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Channel log from 3 September 2009 (all times are UTC)
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| 00:23 | <alkisg> Good morning
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| 02:06 | <elias_a> For those of you who read Finnish - there is going to be a hands on LTSP-workshop in Kokkola, Finland 5.-6. October: http://educoss.blogspot.com/2009/08/ltsp-tyopaja-kokkolassa-5-6-lokakuuta.html
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| 02:07 | vmlintu: You are most welcome :)
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| 03:00 | <Appiah> any smart way to disable the users from making a shortcut to gnome-terminal ?
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| 03:00 | or creating shortcuts to anything
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| 03:47 | <zamba> how do i set the default keyboard layout for my thin clients?
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| 03:50 | XkbLayout in lts.conf, got it :)
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| 04:59 | <nubae|work> hey folks, Ive been tasked at work with finding a good local side http filter... u guys know of anything?
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| 05:04 | <zamba> nubae|work: dansguardian, maybe?
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| 05:05 | <Jenna> squidguard rocks
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| 05:05 | <nubae|work> local
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| 05:05 | not server side
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| 05:06 | <zamba> ah
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| 05:07 | <nubae|work> I guess there must be firefox extensions... but thought people actually using stuff in schools would know
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| 07:32 | <_UsUrPeR_> :D
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| 07:42 | <cyberorg> nubae|work, see opendns.org
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| 07:52 | <nubae_> cyberorg, its a solution but not a very viable one... I dont believe opendns can block somecommondomain.com/subfolder/theoffiendingmaterial.html
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| 07:53 | the only way would be blocking the entire somecommondomain.com, which we cant really do
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| 07:53 | <nubae_> installing firefox extensions as root is another way
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| 07:53 | but easily bypassable by installing a firefox proxy
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| 07:54 | then there is forcing everyone through a remote controlled proxy server...
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| 07:54 | not sure to what exten that is possible
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| 07:55 | and... whats probably best, is some program that does that is installed by root, and where firefox extensions cant bypass it
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| 07:55 | nor can proxies...
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| 07:55 | its a pretty screwed up task... totally political in origin.
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| 07:55 | <ogra> dansguardian or squidguard are your best bets but both are very maintenance intensive
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| 07:55 | <nubae_> In the schools we already have server side filters
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| 07:56 | but with the new netbooks they are giving the kids, when the kid goes home, he could find questionable content
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| 07:56 | <ogra> oh, fun
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| 07:56 | <nubae_> this should be a job of the parent of course
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| 07:56 | <ogra> well, gchildcare was some good attempt, but its still young
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| 07:56 | <nubae_> but... we'll get blamed if anything happens... u can already see the headlines can't u?
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| 07:56 | ah yes, a co worker mentioned it
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| 07:56 | <ogra> and the maintainer currently works on quickly
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| 07:57 | so not much development is going on atm
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| 07:57 | <nubae_> well, seeing as this is a requirement, we could throw him a hand
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| 07:57 | ie... help with coding/adding filters, etc
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| 07:57 | that is what we get paid for after all
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| 07:58 | and I'd much rather be coding than writing documentation (snivle)
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| 07:58 | its pretty unfair the amount of documentation work vs real work we get to do
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| 07:59 | for every damn thing we do, we have to write a big evaluation document, mentioning in it all the available options
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| 07:59 | then what the pros and cons are of each
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| 07:59 | <ogra> there is also an old SoC project i once mentored the guy didnt finish ...
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| 07:59 | <nubae_> and finally a theoretical assesment
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| 07:59 | <ogra> https://launchpad.net/willowng
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| 08:00 | its a supercool idea but needs some massive work
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| 08:00 | <nubae_> after that, then we can start installing exisiting stuff... if nothing is found, the very last thing we get to do is code :-(
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| 08:00 | <ogra> its supposed to be a gnome app, hooking into your desktop as an intercepting proxy
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| 08:00 | <nubae_> but I guess thatrs like that in all areas
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| 08:00 | <ogra> as backend it just uses a bayesian filter
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| 08:00 | <nubae_> jobs I mean
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| 08:00 | <ogra> so its learning standalone
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| 08:00 | <nubae_> looking now
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| 08:01 | <ogra> like a spam filter
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| 08:01 | additionally you can have white/blacklists for complete domains
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| 08:01 | but as i said, far from being ready and untouched since quite a while
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| 08:01 | <nubae_> oh, ok, well if mentored it, must be good... so... how much work u think required?
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| 08:01 | in hours if possible
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| 08:02 | so when u say massive... can u quantify that a little more?
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| 08:02 | <ogra> no idea, really, grab the code and consider yourself
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| 08:02 | <nubae_> ok, if they put a gun to your head... and had to give an answer... :-)
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| 08:02 | <ogra> its not even up to date with recent dbus ... all thats existing needs to be adjusted first
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| 08:03 | really, no idea, for me who knows the code it would probably one ubuntu release cycle if i really could demote any time into it
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| 08:03 | <nubae_> I cant go and start looking into code unless the time is there to do something with it
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| 08:04 | <ogra> for someone who doesnt know it but works fulltime on it i guess it boils down to the same amount of time
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| 08:04 | <nubae_> an ubuntu release cycle = 6 months then?
