IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.libera.chat (webchat)
Channel log from 13 February 2007 (all times are UTC)
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| 01:18 | <CapRiCoRN^80> hi ! i have setup ltsp on k12ltsp distribution and got dell thin client systems
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| 01:18 | how can i enable sound on them ??????????
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| 01:25 | <CapRiCoRN^80> hi ! i have setup ltsp on k12ltsp distribution and got dell thin client systems
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| 01:25 | how can i enable sound on them ??????????
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| 01:26 | <kaos01> im just looking at similar thing, i was just reading http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/8165
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| 01:27 | but im stuck at the fact that i have LOCAL_APPS = Y but /home is not mounted and NIS isnt seem to be running
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| 01:30 | by yhe looks of things firstly you need to get ssh to the workstations working
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| 01:31 | <dan__t> I think that's my project for tomorrow, too :)
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| 01:34 | <CapRiCoRN^80> i simply want to enable sound on my thin client stations
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| 01:35 | <kaos01> CapRiCoRN, no such thing as simply :) first the application has to be running on the client
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| 01:35 | without the ssh thingy your application is running on the server ... hence sound is usless
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| 01:36 | thats my understanding, but i might be wrong
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| 01:38 | <CapRiCoRN^80> http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/Sound#Sound_on_LTSP_Terminals .. according to this doc u can run sound on server n then send it to thin clients
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| 01:38 | but i want to setup it locally
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| 01:38 | on each client
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| 01:45 | <kaos01> is there a root password on the workstations ?
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| 01:46 | <CapRiCoRN^80> no
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| 01:46 | <kaos01> mmm, so i cant do ssh root@ws01
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| 01:53 | <chupacabra> think about it
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| 01:53 | you should be logged on as some user
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| 01:54 | <chupacabra> and why would you want to ssh out to there?
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| 01:54 | i never understand that
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| 01:58 | <kaos01> isnt ssh ing out there how one runs local apps ?
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| 02:12 | <chupacabra> lol
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| 02:12 | <CapRiCoRN^80> anyone help me regarding sound
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| 02:12 | <chupacabra> you read the sound stuff.
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| 02:13 | im not hot with it
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| 02:13 | always wondered why.
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| 02:13 | work does not need sound
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| 02:13 | mostly
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| 02:18 | <CapRiCoRN^80> well my clients want it
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| 02:18 | so i have to configure sound
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| 02:20 | <chupacabra> oic
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| 02:20 | the docs are supposed to be good
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| 02:22 | <CapRiCoRN^80> this one http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/Sound#Sound_on_LTSP_Terminals
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| 02:22 | its just ok
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| 02:22 | if u got any other . plz refer me
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| 02:30 | <chupacabra> na bedtime
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| 02:32 | <CapRiCoRN^80> ok . any one else is there ?
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| 02:50 | <Shingoshi> does ltsp work with wireless?
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| 03:00 | <CapRiCoRN^80> well i wish some one reply here
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| 03:02 | <Shingoshi> Maybe I should ask if pxe is on wireless cards?
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| 03:38 | <Shingoshi> I just found Pyramid Linux. It's supposed to be Ubuntu based. Being that LTSP is Ubuntu now, how much work to get LTSP on Pyramid? Pyramid Linux is a Wireless based system.
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| 03:43 | <slipttees> hi all
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| 03:45 | somewhere can help me about ltsp.4.2+fuse+debian sarge+kerne 2.4.27-2
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| 03:46 | ltsp and fuse work only kernel 2.6 ?
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| 03:47 | helloooo, somebooodyyy =]
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| 03:49 | ='[
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| 03:59 | <ogra> yes
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| 04:00 | fuse works with 2.6 ... in ubuntu th emodule is included in the default kernel ... in debian you need to compile th emodule yourself afaik
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| 04:01 | <slipttees> or
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| 04:01 | install kernel better 2.6.1 ;)
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| 04:19 | <Shingoshi> Has anyone answered my question?
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| 04:22 | Pyramid uses 2.6.19.2
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| 04:22 | ogra: Hi!
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| 04:25 | <CapRiCoRN^80> hi ! i have setup ltsp on k12ltsp distribution and got dell thin client systems
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| 04:25 | so i have to configure sound on thin clients
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| 04:25 | how can i do that ?
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| 04:25 | <ogra> Shingoshi, wlan cards have no netboot capability ... there is a very old image on the ltsp wiki that supports a very limited set of cards ...
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| 04:26 | <Shingoshi> Is this because of the security issues?
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| 04:27 | What would it take to compile my own kernel with this support?
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| 04:27 | <ogra> no this is because wlan cards have no such things like PXE or etherboot ....
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| 04:27 | apart from that you need essid and keys etc etc ...
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| 04:28 | the only option is to boot a full OS on the client, enable the wlan and connect and then boot
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| 04:28 | but that gets tricks with 2.6 ernels that dnt fit on a floppy ...
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| 04:28 | *tricky
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| 04:28 | <Shingoshi> Ok. So each node will need a drive with a minimal boot image to attach to the Terminal Server? But then the applications can still be served from it, right?
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| 04:29 | <ogra> so you need a local disk running your kickoff OS ... which then connects to an AP
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| 04:29 | but thats not ltsp at all
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| 04:29 | right ... if you boot a local OS and connect to the server it will behave similar
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| 04:30 | <Shingoshi> I thought LTSP was more than just the boot system, but also included the localization of apps on ONE machine?
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| 04:31 | <sepski> Shingoshi, that's just regular X, been around since X was invented
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| 04:31 | <Shingoshi> The manner of boot is irrelevant for me. I just want the single point of apps.
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| 04:32 | So then I don't need LTSP?
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| 04:33 | <sepski> true.
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| 04:33 | <Shingoshi> I'm confused. X will serve a network with apps which run on the Terminal Server
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| 04:34 | So LTSP IS just the boot process?
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| 04:36 | <sepski> hard to define tho, but i'd think ltsp is the tools and processes needed to build and netboot from a chroot, configure the clients while booting, and connecting them to a X11 server to get the desktop.
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| 04:37 | <Shingoshi> Explain for me. If I have each node running a minimal boot image, the apps won't run locally on each node, but on the server?
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| 04:37 | <CapRiCoRN^80> listen i want to enable local sound cards
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| 04:37 | help me in that plz
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| 04:38 | <Shingoshi> CapRiCoRN^80: I have no experience here. But I would think the kernel sent to each node must have the support built into it.
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| 04:39 | <ogra> Shingoshi, ltsp is more than the bootsystem ... thats why your solution isnt ltsp ...
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| 04:39 | ltsp is an integrated set of booting and terminal services ... if you cut off one of these its not ltsp anymore ...
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| 04:39 | <Shingoshi> It would be simpler to have all nodes with the same sound solution. But I may be wrong.
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| 04:40 | <ogra> all *you* want is X forwarding to a local OS
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| 04:40 | <Shingoshi> So what's the least that I need for Terminal Services>
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| 04:40 | ok^
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| 04:40 | How do I do that?
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| 04:41 | I want the smallest boot image possible.
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| 04:41 | <sepski> Shingoshi, you could look at something like the thinstation
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| 04:42 | <Shingoshi> Can the node boot just enough to go wireless, and then continue the remaing process in the typical manner?
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| 04:42 | <ogra> sure, you just need to build such a system
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| 04:43 | <Shingoshi> It seems kind of like a runlevel issue.
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| 04:43 | <ogra> ??
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| 04:43 | you need to build a kernel that supports things like essid and key as commandline options if you want the smallest OS possible ...
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| 04:43 | <Shingoshi> init 1: boot node. init3: boot node from server.
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| 04:43 | <sepski> Shingoshi, if you need a disk/flash on the node to boot the kernel from, you can just as well put the Xserver there too, to save you the hassle
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| 04:44 | <ogra> if you cant do that, run something like a complete knoppix locally and modify it to connect to the AP
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| 04:44 | <Shingoshi> ok. So the Xserver goes on the node. Would that be it?
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| 04:45 | <ogra> you need X, and the kernel ...
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| 04:45 | <Shingoshi> Forgive me... AP?
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| 04:45 | <ogra> access point
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| 04:45 | <Shingoshi> Thank you!
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| 04:46 | So I will have only one AP for all of the combined nodes?
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| 04:46 | <ogra> you can set up different ones but then you need multiple setups indeed
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| 04:46 | in any case it wont be fun to maintain
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| 04:47 | <Shingoshi> I guess this eliminates one of my other issues. Each node can have openmosix to boot into the AP.
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| 04:47 | <ogra> you cant maintain it centralized like ltsp ...
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| 04:47 | <Shingoshi> I don't want any apps on any node.
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| 04:48 | Why can't I download a second stage image from the AP to keep all nodes equal?
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| 04:49 | Let me give you an example.
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| 04:49 | Freebsd has or had two stages to boot their systems.
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| 04:50 | One was the kernel image, Two was the boot image.
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| 04:50 | Something like that. It's been a very long time since I used FBSD
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| 04:50 | I think what I meant was the boot image, and the mfs? image.
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| 04:51 | Essentially, the node has it's pxe on disk.
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| 04:52 | ogra: ^
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| 04:53 | <ogra> from the AP ?
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| 04:53 | <Shingoshi> ogra: I still have your email. I could just write you instead.
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| 04:53 | <ogra> well, you need a big AP for that and need to hack into proprietary stuff then :)
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| 04:54 | <Shingoshi> ok?
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| 04:54 | <ogra> sure
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| 04:54 | <Shingoshi> ok!
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| 05:20 | <krinns> i have done ltsp on ubuntu
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| 05:20 | its not creating home dir in /home for that user
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| 05:20 | any idea
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| 05:40 | <ogra> krinns, can you elaborate a bit ?
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| 05:40 | ltsp isnt responsible for creating users
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| 05:40 | <CapRiCoRN^80> ogra: to whom i should refer my problem
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| 05:40 | about sound
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| 05:41 | <krinns> well i have ltsp +ldap
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| 05:41 | all users i create in ldap nad my ubuntu is ldap client
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| 05:41 | <ogra> CapRiCoRN^80, usually it should work if you set SOUND=True in your lts.conf file
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| 05:41 | <Shingoshi> ogra: I just sent the email to you at your ubuntu address.
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| 05:41 | <krinns> then i intall ltsp4.2
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| 05:41 | all good
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| 05:41 | <ogra> Shingoshi, thanks
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| 05:42 | <Shingoshi> I hope I make sense!
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| 05:42 | <krinns> but in /home that user whos loging to ltsp server 1 time his home dir is not automatically created
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| 05:42 | any idea why
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| 05:42 | <ogra> krinns, why didnt you use ltsp5 if you use ubuntu ?
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| 05:43 | <krinns> well printer issues with ltsp5
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| 05:43 | <ogra> ???
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| 05:43 | * ogra prints every day with ltsp5 | |
| 05:43 | <krinns> i have dot patrix and laser printers
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| 05:43 | <CapRiCoRN^80> i have done SOUND = Y
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| 05:43 | <krinns> oh sorry am talking abt lts5 that comes witrh ubuntu
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| 05:44 | <ogra> CapRiCoRN^80, that should work, i have no idea how k12 implements that, i'm only working on ltsp5
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| 05:44 | krinns, ah
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| 05:44 | <krinns> r u on ubuntu ltsp of u get from ltsp website
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| 05:44 | <ogra> krinns, well, i'd check my pam setup if i were you ... does it create homedirs at any time ?
