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02:21 | <Kicer86> question: i've set X_MODE_0 to 1024x768 and all clients respect it except one. In it's /etx/X11/xorg.conf i see 1024x768, but ldm starts at 800x600. This PC has old monitor but it's resolution can be set at 1024x768 (windows could set it). Graphics card is nvidia geforce 2 mx400.
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02:30 | <alkisg> Kicer86: you need to specify X_HORZSYNC and X_VERTREFRESH for that one.
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02:30 | Which distro/version?
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02:32 | <Kicer86> distro.. it may be a problem, i'm using mandriva, but there is no ltsp version for mandi so i've created debian chroot, installed ltsp inside and then copied /var/lib/tftpboot & /opr/ltsp to my mandriva ;)
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02:32 | ltsp is newest that lenny provides :)
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02:33 | <alkisg> Heh... ok, I was just wondering if you also needed "CONFIGURE_X=True", but maybe not
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02:33 | <Kicer86> it's alreade set to true
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02:33 | <Kicer86> i can change X_HORZSYNC and X_VERTREFRESH but hm... where to get correct values ?
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02:35 | <ogra> from the handbook of your monitor
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02:36 | google might help :)
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02:36 | <Kicer86> heh, i wonder if this monitor isn't too old to exist in google but i'll check, w8 ;)
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02:48 | <Kicer86> got it, testing...
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03:21 | <Kicer86> it took a while but works :) thx
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03:21 | <alkisg_work> Kicer86: sorry I had to go :)
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03:22 | (actually I remembered the wrong time and I arrived at work 1 hour earlier :()
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08:23 | <Tony1> Anyone here who could help with a display problem?
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08:24 | One of the LTSP clients is not showing login screen
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08:24 | <alkisg> Tony1: distro/version?
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08:24 | <Tony1> Ubuntu Server
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08:24 | Latest
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08:25 | 9.04
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08:25 | <alkisg> Did you install using the server cd?
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08:25 | <Tony1> No, manually
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08:26 | <alkisg> Did you install using the desktop cd?
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08:26 | <Tony1> I had it working on the previous server - and no it is a server
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08:26 | <alkisg> (there are 3 different cds, the server, the desktop, and the alternate cd, which one did you use?)
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08:26 | <Tony1> I installed using the respos - distro is Ubuntu Server 9.04
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08:27 | <alkisg> Are other clients booting fine?
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08:27 | <Tony1> Everything is working up until the thin clients text based login
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08:27 | instead of graphical
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08:27 | screen flashes
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08:28 | showing X trying to start
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08:28 | <alkisg> Are *other* clients booting fine?
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08:28 | <Tony1> And the same thin clients were working perfectly fine with the previous server
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08:29 | I have no other clients to try...
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08:29 | <alkisg> OK, let's try experimenting then. Do you have a /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/lts.conf file?
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08:30 | <Tony1> yup
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08:30 | Ill put the file up for you to see
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08:30 | one sec
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08:31 | <alkisg> Try putting XSERVER=vesa in it.
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08:32 | <Tony1> this is what is currently looks like
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08:32 | http://cbskk.com/lts.conf
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08:33 | <Tony1> I already have it in up
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08:33 | <alkisg> Hmmm try modifying the color depth to 16....
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08:33 | Also, what graphic cards do your clients have?
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08:34 | <Tony1> How do you change the color depth?
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08:34 | <alkisg> X_COLOR_DEPTH = 32 ==> change that to 16...
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08:35 | <Tony1> It used to work with vesa
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08:36 | done that... waiting for thin client
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08:37 | <Tony1> its working
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08:38 | thank you
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08:38 | <alkisg> Wait
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08:38 | Using vesa is only the last resort
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08:38 | <Tony1> yes?
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08:38 | ok
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08:38 | <alkisg> Try to see if it works without it
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08:38 | <Tony1> It doesn't
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08:38 | <alkisg> Put a # in front of that line, and reboot the client
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08:38 | Without the color depth=32
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08:39 | (didn't you have color depth = 32 when you tried that?)
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08:39 | Use 16 now.
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08:39 | <Tony1> ok
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08:39 | one sec
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08:42 | <alkisg> (what is your chipset, by the way?)
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08:42 | <Tony1> Its not working without vesa
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08:42 | <alkisg> What chipset do you have?
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08:43 | <Tony1> have to check it's ancient
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08:43 | <alkisg> Do that, maybe there's a known bug about it, which you could work around...
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08:44 | E.g. I need to put color depth=24 in my ancient nvidia tnt, otherwise it doesn't work.
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08:44 | <Tony1> ok
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08:44 | <alkisg> The bios should be reporting the card when you boot the client
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08:44 | <Tony1> ok
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08:45 | STD Nitro 3d or similar
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08:45 | Sorry STB
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08:46 | <alkisg> Do try with color depth=24...