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| 08:05 | <ogra> 3 months of development
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| 08:05 | 3 of stabilization
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| 08:05 | 10mio users reporting bugs :)
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| 08:06 | <nubae_> hmm... might get away wtih 3 months
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| 08:06 | would that be with or without mentoring :p ?
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| 08:08 | ogra: as a side thing... I'm buidling up tutorials/courses for ubuntu related stuff here, as part of the larger linux-for-education moodle project: http://www.linux-for-education.org/course/category.php?id=25
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| 08:09 | <ogra> would have to be a python programmer who knows a bit about gnome infrastructure
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| 08:09 | <nubae_> to those people who u think might be interested, woudl be nice to spread the word a little
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| 08:09 | get some help
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| 08:09 | <ogra> nice, good luck with that
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| 08:09 | <nubae_> for example, porting the recent devsummit stuff
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| 08:09 | ogra would end up being me
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| 08:10 | and I'd like to think I'm getting the hang of pygtk, pycairo, and pango
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| 08:11 | <ogra> willow also needs dbus and indeed some background knowledge about http and iptables
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| 08:12 | <nubae_> I developed the pyclic app: iptables and http wouldnt be a problem... dbus... i''m still not entirely sure how exactly it works, but I have a fair idea of what it does
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| 08:12 | http://git.sugarlabs.org/projects/pyclic/ <--- git though so u'll not like that part very much
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| 08:13 | I'd be willing to give it a go if my work says yes... would u be willing to mentor me?
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| 08:17 | * nubae_ waves to Gadi | |
| 08:17 | <Gadi> mornin, nubae_
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| 08:18 | <ogra> Gadi, perfect timing, nubae_ just said git :)
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| 08:19 | bzr bzr bzr :P
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| 08:20 | <nubae_> btw... probably old news to u guys, but I discovered a way to use git and bzr over port 80 today
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| 08:20 | was tremendously happy everything but 80 is blocked at work
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| 08:21 | <Gadi> hehe
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| 08:21 | <nubae_> documented here: http://www.linux-for-education.org/course/view.php?id=80
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| 08:24 | ogra, I wouldn't hassle u much.... promise :-) (grin)
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| 08:24 | <ogra> :)
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| 08:25 | <nubae_> we could put limitations on it, like say.... all questions must be via email... no wasting your time over irc
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| 08:34 | <Gadi> I think we should "earn" the ability to waste ogra's time
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| 08:34 | <nubae_> heh
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| 08:34 | <Gadi> :)
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| 08:35 | <nubae_> well if its for a good cause :p
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| 08:35 | <Gadi> kinda like "ogra-bucks"
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| 08:35 | <nubae_> the new developer tender
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| 08:36 | <alkisg> Hmmm 3 bug reports in arms gives you 1 ogra-hour?
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| 08:36 | <nubae_> bah, bazaar says it can import git code, but it iies
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| 08:36 | lol
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| 08:37 | <Gadi> alkisg: that's a lot of ogra
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| 08:37 | <nubae_> and I dont have enough ogra-dollars to ask about why it doesn't work :-(
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| 08:39 | flubber... am I gonna have to read the entire bazaar user guide
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| 08:39 | I guess so... that should at least earn me an ogra-buck, if not 2
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| 08:41 | gadi-bucks should have a pretty good exchange rate with ogra-bucks though :-)
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| 08:41 | kind of like the euro to the pound
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| 08:42 | <Gadi> more like the euro to the italian Lirre
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| 08:42 | :P
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| 08:46 | <ogra> hey, dont mess with the lira ... it had grteat values :P
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| 08:46 | *great even
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| 08:46 | <stgraber> ogra: hey, are you coming to BTS this year ?
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| 08:47 | <ogra> stgraber, still waiting for feeback from management
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| 08:47 | its in a bad time once again
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| 08:47 | <stgraber> yeah, like a week before release :)
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| 08:47 | <ogra> milestone release ahead ... and only i have the HW to test
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| 08:48 | i need to find a replacement to do my work, which isnt easy
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| 08:49 | <Gadi> ogra: convince them to buy you remote controlled arms that you can operate from Maine
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| 08:49 | <ogra> Gadi, that would be a very long serial cable :)
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| 08:49 | and a robot to switch SD cards
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| 08:49 | <Gadi> nah - internet based robotic arms
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| 08:49 | <ogra> heh
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| 08:49 | <Lumiere> ogra: telnet ofc
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| 08:50 | <Gadi> just password protect those bad boys
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| 08:50 | ;)
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| 08:50 | <Lumiere> bbiab
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| 08:53 | <Q-FUNK> now that the GX2 support is fixed in xf86-video-geode, you guys can go ahead and remove your fallback to -vesa
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| 08:53 | it works again for karmic and squeeze
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| 08:54 | i.e. geode 2.11.4.1 and up
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| 08:54 | <Gadi> Q-FUNK: !!