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| 05:44 | <krinns> i wont fong ltsp5 iso there
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| 05:45 | <CapRiCoRN^80> which distro u r using ?
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| 05:45 | <Shingoshi> How do you guys get that blue star I see when you speak in third person. ie. ogra prints every day with ltsp5
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| 05:45 | <krinns> no all i need to have create it manually
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| 05:45 | <ogra> krinns, ltsp5 is supposed to be implemented by the distros ... so its hard to provide an iso for it
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| 05:45 | <krinns> but suse10.1 it was done automaticallyy
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| 05:47 | <ogra> http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/ltsp-tarballs/ltsp-tarball-20060211.tgz would be one ... but indeed that gives you an ubuntu client
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| 05:47 | suse 10 doesnt have ltsp5
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| 05:48 | and seems not to be intrested in implementing it yet
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| 05:49 | <krinns> suse10.1 +lts4.2
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| 05:50 | its ltsp 5 right
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| 05:50 | <ogra> no, ltsp5 is the new implementation
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| 05:50 | <krinns> and u r saying it supports printers and scanner attatched with thinclients
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| 05:51 | <ogra> printers yes ... i never tested scaners
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| 05:51 | but since sane just uses an environment variable to pick up a scanner it should work as well
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| 05:51 | <Shingoshi> ogra: What was that tarball for? I just downloaded it. Is it a complete LTSP installation?
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| 05:51 | <ogra> Shingoshi, thats the edgy ltsp chroot .... you still need to set up the server by hand
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| 05:52 | its only the client environment ...
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| 05:52 | if you use ubuntu or debian i'D not suggest to use it at all
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| 05:52 | but rather use the ltsp-server-standalone packag and run ltsp-build-client
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| 05:53 | <Shingoshi> So I would install that on the machine to provide images to the clients?
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| 05:53 | <ogra> ight
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| 05:53 | but you still need to set up dhcp, nfs and tftp
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| 05:53 | <Shingoshi> So could I install it on my Slackware box?
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| 05:53 | <ogra> thats why i'm saying to use the ltsp-server package, it does that for you
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| 05:53 | should work, yes
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| 05:54 | <Shingoshi> And is this the ltsp5 version?
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| 05:55 | ogra: ^
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| 05:56 | <ogra> yep
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| 05:56 | but the one from ubuntu indeed
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| 05:56 | <Shingoshi> Great!
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| 05:57 | <ogra> i.e. it will have an ubuntu bootsplash, and ubuntu logo on the login manager
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| 05:57 | but indeed gives you all the advantages of ltsp5
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| 05:57 | <Shingoshi> Have you heard of Pyramid Linux before? It's supposed to be from Pebble Linux, and now Ubuntu based.
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| 05:57 | <ogra> i heard of pebble ...
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| 05:57 | but not from pyramid yet
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| 05:58 | <Shingoshi> http://pyramid.metrix.net
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| 05:59 | I think I will install your tarball on Pyramid when I build this new system today. Being that it is Ubuntu, it should simplify things.
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| 06:00 | <ogra> well if it is ubuntu, you really should use the howto on https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPQuickInstall
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| 06:00 | <cliebow> get the kernel too..
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| 06:01 | <ogra> cliebow, the kernel is in the tarball, you just need to copy it to the tftp dir ;)
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| 06:01 | <cliebow> you are the Man
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| 06:02 | <Shingoshi> You just answered the next question I was going to ask you. So I untar this into /tftp?
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| 06:02 | <ogra> no
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| 06:03 | <Shingoshi> oh?
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| 06:03 | <ogra> really, if you have an ubuntu based system *DONT* use the tarball
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| 06:03 | follow the howto above
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| 06:03 | <Shingoshi> I better check and see if I have tftp installed.
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| 06:03 | <ogra> no, use the ltsp-server-standalone package please
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| 06:04 | it setus up everything for you ...
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| 06:04 | <Shingoshi> ok!
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| 06:05 | When I get this, does it go into it's own directory, or / ?
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| 06:05 | <ogra> it goes into /opt
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| 06:05 | <Shingoshi> oh. ok!
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| 06:05 | <ogra> and sets up the environment below ...
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| 06:05 | <Shingoshi> Good.
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| 06:05 | <ogra> same path as all ltsp versions used
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| 06:05 | <Shingoshi> Did you get my email?
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| 06:06 | <ogra> but you dont have to care, ltsp-build-client does everything
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| 06:06 | <Shingoshi> Never used one before.
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| 06:06 | That's the command?
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| 06:07 | Do you have a direct link to get the ltsp-server-standalone?
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| 06:07 | package?
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| 06:07 | <ogra> as i told you before, there in no properly integrated openmoxis for 2.6 kernels ...
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| 06:08 | ^^^ wrt your mail
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| 06:08 | <Shingoshi> Yes. email.
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| 06:08 | <ogra> Shingoshi, see the howto ...
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| 06:08 | <Shingoshi> ok.
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| 06:08 | <ogra> ltsp-build-client is essentially ltsp5 ....
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| 06:08 | its a script
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| 06:10 | <Shingoshi> Based on what I am reading, I am better off just to install edubuntu!
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| 06:10 | Default install.
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| 06:10 | Sounds nice!
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| 06:12 | <cliebow> it is!
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| 06:13 | <ogra> yep
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| 06:14 | <Shingoshi> Have you worked with the edubuntu distro?
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| 06:14 | <ogra> i build it :)
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| 06:14 | its the reference implementation for ltsp5 ;)
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| 06:14 | <Shingoshi> You the MAN!!!! lol LOL LOL LOL
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| 06:15 | <cliebow> krinns:write a litle script that cp /etc/skel to /home/user...chown and chmod
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| 06:15 | <krinns> how can u guide me
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| 06:15 | <cliebow> mmm...cp e/etc/kel /home/krinns
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| 06:15 | <Shingoshi> If you build it, they will come!
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| 06:16 | ogra: If you build it, they will come!
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| 06:16 | <ogra> cliebow, well, pam has an option to create homedirs ... it should just work if you configure it right ...
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| 06:16 | <cliebow> chown -R krinns: /home/krinnns
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| 06:16 | <krinns> its a single line script
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| 06:16 | ok
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| 06:16 | <Shingoshi> What else could be a bigger field of dreams?
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| 06:16 | <cliebow> yeah that too pam_mkhomedir
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| 06:16 | <krinns> true
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| 06:16 | i got it
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| 06:17 | <cliebow> hchmod 700 /home/krinns
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| 06:17 | <Shingoshi> me^
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| 06:17 | <krinns> i do it in /etc/pamd/login
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| 06:17 | <ogra> it needs some setup in /etc/pam.d ....
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| 06:17 | <krinns> right
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| 06:17 | true
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| 06:17 | thanks man
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| 06:17 | <ogra> login only applies to the login command
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| 06:17 | <cliebow> my adduserscritp for ubuntu creates the user and makes homedir
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| 06:17 | <ogra> you need to add it to the gdm file
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| 06:17 | <krinns> one more thing
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| 06:18 | <ogra> /etc/pam.d/gdm or some such
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| 06:18 | <krinns> oh i wont understand
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| 06:18 | <Shingoshi> ogra: I've been to the mountain top. And there I met you!!! LOL LOL LOL LOL!
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| 06:18 | <krinns> i craete a script
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| 06:19 | <cliebow> Shingoshi:problem is this is a polytheistic universe
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| 06:19 | <ogra> Shingoshi, :)
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| 06:19 | <cliebow> sort of the titans and mt Olympus thing
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| 06:20 | Shingoshi, testing
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| 06:20 | <Shingoshi> I just can't stop laughing!!!
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| 06:20 | <cliebow> guess the comma works too..
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| 06:21 | <ogra> krinns, adding pam_mkhomedir to /etc/pam.d/login doesnt work in gdm logins, you need to add it to /etc/pam.d/gdm
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| 06:21 | that should solve your problem ...
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| 06:21 | <cliebow> one Sun morning five years ago i asked on #ltsp. jammcq answered..i said familiar with ltsp?? he said Yeap i wrote it...dEAD silence for a minute 8`)
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| 06:26 | <ogra> heh
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| 06:28 | <Shingoshi> I'm downloading edgy dvd for 64bit. I will also get x86 on cd. Unless?
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| 06:29 | <ogra> no
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| 06:29 | its plain 64bit
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| 06:29 | including ltsp ...
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| 06:30 | <Shingoshi> I have a hot swap in this server, with the dvd. Can I install from the x86 dvd onto the hot swap drive?
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| 06:30 | I stopped in midthought. Sorry.
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| 06:30 | <ogra> sure
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| 06:30 | <Shingoshi> Your confusion is my fault.
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| 06:30 | * ogra doesnt feel confused | |
| 06:32 | <Shingoshi> The machine I am building today has no dvd. But this machine does. I could install the dvd image directly onto the drive in the hot swap bay, right?
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| 06:32 | <ogra> yes
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| 06:32 | <Shingoshi> ogra: How do you start out with your name starting the line as you did above.
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| 06:32 | <ogra> just make sure to install grub on the drive
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| 06:33 | /me says blah
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| 06:33 | * ogra says blah | |
| 06:33 | <ogra> :)
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| 06:33 | <Shingoshi> OH!
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| 06:33 | * Shingoshi says thanks! | |
| 06:33 | <ogra> :)
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| 06:34 | * Shingoshi I am such an old fart! | |
| 06:35 | <ogra> how old ?
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| 06:35 | <Shingoshi> When I brought this system's components last year, I brought the wrong memory. So now I have ordered a new board just for the memory.
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| 06:35 | * Shingoshi is 51 in August! | |
| 06:36 | <Shingoshi> OLD!!!
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| 06:36 | * Shingoshi is a GRANPA! | |
| 06:37 | <Shingoshi> Will you be more merciful with me now? LOL LOL LOL
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| 06:37 | <krinns> sure
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| 06:38 | on more thing i have a finger scanner on thin client
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| 06:38 | <Shingoshi> ogra: What? Are you in such a state of shock, that you can't find the words to answer?
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| 06:38 | <krinns> its not a well knows things its a script written by some one with search for thumb scanner on local machine
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| 06:38 | any idea how thinclient can detetct this
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| 06:39 | <ogra> Shingoshi, i have 15 channels open on two servers and about 20 private talks as well ... i'm not following a single one all the time ;)
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| 06:40 | krinns, the thin client shouldnt have a problem to detect it locally ... but you surely need communication with the desktop session running on the server ... that will need some scripting ...
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| 06:43 | <Shingoshi> ok. Kind of like GOD!
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| 06:43 | I said I went to the mountaintop!
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| 06:43 | ogra: I said I went to the mountaintop!
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| 06:45 | <ogra> heh
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| 06:45 | <Shingoshi> If I don't stop laughing so hard, I'm going to really die and meet you in person.
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| 06:45 | * ogra gets 37 on friday btw | |
| 06:45 | <Shingoshi> You, being on multiple sessions
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| 06:45 | ok. Kind of like GOD!