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08:46 | <Tony1> kk
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08:46 | <alkisg> I think my stb velocity also had the same problem
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08:48 | <Tony1> no tisn't working
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08:49 | <alkisg> OK leave it at vesa + color depth 16...
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08:49 | <Tony1> is there no other way?
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08:49 | <alkisg> Can that client boot with an ubuntu live cd?
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08:50 | <Tony1> Nope
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08:50 | No CD drive
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08:50 | <alkisg> You can boot the ubuntu live cd from the network... does it have enough ram for that?
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08:50 | <Tony1> and I don't think a PII would manage it
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08:50 | 128mb
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08:50 | <alkisg> When you tried with color depth=24, did you comment out the vesa line?
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08:51 | <Tony1> yes
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08:51 | <alkisg> OK... leave it with vesa, I don't think the nv driver would be much better for such an old card in any case
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08:52 | <alkisg> If you had something not nvidia based, then it would be worth looking to make it work better, but now I don't think it's worth it.
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08:52 | <Tony1> ok Thank You very Much!
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08:52 | <alkisg> *Maybe* you'll see in 10.04 that it'll use the nouveau driver and it'll have acceleration
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08:52 | But don't keep your hopes up... :)
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08:53 | <Tony1> thank you! Bye...
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08:53 | <alkisg> Bye
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09:32 | <_UsUrPeR_> morning all
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09:33 | shawnp0wers: how was ohio linux fest?
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09:33 | <shawnp0wers> It was awesome
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09:33 | and since you said hi -- NOW I have questions for you. mwahaahhahaha
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09:34 | firefox/flash as local app -- why do you shut sound off in lts.conf?
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09:34 | It seems to work with SOUND=True
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09:34 | and not so much with SOUND=False
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09:34 | <shawnp0wers> BUT, youtube seems to crash after a few minutes
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09:34 | and crashes ugly
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09:37 | <jayson> oooh, I got a pretty easy question :-)
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09:37 | if I setup an LTSP server, can I use virtualbox to test a 'client' connecting to the LTSP?
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09:37 | <_UsUrPeR_> sorry, was distracted
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09:37 | * _UsUrPeR_ reads question | |
09:37 | <_UsUrPeR_> ok, just read
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09:38 | if you do not shut off sound=true in lts.conf, the server will consider itself the sound processor
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09:39 | because of that, anything run via localapps (considered running independently of the server), will not have sound because the server's sound output is considered the "prime candidate" for sound output
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09:40 | so if you do not shut off sound output via LTS, the sound output will always be considered to be coming from the server. That will allow system sounds to work properly, but none of the localapps have access to the server's sound output
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09:40 | shawnp0wers: ^^^
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09:42 | <cyberorg> jayson, yes
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09:43 | <shawnp0wers> _UsUrPeR_: That's what I thought (and taught!) but in practice it seems to not be the case
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09:43 | with Sound=True, local apps have sound
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09:44 | and if I set LTS to have sound=false, no sound at all, local apps or not
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09:44 | I even tried to add pulseaudio packages to the chroot environment, to get the local sound server on the TC to work
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09:44 | but no beans
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09:45 | with the sound=true, and local apps, youtube seems to work great, but after a few minutes puke out and crash firefox bad
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09:45 | <_UsUrPeR_> shawnp0wers: hmm. That may have changed for sound output
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09:45 | <cyberorg> SOUND=False will not start pulseaudio on the client so no sound at all
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09:45 | <shawnp0wers> brb, support call
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09:45 | :)
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09:45 | <_UsUrPeR_> I know, for a fact, that getting ekiga to work on clients requires sound=false
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09:45 | at least in 8.10 it did :)
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09:45 | that's an issue with recording devices, mind you
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09:46 | * _UsUrPeR_ backtracks out the door | |
09:46 | <cyberorg> _UsUrPeR_, yeah because pa sucked with any voip client :)
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09:46 | probably it still does
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09:46 | <_UsUrPeR_> pa?
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09:46 | <cyberorg> pulseaudio
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09:46 | <_UsUrPeR_> naw, ahh
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09:47 | we actually have it working pretty will in ekiga w/localapps.
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09:47 | legible conversation, for sure
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09:52 | <_UsUrPeR_> that's via a USB headset or a normal audio input
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09:53 | <cyberorg> _UsUrPeR_, how do you get ekiga as localapp? doesn't it need gconf daemon running?
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09:59 | <alkisg> jayson: sure, you can use a vbox client
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10:00 | <jayson> alkisg: sweet! Im installing ltsp right now on a server, we might push to use the ltsp for our training rooms, instead of having 10 high end desktops that only use web interfaces
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10:00 | <alkisg> Sure, ltsp will be fine for that
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10:01 | <jayson> alkisg: you know of a good google link (tried googling earlier, but maybe I have the syntax wrong) on setting up vbox for pxe boot over the network?