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| 08:54 | I tested it for you
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| 08:55 | though it sounds like you already did
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| 08:55 | :)
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| 08:55 | yeah, in Jaunty it fell back to vesa
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| 08:55 | but when I specified Geode, it seemed to work fine (with std 19" monitor)
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| 08:56 | <stgraber> I updated the code in the Debian package, that'll be fixed for Ubuntu with next upload
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| 08:56 | <Gadi> I have logs if you want them
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| 09:08 | <sbalneav> Morning all
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| 09:08 | Ah, gadi and stgraber.
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| 09:09 | I've got some additions for scanner support. Any objections if I push? They're just mods the the ltsp starup script.
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| 09:14 | <Gadi> sbalneav: does it rely on inetd?
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| 09:15 | <sbalneav> no
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| 09:16 | In newer saned versions, you can start saned -a
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| 09:16 | which runs saned in standalone mode.
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| 09:18 | <Q-FUNK> I wonder why someone needs to specify geode, though
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| 09:18 | the driver should autodetect the chipset
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| 09:20 | Gadi: does your log say what X tries to match the chipset with, if you don't specify geode?
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| 09:20 | !s
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| 09:20 | <ltspbot> Q-FUNK: "s" is Scotty!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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| 09:26 | <stgraber> sbalneav: please push
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| 09:27 | <sbalneav> hokie. 5 minutes.
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| 09:35 | <Q-FUNK> stgraber: actually, same question. what does X try to match you with, if you don't specify geode?
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| 09:38 | * ogra grins http://gadgets.boingboing.net/2009/09/02/photo-and-descriptio.html | |
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| 09:41 | <Gadi> Q-FUNK: it fell back on vesa - I only have the log from when I specified "geode" not the one from not specifying
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| 09:41 | you'll have to wait till I get home tonight
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| 09:41 | for that one
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| 09:41 | <Q-FUNK> ok
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| 09:55 | <alkisg> My router supports QoS based on some types of "traffic behaviors" like BE, AF1x, AF2x, AF3x, AF4x, and BF. How can I characterize traffic in Linux? E.g. specify that web traffic => BE and ftp traffic =>AF1x? Or I didn't understand this at all?
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| 10:05 | <jammcq> good morning homies
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| 10:09 | <Q-FUNK> Gadi: wait, I remember: GX2 and GX1 have conflicting PCI ID mnaufacturers.
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| 10:26 | <sbalneav> Patch pushed. Please see my post in ltsp-develop.
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| 10:27 | <ogra> what did you break ?
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| 10:33 | <sbalneav> I don't *think* I broke anything? Did I? :(
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| 10:33 | It seemed to build OK for me.
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| 10:34 | Or are you just giving me a hard time? :)
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| 10:39 | <ogra> just joking
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| 10:39 | <sbalneav> heh
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| 10:40 | Hey, I fixed sabayon. I do have *SOME* successes :)
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| 10:40 | <ogra> would be funny if you could break something with these few lines :)
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| 10:40 | why do you make it depening on a lts.conf var ?
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| 10:41 | put in a udev rule ... if a scanner is plugged in it automatically is usable :)
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| 10:41 | no need to tinker with lts.conf
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| 10:42 | i mean, your change just fires up saned ... that could happen on plug events
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| 10:46 | <stgraber> Q-FUNK: it goes with vesa if I don't force it
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| 10:46 | <nubae|work> ogra, why dat:- we use /usr/bin/python not
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| 10:46 | "/usr/bin/env python
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| 10:47 | <stgraber> sbalneav: I added sane-utils to karmic's depend for the next upload. (I'll need to see if I need an exception ... it's actually a regression from a very old LTSP but well ...)
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| 10:47 | <nubae|work> whats wrong with the second option?
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| 10:47 | <ogra> debian policy
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| 10:48 | * nubae|work rolls his eyes | |
| 10:48 | <nubae|work> :-)
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| 10:48 | <sbalneav> ogra: yeah, probably should do it that way, but this, I felt, was "safest"
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| 10:48 | <ogra> /usr/bin/python is guaranteed to be controilled by the distro
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| 10:48 | <sbalneav> stgraber: cool
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| 10:49 | <ogra> while /usr/local/bin/python might break in intresting ways ... whatever you have there as /usr/local/bin/python
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| 10:49 | <sbalneav> Thanks. It's a fairly small addition. Squeeze it though as a bugfix :)
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| 10:49 | <ogra> nubae_, why do you roll your eyes ?
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| 10:49 | stgraber, why would you need any exception ? you just add a dep of something thats even on the CD by default
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| 10:50 | deps dont need exceptions
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| 10:50 | <stgraber> ogra: I'll need one for the new ltsp
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| 10:50 | ogra: as we don't currently have sbalneav's code in karmic
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| 10:50 | <ogra> pfft
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| 10:50 | <nubae|work> I think its the mention of the word debian policy...