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| 06:46 | <ogra> i suspect a GOD would be able to handle more than just 35 chatwindows :)
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| 06:46 | <Shingoshi> Yeah. But it was worth the laugh!
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| 06:51 | <Capricorn^800> any sound expert there ?
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| 07:44 | <jammcq> g'morning
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| 07:47 | <CapRiCoRN^80> good evening
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| 07:47 | nice to hear from someone
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| 07:48 | <Shingoshi> ogra: HAPPPY BIRTHDAY!!!
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| 07:49 | <ogra> Shingoshi, hey on friday ... not today
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| 07:50 | <Shingoshi> SO! God lives forever. I may not. So HAPPY BIRTHDAY!!! lol lol LOL
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| 07:51 | <CapRiCoRN^80> HAPPY BIRTHDAY from my side too :P
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| 07:51 | <jammcq> let's just call it "Ogra's Birthday Week"
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| 07:51 | <sepski> hmm... can i have a birthday year ?
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| 07:51 | <ogra> heh
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| 07:52 | <sepski> :)
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| 07:55 | <Shingoshi> sepski: Are you asking his age? 37
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| 07:55 | <ogra> 1970 ...
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| 07:56 | but i think he wanted a year for himself instead of only a week ... sou you could party 356days :)
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| 07:56 | <sepski> Shingoshi, no..
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| 07:56 | ogra, indeed :)
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| 07:56 | it was a poor attempth at humor
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| 08:06 | <Shingoshi> ogra: You could be 51!
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| 08:07 | The scary thing is I don't know why I don't have a 37 year old kid. Seriously!
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| 08:07 | * Shingoshi was very bad! | |
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| 08:11 | <rjune> jammcq: you around?
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| 08:11 | <jammcq> yep
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| 08:11 | <rjune> I'm trying to setup a postfix based spam proxy
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| 08:11 | <jammcq> heh
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| 08:12 | I barely know enough about postfix to make it work for myself
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| 08:12 | <sepski> rjune, is it not wiser to ask in #postfix ?
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| 08:12 | <rjune> sepski: perhaps, but Jim's done it before
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| 08:12 | and he and I go back a bit.
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| 08:13 | <jammcq> well, ask your question, maybe I can help
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| 08:13 | <rjune> when I go to setup the domain, it has to be a virtual domain, right? or do I not have to set up a domain at all?
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| 08:14 | same config as backup mailserver
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| 08:15 | <jammcq> umm
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| 08:15 | for postfix to accept any email, I think the domain has to match
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| 08:16 | <sepski> i use a transport map for those
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| 08:16 | <jammcq> postfix will accept incoming mail for any domains listed in 'mydestination'
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| 08:17 | if it's not listed there, I think it'll either reject the mail, or try to forward it to somewhere else, if relaying is allowed
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| 08:17 | <sepski> and you can choose if you want to use a recipient list, but personaly i just use the verify_recipient system in postfix. to not have to keep a list of valid recipients
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| 08:18 | <rjune> k
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| 08:31 | <joebaker> ltsp5 printing to parallel port: I have:
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| 08:31 | PRINTER_0_DEVICE=/dev/lp0
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| 08:31 | PRINTER_0_DEVICE=p
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| 08:31 | But it's not working. (I'll try a capital P)
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| 08:31 | <ogra> your prointer device is called p ?
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| 08:31 | *printer
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| 08:32 | just drop the second line ;)
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| 08:32 | <joebaker> Oh, I see. Should be PRINTER_0_TYPE=P
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| 08:32 | <ogra> which is uneeded
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| 08:32 | <joebaker> No it didn't work with just the first line either.
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| 08:32 | But I'll gladly try again.
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| 08:32 | <ogra> ltsp5 is capable of guessing the type by the used device
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| 08:33 | <joebaker> Cool
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| 08:33 | <ogra> so all you need is: PRINTER_0_DEVICE=/dev/lp0
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| 08:33 | <rjune> GodFather: hey!
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| 08:33 | <ogra> or PRINTER_0_DEVICE=/dev/usblp0 for usb printers :)
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| 08:33 | <joebaker> Then it should be accessable via ltsp_ip_address:9100
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| 08:33 | <Capricorn^800> anyone help me in sound settings ?
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| 08:34 | <ogra> if you mean ltsp_ip_address == client_ip_address, yes :)
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| 08:34 | <joebaker> Thanks Ogra!
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| 08:34 | <petre> Capricorn^800: what's your problem?
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| 08:35 | <Capricorn^800> i want to setup sound on thin clients
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| 08:35 | <petre> what version of ltsp and which distro?
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| 08:35 | <Capricorn^800> first i have some confusion
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| 08:36 | can i do it locally on each thin client not server ?
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| 08:36 | 4.2 .. k12ltsp
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| 08:36 | <petre> have sound on the clients, not the server? yes
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| 08:36 | you don't even need a sound card in the server
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| 08:37 | <Capricorn^800> ok
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| 08:37 | how can i do that ?
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| 08:38 | <petre> edit /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf
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| 08:38 | <Capricorn^800> ok
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| 08:38 | well i did SOUND = Y
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| 08:38 | <petre> uncomment 'SOUND_DAEMON = "esd"' line
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| 08:38 | <Capricorn^800> yea did this too
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| 08:38 | next ?
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| 08:39 | <petre> what kind of sound cards are in your clients?
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| 08:39 | ISA or PCI based?
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| 08:39 | <Capricorn^800> i think ISA
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| 08:39 | <petre> or built-in?
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| 08:39 | <Capricorn^800> coz systems are p-II
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| 08:40 | <petre> if ISA, you need to uncomment the SMODULE_01 line
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| 08:40 | SMODULE_01 = "sb io=0x220 irq=5 dma=1"
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| 08:40 | <Capricorn^800> then are built -in
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| 08:41 | <petre> hmm, I think built-ins are PCI, even on PII
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| 08:41 | do this
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| 08:41 | in lts.conf, uncomment the line
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| 08:41 | <Capricorn^800> this : <petre> SMODULE_01 = "sb io=0x220 irq=5 dma=1"
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| 08:42 | <petre> SCREEN_02 = shell
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| 08:42 | <Capricorn^800> ok done
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| 08:42 | <petre> yes, the SMODULE line is for specifying sound modules as necessary, but let's wait on that yet
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| 08:43 | after turning on SCREEN_02, reboot the client
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| 08:43 | <Capricorn^800> i uncomment the line SMODULE_01 = "sb io=0x220 irq=5 dma=1" and screen = shell
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| 08:43 | <petre> when it's at the login screen, press Ctl-Alt-F2 and you'll get a command prompt
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| 08:43 | <Capricorn^800> petre: do fully help me in this :)
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| 08:43 | yes i there
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| 08:44 | yes i amd there
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| 08:44 | yes i am there
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| 08:44 | <petre> type lspci and see if it lists a sound card
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| 08:45 | <Capricorn^800> i can see few devices
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| 08:46 | like ISA bridge , pci bridge
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| 08:46 | <petre> anything that looks like a sound card...sb something or other (sb is often short for sound blaster)
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| 08:47 | <Capricorn^800> no
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| 08:48 | <petre> perhaps it is ISA
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| 08:48 | can you boot a knoppix disk on the client?
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| 08:49 | It's kinda roundabout method, but it has worked for me
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| 08:49 | <Capricorn^800> wait . i have to search that . i hope i will found it
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| 08:49 | <Shingoshi> ogra: Can I put all of the sources for everything into the same directory and compile them together? Or can I compile them separately and then put them all into them same directory to install all of them at the same time?
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| 08:50 | <petre> Knoppix has great hardwaare detection, so use that to get the sound cards config
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| 08:50 | then use those settings in lts.conf
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| 08:51 | <jkommeri> Capricorn^800: do you know the type of your motherboard?
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| 08:51 | <Capricorn^800> should i insert that knoppix cd in thin client ?
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| 08:51 | <ogra> Shingoshi, what do you want to cimpile ?
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| 08:51 | <petre> yes, just as a way to find out the sound card settings
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| 08:52 | there's probably a better way to do this, but has worked for me several times
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| 08:52 | <Capricorn^800> well i got knoppix-GIS cd n i have insert it
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| 08:53 | <petre> brb, gotta take my son out to the bus stop...
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| 08:53 | <Capricorn^800> petre: i got 64 MB ram on thin client n it giving me error
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| 08:54 | <Shingoshi> I want to put everything that is required for ltsp together in a single package. I want to compile all of the sources as a single file. I know that I can use autoscan to recreate a configure script. But I have never done this with multiple sources combined into a single package source tree.
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| 08:54 | <Capricorn^800> jkommeri: Intel
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| 08:54 | <Shingoshi> ogra: I want to put everything that is required for ltsp together in a single package. I want to compile all of the sources as a single file. I know that I can use autoscan to recreate a configure script. But I have never done this with multiple sources combined into a single package source tree.
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| 08:54 | <Capricorn^800> i have dell optiflex G1 p-II systems
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| 08:54 | <ogra> define "everything that is required for ltsp"
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| 08:55 | to have a client chroot or to set up the server pieces ?
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| 08:55 | <Shingoshi> All dependencies.
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| 08:55 | <Capricorn^800> petre: wat should i do ?
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| 08:55 | <ogra> Shingoshi, for the client side thats what ltsp-build-client does
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| 08:56 | https://launchpad.net/~ogra/+branch/ltsp/feisty-ltsp is the source tree for ltsp5
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| 08:56 | <Shingoshi> What about the server though?
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| 08:56 | <ogra> on the server side the ltsp-server and ltsp-server-standalone packages do whats needed
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| 08:56 | its all in the source
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| 08:57 | <Shingoshi> Is dash in the source as well? etc..
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| 08:57 | <ogra> just pull a branch of it and have a look
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| 08:57 | <Capricorn^800> petre: u there ?
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| 08:57 | <ogra> Shingoshi, no, thats something thats defined by the distros boostrap mechanism ...
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| 08:58 | (debootsrap in ubuntu/debian or anaconda in redhat ...)
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| 08:58 | dunno how the other tools for other distros are called
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| 08:58 | <bricode> ogra: What's the current state of that fat clients workstation script?
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| 08:58 | <ogra> bricode, postponed to next ubuntu release ...
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| 08:59 | <bricode> ogra: Really? Humm. Too bad.
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| 08:59 | <ogra> bricode, a proper network authentication mechanism is needed first
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| 08:59 | we have a webkiosk plugin now though ...
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| 08:59 | <Shingoshi> You probably have no idea what the Slackware boostrap mech is?
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| 08:59 | <ogra> which assembles already the first bits of the fat client spec
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| 09:00 | Shingoshi, i would have listed it above if i knew :)
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| 09:00 | <Shingoshi> ogra: ^
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| 09:00 | ok
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| 09:00 | <bricode> ogra: That's true. I remember playing around with it, and had to change things in the passwd and group files.
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| 09:00 | <Capricorn^800> petre: u there ?
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| 09:00 | <Shingoshi> What, God doesn't know everything?
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| 09:00 | LOL LOL LOL
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| 09:01 | ogra: I will never leave you alone now!
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| 09:01 | <ogra> bricode, right ... the proper way is to have ldap auth and pam mounting the users homedirs for fat clients ...