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10:01 | <alkisg> jayson: just use bridged networking and select boot from lan
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10:01 | Nothing to setup :)
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10:01 | <jayson> sweet
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10:01 | <alkisg> (at least in jaunty, I don't know what version do you use...)
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10:10 | <_UsUrPeR_> cyberorg: sorry, just looked at my notes about ekiga. No, no need to install gconf daemon on ubuntu 9.04
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10:10 | <cyberorg> hmm ok, will give it a try again, twinkle was easy to set up
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10:11 | <_UsUrPeR_> cyberorg: remember as a localapp that forwarding has to be set up like with Firefox
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10:11 | <cyberorg> _UsUrPeR_, yeah, we handle forwarding very early when setting up networking on openSUSE :)
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10:12 | just one checkbox to set that up
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10:39 | <Mighty-D> Hi
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10:39 | im having a bad day with some thin clients using nvidia cards
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10:40 | i managed to install the nvidia driver
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10:40 | on the chroot enviroment, i can even get the module up and ldm displays a nice resolution, however when i log into gnome screen turns black with the mouse pointer only
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10:41 | what can be causing this behaviour?
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10:41 | please help me.
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10:41 | Thanks beforehand
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10:41 | <alkisg> Do you see anything in ~/.xsession-errors?
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10:42 | <Mighty-D> that should be in the chroot?, or in the server?
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10:44 | <alkisg> In the server, in the user directory
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10:44 | <Mighty-D> ok
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10:44 | i see a lot of info there
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10:44 | currently
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10:44 | im using the vesa driver
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10:44 | <_UsUrPeR_> sbalneav: a sabayon question for you if you have a moment.
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10:44 | <Mighty-D> im going to restart with nvidia and be back in a while
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10:44 | thanks alkisg
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10:44 | ill let you know whatever i see under xsession-errors
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10:49 | <Mighty-D> alkisg: ok, i have some xsession-error messages
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10:49 | do you want to take a look at it?
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10:49 | <alkisg> Paste them to pastebot:
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10:49 | !pastebot
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10:49 | <ltspbot> alkisg: "pastebot" is The LTSP pastebot is at http://pastebot.ltsp.org. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebot, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. A link to the content will be pasted in the channel.
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10:50 | <ltsppbot> "Mighty-D" pasted "xsession-errors" (61 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/564
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10:51 | <Mighty-D> the weird thing, is that if i set xterm alone session
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10:51 | i can see everything alright
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10:53 | <alkisg> Could you log on to the server with that user, then go to system > preferences > appearance (or something like that, I have greek menus) and select "none" in the visual effects tab,
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10:53 | and then logoff from the server and try to logon on the client with the same user?
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10:53 | (i.e. disable compiz)
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10:54 | <Mighty-D> it is already set that way
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10:55 | <alkisg> The "none" is checked? Or nothing is checked?
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10:55 | Becuse it tries to load compiz...
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10:55 | <Mighty-D> ok, in the thin client none is checked
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10:55 | however
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10:55 | ill check at the server
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10:55 | <alkisg> No no it's a user setting
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10:55 | Per user
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10:56 | <Mighty-D> alksig, i understand. On the thin client the user has none as visual effects
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10:56 | is there something that we can set at xorg.conf to make compiz disabled
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10:56 | <alkisg> OK, I believe you :) I wonder why that is, though: I/O warning : failed to load external entity "/home/rarango/.compiz/session/102706cdea420d3d77125432573616400900000271680019"
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10:57 | <Mighty-D> yeah. thats weird
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10:57 | can i uninstall compiz with apt?
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10:57 | <alkisg> Mighty-D: another thing I can think of, is that nvidia uses patched opengl libs... I wonder what happens if the server doesn't have those patched libs...
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10:58 | (your server doesn't have nvidia, right?)
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10:58 | <Mighty-D> no
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10:58 | but
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10:58 | when i was running kubuntu 8.04 it worked
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10:58 | same hardware
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10:58 | <alkisg> Did it have 3d effects etc enabled?
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10:58 | <Mighty-D> no
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10:58 | we dont want 3d effects
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10:59 | we just want a nice resolution
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10:59 | it is at 800x600 right now
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10:59 | <alkisg> I don't know, just guessing here, but I wonder if it only happens when the window manager tries to use opengl...
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10:59 | <Mighty-D> is there a way to disable opengl from xorg.conf?
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11:00 | <alkisg> Sorry, I don't know, wait for some other to answer :)
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11:00 | <Mighty-D> alkisg: ok, thanks a lot
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11:00 | <alkisg> Yw, sorry for not being able to help more.