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| 10:50 | somehow it makes my spine tingle...
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| 10:50 | <stgraber> ogra: but I can likely hide that behind a few bug fixes ;)
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| 10:51 | <jammcq> nubae|work: that's your spidey senses
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| 10:51 | tingling
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| 10:51 | <stgraber> or call that a regression from 4.x making it a bufix release and not requiring a FFe :)
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| 10:51 | <ogra> nubae_, well, python in your env could be set by $evil_mail_attchment_you_clicked ;) its a lot safer to use a proper path
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| 10:52 | * nubae|work would never click on an evil mail attachment | |
| 10:52 | <nubae|work> but I get the point...
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| 10:52 | <ogra> but 80% of your users would ;)
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| 10:53 | because they won the lottery !
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| 10:53 | <nubae|work> well... they are linux users....
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| 10:53 | <sbalneav> 80? I wish it was that low
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| 10:53 | <nubae|work> though teachers and kids
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| 10:53 | <ogra> ok
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| 10:53 | <nubae|work> so yeah
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| 11:12 | <Q-FUNK> stgraber: on which Ubuntu release did you make your test that required specifying "geode" in xorg.conf?
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| 11:12 | Gadi: same question :)
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| 11:16 | <Gadi> Q-FUNK: jaunty
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| 11:17 | <Q-FUNK> I might have a patch to xserver-core to make it work. stay tuned.
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| 11:17 | <Gadi> sbalneav: don't we need to specify SANE_NET_HOSTS env var in the session, too?
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| 11:18 | <sbalneav> Gadi: By default, it appears to be putting "+" in the saned.conf
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| 11:18 | But, it might be worthwhile adding that.
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| 11:18 | <Gadi> right, but SANE_NET_HOSTS handles USB stuff
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| 11:19 | <sbalneav> Not sure I follow?
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| 11:19 | <Gadi> unless all the usblib/devusb crap was worked out
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| 11:19 | well, back when I did scanner stuff in 4.2....
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| 11:19 | * Gadi pulls his armchair close to the fire | |
| 11:20 | <sbalneav> heh
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| 11:20 | You and me both.
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| 11:20 | <jammcq> SANE_NET_HOSTS is just so your client program (xsane) knows where to find the scanner
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| 11:20 | <Gadi> correct
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| 11:20 | but, it used to be...
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| 11:20 | <jammcq> but you can also do 'xsane -h ws001'
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| 11:20 | and other things like that
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| 11:20 | <Gadi> that you needed to specify device
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| 11:20 | and the device kept changing
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| 11:21 | <sbalneav> Now it seems to autodetect nicely
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| 11:21 | <Gadi> but, if you just set SANE_NET_HOSTS to just the hostname
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| 11:21 | <sbalneav> At least it did for me with my little scanner at home.
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| 11:21 | <Gadi> it figured stuff out by itself
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| 11:21 | or some such
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| 11:21 | <jammcq> hmm
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| 11:21 | <Gadi> automatically
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| 11:21 | <ogra> like magic ?
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| 11:21 | <jammcq> "kept changing" ?
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| 11:21 | <Gadi> sbalneav: did you run xsane from command line with an argument?
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| 11:21 | or did you just run Xsane and it found it?
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| 11:22 | <sbalneav> I ran it with an argument to point it to the ws.
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| 11:22 | <Gadi> "kept changing = usb device location depending upon when udev discovered it
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| 11:22 | <jammcq> oh
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| 11:22 | <Gadi> right
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| 11:22 | <jammcq> but that's server-side (thin client being the server in this case)
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| 11:22 | <Gadi> so setting SANE_NET_HOSTS will make it so you can run it graphically with no argument
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| 11:22 | :)
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| 11:22 | <jammcq> yeah, I suppose
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| 11:23 | <Gadi> anyway, it was necessary magic back in the day
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| 11:23 | <jammcq> for my needs, I have a python program that looks up in a database to see which scanner that user should be accessing
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| 11:23 | <Gadi> and should prolly be added to CLIENT_ENV
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| 11:23 | on the client
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| 11:23 | <sbalneav> Well, I can certainly add that in.
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| 11:23 | <jammcq> and the python program acquires the image from the scanner. no xsane in my case
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| 11:24 | <Gadi> sbalneav: prolly in an ldm/rc.d/X* script
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| 11:24 | <sbalneav> Sure. "If SCANNER=True then..."
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| 11:25 | I'll have a look at that after I get back from Lunch
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| 11:26 | <Gadi> thx
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| 11:26 | not using inetd sure does save on lots of inetd tweaking
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| 11:26 | :)
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| 11:26 | also, if you don't wrap a conditional around saned, you should prolly 2>/dev/null
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| 11:27 | <Gadi> so it doesn't get ugly when someone enables scanner with no saned
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| 11:30 | <sbalneav> Yeah, good point.