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| 09:01 | <rjune> Shingoshi: this is the 1st church of jammcq, ogra is a prophet of such. sheesh
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| 09:01 | <Capricorn^800> petre: dont leave me
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| 09:01 | <ogra> rjune++
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| 09:01 | :)
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| 09:02 | rjune, rather a priest though :)
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| 09:02 | <rjune> heh
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| 09:04 | <Capricorn^800> petre: u there ?
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| 09:07 | oh man :(
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| 09:08 | <ogra> Capricorn^800, just wait until he's finished with his son
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| 09:08 | he said he'd return
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| 09:09 | <Capricorn^800> hmm
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| 09:09 | ok
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| 09:09 | thx for telling me
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| 09:09 | <ogra> *he* told you above ... :)
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| 09:09 | <Capricorn^800> sorry i missed that
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| 09:12 | <bricode> ogra: I did some network benchmarking of thin vs. fat clients.
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| 09:12 | * Shingoshi screwed up his color scheme. | |
| 09:12 | <ogra> bricode, and ?
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| 09:12 | <bricode> ogra: Had some what I thought were surprising results.
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| 09:12 | <ogra> i suspect after booting fat client will take a lot less
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| 09:13 | <bricode> ogra: From boot to login on thin client was ~70-80MB (I have exact figured written down somewhere)
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| 09:13 | ogra: Similar for fat client.
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| 09:13 | <ogra> a thin client will constantly have network traffic for X .... while a fat client only needs the net if you start an app or have any r/w stuff going on
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| 09:14 | <bricode> ogra: Fat client from login screen to desktop needs >100 MB transfer.
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| 09:14 | <ogra> wow, i would have expected more
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| 09:14 | 100MB isnt much
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| 09:14 | <bricode> ogra: You'd think that would be true. Thin clients needed ~30kbps "heartbeat" maintenance transfer over ssh.
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| 09:14 | ogra: The actual figure for Edubuntu was about 140MB I think.
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| 09:15 | <ogra> still, not much for a full desktop you recieve over the net
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| 09:15 | my guess would have been above 200M
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| 09:15 | <bricode> ogra: Fat clients also had an NFS heartbeat. Don't know why though. Traffic was also about 20-30kbps
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| 09:16 | ogra: The thick client multi-media and voip worked like gold though. :)
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| 09:16 | <ogra> yeah
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| 09:16 | thats because its a full ubuntu ... working similar to the liveCD
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| 09:16 | you dont need weird workarounds to play tricks with networking on fat clients
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| 09:17 | <bricode> ogra: Yep. I was debating on whether or not to do some more benchmarking and write something up for Ubuntu Live in July.
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| 09:17 | <bricode> Silly sleeping laptop.
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| 09:18 | <ogra> hh
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| 09:18 | heh
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| 09:19 | you'll be at ubuntu live ?
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| 09:19 | <bricode> I'm considering going.
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| 09:19 | <ogra> at uds as well ?
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| 09:19 | <Capricorn^800> ogra: u do me a favour
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| 09:19 | <bricode> I used to work in Portland and have friends there.
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| 09:19 | Is there a uds at the same time?
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| 09:19 | I guess there probably would be for Feisty+1
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| 09:19 | <Capricorn^800> i have to leave now and during whole peter was the only person who know about my sound problem
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| 09:19 | <ogra> no, in may in spain ... but if yu sit in the US it might be a bit expensive
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| 09:20 | <petre> Capricorn^800: I'm back
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| 09:20 | <Capricorn^800> oh thx
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| 09:20 | petre i was about to leave
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| 09:20 | ok i did boot from knoppix
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| 09:20 | <Capricorn^800> n did lspci
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| 09:20 | <petre> does sound work with the knoppix?
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| 09:21 | <ogra> you pci list wont change between knoppix and k12 :)
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| 09:21 | <Capricorn^800> but didnt find any specific sound option maker there
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| 09:21 | ok wat should i do
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| 09:21 | <bricode> ogra: I'm in/near Toronto.
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| 09:21 | <ogra> bricode, ah
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| 09:21 | <Capricorn^800> petre: i am on knoppix
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| 09:21 | <petre> Capricorn^800: is sound working?
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| 09:22 | <ogra> bricode, i remember we met in MV but didnt remember where you're from :)
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| 09:22 | sbalneav, scottie !!!!!!!!!
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| 09:22 | <sbalneav> Hey ogra
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| 09:22 | <petre> Scoot!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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| 09:22 | <bricode> ogra: I was pretty aloof in MV.
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| 09:23 | <Capricorn^800> petre: how can i check that on knoppix ?
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| 09:23 | <ogra> well, we still shook hands :) and you didnt wear gloves ;)
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| 09:23 | <bricode> ogra: Although the fat client stuff isn't ready, I would think there would be a use case for something that doesn't need login.
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| 09:23 | <petre> did you hear the 'Initiating startup sequence' sound during bootup?
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| 09:23 | <bricode> ogra: Like a kiosk. Or *cough* OLPC.
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| 09:24 | <ogra> yeah, the kiosk plugin i uploaded yesterday is an example
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| 09:24 | its included now ...
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| 09:24 | <Capricorn^800> no
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| 09:24 | <bricode> ogra: Awesome
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| 09:24 | <ogra> ltsp-build-client --kios gives ou a webkiosk out of the box
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| 09:24 | <petre> hmm, not good
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| 09:24 | <ogra> *--kiosk
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| 09:24 | <bricode> ogra: Included in Feisty or git or what?
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| 09:25 | <ogra> apart from that its trivial to chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 apt-get install ubuntu-desktop ;)
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| 09:25 | in feisty
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| 09:25 | yesterdays upload of ltsp includes it ...
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| 09:25 | <petre> I don't have a knoppix handy at the moment, but I think there's a Multimedia menu, right?
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| 09:25 | <ogra> (it still has some bugs but will be ready for release)
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| 09:26 | ltsp (0.134) feisty; urgency=low
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| 09:26 | .
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| 09:26 | * enable the kiosk plugin (ltsp-build-client will accept the --kiosk
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| 09:26 | option now)
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| 09:26 | <Capricorn^800> ok
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| 09:26 | so wat next should i try ?
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| 09:26 | <Shingoshi> ogra: Ignore this. Just testing my colors.
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| 09:26 | <petre> do a locate for some wav files and try to play them with any of the sound apps
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| 09:26 | <Shingoshi> Ok. I got them to work again.
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| 09:26 | <bricode> ogra: Groovy.
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| 09:27 | <Capricorn^800> ok
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| 09:27 | <ogra> i'm looking for an easy way for the admins to install flash still ...
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| 09:27 | ltsp doesnt have universe or multiverse in the list by default ... and i cant make that a default ... so it will need a proper script
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| 09:28 | i dont want to bother admins with to many commandline tasks if its possible to mae it easier
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| 09:29 | Capricorn^800, /usr/share/sounds usually contains some sound files
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| 09:29 | <Capricorn^800> petre: i just restarted the system
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| 09:29 | ok
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| 09:29 | <Shingoshi> ogra: I can get me to have a color for my nick. But I want to give other users nicks colors as well. When I set it on autocolor, I can't specify who gets what color. Using KSirc.
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| 09:30 | <ogra> no idea about kde apps here ... i'm a gnme guy :)
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| 09:30 | *gnome even
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| 09:30 | <Capricorn^800> petre: one more thing . i have a same system on which i have installed window and on its device manager .. its telling crystal in sound card option
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| 09:30 | <petre> ogra: have you looked at eric harrison's script for installing flash in k12ltsp?
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| 09:30 | <Capricorn^800> secondly i have open another system and i can view crystal chip on mother board
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| 09:30 | <ogra> petre, no, and that wont work with muecow i suspect
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| 09:31 | <Shingoshi> Maybe there is a ksirc line here.
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| 09:31 | <petre> He just gives root an icon that the admin clicks on to pull flash down
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| 09:31 | <ogra> petre, ubuntu has a poper flash9 package
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| 09:31 | <petre> can't you use that?
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| 09:31 | <ogra> so i need to use that ... the problem is that the archive comonent it comes from isnt enabled by default in the client chroot
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| 09:32 | so that would need the admin to enable it, run apt-get update and install it in a chrooted environment ...
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| 09:32 | * petre is only amateur with apt-get | |
| 09:32 | <ogra> a task i'D prefer to do scripted
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| 09:32 | well, not different to yum i guess
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| 09:32 | <petre> can a repo be specified in a command line? without running apt-get update?
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| 09:32 | * ogra is not even an amateur with yum though :) | |
| 09:33 | <ogra> no
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| 09:33 | you need to get the package lists from the server
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| 09:33 | which is what apt-get update does
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| 09:34 | <petre> eric ships the livna and freshrpm repos turned off by default
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| 09:34 | same issues I suspect
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| 09:34 | <ogra> hmm, i wonder if i shouldnt just integrate python-ltsp with python-apt ...
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| 09:34 | that would probably solve it very elegant ... but exclude rpm distros from python-ltsp
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| 09:35 | <ogra> is there such a thing like python-rpm ?
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| 09:35 | <Capricorn^800> petre: did u read me previous line
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| 09:35 | <petre> not that I know of
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| 09:35 | <ogra> some python module that provides rpm functions ?
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| 09:35 | hmm, sad
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| 09:35 | <Capricorn^800> n i tried to open wav file with xmms but it give me error could'nt open audio
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| 09:35 | <petre> Capricorn^800: yes, I'm looking for crystal drivers on my K12ltsp5 box
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| 09:36 | <ogra> having transparent package installation opportunities in python-ltsp would really rock the world ...
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| 09:36 | <petre> Capricorn^800: what config settings, io, irq, etc, is Windows using for your sousnd card?
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| 09:36 | *sound
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| 09:37 | ogra: yes, that would be the holy grail
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| 09:37 | ;-)
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| 09:38 | ogra: is python-lstp just an api?
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| 09:38 | *ltsp
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| 09:39 | <ogra> petre, https://launchpad.net/python-ltsp
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| 09:39 | a package is in ubuntu feisty already ... i'm building a gui tool for ltsp mainteance on top of it atm
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| 09:40 | <Capricorn^800> <petre> Capricorn^800: what config settings, io, irq, etc, is Windows using for your sousnd card? how can i check that on windows ?
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| 09:41 | i can see in Device manager sound option Crystal WDM Audio codex n few more options like this
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| 09:41 | <ogra> petre, it came from http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/LTSPManager/ which i ripped apart to have the generic usable functions as python modules so KDE can write a QT gui for it and you can easily have web and commandlie tols as well
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| 09:41 | or even integrate ltsp status info in other apps by just importing python-ltsp
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| 09:42 | <petre> ogra: cool!
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| 09:43 | Capricorn^800: Isn't there a hardware manager or some such in windows?
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| 09:43 | * petre doesn't use windows much any more | |
| 09:43 | <ogra> petre, :
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| 09:43 | >>> import ltsp
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| 09:43 | >>> ltsp.status.tftp()
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| 09:43 | True
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| 09:44 | like that :)
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| 09:44 | or
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| 09:44 | >>> ltsp.dictionary.keymaps('/opt/ltsp/i386')
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| 09:44 | ['ar', 'be', 'bg', 'br', 'ch_de', 'ch_fr', 'cz', 'cz_qwerty', 'de', 'de_CH', 'dk', 'dvorak', 'en_US', 'es', 'fr' ....
