: did you see Gauraldo's comment about the 'elif' in one of the udev scripts?
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| 15:20 | <sbalneav> No, I'll have a look
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| 15:21 | Ah, well, that's for 4.2 yes?
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| 15:21 | <jammcq> yes
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| 15:21 | I'm not convinced it's really a problem
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| 15:22 | seems to me others would have reported this long ago
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| 15:22 | <sbalneav> I haven't got 4.2 set up anywhere, so I'd have to test it to see.
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| 15:22 | <ogra-classmate> hey, seems ubuntu gets a new display configuration tool
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| 15:23 | that should help us a lot
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| 15:23 | <petre> jammcq: what's the symptom he's seeing?
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| 15:23 | I've got 4.2 running at home
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| 15:23 | <ogra-classmate> things not being removed from his desktop as i understood
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| 15:24 | <jammcq> device icons don't remove themselves when you remove the device
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| 15:24 | he claims that 'elif' is not valid syntax in that script
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| 15:24 | I looked at it, it's using bash, and the syntax is definately valid
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| 15:24 | <ogra-classmate> is there a way to change the default shell ?
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| 15:24 | <jammcq> Guaraldo: ping
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| 15:24 | <ogra-classmate> in 4.2
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| 15:25 | <jammcq> ogra-classmate: nope. and the script has: #!/bin/bash
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| 15:25 | at the top
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| 15:25 | <ogra-classmate> weird
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| 15:25 | <vagrantc> does /bin/bash point to something weird?
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| 15:25 | <jammcq> so, the only way it could be different is if someone made /bin/bash be a symlink pointing to something else
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| 15:26 | on standard ltsp-4.2, /bin/bash is a binary
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| 15:26 | <ogra-classmate> yeah, likely
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| 15:26 | <Guaraldo> jammcq: pong
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| 15:26 | <lns> ogra-classmate, FYI just filed a bug for the nautilus/ssh issue here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nautilus/+bug/116902
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| 15:26 | <vagrantc> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 4 2007-03-30 23:01 /bin/bash -> tsch
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| 15:26 | aha!
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| 15:26 | <jammcq> Guaraldo: we're discussing your problem here
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| 15:26 | vagrantc: where's that?
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| 15:26 | <vagrantc> jammcq: in cyberspace
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| 15:26 | <jammcq> btw, that sounds evil
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| 15:26 | <ogra-classmate> lns: thanks ! :)
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| 15:26 | <Guaraldo> Oh!, sory... I'm here now... Let me see the log...
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| 15:27 | <lns> ogra-classmate, no problem at all!
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| 15:28 | <sbalneav> If you've set bash to the tcsh, you'll have lots bigger problems than icons not appearing :)
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| 15:28 | <ogra-classmate> heh
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| 15:28 | i wonder if that would even boot
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| 15:28 | * vagrantc tries | |
| 15:28 | <petre> what distro is Guaraldo using?
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| 15:29 | <ogra-classmate> how much if bash does tcsh support ?
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| 15:29 | *tsch
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| 15:29 | <Guaraldo> petre: Kubuntu
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| 15:29 | <sbalneav> Who filed that bug?
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| 15:29 | <ogra-classmate> and you use ltsp 4.2 ?
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| 15:30 | <petre> bbiab...
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| 15:30 | <Guaraldo> ogra-classmate: Yep... We are about to change it, but not for now...
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| 15:31 | <ogra-classmate> on any ubuntu based distro newer than dapper you should really use ltsp5
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| 15:32 | <petre> on my 4.2-on-fedora/k12ltsp5 & k12ltsp6 systems, there's no such issue, aside from a floppy icon that won't go away
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| 15:32 | so elif works there
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| 15:32 | <ogra-classmate> thats on purpose
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| 15:32 | (the floppy)
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| 15:33 | <Guaraldo> ogra-classmate: we had upgraded to faisty last month...
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| 15:34 | <petre> actually, I commented it out in the 15-ltsp-block.rules
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| 15:34 | <jammcq> ogra-classmate: why should you be using ltsp-5 ? when ltsp-4.2 still provides an awful lot of value?