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11:02 | <Mighty-D> no, i appreciate your help
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11:03 | im uninstalling compiz right now
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11:03 | and see if brute force does it
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11:05 | <Mighty-D> alkisg: uninstalling compiz did the magic
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11:05 | :)
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11:05 | thanks a lot
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11:05 | after all you were of much help
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11:06 | :)
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11:06 | <alkisg> Heh... go figure :)
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11:06 | Just for the fun of if, try to run glxgears
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11:06 | <Mighty-D> ok
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11:06 | <alkisg> ...to see if it'll crach it :)
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11:06 | *crash
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11:06 | <ogra> most likely
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11:06 | <Mighty-D> yeah, it crashes
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11:06 | * alkisg used nvidia clients *and* nvidia server, and everything worked fine... | |
11:07 | <ogra> nvidia ships theit own GL libs ... if they are not installed on the server as well you have a discrepancy between client and server X
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11:07 | <alkisg> Mighty-D: maybe you should also put an nvidia card on the server :)
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11:07 | <Mighty-D> alksig, im not sure the owner of this deployment will pay for it, but ill ask
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11:07 | :)
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11:07 | thanks to you all
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11:07 | btw
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11:08 | the only thing i need to do is to set X_CONFIG at /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/lts.conf per MAC ADDRESS?
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11:09 | i think this wasnt working yesterday
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11:12 | ogra, can you help me with this?
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11:14 | <ogra> i'm currently very busy (testing and fixing ubuntu beta images), alkisg or many other people in here should be able to help with lts.conf setup
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11:14 | <alkisg> Sure, a moment to finish something...
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11:14 | <Mighty-D> ogra: thanks a lot anyway
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11:14 | alkisg: ok, ill wait :)
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11:17 | !pastebot
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11:17 | <ltspbot> Mighty-D: "pastebot" is The LTSP pastebot is at http://pastebot.ltsp.org. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebot, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. A link to the content will be pasted in the channel.
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11:19 | <alkisg> Mighty-D: it's not X_CONFIG, it's X_CONF, but why do you need it per mac address? You only have a few nvidia clients?
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11:21 | <Mighty-D> yes
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11:21 | <ltsppbot> "MIGHTY-D" pasted "CURRENT lts.conf" (8 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/565
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11:21 | <Mighty-D> this is what i have
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11:22 | Then i set [MA::CA::DD::RE::SS] LIKE=NVIDIA
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11:22 | <alkisg> Uhm... you shouldn't need any of those in [default]
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11:23 | XKBLAYOUT uses the default from console-setup, so you can change it there, to have "es" on the console as well,
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11:23 | the rest are default values, you don't need them
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11:23 | <Mighty-D> ok
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11:23 | <alkisg> Now, the X_CONFIG directive doesn't exist; it's X_CONF
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11:23 | So I wonder why that works for you
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11:24 | <Mighty-D> ok
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11:24 | i just changed it, let me make a reboot and see if it works
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11:24 | <alkisg> What are you using again? Jaunty?
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11:24 | <Mighty-D> yes
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11:24 | 9.04
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11:24 | not so good with names, it is jaunty right?
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11:25 | <alkisg> You should be able to load the nvidia driver by using lts.conf directives, you shouldn't need a seperate xorg.conf...
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11:25 | Yup, 9.04 = jaunty
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11:25 | <Mighty-D> ok, which directives should i use?
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11:25 | * alkisg looks, it's been a long time since I tried nvidia in the chroot... | |
11:26 | <Mighty-D> ok, im going to try this settings and be back in 2 minutes at most...
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11:26 | brb
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11:28 | <Mighty-D> alkisg: it didnt work
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11:28 | back under 800x600 screen :P
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11:29 | <alkisg> And you're saying that some time it actually worked, and the nvidia driver was loaded?
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11:29 | <Mighty-D> now it works if i write xorg.conf
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11:29 | it is working
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11:29 | <alkisg> Using what, X_CONFIG?!!!
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11:29 | <Mighty-D> lts.conf is what isnt
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11:29 | X_CONF
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11:29 | let me paste what i used this time
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11:30 | <alkisg> I lost you
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11:30 | <ltsppbot> "MIGHTY-D" pasted "################ [default] XKB" (8 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/566
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11:31 | <Mighty-D> ok, the card is working well
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11:31 | but lts.conf isnt telling it to use the xorg.conf.nvidia to my system, so i ended up using vesa
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11:31 | <alkisg> Heh
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11:32 | If it's using vesa, then it's not working correctly :)
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11:32 | You could have made it work with vesa with no lts.conf at all :)
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11:32 | <Mighty-D> yes, what i dont understand is why it doesnt uses xorg.conf.nvidia
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11:32 | <alkisg> Anyway, remove the X_CONF line completely, and try those:
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11:32 | <Mighty-D> ok
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11:33 | <alkisg> XSERVER=nvidia
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11:33 | MODULE_01=nvidia
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11:33 | X4_MODULE_01=glx
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11:33 | johnny says that the last one isn't needed; so try with or without the last one
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11:34 | Put those under the default section
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11:34 | I'm not quite sure that your mac address section is correct...