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| 11:30 | * ogra would still just wrap all of it into udev rules so you dont have to flip switches but it just works | |
| 11:37 | <sbalneav> Well, we'll make that round 2 :)
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| 13:05 | <stgraber> Q-FUNK: karmic and jaunty
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| 13:05 | and looking at the code, intrepid
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| 13:05 | <Q-FUNK> ok
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| 13:16 | <Q-FUNK> stgraber: I'm trying a small patch to xserver-xorg-core on karmic and pushing it to my PPA. can you check later whether it fixes auto-detection and skips the need for any xorg.conf?
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| 13:20 | <stgraber> I can test that next time I'm around my Geode box (hopefully tonight)
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| 13:27 | <ftherese> Why would ltsp-update-image execute normally yet not create any image files in the tftpboot directory?
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| 13:27 | the first server I set up works just fine
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| 13:28 | this is the second one I have set up, and I did it the exact same way, and the update-images script takes just as long as it should but where are the images? not where they belong?!?
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| 13:29 | The first one I have set up works just fine
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| 13:29 | <Gadi> images are created in /opt/ltsp/images
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| 13:29 | and thats where they belong
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| 13:30 | images are exported with nbd - not downloaded via tftp
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| 13:31 | <knipwim> johnny: gentoo provides a latest-iso.txt in their distfiles arch dirs!
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| 13:31 | <johnny> ltsp-update-kernels does tftp ftherese
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| 13:32 | .txt ?
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| 13:32 | so..what about a latest-stage3 orwhatever?
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| 13:34 | <ftherese> ok
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| 13:34 | <knipwim> http://mirrors.kernel.org/gentoo/releases/x86/autobuilds/latest-iso.txt
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| 13:34 | <ftherese> Gadi
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| 13:35 | <Ahmuck-Sr> you can't get a horse trainer to volunteer to fly a plane
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| 13:35 | <knipwim> redirected from distfiles.gentoo.org
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| 13:35 | <ftherese> why does the first server... which works... have the whole tftp directory populated /var/lib/tftp.../ltsp/i386/initrd.img
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| 13:36 | and the servers that do not work, and which state File Not Found on PXE boot, not contain the img files?
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| 13:36 | <knipwim> sorry, http://mirrors.kernel.org/gentoo/releases/x86/autobuilds/latest-stage3.txt
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| 13:36 | <Gadi> thats an initramfs
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| 13:36 | not an image
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| 13:36 | that gets updated with ltsp-update-kernels
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| 13:36 | or ltsp-build-client
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| 13:36 | <ftherese> well... it doesn't...
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| 13:37 | <Gadi> then you did not run either of the above
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| 13:37 | <ftherese> should I just scrap the whole /opt/ltsp dir
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| 13:37 | I DID RUN THEM
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| 13:37 | SEVERAL TIMES
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| 13:37 | <Gadi> and you can run ltsp-update-image until your blue in the face, and it won't help
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| 13:37 | <ftherese> I have run all the ltsp-update-sshkeys
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| 13:37 | ltsp-update-kernel
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| 13:37 | <Gadi> are you missing the entire tftpboot directory?
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| 13:38 | <ftherese> no... I have the directory
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| 13:38 | all the way up to i386
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| 13:38 | but the only thing inside is my lst.conf file
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| 13:38 | lts.conf
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| 13:38 | <Gadi> ah, so you don't even have pxelinux installed
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| 13:39 | you must have uninstalled something by accident
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| 13:39 | on that server
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| 13:39 | <ftherese> like what and or how?
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| 13:39 | <Gadi> one sec - I'll find you a pkg name
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| 13:39 | <ftherese> why would that have happened on two servers that I set up, and not on one of them?
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| 13:40 | I set the all up at the same time and the same way
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| 13:40 | well... one of them is actually set up in french
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| 13:40 | i mean two of them
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| 13:40 | and the first is in english
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| 13:40 | but that shouldn't matter
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| 13:42 | I set them up using ubuntu jaunty ltsp server option
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| 13:42 | <Gadi> so, do you get an error when you run: sudo ltsp-update-kernels
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| 13:42 | <ftherese> no error
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| 13:42 | <Gadi> try: sudo ltsp-update-kernels --arch i386
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| 13:43 | (are you on a 64-bit machine?)
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| 13:43 | <ftherese> no 386
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| 13:44 | that's odd
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| 13:44 | it says unrecogniezed option
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| 13:44 | spelled right of course
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| 13:44 | <Gadi> oh, sorry - my mistake
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| 13:44 | ltsp-update-kernels doesn't take that option
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| 13:45 | <ftherese> it is only for build
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| 13:45 | <Gadi> is /opt/ltsp/i386 present?
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| 13:45 | <ftherese> yes
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| 13:45 | <Gadi> hmm...
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| 13:45 | and ltsp-build-client worked with no errors?