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| 15:34 | sure we all want to move to ltsp-5
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| 15:34 | <petre> but the Dell laptop's bios supports a hot-swap on the floppy so I can't get rid of it.
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| 15:34 | <jammcq> but let's face it, there's still some issues
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| 15:34 | * petre likes 4.2 | |
| 15:35 | <jammcq> each release gets better and better
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| 15:35 | and that's great
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| 15:35 | <vagrantc> well, when people start having more issues with 4.2 than with ltsp 5, it's probably time to consider switching.
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| 15:35 | <jammcq> sure, when that happens
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| 15:41 | <ogra-classmate> jammcq: solving the issues is a matter of manpower and time ... we're just solving one of these problems :)
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| 15:42 | <jammcq> sure, and some people will step up and help, others have a job to do.
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| 15:42 | <ogra-classmate> and be sure i'll focus on speed as soon as i have ltsp time again so the worst things should be solved before gutsy
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| 15:43 | * jammcq is happy to hear that, and looking forward to the results | |
| 15:43 | <sbalneav> So who's supporting 4.2?
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| 15:43 | <jammcq> sbalneav: all of us
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| 15:44 | <ogra-classmate> jammcq: i guess he means security updates and the like ... stuff that takes time
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| 15:44 | <ogra-classmate> indeed nobody in here will stop to support 4.2 users
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| 15:48 | <Paul_UK> hey guys, i know, commonly asked question. can ltsp share windows applications?
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| 15:49 | <jammcq> LTSP is for running Linux applications. Certainly there's methods of running windows apps, via wine, vmware, rdesktop...
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| 15:49 | but what level of "sharing" are you talking about?
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| 15:50 | <Paul_UK> jammcq, outlook, office, etc
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| 15:50 | <jammcq> LTSP can run wine, vmware and others. if you want to run your windows apps through that, that's up to you
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| 15:50 | it's not an LTSP issue
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| 15:53 | <Paul_UK> so if say, i managed to get ltsp up and running, using wine, get outlook running on the server, then i could share the wine app to my thinclient users?
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| 15:53 | <jammcq> yes. but.... don't forget about licensing
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| 15:53 | <vagrantc> Paul_UK: there's not really much difference between running on a thin client or running on a stand alone machine.
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| 15:54 | <Paul_UK> vagrantc, there is, when you think about hotdesking with windows and outlook and the administration
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| 15:54 | <vagrantc> Paul_UK: "hotdesking" ?
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| 15:54 | <Paul_UK> move from 1 machine to another
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| 15:55 | either next to them, down the corridor or another floor
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| 15:55 | <vagrantc> if you can do it on a standalone linux machine, you can probably do it on a linux thin client.
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| 15:55 | <Paul_UK> yeah i know that hehe
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| 15:55 | <vagrantc> that's all i was saying.
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| 15:55 | <Paul_UK> ah k, probably missed your point then. well im yet to get office 2003 working under wine.
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| 15:56 | <jammcq> is office2003 on the list of things known to work under wine?
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| 15:57 | <ogra-classmate> codeweavers supports it i think
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| 15:58 | <Paul_UK> ogra-classmate: unfortunately, codeweavers only supports office2000 only, never got 2003 to work
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| 15:58 | <ogra-classmate> ah
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| 15:58 | <jammcq> if codeweavers only goes up to 2000, I sure wouldn't expect wine to support 2003
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| 15:58 | <ogra-classmate> right
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| 15:58 | <jammcq> since the bulk of the work is done by Codeweavers
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| 16:11 | <Paul_UK> has anyone integrated ltsp with centos 5?
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| 16:14 | <gtest> hello, how can I set my computer a X server'
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| 19:15 | <sahil> does anyone have any experience making the eway tu-40 clients boot?
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| 19:57 | <petre> evening all
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| 20:01 | <pablo_> hi! how can i install lstp on ubuntu 7.04?
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| 20:03 | UbuntuLTSP/LTSPQuickInstall linked from ltsp doc says :sudo apt-get install ltsp-server-standalone openssh-server
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| 20:03 | sudo ltsp-build-client
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| 20:05 | anyone has followed this instructions?