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11:34 | <johnny> i said it?
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11:34 | <Mighty-D> but what happens to the other clients?
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11:34 | <alkisg> johnny: yup, a month or so ago...
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11:34 | <johnny> oh
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11:34 | <alkisg> Mighty-D: are they booting right now?
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11:34 | <johnny> nvidia should pull in glx
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11:35 | <Mighty-D> no
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11:35 | <alkisg> Mighty-D: I mean only temporarily, to see if it works..
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11:35 | <Mighty-D> ahh ok
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11:35 | <alkisg> Then we'll look at your mac address section
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11:35 | <johnny> i just use nouveau now.. altho it isn't perfect.. still better than vesa
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11:35 | <alkisg> johnny: I use that too, fills my needs except that it crashes sometimes...
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11:35 | <johnny> i get perfect 1680x1050 res both on boot, and in X :)
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11:35 | it has yet to crash on me..
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11:35 | <alkisg> ...and also has xv for video
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11:36 | <johnny> but yours is probably older than mine
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11:36 | <alkisg> ...but no 3d for me :(
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11:36 | <johnny> probably recent fixes
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11:36 | <Mighty-D> ok, be back in a while
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11:36 | <alkisg> Mighty-D: ok
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11:36 | <johnny> i'm running f12 alpha (soon to be beta)
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11:36 | <alkisg> johnny: yeah I last tried it with karmic alpha 1 I think...
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11:36 | <johnny> lots of things have changed since then
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11:37 | <alkisg> johnny: "both on boot and in X" ==> kms?
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11:37 | <johnny> yes
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11:37 | <alkisg> Wow... haven't seen that yet
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11:37 | I might just try it on my laptop :)
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11:37 | johnny: how would you compare fedora to ubuntu?
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11:37 | <johnny> the beta should be coming soon.. i think around the 10th
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11:37 | but you could have a snap if you wanted..
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11:38 | compare in what way?
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11:38 | <alkisg> Which things are better in fedora, which in Ubuntu etc
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11:38 | <johnny> i'm a bleeding edge kinda person.. and fedora is usually there before ubuntu
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11:38 | <Mighty-D> alkisg: ok, it worked :)
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11:38 | back on 1280 res
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11:38 | <johnny> alkisg, mostly because many of the upstream developers are actually employees of redhat
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11:39 | <alkisg> Mighty-D: and `xvinfo` shows a list of things? or "no adaptor present" ?
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11:39 | <johnny> so i got the devicekit-disks and palimpest ui first.. which worked nice
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11:39 | it was cool to be able to change my encrypted partition password through gui easily..
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11:39 | <Mighty-D> a list of things
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11:39 | <alkisg> Mighty-D: nice, enjoy :)
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11:40 | <Mighty-D> so, i just move that to the per mac settings?
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11:40 | <johnny> the ui isn't perfect, but getting better, and you get smart reports too..
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11:40 | <alkisg> johnny: and rpm vs deb? Any drawbacks there?
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11:40 | <johnny> not for me.. it ends up being about the same for the most part
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11:40 | <alkisg> Mighty-D: yup, but do post a mac address entry here, for us to see if it's ok...
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11:40 | <Mighty-D> ok
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11:40 | <johnny> yum install vs apt-get install
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11:41 | <alkisg> OK for the easy stuff, but for more difficult dependencies or removals? No problems there?
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11:41 | <johnny> altho i think that some of the command in rpm should also be in yum :(
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11:41 | <ltsppbot> "Mighty-D" pasted "MAC SETTING" (4 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/567
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11:41 | <johnny> removals.. haven't really tried
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11:41 | deps seem ok
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11:41 | altho i do miss the "recommended" options i think
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11:41 | <alkisg> Mighty-D: seems fine to me, go ahead :)
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11:42 | <johnny> but i guess i haven't really needed them
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11:42 | <Mighty-D> Ok..
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11:42 | back in a while
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11:42 | <alkisg> Thanks johnny....
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11:42 | /me has to leave, bbl...
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11:42 | <Mighty-D> ok, alkisg thanks for all your time
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11:42 | <alkisg> np
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11:48 | <johnny> hmm?