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| 13:46 | <ftherese> correct
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| 13:46 | I am considering deleting the whole /opt/ltsp though
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| 13:47 | and just trying to rebuild
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| 13:47 | <Gadi> yeah
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| 13:47 | try that
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| 13:48 | its very strange
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| 13:48 | ur not low on disk space are you?
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| 13:48 | <ftherese> nope
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| 13:48 | fresh install of everything
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| 13:49 | df shows only 29% disk use
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| 13:52 | should I just rebuild then... that is a very large pain, but if it solves the problem it is worth it.
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| 13:54 | <alkisg> ftherese: do you have /opt/ltsp/i386/boot/pxelinux.0 ?
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| 13:55 | <ftherese> checking
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| 13:55 | <ftherese> alkisg: nothing in boot either... strange
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| 13:56 | <alkisg> ftherese: sudo chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 dpkg -l syslinux
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| 13:58 | <ftherese> alkisg: three lines of strange information followed by the list which includes ii syslinux version 2.3... Bootloader for Linux/...
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| 13:59 | <alkisg> ftherese: hmmm ok try: sudo chroot /opt/ltsp/i386
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| 14:00 | <ftherese> ok
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| 14:00 | <alkisg> dpkg-reconfigure dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-2.6.28-15-generic
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| 14:00 | dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-2.6.28-15-generic
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| 14:00 | or whatever your kernel is
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| 14:00 | to see what kernel you have in the chroot: dpkg -l linux-image*|grep ^ii
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| 14:02 | <ftherese> no package corresponds to linux-image?
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| 14:02 | <alkisg> there's a star there, *
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| 14:02 | <ftherese> I used it
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| 14:03 | <alkisg> Urm... try (in the chroot): dpkg -l linux*
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| 14:03 | and upload the result to pastebot.ltsp.org
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| 14:03 | If you don't have a kernel installed, yeah, ltsp-update-kernels wouldn't do anything...
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| 14:03 | * alkisg wonders why, and what else would be missing | |
| 14:04 | <ftherese> oooo
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| 14:04 | it is weird
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| 14:04 | I'll upload it
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| 14:06 | <ltsppbot> "ftherese" pasted "Problems with ltsp packages and update-image" (9 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/499
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| 14:06 | <alkisg> ftherese: did that setup *ever* work?
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| 14:06 | <ftherese> the first time yes
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| 14:06 | <alkisg> It seems like you never installed a kernel, that the ltsp-build-client was interrupted or something...
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| 14:07 | <ftherese> bizzare
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| 14:07 | <alkisg> (I mean *after* the ltsp-build-client...)
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| 14:07 | <ftherese> no
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| 14:07 | it never worked I guess... but I installed a bunch of packages like openoffice and firefox etc
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| 14:07 | <alkisg> OK if you want you can try to install a kernel - otherwise just delete the chroot and re-run ltsp-build-client
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| 14:07 | <ftherese> our connection to the internet is not very fast
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| 14:07 | <ftherese> I'd like to try installing the kernel
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| 14:08 | <alkisg> Don't you have the alternate cd, to use as a source, instead of downloading the packages from the internet?
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| 14:08 | <ftherese> hmmm... I guess if I knew how to do that I would
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| 14:08 | <alkisg> (ubuntu? version?)
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| 14:08 | <ftherese> I am just so used to it grabbing things from the internet
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| 14:09 | jaunty
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| 14:09 | xubuntu
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| 14:09 | alternate
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| 14:09 | but I have to use the ubuntu desktop, because the menu items don't work right for localapps in xfce4
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| 14:09 | ubuntu-desktop is installed on the server
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| 14:10 | <alkisg> Umm.... that's too many restrictions for me :)
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| 14:10 | <ftherese> what do you mean?
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| 14:10 | <alkisg> I mean that you'd need the advice of someone more experienced than me
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| 14:11 | <ftherese> I have one working server
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| 14:11 | it is just peachy
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| 14:11 | I wanted to set up three identical ones
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| 14:11 | <alkisg> Anyway, just try installing the kernel for starters: (sudo chroot /opt/ltsp/i386)
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| 14:11 | mount -t proc proc /proc
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| 14:11 | apt-get install linux-image-generic
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| 14:13 | <ftherese> ok
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| 14:13 | I'll let you know when its done installing... be back in about 15
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| 14:13 | <alkisg> (but if you wanted 3 identical ones, why don't you just scp the whole /opt/ltsp ?)
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| 14:14 | <vagrantc> ftherese: you might want to explore using something such as "approx" to cache your packages.
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| 14:14 | * alkisg uses apt-cacher | |
| 14:15 | <vagrantc> ftherese: i don't know if ubuntu supports it, but debian has --copy-package-cache and --copy-package-lists options to save the expensive internet downloads on the server side so you can re-run it without having to re-download everything
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| 14:17 | <alkisg> It does. Also there is a command line to ltsp-build-client to enable the alternate cdrom as a source, but I don't have it handy...