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| 20:17 | <jammcq> hey kidz
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| 20:17 | <lns> pablo_, the quickinstall guide should be fairly complete
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| 20:18 | are you having issues with the install?
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| 20:18 | what's up jammcq
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| 20:18 | <sahil> hi jammcq, do you know anything about the eway tu-40 clients?
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| 20:19 | <pablo_> lns: at first i have a dhcp issue but its ok now . now im doing sudo ltsp-build-client
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| 20:19 | <lns> ok
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| 20:19 | that takes a while
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| 20:19 | <pablo_> lns: yes
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| 20:19 | <lns> i've had issues while it runs its scripts, but they are specific
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| 20:21 | are you having issues?
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| 20:21 | <sahil> lns: i am having issues hardcore
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| 20:21 | lns
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| 20:21 | you know anything about getting x to work for sis550?
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| 20:22 | <lns> hehe
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| 20:22 | sahil, can you give some more information?
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| 20:22 | <sahil> well i think the closest ive gotten is getting my monitor to say its out of range
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| 20:22 | <lns> ltsp version?
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| 20:22 | <sahil> ive tried everything i can think of in lts.conf
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| 20:22 | 4.2
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| 20:23 | i have a document that came with the clients that say how to set up x i can send over real quick
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| 20:23 | <lns> well
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| 20:23 | do the thin clints boot into their own environment without pxe/etherboot?
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| 20:23 | like a flash image
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| 20:23 | <sahil> no
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| 20:23 | <lns> ok
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| 20:24 | <lns> are you booting via pxe or etherboot
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| 20:24 | <sahil> pxe
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| 20:24 | <lns> ok
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| 20:25 | have you done the obvious in lts.conf? such as XSERVER = sis
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| 20:25 | <sahil> yes
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| 20:25 | <lns> what distro are you using?
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| 20:25 | <sahil> gentoo
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| 20:25 | i even tried vesa
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| 20:25 | <lns> hmm
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| 20:25 | <sahil> that doc might shed some light
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| 20:25 | <lns> i'm only versed (and just a little at that) with ubuntu setups
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| 20:25 | not sure how gentoo does it
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| 20:26 | <sahil> i think its saying to use sisfb and then change the xserver to use the fb
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| 20:26 | <lns> did you try that?
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| 20:26 | even w/4.2, afaik it should detect sis chipsets fairly easily
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| 20:26 | but i might be wrong
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| 20:26 | <sahil> yeah thats what i was thinking
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| 20:26 | <lns> i've only done 2 complete lab setups before
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| 20:26 | sorry i'm not much more help
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| 20:27 | <sahil> its the thought that counts
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| 20:27 | <lns> =p
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| 20:27 | have you considered going to meukow?
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| 20:27 | i know that fixed a *$#@load of problems for me
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| 20:27 | <sahil> i have, thing is i love gentoo too much
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| 20:27 | <lns> even with video detection
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| 20:27 | haha
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| 20:27 | i know your kind
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| 20:28 | they don't have an ebuild of ltsp5?
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| 20:28 | i'm surprised
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| 20:28 | that's kinda their whole thing, being able to stay on top because its so easy to port source to their distro
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| 20:30 | <sahil> Option "UseFBDev" "true"
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| 20:30 | how would i get that in lts.conf?
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| 20:31 | i think i need X to do that
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| 20:32 | <pablo_> lns: its done, but now i booted a client, but it doestn show a gdm login sscreen, instead itss all black
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| 20:33 | <lns> pablo_, i've had that happen w/4.2 in ubuntu as well
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| 20:34 | i upgraded to 5.0 and it fixed it
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| 20:34 | with a via chipset though not sis
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| 20:37 | pablo_, have you seen http://www.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LtsConf ?
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| 20:39 | as far as i can tell sis should be pretty much autodetected
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| 20:43 | <pablo_> lns: ill take a look at it
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| 20:44 | lns: the mobo of the ltsp server is an intel d865gbf
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| 20:44 | <lns> shouldn't make a diff
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| 20:45 | as long as your storage and network adapter are seen you don't need much for the serverside
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| 20:45 | and all your mem (if over 4gb)
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