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11:48 | <Lns> johnny: for instance when you do the /me command i just see /me, not the action
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11:49 | <johnny> ooh.. problem in my transport then
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11:50 | <Lns> For anyone who's interested, I've started doing some HOWTO videos on youtube regarding LTSP - there's only a few up right now but I plan on doing a bunch more now that I got the hang of xvidcap ;) http://www.youtube.com/user/logicalnetworkingnet
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11:50 | <johnny> Lns, i don't connect with a standard irc client, i use a jabber only client
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11:50 | <Lns> ah, gotcha
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11:50 | that could be why
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11:50 | <johnny> Lns, i don't think so.. the problem is the transport acting as the irc client
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11:51 | i think it has bug
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12:10 | <jayson> does anyone know if the k12ltsp live, have the ltsp-vmclient installed on it? I want to test some settings running the k123ltsp in virtualbox and run a connection to it without screwing with our dhcp server on the network
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12:10 | and without having to run it on a physical machine with a switch
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12:13 | <Lns> jayson: not sure, but good luck with the network settings in vbox ;) just worked with that the other day, its kind of a pain when you need a separate network of virtual machines that talk to each other
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12:14 | i still don't think i have it right but i don't think i really need it at this point
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12:15 | <jayson> I still have some reading to do I guess. If I want to deploy this to the training room, no other machine on the network should be getting a dhcp address from the ltsp server, but the training room machines should still be allowed to get on the internet
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12:16 | hehe, maybe I should fire up the server, do a quick connect of a client, and then disable dhcpd once the client is connected.....just in case
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12:17 | <cg_uira> Hi, I have a problem to boot a ltsp client with nic isa 3c509
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12:18 | I'm trying with: option option-129 "NIC=3c509"; in dhcpd.conf
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12:19 | but I have de follow error: unknown option dhcp.option-129
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12:20 | Someone know how I need to configure this nic?
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12:20 | <johnny> why would you need a dhcp option for that?
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12:21 | just load it in lts.conf
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12:21 | <cg_uira> I don't know exactly, I found it in the web
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12:21 | <johnny> MODULE_01=3c509
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12:21 | <cg_uira> how?
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12:21 | <johnny> or something like that..
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12:22 | read lts-paramters.txt.gz
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12:22 | <cg_uira> ok, I will try
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12:23 | I think that I need load the module in ltsp server too, because last time, was a kernel panic in the client try to load de image
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12:23 | I need load a module for 3c509 in ltsp server?
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12:25 | <johnny> no
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12:26 | it might mean you need to rebuild the initramfs to include that driver tho
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12:26 | but won't know until you try probing it
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12:26 | <cg_uira> ok
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12:51 | <cg_uira> johnny: I tryed with MODULE_01=3c509 in lts.conf
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12:51 | but, not work
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12:51 | <johnny> it could be that your module isn't in the initramfs
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12:51 | so it can't be loaded
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12:52 | <cg_uira> how I can load it
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12:52 | <johnny> i don't know how to fix up the initramfs exactly.. on your distro
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12:52 | but you could make sure it exists to be loaded like this
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12:52 | <cg_uira> it's ubuntu
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12:53 | <johnny> find /opt/ltsp/i386/lib/modules -iname '3c509*'
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12:53 | do that command
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12:56 | <cg_uira> johnny: the output was /opt/ltsp/i386/lib/modules/2.6.24-16-generic/kernel/drivers/net/3c509.ko
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12:57 | <johnny> ok cool
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12:58 | so you probably do need to rebuild your initramfs
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12:58 | i'm not sure how tho.. somebod else will tho
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12:59 | <cg_uira> thanks, I'll search how to rebuild initramfs
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13:00 | <johnny> rebuild it after adding your module of course
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13:01 | <cg_uira> sure
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13:05 | <alkisg> jayson: what exactly are you looking for? to have a virtual ltsp lab over a physical lab? :D
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13:05 | <wesblake> Hello all. I have what seems like a small issue with finalizing my fatclient. I run a network of about 20 ltsp clients here. Right now they are thin clients, and Im getting speed complaints. Everyone's "thin client" is actually a full blown desktop, so I've built a fatclient image using the following script: http://www.nubae.com/ltsp-linux-terminal-server-project-netbooted-fat-client-for-ubuntu-hardy-and-intrepid . Script works (Im on an Ubuntu 9.04 server) but
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13:09 | <_UsUrPeR_> sbalneav: ping?
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13:10 | <alkisg> wesblake: your message was cut in "Script works (Im on an Ubuntu 9.04 server) but ", you may want to post the rest of it.
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13:11 | <wesblake> Script works (Im on an Ubuntu 9.04 server) but when you boot up a client and try to login you get "Your home directory is listed as :"/home/userdir/" but it doesn't appear to exist. Do you want to log in with the / (root) directory as your home directory? It is unlikely anything will work unless you use a failsafe session." The NFS /home share is not mounting apparently despite me creating the nfs share AND triple-checking the nfsmounts.sh script on the client,
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13:42 | <johnny> you need ctrl + alt +f# to move away, and then alt + f# to move between
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14:14 | <wesblake> Doh! I think I got it, will let you know after a reboot, but I think both the Ubuntu LTSP docs and the Nubae script are missing sudo before the mount command!
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14:19 | <_UsUrPeR_> anyone in here familiar with pam?
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14:19 | ldap-specific....
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14:19 | not a girl named pam...