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| 14:18 | <_UsUrPeR_> stgraber: ping
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| 14:20 | <Ahmuck-Sr> ack
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| 14:40 | <Q-FUNK> stgraber: ok, I built patched X servers in both Karmic and Jaunty via my PPA. in combination with geode 2.11.4.1, it should auto-detect a GX2 without any xorg-conf. you can confirm on LP bug #423866 whether it worked for you.
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| 14:41 | <bf> alkisg: ok... could you tell me real quick how scp works?
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| 14:41 | that sounds very useful
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| 14:41 | <Guest48231> man scp
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| 14:42 | <cg_uira> Hi, someone to know how to boot ltsp from tftp server?
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| 14:43 | <Guest48231> cg_uira: what OS are you running?
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| 14:43 | <cg_uira> debian
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| 14:43 | <Guest48231> what version?
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| 14:44 | <cg_uira> lenny
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| 14:44 | <Guest48231> bam -- http://wiki.debian.org/LTSP/Howto
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| 14:44 | if you have already gotten past that point, ensure firewalls are diabled, make sure dhcp is being served properly
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| 14:44 | also: make sure tftp is installed :)
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| 14:44 | err tftpd
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| 14:45 | <cg_uira> I have a tftp-pxe server on debian lenny
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| 14:45 | <Guest48231> is your client getting an IP address on boot?
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| 14:46 | <vagrantc> the server recommended for debian LTSP is tftpd-hpa or atftpd
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| 14:46 | * vagrantc can't chat much at the moment, though | |
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| 14:47 | <cg_uira> Guest48231: yes, but I want that one option of boot menu of pxe will be ltsp
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| 14:47 | I want have chain boot for ltsp
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| 14:50 | <cg_uira> _UsUrPeR_: Do you understand what I want to do?
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| 14:52 | <vagrantc> cg_uira: you might have luck using dnsmasq's pxe menu support...
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| 14:53 | alkisg knows more about it than i do
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| 14:54 | dnsmasq can actually do both dhcp and tftp
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| 14:56 | * _UsUrPeR_ did not understand | |
| 14:56 | <_UsUrPeR_> sorry for misleading :)
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| 14:57 | <cg_uira> vagrantc: thank, I'm going to check it out
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| 14:57 | <vagrantc> i don't really understand what you mean by chain boot, though
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| 15:00 | <cg_uira> vagrantc: I have a pxe server with many distributions of linux in the menu boot
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| 15:00 | then, I want that ltsp server be one of those options
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| 15:01 | <alkisg> cg_uira: there are many ways to provide a menu.
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| 15:01 | <Gadi> sounds like he has the menu
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| 15:01 | <alkisg> One is a pxe menu. Another, more usual and more powerful, is a pxelinux menu
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| 15:01 | <Gadi> do you just need the entry?
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| 15:01 | <alkisg> The first one is displayed *before* the tftp server is contacted, the second one afterwards
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| 15:02 | Which one do you want?
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| 15:06 | <cg_uira> alkisg: is a pxelinux menu
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| 15:06 | <alkisg> OK. So you'd just put another label & menu entry there...
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| 15:07 | Here's an example from a menu I have handy: http://pastebin.com/f301f7dc6
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| 15:08 | If you're using debian, you'd need something like the "LABEL Jaunty-ltsp (nfs)" entry
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| 15:09 | <cg_uira> alkisg: but, the information in the ltsp label redirect to one ltsp server?
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| 15:09 | or is for install the server?
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| 15:09 | <alkisg> You mean that the pxe server is on a different machine?
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| 15:10 | <cg_uira> I want that redirect to my ltsp server already install in my net
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| 15:10 | yes
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| 15:10 | <alkisg> It's easier to have 1 dhcp server and many tftp servers
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| 15:11 | Hmm....
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| 15:12 | You could easily do it with pxe menus, instead of pxelinux menus, because the work before the tftp stage. But now...
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| 15:12 | <Gadi> cg_uira: the ltsp kernel and initrd need to live with the pxe server
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| 15:13 | if you have one pxe server, you would need to keep track of which kernel version goes with which ltsp server
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| 15:14 | unless the pxeserver also houses your chroot image
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| 15:14 | <cg_uira> but, my pxeserver is one virtual machine, and my ltsp server is another machine
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| 15:15 | I want that my client machine will have options for boot ltsp or another linux distribution
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| 15:16 | <alkisg> cg_uira: if you don't mind for it to be a simple menu (nothing fancy), and using dnsmasq, that can be done with pxe menus
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| 15:17 | But you'd need dnsmasq instead of dhcp3-server
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| 15:18 | <Gadi> alternatively, just copy the initrd and vmlinuz from the ltsp server to the pxe server
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| 15:18 | and add an: nbdroot=<LTSP server IP>
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| 15:18 | to the pxelinux.cfg menu
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| 15:18 | entry
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| 15:18 | <alkisg> nfs, i think...
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| 15:18 | (debian?)