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| 09:47 | <petre> man, I gotta get ubuntu going on my test box, so I can try these things out
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| 09:47 | probably have to wait for feisty, tho
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| 09:47 | dapper and edgy won't run on it for some odd reason
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| 09:48 | <ogra> hmm, why ?
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| 09:48 | <bricode> ogra: Do you know if any Canonical people are working on OLPC stuff?
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| 09:48 | <petre> not sure, something locks up during the hardware detection
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| 09:48 | <ogra> bricode, not atm .... mark wants to see some community effort first afaik
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| 09:49 | petre, during boot of the CD ?
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| 09:49 | <petre> yes
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| 09:49 | <Capricorn^800> petre: i guess its intel 82371AB/EB PCI to ISA bridge (ISA mode ) n its manufacture: Crystal Semiconductor
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| 09:49 | <ogra> often thats caused by strange video modes ... try to select a different one at he CD bootscreen :)
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| 09:49 | <bricode> ogra: Gotcha.
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| 09:50 | <petre> I think I did, same result, although it's been a few weeks, so my memory isn't perfect
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| 09:50 | <ogra> bricode, it would be cool tohave a community driven team for it though ... but i dont see anyone picking it up yet
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| 09:50 | <bricode> ogra: http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/LTSPManager/ is pretty!
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| 09:50 | <Capricorn^800> petre: if u dont mind can u give me ur 10 mins . as i have to leave for home . its almost 10 pm here
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| 09:51 | <petre> I can't get to the machine right now: my wife is using it's monitor, kb, mouse, net connection, etc. with a loaner machine
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| 09:51 | <ogra> bricode, yeah, but not functional :)
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| 09:51 | its a usable mockup that doesnt write any configs ...
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| 09:51 | <bricode> ogra: Oh. No fun in functional. Well, I look forward to it :)
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| 09:51 | ogra: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=876jZuLhsbU
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| 09:51 | <ogra> but the client building works fine via gui :)
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| 09:52 | <petre> Capricorn^800: find the irq, io settings that windows is using and try those in SMODULE_01
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| 09:52 | <bricode> ogra: Guess which kernel that demo uses :)
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| 09:52 | <Capricorn^800> petre: i dont know how to found it in windows
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| 09:53 | <ogra> bricode, sweet
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| 09:53 | !
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| 09:53 | <petre> Capricorn^800: nor do I, but try the Control Panel->System Config and look for Hardware or some such
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| 09:53 | <bricode> ogra: It's funny. When it boots up it has the Ubuntu flash screen, then the CLI boot starts and reads "Staring Fedora Core".
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| 09:53 | <ogra> heh
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| 09:54 | <bricode> ogra: Sadly not shown in the video. Yet.
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| 09:54 | <petre> Capricorn^800: you might also check back here on #ltsp and look for Gadi, as he is the real sound wizard
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| 09:54 | (he's not here right now)
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| 09:55 | <Capricorn^800> i will
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| 09:55 | <petre> Capricorn^800: you might also consider spending $5-$10 for a PCI soundcard which will generally just work out of the box
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| 09:55 | <Capricorn^800> ok i will
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| 09:55 | <petre> but that involves spending $$$ which isn't always an option
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| 09:55 | <Capricorn^800> but can u tell me
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| 09:56 | <petre> but it is an option
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| 09:56 | <Capricorn^800> wat i should do next if i know the sound card name etc
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| 09:57 | <petre> sound cards are listed in /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/audiolist
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| 09:57 | look for the card name there
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| 09:57 | although those might only be for PCI cards
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| 09:57 | * petre not sure about what kind of cards audiolist contains | |
| 09:57 | <petre> Gadi would know
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| 09:58 | sbalneav: do you know if audiolist only pertains to pci soundcards?
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| 09:58 | <sbalneav> I beleive so
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| 09:58 | <petre> brb
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| 09:59 | <Capricorn^800> petre listen
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| 09:59 | sbalneav : hi
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| 09:59 | i mail u 2 times regarding my usb problem
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| 09:59 | <sbalneav> Hello
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| 09:59 | <Capricorn^800> but u didnt reply
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| 09:59 | <sbalneav> ?
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| 10:00 | What email?
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| 10:00 | <Capricorn^800> i got that wiki doc of local devices n in that ur name is mentioned n also ur email
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| 10:01 | <sbalneav> What name did you email me as?
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| 10:01 | I'll look in my Inbox, but I don't see any LTSP questions that I haven't responded to.
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| 10:02 | <Capricorn^800> wait
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| 10:02 | mean while i m having trouble with me sound on ltsp
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| 10:02 | thats ur id sbalneav@ltsp.org ?
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| 10:03 | <sbalneav> sbalneav@ltsp.org is me, yes.
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| 10:03 | <Capricorn^800> i m sending my mail again
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| 10:05 | can u help me in sound problem ?
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| 10:06 | <sbalneav> What's your sound problem?
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| 10:07 | <Capricorn^800> i want to configure sound on thin clients
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| 10:07 | not server
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| 10:07 | i have enabled SOUND = y
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| 10:08 | SOUND_DAEMON = esd
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| 10:08 | SMODULE_01 = "sb io=0x220 irq=5 dma=1"
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| 10:09 | but my thin client box not telling me sound card name with lspci .. but i have same system with windows installed on it and in its device manager i can see Crystal sound card in sound controllers option
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| 10:09 | n also on motherboard i can crystal chipsit
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| 10:09 | so i means that its crystal sound card
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| 10:10 | after that i dont know wat to do to make me sound working on thin client ?
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| 10:10 | need help after that
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| 10:11 | <petre> Capricorn^800: sorry, phone rang, had to take a crisis call
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| 10:11 | <sbalneav> I don't know what type of soundcard a crystal soundcard is, so I'm not sure.
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| 10:11 | Have you booted something like Knoppix on the box, to see what it detects for a soundcard?
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| 10:11 | <petre> sbalneav: knoppix doesn't see it
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| 10:11 | may be ISA based
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| 10:12 | <Capricorn^800> i guess its intel 82371AB/EB PCI to ISA bridge (ISA mode ) n its manufacture: Crystal Semiconductor as i see in the sound and audio devices properties
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| 10:13 | <sbalneav> I haven't seen an email yet, by the way.
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| 10:14 | We have Greylisting turned on on my mailserver. Maybe your mail server you send through doesn't re-transmit mails?
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| 10:15 | As for the sound card, I really don't know what to tell you. I have no idea what kind of chipset a crystal soundcard is, so I have no idea if the sb module will work on it, or what IO, DMA or IRQ it's on.
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| 10:15 | <bricode> Does anyone have a decent writeup on how to boot different thin client environments?
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| 10:15 | <sbalneav> Do you have a manual for the motherboard, which may tell you some of this information?
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| 10:16 | <bricode> ie: Edubuntu, Ubuntu, other from the PXE boot menu?
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| 10:16 | <sbalneav> What PXE boot menu?
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| 10:16 | Most PXE implementations don't have a menu/
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| 10:17 | Some do, I think. Are you talking about having multiple LTSP versions? Or just logging into different desktops?
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| 10:17 | <ogra> bricode, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPMultiboot ?
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| 10:18 | not sure how to tweak it to get it offerint multiple client env though
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| 10:18 | *offering
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| 10:19 | <bricode> ogra: Close. Suppose I need to do some reading on pxelinux.cfg file formats.
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| 10:20 | sbalneav: Multiple LTSP versions.
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| 10:20 | <bricode> sbalneav: I know it sounds like a crazy idea, but I have my reasons :)
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| 10:21 | <rossman> SO I just set up edubuntu and copied over my conf files and what not from another ltsp install (on ubuntu) and I can't locate the tftp file on starting the thin client.
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| 10:21 | bah, i think I just found it
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| 10:21 | <rossman> nevermind
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| 10:21 | <renatowinner> ola
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| 10:22 | hello
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| 10:22 | <rossman> was wrong. I'm still lost. I used the filename and option root-path from the edubuntu site, but I've got nothing
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| 10:22 | anyone know what the4se should be set to?
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| 10:23 | <renatowinner> i'm from brazil
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| 10:23 | help in ltsp
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| 10:23 | <rossman> rena: what do you need?
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| 10:23 | <renatowinner> help in dhcp
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| 10:24 | <rossman> fine, what is wrong?
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| 10:25 | <bricode> rossman: In Ubuntu the tftp files are located in /var/lib/tftpboot/
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| 10:26 | <rossman> so should my filename read /var/lib/tftpboot? That seems off
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| 10:26 | <renatowinner> you can help me to install ltsp in linux kurumin
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| 10:26 | it etou with many you doubt :/
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| 10:28 | <bricode> rossman: from dhcpd.conf
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| 10:28 | <rossman> kurumin is knoppix based, whcih is well outside my area of expertise, but any info on loading ltsp in knoppix should help
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| 10:28 | <bricode> rossman: filename "/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.0";
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| 10:28 | <rossman> excellent
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| 10:28 | <ogra> rossman, edubuntu installs all files you need in the rigth places, there is no need at all to touch anything ...
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| 10:28 | why did you copy stuff over them ?
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| 10:28 | <rossman> I copied them over because i already had 40 terminals set up and I don't want to have ot readd them all one at a time. They're on fixed IP addresses
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| 10:29 | <bricode> rossman: but the directory it actually uses adds the prefix /var/lib/tftpboot/ , so in my case my files are in /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.0
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| 10:29 | <renatowinner> they alguem can help me step by step?
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| 10:29 | <ogra> rossman, ugh, then your dhcp.conf is huge, i see
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| 10:29 | <rossman> quite
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| 10:29 | <renatowinner> I am new in linux
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| 10:29 | <ogra> but you should have made a backup of the files before copying new ones over them ;)
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| 10:30 | /etc/ltsp/dhcp.conf has all hints you need in it usually :)
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| 10:30 | <rossman> and my office network is fixed IP, so I can't put a random dhcp server out there. It might grab all sorts of poorly configured crap.
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| 10:30 | I suspect I did. I'll check
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| 10:30 | <bricode> ogra: That reminds me. There is no mention that the TFTP files are prefixed with /var/lib/tftpboot. in dhcpd.conf. Took me a while to figure that out.
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| 10:30 | <ogra> bricode, well, why would you touch it at all ?
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| 10:31 | <bricode> ogra: Because I'm difficult :)
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| 10:31 | <ogra> ltsp-update-kernels cares for kernel maintenance ... and if you work with the defult files the values are all right ...
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| 10:31 | i.e. right paths in /etc/ltsp/dhcp.conf
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| 10:31 | <bricode> ogra: And because I wanted to figure out the inner workings of LTSP.
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| 10:32 | ogra: Also, I think there was a difference in the base dhcp3d package, and the one that LTSP installs, so I got confused.
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| 10:32 | <ogra> ah, k
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| 10:32 | well, /var/lib/tftpboot is the FHS location afaik
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| 10:32 | <renatowinner> they alguem can help me step by step?
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| 10:33 | <bricode> renatowinner: What are you trying to do?
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| 10:34 | <rossman> ok, that worked much better. It got to the edubuntu load screen. Then I get this error:
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| 10:34 | /bin/sh: can't access tty; job control turned off (initramfs)
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| 10:35 | <ogra> thats an nfs timeout ...