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14:20 | <Gadi> There once was a girl named Pam,
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14:20 | * _UsUrPeR_ facepalms | |
14:20 | <Gadi> Who found herself caught in a jam,
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14:21 | she searched all around
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14:21 | and finally found
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14:21 | a date with our own CAN-o-SPAM
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14:21 | ;)
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14:22 | <_UsUrPeR_> ...
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14:22 | * _UsUrPeR_ points can-o-spam to irc | |
14:22 | <Gadi> hehe - I know he enjoys a good limerick
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14:22 | ;)
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14:23 | <_UsUrPeR_> Gadi: thanks. I needed that
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14:23 | <Gadi> so, whats troubling you? belly up to th bar
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14:24 | <_UsUrPeR_> Gadi: having a problem with changing LDAP user passwords via passwd in terminal
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14:24 | * CAN-o-SPAM 's ears are ringing | |
14:24 | <_UsUrPeR_> I am seeing that pam.d/common-password is the place to start looking
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14:24 | gadi: here's my common-password thus far
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14:24 | http://pastebin.com/m3d2ca93
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14:26 | * alkisg wonders why noone made a libpam-sshfs yet... which would authenticate the users by ssh'ing to the server, and use that connection to mount /home/username with sshfs... That would make a really, really simple alternative to LDAP & NFS home dirs. :( | |
14:27 | <Gadi> alkisg: mention it to sbalneav and he'll whip it up for you in 30 minutes
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14:27 | :)
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14:27 | he's good like that
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14:27 | <alkisg> Gadi: I did, yesterday, and today he's nowhere to be found... I wonder if that made him sick or something :D
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14:27 | <Gadi> _UsUrPeR_: not sure that passwd is supposed to update ldap records
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14:30 | <_UsUrPeR_> gadi: right now, the error I am getting is "passwd: authentication information cannot be recovered". I could see how passwd should not be able to change a user's password, but how are ldap users supposed to change their passwords in a LDAP-run thinclient environment then?
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14:31 | <johnny> you can make pam change passwords iirc.. as long as passwd knows how to talk to it
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14:31 | depends on what you have in /etc/pam.d/passwd
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14:32 | <_UsUrPeR_> johnny: here's what I have: http://pastebin.com/m3d2ca93
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14:32 | <johnny> i don't know how :)
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14:32 | that won't help me
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14:32 | but try asking in a non ltsp channel
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14:32 | <Gadi> _UsUrPeR_: I take it back, you should be able ot use passwd
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14:32 | <_UsUrPeR_> johnny: yeah, I'll go elsewhere. #ldap says they don't deal with pam
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14:33 | <Gadi> but, the user needs to have access to his password entry in the ldap directory
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14:33 | <johnny> no .. they don't :)
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14:33 | <_UsUrPeR_> much to my chagrin
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14:33 | <johnny> too bad there is no #linux-sysadmin channel..
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14:33 | that people talked about distro agnostic things like this
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14:33 | <Gadi> _UsUrPeR_: make sure the user has ability to read *and* write *his* password
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14:33 | <johnny> as most of the distro channels are full of people asking regular usage questions
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14:34 | i've spent like 5 hours trying to figure out something really dumb
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14:34 | :(
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14:34 | i finally figured it out..
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14:34 | <_UsUrPeR_> johnny: been there
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14:35 | <johnny> i went from 100% of all tests failing to around 2% failing :)
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14:36 | <_UsUrPeR_> for the record: is it ok to ask non-ltsp questions in here if the channel's dead?
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14:37 | <Gadi> only in the form of a limerick ;)
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14:38 | _UsUrPeR_: at the end of the day, I suspect the problem is in slapd.conf
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14:38 | or slapd.conf.d these days
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14:39 | unless you are sure that a user has write perms on his own password
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14:39 | <johnny> _UsUrPeR_, sure .. it's just that many of the things you personally seem to have trouble with are seriously advanced cases that most people can't help with, and you can find better help elsewhere
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14:39 | <Gadi> but sometimes you wanna go where everybody knows ur name
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14:40 | and they're always glad u came
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14:40 | <_UsUrPeR_> johnny: yeah, well not to toot the #ltsp horn, but this place is 100 times more responsive than some of the other places out there. Also: helpful
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14:41 | asking never hurts, after all
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14:42 | <Gadi> unless you ask ogra why he's not wearing liederhosen
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14:42 | that kind of asking usually hurts
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14:47 | <chrisinajar> Anyone happen to know a quantifyable way to benchmark window manager performance?
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14:47 | doing it by eye right now, which for obvious reasons isn't a very good idea...
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15:29 | <wesblake> Ok ladys and gents. Adding sudo before the mount line of nfsmounts.sh did not work for me either. I can indeed boot the client, do ctrl + alt + F1, login, then run the script and the /home gets mounted, but the script fails at startup. As the startup messages passed by, I saw an error indicating something about mounting, but it goes too fast to read it. Is there some log file I can look at that shows the text that scroll by when the thin client boots up?