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| 15:18 | <Gadi> ah
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| 15:19 | <alkisg> nfsroot=<ip>:/path
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| 15:19 | <vagrantc> cg_uira: did you write the menu structure you have already, or was it someone else?
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| 15:19 | <Gadi> hmm... that would be in the root-path entry, I think
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| 15:19 | ah or that
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| 15:21 | <johnny> somebody should write service discovery support for that
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| 15:21 | that would be neat..
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| 15:22 | <alkisg> I think pxe supports that...
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| 15:22 | ...but just the specs, no software :)
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| 15:22 | <johnny> new spec then?
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| 15:22 | obviously not the oldest spec..
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| 15:26 | <alkisg> I think it's the 2.1 pxe spec? not sure, it's been some time since i glanced at this spec...
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| 15:27 | <cg_uira> vagrantc: http://pastebin.com/m1b090c5c
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| 15:27 | this is my structure in /var/lib/tftpboot/pxelinux.cfg/default
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| 15:30 | <alkisg> cg_uira: are you willing to be copying the kernel/initrd.img to your pxe server manually ?
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| 15:34 | <cg_uira> alkisg: yes
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| 15:34 | <alkisg> cg_uira: then you could just use nfsroot=<ip>:/path...
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| 15:35 | See the jaunty (nfs) entry in the pxelinux.cfg/default I've posted, and just include an <ip> there.
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| 15:37 | LABEL LTSP
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| 15:37 | KERNEL vmlinuz
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| 15:37 | APPEND ro initrd=initrd.img boot=nfs nfsroot=192.168.0.1:/opt/ltsp/i386
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| 15:38 | <cg_uira> 192.168.0.1 is the ip address for my ltsp server?
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| 15:38 | <alkisg> yes
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| 15:38 | <johnny> fedora 12 alpha is nice
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| 15:39 | <alkisg> vagrantc correct me if something isn't right for debian ^^^
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| 15:39 | <johnny> there is kms support in nouveau now
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| 15:39 | <cg_uira> alkisg: ok, thanks, I will try this
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| 15:39 | <johnny> even for my 4 year old chip
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| 15:39 | <alkisg> Is nouveau in the kernel tree?
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| 15:40 | <johnny> i think so
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| 15:40 | <vagrantc> alkisg: looks good
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| 15:40 | <johnny> the 2d performance is still not all that good tho
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| 15:40 | <alkisg> I think it still uses dkms in karmic.... and I don't think it has replaced nv yet :(
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| 15:41 | xv is good, though
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| 15:41 | <johnny> they replaced nv in fedora 11
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| 15:41 | it just sucks that you can't use both nouveau and nvidia :(
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| 15:41 | <alkisg> Both? Why?
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| 15:42 | <johnny> for the kms support, while still having 3d in X
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| 15:42 | <alkisg> Ah right. Is kms so important? Or is it just for the boot screen? (/me doesn't have any card that supports kms ...:()
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| 15:42 | <johnny> well.. atm it is mostly just for the boot screen
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| 15:43 | that's certainly not the long term goal
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| 15:43 | wayland X server runs everything from kms
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| 15:43 | if more work happens in the kernel.. i wonder what will happen in nvidia..
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| 15:43 | <johnny> especially if X on linux relies on features only available via gpl exported symbols
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| 15:44 | <alkisg> I'm sure they'll find a way... wrappers etc
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| 15:44 | <johnny> they can't do kms now tho..
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| 15:45 | that's what all the posts on nvnews.net by nvidia employees
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| 15:45 | <alkisg> It's a little early, isn't it? Give them time...
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| 15:45 | <johnny> they say they can't at all.. not that they can't yet
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| 15:46 | <alkisg> Is GPL => LGPL => Proprietary linking possible?
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| 15:46 | Or it all has to be gpl?
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| 15:46 | (where lgpl would be the wrapper)
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| 16:10 | <bf> scp is taking even longer than I would have thought
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| 17:05 | <Appiah> does get_hosts script work on LTSP5 ?
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| 17:44 | <bf> hello?
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| 17:45 | I am wondering why some of my light terminals are booting to Ubuntu without ps2 mouse support
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| 17:45 | is there a package missing or something?
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| 17:47 | <bf> keyboard works
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| 17:47 | but not the ps/2 mouse
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| 17:47 | usb mouse works
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| 18:48 | <Lns> What's everyone's favorite ldap editor?
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| 18:48 | (and please don't say 'vim' ;) )
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| 18:57 | <jammcq> vim
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| 18:57 | err
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| 18:58 | yeah, vim, for EVERYTHING :)
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| 19:12 | <Q-FUNK> nano
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| 19:15 | <sbalneav> Vim
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| 19:15 | And after that...
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| 19:15 | vim
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| 19:15 | Or maybe gq
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| 19:15 | or vim
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| 19:35 | <Q-FUNK> and sometimes vim
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| 19:35 | ...unless elvis is there.
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| 19:35 | but then again nano.
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