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| 10:35 | you should see the real errormessage somewhere above
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| 10:35 | <renatowinner> bricode: to install ltsp in linux kurumin.
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| 10:35 | if it will be able to ajduar me I will be grateful
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| 10:35 | <ogra> check your nfs server and that there is no dhcpd running in your network that hands out adresses to the clients ...
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| 10:36 | <rossman> nothing above.
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| 10:36 | check my nfs server. Got it
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| 10:36 | <ogra> and make very sure there is no dhcp other server *anywhere*
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| 10:37 | that is, if the clients boot nd get an answer from that one, they wont get a root-path handed over
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| 10:37 | <bricode> renatowinner: I can't read Portuguese, but does this help? http://www.guiadohardware.net/guias/01/
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| 10:38 | renatowinner: Where are you in Brazil?
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| 10:39 | <rossman> er . . . and idea which nfs file might be the config file?
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| 10:39 | it's not my thing
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| 10:39 | <bricode> rossman: /etc/exports
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| 10:40 | <rossman> thanks. It's passing /opt/ltsp
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| 10:40 | <renatowinner> bricode: yes, I am Brazilian more I am not understanding the aid of the site ?guides of the hardware?. you it will be able to help me?
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| 10:40 | <rossman> shoudl I comment it out?
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| 10:40 | <bricode> rossman: Make sure you restart the nfs daemon after you change it.
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| 10:41 | <rossman> checking now
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| 10:42 | same error. I suspect somehting in my dhcp file is wrong
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| 10:42 | still
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| 10:43 | should my root path be /opt/ltsp/i386?
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| 10:44 | <bricode> rossman: Yep.
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| 10:44 | <ogra> rossman, only in the dhcp config
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| 10:44 | do not change /etc/exports
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| 10:45 | <rossman> well, that much is correct, then
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| 10:45 | <bricode> renatowinner: http://www.guiadohardware.net/guias/01/index2.php
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| 10:45 | renatowinner: It is a step by step guide for installing LTSP on Kurumin.
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| 10:45 | <rossman> er . . .I commented out the ltsp line in /etc/exports. Was that incorrect?
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| 10:46 | <ogra> yes
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| 10:46 | <rossman> I'll try again
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| 10:46 | <ogra> if you dont touch the edubuntu setup after install, you will have an out of the box running ltsp server
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| 10:46 | so be very careful which tweaks you make
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| 10:47 | the defaults are well tested and work for several thousand users :)
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| 10:47 | <mistik1> has anyone seriously looked into integrating pulseaudio into ltsp?
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| 10:48 | <rossman> crap. nada
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| 10:48 | <bricode> rossman: Make sure you restart the nfs demon.
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| 10:48 | <rossman> are the default files online anywhere? I can just put them back and give it a shot
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| 10:49 | I restarted nfs-common and nfs-kernel-server
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| 10:49 | that seems to be all I have
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| 10:50 | <bricode> rossman: That should do it for nfs.
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| 10:50 | <ogra> mistik1, to late
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| 10:51 | <mistik1> ogra: ??
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| 10:51 | <rossman> hmm . . . let me try a reboot just to be sure. If that doesn't work, I may need to reinstall it (rather put the default files back in place if they exist anywhere)
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| 10:51 | <ogra> mistik1, ubuntu feisty already uses it :P
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| 10:51 | <mistik1> hehe
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| 10:51 | <rossman> if they don't, is there a way to rerun the initial setup to recreate them?
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| 10:51 | <mistik1> great
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| 10:51 | <ogra> i'm waiting for gst-puse and alsa-plugins to enter main, the its complete
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| 10:51 | *then
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| 10:51 | <cstextiles> Does anyone knows any utility through which i can use the vnc like utility in a ltsp environment?
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| 10:51 | <ogra> *gst-pulse
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| 10:52 | <sbalneav> mistik1: Hey!
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| 10:52 | <ogra> mistik1, pulse rocks so hard
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| 10:52 | <sbalneav> How are you?
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| 10:53 | <bricode> ogra: sweet. So that fixes a lot of audio issues in thin client setup right?
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| 10:53 | <ogra> yep
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| 10:53 | lots of them
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| 10:53 | <mistik1> sbalneav: here there man, i'm doing good
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| 10:53 | <ogra> with gst-pulse and alsa-plugins, pulse just emulates an alsa device
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| 10:54 | so oyu can do volume control etc just like with a local card
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| 10:54 | all apps supporting alsa just work etc
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| 10:54 | <mistik1> ogra: what method did you guys use, per-user or systemwide?
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| 10:55 | <ogra> i run a systemwide pulse server on the client listening on a network port
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| 10:55 | <mistik1> I was looking into it last night but could not figure out what would run in server vs ltsp environment
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| 10:55 | <sbalneav> mistik1: Hey, the pastebot's been down for a while? Any chance of getting it back up?
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| 10:55 | <ogra> on the server in the users session i run asoundconf set-pulseaudio if LTSP_CLIENT is set
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| 10:55 | thats it, the rest is magic
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| 10:56 | <renatowinner> if nobody wanted to help me thanks a lot thus exactly goes to try to read the guide all.
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| 10:56 | <mistik1> sbalneav: My colo skipped town on me months ago and I cant even seem to get my data back from him
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| 10:56 | <sbalneav> Yikes, sucks!
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| 10:56 | <mistik1> I would gladly setup the pastebot on Jim's server to get it going again
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| 10:56 | <sbalneav> Maybe send Jim and email, we've been feeling the loss :)
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| 10:56 | <ogra> that would be cool, i'm really missing the ping feature
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| 10:57 | * ogra resorted to paste.ubuntu-nl.org ... which indeed doesnt send notifications to #ltsp | |
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| 10:58 | <mistik1> I cant tell you guys just how pissed I am over the whole deal
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| 10:58 | <mathesis> hi all
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| 10:58 | <sbalneav> I can imagine.
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| 10:59 | <mistik1> I even had customers on that webserver
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| 10:59 | <mathesis> LTSP5 have support for rdesktop?
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| 11:01 | <rossman> reboot = still no good. Is there some way to rebuild ltsp on edubuntu?
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| 11:01 | <mistik1> ogra: do you also use alsa vs OSS on the ltsp client?
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| 11:03 | <ogra> mistik1, OSS isnt supported in ubuntu since ubuntu exists
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| 11:03 | we always used alsa
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| 11:03 | <mistik1> ok
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| 11:04 | <ogra> al i did was to replace the esound server with pulse and make the alsa emu in the session happen
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| 11:05 | <nofxx> cliebow: heyy running like a charm... 8 machines now.. sound.... xD tnx ... ogra ! tnx !
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| 11:05 | <mistik1> interesting
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| 11:05 | <ogra> :)
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| 11:05 | mistik1, one part thats missing is autodetection of input devices on the client since we cant use hal there
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| 11:06 | thats one point i'd like to solve next release
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| 11:06 | but after that i see no reason to touch the sound implementation anymore
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| 11:06 | <mistik1> I'd love to see the script for the thin-client side
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| 11:07 | I guess I'll have to qemu the latest ubuntu
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| 11:08 | <mathesis> how can listening the sound youtube.com in the thin-clients?
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| 11:14 | <nofxx> how can I see what ltsp version I'm running? from edubuntu 6.10
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| 11:15 | <CaPRiCorN^80> hi again
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| 11:15 | petre: u around ?
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| 11:15 | <petre> yes
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| 11:15 | <CaPRiCorN^80> ok
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| 11:16 | <nofxx> mathesis: im trying that too .. check this http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/Sound#Adobe_Flash_9
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| 11:16 | <CaPRiCorN^80> n hope sbalneav also
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| 11:16 | well i m not at office .. at that time power went off
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| 11:16 | <sbalneav> I'm around.
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| 11:16 | <CaPRiCorN^80> sbalneav : u got my mail ?
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| 11:17 | <sbalneav> CaPRiCorN^80: No. I have greylisting on my mail server. Does your mail host retransmit mail messages?
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| 11:17 | Perhaps that's the problem.
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| 11:17 | <CaPRiCorN^80> sbalneav : i m sending from hotmail
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| 11:18 | <sbalneav> Ah
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| 11:18 | I don't think hotmail retransmits.
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| 11:18 | <CaPRiCorN^80> wat should i do ?
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| 11:18 | try from yahoo ?
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| 11:18 | <sbalneav> Well, seeing as how we're talking RIGHT NOW, why don't you just ASK YOUR QUESTION?
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| 11:19 | <CaPRiCorN^80> well right now i talk about that sound thing
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| 11:19 | but i m not in office so i cannot practically check things
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| 11:20 | anyways i told in last about my sound card
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| 11:20 | <sbalneav> Try sending to sbalneav@alburg.net
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| 11:21 | <CaPRiCorN^80> is the main chat some where on web ?
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| 11:21 | ok
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| 11:21 | <sbalneav> And as for your sound card, my last words to you were:
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| 11:21 | As for the sound card, I really don't know what to tell you. I have no idea what kind of chipset a crystal soundcard is, so I have no idea if the sb module will work on it, or what IO, DMA or IRQ it's on.
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| 11:22 | <CaPRiCorN^80> can u paste my last statment
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| 11:22 | i wrote about Intel thing
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| 11:23 | <sbalneav> i guess its intel 82371AB/EB PCI to ISA bridge (ISA mode ) n its manufacture: Crystal Semiconductor as i see in the sound and audio devices properties
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| 11:23 | <CaPRiCorN^80> yes right
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| 11:24 | <sbalneav> So, like I said above:
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| 11:24 | <nofxx> hum... can I use the nvidia drivers you get from synaptic on the clients?? i have onboard nvidias there
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| 11:24 | this is confusing me.... http://dipe.de/tipps/ltsp_nvidia ... it says 2.4
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| 11:24 | <CaPRiCorN^80> so wat u suggest ?
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| 11:24 | <sbalneav> I don't know what kind of chipset a Crystal soundcard is, and I have no idea what the IO port, IRQ and DMA are.
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| 11:24 | I'd suggest buying a proper soundcard.
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| 11:25 | <CaPRiCorN^80> but there should be some solution to it
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| 11:25 | <sbalneav> Something PCI that can be auto-detected.
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| 11:25 | <CaPRiCorN^80> hmm
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| 11:25 | ok
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| 11:25 | <sbalneav> Sure, there's a solution.
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| 11:25 | You find out what kind of driver works with it, and what IO port, DMA, and IRQ it's actually on.
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| 11:26 | You'd do that by looking in the motherboard manual, or maybe in the bios setup screen.
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| 11:26 | <CaPRiCorN^80> i did find IRQ on window in office
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| 11:27 | <sbalneav> Dude, got the email
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| 11:27 | Do me a favour: resend it without all the html garbage in it.
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| 11:27 | <CaPRiCorN^80> thx :)
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| 11:27 | <sbalneav> plain text please.
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| 11:27 | <CaPRiCorN^80> i contains only plain text
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| 11:28 | hmmm
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| 11:29 | <jammcq> sbalneav: SCOTTY !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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| 11:29 | <ogra> jammcq, wow, now *that* was a delayed action
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| 11:29 | :)
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| 11:30 | <jammcq> yeah
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| 11:30 | too many things going on at the same time
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| 11:30 | <ogra> bt i took your part when he joined :)
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| 11:30 | * jammcq needs a better scheduler | |
| 11:30 | <jammcq> maybe a preemptive scheduler
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| 11:31 | <ogra> you mean a crystal ball ?