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15:35 | <johnny> wesblake, same as normal? look in /var/log
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15:35 | <wesblake> Thanks, tried that. Most of the logs (messages, boot) are empty. :(
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15:37 | <johnny> try hitting scrolllock..
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15:38 | wesblake, perhaps you should post to the list so nubae can read it..
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15:38 | <wesblake> You mean hit scrolllock while booting up?
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15:40 | <johnny> yes
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15:41 | <wesblake> Cool, I'll try that. Man, that's the last hurdle. If I run the script like you said after booting up, then login just to test, the fatclient is WAY faster than our thin clients, the users are going to love this!
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15:42 | <johnny> of course it's going to be faster :)
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15:47 | <wesblake> Ok, I think scrolllock helps a lot. The two lines that show up where the script is running are:
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15:47 | mount.nfs: rpc.statd is not running but is required for remote locking.
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15:47 | mount.nfs: Either use '-o nolock' to keep locks local, or start statd
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15:57 | <wesblake> I'm going to try to just add the nolock option then to the script, do you think that would cause any issues in the long run?
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15:58 | <johnny> how about just adding rpc.statd
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15:58 | to start up
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15:58 | lol
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15:59 | or whatever other nfs scripts you have in /etc/init.d.. it might just be nfslock or somethin
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15:59 | <wesblake> Ok, I'll try that first. Thanks. :)
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15:59 | <alkisg> Doesn't the latest LTSP have some fat client support?
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15:59 | Or is that too experimental?
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16:00 | <wesblake> I think it does, the other guide where I got the fatclient script, but it required LDAP and I found that way too complicated for me to figure out. The fatclient script doesnt need LDAP.
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16:01 | <alkisg> Really? I thought it used the users from the server, no ldap or other stuff... Are we talking about the same thing?
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16:01 | I think that new fat client support only got here a few weeks ago, didn't it?
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16:01 | <wesblake> I used the docs here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPFatClients
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16:02 | The first way is the fatclient script I'm trying to use, the second 2 require LDAP
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16:02 | <alkisg> Nope, I'm talking about *upstream* support
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16:02 | <wesblake> Perhaps these methods are outdated though.
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16:02 | <johnny> alkisg, i don't think it is jaunty tho is it?
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16:02 | it might be in karmic when it comes out tho
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16:03 | <alkisg> johnny: no, but he could surely use stgraber's ppa
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16:03 | It has backports for jaunty there
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16:03 | <johnny> ah
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16:03 | <alkisg> (the same version as in karmic)
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16:03 | <johnny> well wesblake compare the one in there vs the one that you got from that wikipage
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16:03 | <alkisg> I've even seen some fixes after the initial implementation, so someone is testing it... I don't know if it's production ready, though...
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16:04 | <wesblake> I'm not aware of what stgrabber's ppa is?
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16:05 | <alkisg> It's the repository of the ubuntu developer that's part of the ltsp developers team
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16:05 | So it has the latest ltsp versions there for ubuntu
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16:05 | !stgraber-ppa
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16:05 | <ltspbot> alkisg: "stgraber-ppa" is https://launchpad.net/~stgraber/+archive/ppa
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16:06 | <wesblake> I see. I'll have to look into that, thanks.
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16:06 | <alkisg> I think you'll find some info in the ltsp mailing list
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16:08 | <wesblake> I think I've figure out this one though. Looks like statd is started by /etc/init.d/nfs-common which is running RIGHT after the nfsmounts.sh script. I'm adding that into the script so it starts before. If it works, I'll be sure to at least post it on the Nubae site.
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16:19 | <alkisg> Finally!!! Automatically (=from pxelinux) detect amd64 clients: http://syslinux.zytor.com/wiki/index.php/Ifcpu64.c32
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16:32 | <Pulga1> where can I find books about ltsp??
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16:34 | books or periodics?
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16:36 | <johnny> there are no books arethere?
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16:36 | i don't think so
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16:36 | !docs
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16:36 | <ltspbot> johnny: "docs" is For the most current documentation, see http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LtspDocumentationUpstream
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16:36 | <johnny> that's the closest thing we have to a book
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16:37 | <Pulga1> scientific researches??
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16:37 | aout it
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16:37 | about
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16:38 | <johnny> nope
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16:38 | you can be the first
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16:38 | altho i'm not sure what information you would get tho..
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16:38 | not sure if it is worth doing anyways
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16:41 | <Pulga1> I need books explainig its arquitetura
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16:41 | arquiteture
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16:41 | authors
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16:41 | something I read that has a author
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16:41 | internet doesnt
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16:45 | <johnny> our docs do..
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16:45 | they have authors.. you can even read the history
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16:45 | read the docs
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16:45 | they are good
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16:45 | <Pulga1> ok
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16:45 | iam getting graduated and I need these
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