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| 11:31 | with calendaring function :)
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| 11:31 | <sbalneav> CaPRiCorN^80: Your problem is with step 4 and step 10
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| 11:31 | <jammcq> ogra: and reminders
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| 11:31 | <ogra> heh
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| 11:31 | indeed
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| 11:31 | <sbalneav> Your workstation knows it's name as ws117
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| 11:32 | but your display variable is ws117.ltsp
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| 11:32 | they don't match.
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| 11:32 | <CaPRiCorN^80> ok
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| 11:32 | wat should i do to make it working fine ?
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| 11:33 | * jammcq thinks we need a "domain insensitive comparison function" | |
| 11:33 | <ogra> jammcq, you need avahi/zeroconf integration
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| 11:33 | that will solve all out dhcp/tftp and nfs issues once and for all
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| 11:33 | <CaPRiCorN^80> n also y is this problem occuring
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| 11:34 | <ogra> but will sadly be a horrible amount of work to get right ...
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| 11:35 | <sbalneav> CaPRiCorN^80: the problem's in your dhcp.conf file.
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| 11:35 | <jammcq> sbalneav: maybe his hosts file
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| 11:35 | <sbalneav> paste the line from /etc/hosts for ws117
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| 11:35 | well, it's either or
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| 11:35 | <jammcq> if dhcpd.conf is doing hostname lookups
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| 11:35 | <ogra> :)
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| 11:36 | <sbalneav> Probably, the hosts file says: 192.168.0.117 ws117.ltsp
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| 11:36 | and the dhcpd.conf file says:
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| 11:36 | host ws117 {...
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| 11:36 | so EITHER:
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| 11:36 | 1) change /etc/hosts to 192.168.0.117 ws117
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| 11:36 | OR
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| 11:36 | <ogra> make them match anyhow :)
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| 11:36 | <jammcq> the 'host' line in dhcpd isn't causing the problem
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| 11:37 | <CaPRiCorN^80> ok
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| 11:37 | <sbalneav> paste the line from /etc/hosts for ws117 ????? wat to do with this
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| 11:37 | <jammcq> the problem would be if he has 'get-lease-hostnames true' in dhcpd.conf, and has it wrong in /etc/hosts
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| 11:38 | btw, "wrong" is the way ltspcfg creates the entries in /etc/hosts
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| 11:39 | <CaPRiCorN^80> sbalneav: solution ?
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| 11:39 | <sbalneav> We just said.
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| 11:39 | <jammcq> CaPRiCorN^80: show us the line from your /etc/hosts file
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| 11:39 | <CaPRiCorN^80> i cannot right now . as i m not in office :(
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| 11:39 | <nofxx> esd or pulse ?? flash audio...
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| 11:39 | <jammcq> well, gonna be hard for us to diagnose the problem
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| 11:39 | <CaPRiCorN^80> agree
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| 11:40 | <ogra> make them match anyhow :) .. thats for me ?
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| 11:40 | <sbalneav> I would suggest editing your /etc/hosts file, and change the ws117.ltsp reference to just ws117
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| 11:40 | <jammcq> CaPRiCorN^80: in your /etc/hosts file, if the hostname has '.ltsp' on the end of it, remove it
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| 11:40 | <CaPRiCorN^80> ok i will check that
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| 11:41 | <jammcq> sbalneav: so, did you finish moving all the people out of your office?
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| 11:41 | <sbalneav> still dealing with stuff. Just got finished screwing a desk together.
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| 11:41 | :)
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| 11:42 | <jammcq> sbalneav: did you get that email I forwarded to you?
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| 11:42 | <sbalneav> Yes, I did, thanks.
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| 11:42 | <CaPRiCorN^80> sbalneav: i heard u are busy in some project
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| 11:42 | wats going new in linux field
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| 11:43 | i mean any new invention etc
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| 11:43 | <ogra> CaPRiCorN^80, yes, thats the pragmatic answer to your question :) sbalneav was more detailed, feel free to just ignore my babbling :)
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| 11:43 | <sbalneav> Between our failed go-live, and my boss retiring and me being panic promoted into his place, it's been busy :)
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| 11:43 | Well, not failed, I suppose.
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| 11:43 | but not "successful" either.
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| 11:44 | <CaPRiCorN^80> sbalneav: congratulation
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| 11:44 | <sbalneav> thx
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| 11:44 | <CaPRiCorN^80> mention not :)
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| 11:45 | <bricode> sbalneav: Yay for lawyers in Manitoba!
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| 12:03 | <CaPRiCorN^80> sbalneav: if my thin client can detect pci sound card ?
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| 12:04 | wat should i do after that ?
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| 12:05 | <nofxx> flash audio check.... oh my... last thing .. cant believe... just this nvidia video and I can celebrate...
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| 12:06 | ltsp version that comes with edubuntu... 4.2? ... this says 2.4 ....http://dipe.de/tipps/ltsp_nvidia
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| 12:07 | <ogra> edubuntu comes with ltsp5
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| 12:07 | <nofxx> ogra: should that work with 5? its 4.2 update 2 in the wiki... http://dipe.de/tipps/ltsp_nvidia
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| 12:07 | <ogra> jammcq, you said we should corner sbalneav, remember ? he's here now :)
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| 12:07 | * ogra just remembered | |
| 12:08 | <jammcq> oh yeah
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| 12:08 | <ogra> nofxx, you want nvidia with ltsp ? just install the linux-restricted-modues package in the client chroot and use XSERV=nvidia in your lts.conf
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| 12:09 | *XSERVER
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| 12:09 | oh207, and you probably need to install nvidia-glx as well ...
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| 12:09 | <nofxx> sudo apt-get install /opt/ltsp/i386 nvidia-glx ?
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| 12:10 | <CaPRiCorN^80> can we use usb on windows ? i mean any progress on this
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| 12:10 | <joebaker> ogra: The Parallel Port still isn't working on my ltsp5 ubuntu 6.10 client. I run a nmap against the thin client and see no 9100 port response. I'm very glad you are making such great progress on the pulse audio front.
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| 12:11 | <ogra> joebaker, hmm, weird ... can you log in on the client and check if /dev/lp0 exists ?
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| 12:11 | <nofxx> pulse looks (sounds?) great... btw.... hehe gonna wait for the ubuntu repositories....
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| 12:11 | <joebaker> Will try
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| 12:12 | <ogra> and that lp_server is running
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| 12:12 | <joebaker> ogra: /dev/lp0 does not exist on the client --- Hey it's way cool to be able to ssh into the thin client!
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| 12:13 | <ogra> heh
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| 12:13 | hmm, thats weird, udev should have created it
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| 12:13 | <joebaker> ogra: lp_server isn't working either.
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| 12:13 | <ogra> indeed it isnt ... it checks if the device exists :)
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| 12:14 | <joebaker> ogra: is there a command I can run to start it manually?
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| 12:14 | <ogra> first yu need the device
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| 12:15 | lsmod|grep lp
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| 12:15 | what does that return ?
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| 12:15 | <joebaker> Maybe it is disabled in the BIOS, but I wouldn't think so. The BIOS went back to defaults.
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| 12:15 | Returns nothing
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| 12:16 | <CaPRiCorN^80> ogra: u were telling some one about printer setting if i m not wrong ..
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| 12:16 | <joebaker> Wait....
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| 12:16 | <ogra> try: modprobe parport_pc
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| 12:16 | <joebaker> Yes, that's correct returning nothing.
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| 12:16 | <ogra> and then check if the device exists
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| 12:17 | <joebaker> Device still doesn't exist.
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| 12:17 | <ogra> hm
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| 12:17 | <joebaker> lsmod shows parport_pc but not lp
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| 12:18 | <joebaker> Maybe I should try another box with the same nic.
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| 12:19 | ogra: My lts.conf file is supporting three versions of LTSP (4.1, 4.2 and 5.0) Maybe there is something in there that is throwing it off.
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| 12:19 | <ogra> no
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| 12:19 | thats an issue with the chroot
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| 12:19 | not related to lts.conf
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| 12:19 | try modprobe lp
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| 12:19 | <joebaker> I see.
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| 12:20 | <joebaker> Now /dev/lp0 exists ogra.
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| 12:20 | <ogra> if there is a parallel port in the HW the device should be created ...
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| 12:20 | thats a bug
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| 12:21 | the workaround is to ass lp to /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/modules
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| 12:21 | <nofxx> ogra: i just set XSEVER = nv .. without installin on the chroot... and its working... no lag on the scroll bars.. heeh
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| 12:21 | <ogra> *add
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| 12:21 | <joebaker> Great! I like smashing bugs.
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| 12:21 | <nofxx> it used the drver i installed in the server?
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| 12:21 | only problem it is 800X600... how to force?
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| 12:22 | <ogra> give it the right X_HORZSYNC and X_VERREFRESH values for your monitor ...
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| 12:22 | <joebaker> Thanks Ogra: I will do the workaround for now. If you need any feedback to discover the error condition I am at your beckon call. JoeBaker@nelfc.com 262-763-3591.
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| 12:23 | <ogra> joebaker, /usr/lib/ltsp/start_printer 0 &
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| 12:23 | run that on the client now
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| 12:23 | an check that lp_server now runs
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| 12:23 | <joebaker> Just ran it.
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| 12:25 | <ogra> does lp_server run ?
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| 12:25 | <joebaker> no.
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| 12:26 | <ogra> ah, wait, export PRINTER_0_DEVICE=/dev/lp0 && /usr/lib/ltsp/start_printer 0 &
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| 12:26 | ;)
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| 12:26 | <joebaker> Still nothing in the process list that matches lp
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| 12:27 | Before I take up more of your valuable time I should try another piece of hardware.
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| 12:28 | <ogra> no
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| 12:28 | i still have one try :)
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| 12:28 | <joebaker> ok
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| 12:28 | <ogra> /usr/lib/ltsp/lp_server -n 9100 -d /dev/lp0 &
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| 12:29 | <joebaker> That did it!
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| 12:29 | <ogra> yeah
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| 12:29 | <joebaker> EXCELLENT!
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| 12:30 | <ogra> it should also work after next reboot if you added the lp module to /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/modules
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| 12:30 | <joebaker> OK I'll try that
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| 12:30 | <ogra> i'll have to find out why its not getting loaded ...
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| 12:31 | <joebaker> Is there a good howto for getting Pulse to work yet?
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| 12:32 | <nofxx> ogra: xserv=nv stops the scroll lag, but even with X_MODE=1280x1024 it stills 800x600..humm or less
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| 12:32 | <ogra> joebaker, http://developer.novell.com/wiki/index.php/Edgy/HOWTO:_PulseAudio
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| 12:33 | <nofxx> the server has the same monitor... copy my x conf ?
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| 12:33 | <ogra> i'D suggest rather getting the missing packages from feisty and rebuild them though ... but apart from that the howto is ok
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| 12:34 | nofxx, look inside that x conf for the values
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| 12:36 | <nofxx> xorg.conf ... only the depths and resolution values .....
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| 12:36 | i tryed 24 and 16 depth.....
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| 12:40 | <ogra> you can run xvidtune on the server ... just open and close it, it will write the ranges to the terminal you started it from
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| 12:43 | <nofxx> ogra: resolution is fixed... cant change .. only refresh rates
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| 12:43 | <ogra> ??
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| 12:43 | how do you mean ?
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| 12:44 | <nofxx> running xvidtune....cant change the resolution on the client
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| 12:44 | <ogra> nofxx, only open and close it
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| 12:44 | dont *use* it
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| 12:44 | <nofxx> ahh ok... so reboot the client after it ?
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| 12:44 | <ogra> it will spit out the values you need to the terminal you started it from
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| 12:44 | <nofxx> ahh I see...
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| 12:44 | <ogra> then take these values and add them to lts.conf
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| 12:45 | X_HORZSYNC and X_VERTREFRESH
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| 12:46 | are the variables you want
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| 12:46 | <nofxx> hum.. got it...
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| 12:46 | run on the server.. i was runnin on the client.. xD
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| 12:47 | <ogra> indeed only if the monitor is really identical :)
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| 12:47 | <nofxx> yup.. same all
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| 12:48 | hum...my laptop will stop working so...
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| 12:48 | i still didnt understand how can you tell: you are "ws001" , you are 02
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| 12:49 | <ogra> you need to set it up in /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf and /etc/hosts ...
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| 12:50 | <nofxx> by mac?
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| 12:50 | hum.. makes sense now.. xD
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| 12:51 | <sh3mh4mf0r4sh> ogra: hi
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| 12:53 | <nofxx> X_HORZSYNC=1296-1440 correct syntax ? those warning about bricking my monitor scares me...
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| 12:54 | <sh3mh4mf0r4sh> ogra: boss buy (i guess) stardarts Planet pci network adapter 10/100 MB u think with 4.2 can run
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| 12:54 | model ENW-9504
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| 12:55 | <ogra> nofxx, these values cant be correct
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| 12:55 | thats not a sync value ...
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| 12:56 | <nofxx> ogra: hum....on xvidtune... Hsyncstart, HsyncEnd.....
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| 12:56 | <sh3mh4mf0r4sh> ogra: erm.. let me ask better :)
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| 12:57 | ogra: did you think ltsp 4.2 have a driver into kernel to can run over planet model enw9504 standar PCI 10/100 ?
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| 12:57 | <nofxx> sh3mh4mf0r4sh: try that card on the same kernel
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| 12:58 | sh3mh4mf0r4sh: i had a *** problem with some broadcoms.... need to buy good stuff
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| 12:58 | <ogra> nofxx, thats what xvidtune wrote in your terminal ?
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| 12:58 | <nofxx> it opened a gui
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| 12:58 | <ogra> there should be something containig:
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| 12:58 | hsync range 0: 28.00 - 50.00
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| 12:58 | vsync range 0: 43.00 - 75.00
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| 12:59 | <nofxx> ahh wait sorry... Hrozion sync .. khz... 79,98
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| 12:59 | <ogra> yes, and after you close the gui it spits out the values you need
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| 12:59 | <ogra> these values are *not* in the gui !
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| 12:59 | <nofxx> ahhh I see... Vendor: , Model:
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| 12:59 | Num hsync: 0, Num vsync: 0
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| 12:59 | nothing..
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| 12:59 | <ogra> below
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| 13:00 | <nofxx> "1280x1024" 135.00 1280 1296 1440 1688 1024 1025 1028 1066 +hsync +vsync
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| 13:00 | <ogra> no
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| 13:00 | you clicked in the gui
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| 13:00 | only open and close it
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| 13:00 | <nofxx> yup.. but closing only gives those 2 lines
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| 13:00 | <ogra> hmm, weird
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| 13:03 | <nofxx> could this be related to X_SERVER=nv working without I installin on chroot?
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| 13:04 | the clients only 800x600 resolution I mean
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| 13:04 | <ogra> no
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| 13:04 | nv is always installed in any chroot
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| 13:04 | nvidia isnt
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| 13:04 | nv is the free driver ...
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| 13:04 | <nofxx> ahhh....all comes clear now...
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| 13:04 | thats why nv is working fine on a old geforce2
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| 13:05 | but only 800x600 on the 6100 onboard
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| 13:05 | <ogra> you really need to find out these values, your monitor isnt reporting them right to the xserver during the autodetection
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| 13:05 | <nofxx> wont be better install the nvidia drivers?
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| 13:06 | i tryed the manual.. nothing
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| 13:06 | <ogra> hmm, wait, has the card a bios setting for allocating ram ?
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| 13:06 | <nofxx> probably
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| 13:06 | yea.. sure
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| 13:06 | <ogra> if its an onboard card ...
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| 13:06 | try to allocate more ram
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| 13:06 | <nofxx> k
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| 13:07 | <ogra> sh3mh4mf0r4sh, i have no idea what the 4.2 kernel includes, i work only on ltsp5 ...
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| 13:10 | <sh3mh4mf0r4sh> ah
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| 13:10 | i think your are teste by years versions...
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| 13:10 | 1 by 1
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| 13:13 | <nofxx> ogra: hum.. nothing... tryed 64, 128 mb...
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| 13:13 | <ogra> well ...
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| 13:14 | try to get these values ....
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| 13:14 | and add them ... it should solve it
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| 13:16 | <nofxx> dosent worth a shot , install the nvidia ?
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| 13:16 | i just dont knwo how to use aptitude on chroot
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| 13:17 | <nofxx> i dont have idea how to get those values... ..
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| 13:24 | <ogra> nofxx, google
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| 13:24 | or the handbook of the monitor
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| 13:30 | <slipttees> http://img468.imageshack.us/my.php?image=16331957ul0.jpg
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| 13:31 | <CaPRiCorN^80> ogra i got hp 1020 printer connected to windows machine on same network of ltsp
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| 13:31 | <nofxx> think its taht .. frequency of 30-81 kHz horizontal and 56-75 Hz vertical
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| 13:31 | <CaPRiCorN^80> but users on ltsp send print from windows only
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| 13:31 | <slipttees> monitor CGA no screen found :(
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| 13:31 | <CaPRiCorN^80> ogra i got hp 1020 printer connected to windows machine on same network of ltsp ?
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| 13:32 | n also printer is connected with usb cable
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| 13:34 | <nofxx> ogra: heheh now.. resolution working fine...... collateral.... the screen is offset .. a lot .. to the right...
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| 13:35 | even if I use the monitor to push it back... no way... hehe
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| 13:35 | <dan__t> 'morning.
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| 13:35 | I have an HP 1020, nice little printer.
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| 13:45 | <nofxx> what can i do now?
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| 14:07 | <nofxx> these things only happen with me.... even the splash screen works perfect! center... 1280.....
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| 14:08 | i have to choose between 800x600 or 1280 offset to the right .....
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| 14:08 | on the desktop
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| 15:15 | <nofxx> sudo chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 apt-get install nvidia-glx .... should work?
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| 15:19 | <slipttees> ehehe =]
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| 15:21 | <nofxx> hehe.. i'm talking non-sense?? cant use apt-get on ltsp chroot?
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| 15:22 | copied the source.list from my /etc/apt ..... but it hangs.. like if its not connected....
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| 15:23 | <slipttees> ltsp5
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| 15:24 | ?
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| 15:24 | <nofxx> yes
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| 15:24 | edubuntu 32
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| 15:24 | 6.10
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| 15:24 | <slipttees> i doesn't usgin
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| 15:24 | using 4.2 ltsp
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| 15:25 | <nofxx> i see...i'm havin problem with nvidia onboard cards....... Xserver=nv the screen is offset to the right
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| 15:25 | there is a how to install nvidia driver for 4.2 .... suppose i'll have to try those
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| 15:26 | <ogra> nofxx, you dont need the nvidia driver, one of your values is to high ....
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| 15:26 | <slipttees> i using driver "nv"
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| 15:26 | <nofxx> ogra: ahh you are back.. tnk god
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| 15:26 | xD
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| 15:26 | <slipttees> hehehe
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| 15:27 | =]
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| 15:27 | <nofxx> humm.. how much you think I can take off?
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| 15:27 | slipttees: if I try only nv .. the screen goes 800x600...
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| 15:27 | lets play with those refresh values then...
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| 15:27 | <slipttees> repace lts.conf xserver 1024x768
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| 15:27 | ;)
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| 15:28 | <ogra> nofxx, remember xvidtune ?
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| 15:28 | <nofxx> slipttees: I did it.... dont change
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| 15:28 | yes
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| 15:28 | <ogra> run it on the client this time and play with the settings
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| 15:28 | <slipttees> nope
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| 15:28 | <nofxx> ogra: sweet...
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| 15:28 | xD
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| 15:29 | <ogra> but be careful :)
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| 15:30 | <slipttees> ltsp5 no work with my AGC display
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| 15:31 | =[
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| 15:31 | http://img468.imageshack.us/my.php?image=16331957ul0.jpg
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| 15:32 | <nofxx> ogra: hehe... the mouse dont show up...
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| 15:32 | its there.. i can see when it goes over buttons
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| 15:32 | <ogra> hmm, sounds fishy ....
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| 15:34 | what kind of card is that exactly ?
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| 15:34 | <nofxx> nvidia 6100 ... let me check for sure
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| 15:35 | <ogra> the chipname would be intresting
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| 15:36 | <nofxx> C51PV/G is the chpset... hum... cant find about gpu here.. hum.. let me see
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| 15:38 | only says geforce 6100 ....
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| 15:38 | <ogra> in lspci ?
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| 15:41 | well, anyway ... i have to go now you can do the following:
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| 15:42 | follow the https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia and install nvidia-glx-legacy in the chroot
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| 15:42 | <nofxx> C51PV Geforce 6150
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| 15:42 | <ogra> sudo chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 apt-get install nvidia-glx-legacy
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| 15:42 | ten
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| 15:42 | *then:
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| 15:43 | make sure to use XSERVER=nvidia
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| 15:43 | <nofxx> coulnd find package...
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| 15:43 | <ogra> you likely need to install linux-restricted-modules if you havent it in the chroot yet
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| 15:44 | make sure that /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/apt/sources.list contains restricted
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| 15:44 | and that you properly ran sudo chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 apt-get update
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| 15:44 | <nofxx> I copied my server source.list to there... with everything...
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| 15:44 | <ogra> anyway ... tomorrow ...
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| 15:44 | ciao
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| 15:44 | <nofxx> ok..ty very much
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| 15:44 | good nite xD
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| 16:07 | <kaos01> how come setting LOCAL_APPS = Y doesnt mount /home ...
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| 17:23 | <kaos01> hi, can i get my ltsp client to resolve user id via ldap ?
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| 18:01 | <cstextiles> Can we start vino-server for all the lstpclient by default?
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| 20:09 | <Shingoshi> Hey all. I just got my new Logitech G15 keyboard. Haven't plugged it in yet. Still need to compile drivers for it.
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| 22:18 | <jammcq> hey kids
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| 22:23 | <kaos01> hey dad
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| 22:34 | <mathesis> ogra, i no can load module scanner in edubuntu
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| 22:47 | <PMantis> Heeeeeeeeey jammcq
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| 22:47 | jammcq, I gots news
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| 22:47 | :-)
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