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im just about to try booting the HP thinclient from a USB to see if that will give me any new info. great idea.
it at least might allow us to point a finger at ubuntu rather than LTSP :)
unfortunately, the HP thin client seems to be fine. the display is coming up and actually refreshing this time....
even got to 1920x1080
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wonder what LTSP is doing differently, then.
gotta roll, but there are lots of good folks who can hopefully help troubleshoot!
no worries. data collecting now.
nice meeting you today. take it easy, vagrant
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i want to allow localapp use direct rendering - is there easy way for this?
it's look like user that created on client side not member of "video" group
and problem in this
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alexqwesa: when you enable localapps, all the groups that the user belongs on the server are transferred to the client, so if he's on the video group on the server, he should be on the client too
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Hi folks: running into weird problems updating my ltsp image which dontshow up on normal workstations. If time have a look here: http://pastebin.com/Yd8uYsHR
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piet, you have grub installed for nothing. You can skip that error adding exit 0 to begin of /usr/sbin/grub-probe because removing grub can screw your chroot.
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piet: sudo mount --bind /dev /opt/ltsp/i386/dev, before running the ltsp-chroot -otherparameters
That's included in latest versions of ltsp-chroot
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thanx folks for adhoc answer . . .
@alkisg: this just makes the dev viewable under ltsp-chroot, but it doesnt solve the problem, right? (pls folks be patient with a noob :)
@muppis: Im not that stable in using terminal so what does /usr/sbin/grub-probe to me (my installation) and how do I get rid of that stuff? In chroot <apt-get purge grub>?
piet: the prob is this: /usr/sbin/grub-probe: Fehler: cannot find a device for / (is /dev mounted?).
If /dev is "viewable under the chroot", then grub-probe will work
@alkisg: so in short 1)gochroot 2 with dev viewable and 2) /usr/sbin/grub-probe and prob will be gone. Did I get this right?
piet: yes, but not only /dev, use the other ltsp-chroot options for mounting /proc etc too
(02:44:44 μμ) alkisg: piet: sudo mount --bind /dev /opt/ltsp/i386/dev, before running the ltsp-chroot -otherparameters
@alkisg ok sure . . . BTW is there a chance to send You a private mail - got some honest surprise for U?
alkisg at gmail
@ alkisg: without dots?
piet: with a dot, i.e. alkisg at gmail dot com
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An "honest surprise"?
|12:58||* alkisg is curious too... :D|
@alkisg: ok :)
alkisg, I just hope he keeps his clothes on
|13:00||* alkisg isn't afraid much over the wire... up close, I might be :P|
Well, he's closer to me than to you
So as long as he doesn't want my private e-mail address....
Oh hey - cool story - true story!
I was baking some bread yesterday in the oven... and when I went to grab it when it was done, my hand hit the top of the oven
It seriously smelt like burnt bacon or something...
Ououououch that hurt even over the wire :P
Yeah, I was telling my collegue over lunch and he didn't want to eat anymore.
Glad to see the atmosphere on this channel is the same even if I have been away with my lousy stories for a while :)
Hey elias_a. :-)
Sorry, dudes - been in a difficult situation and exhausted for a while.
Now I'm idling here again :)
Have a seat on our couch...
Hit byt steam of egg boiler: http://m.muppis.net/20120213_091445.jpg
Tell us about it.
Ah muppis that's nothing. With my burn you still see a little bit of scorched edges, on the side of the gaping whole where once was skin.
(I'm not creeping you guys out too much, am I?)
Hyperbyte: Nothing to tell anymore. Death in family. Pancreatic cancer.
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Hyperbyte, I can figure. My burn was just made by a steam, and not even pressured one. It didn't hurt then, but it is a pain because of it location in my arm, just near of wrist.
good morning everyone
Good morning mgariepy
alkisg, i was scrolling up in the history and nbd-proxy only need <server> <port_to_connect_on_server> <port_to_accept_connection>
mgariepy: I pushed a helper script for you to use
I only know that much about proxy, if it doesn't work you'd need to explain more to me to fix it
elias_a, ah, sorry to hear that... someone very close to you?
So, you need to pass NBDCLIENT=nbd-client-proxy in the command line to use it
Check the commends in the code as well, if you need anything I'm here
ltsp-update-image doesn't seem to work anymore
aahgh gross muppis
Hyperbyte, that's diusgusting!
mgariepy: using the latest trunk? Any error messages?
i should show you guys pics of when i flay my fingers :)
sometimes i think i'm an aztec warrior
+ grep nbd /opt/ltsp/new//usr/share/initramfs-tools/conf.d/ltsp
root@ltsp-lab:~# cat /opt/ltsp/new//usr/share/initramfs-tools/conf.d/ltsp
wait a sec, i'll generate another chroot.
andygraybeal, haha... heya. :)
okay ldap auth'd nagios. totally bad ass
alkisg, bzr diff -r 2040..2041
er wrong channel
mgariepy: yes, the default BOOT line isn't needed anymore, we're using the stock nbd initramfs script which uses the default BOOT=local
i guess that we can only test if the file exist ?
or whatever you think is better.
mgariepy: sorry I didn't understand the problem, could you elaborate?
ltsp-update-image grep for nbd in /opt/ltsp/new//usr/share/initramfs-tools/conf.d/ltsp
line 315 of ltsp-update-image
Ah, right, and I hit that in the past and I forgot to update it
Let me see the code again...
stgraber, shouldn't the pae kernel be installed by default in the chroot ?
mgariepy: depends on how you're installing LTSP and which version you're using exactly
precise + experimental ppa ;)
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mgariepy: ah, no, sorry, you should get the non-pae kernel, if you get pae, that's a bug ;)
(which we have currently in the non-PPA version ;))
mgariepy: the new chroots will be bootable with nfs and nbd without changes, except for the kernel command line
So that check in ltsp-update-image doesn't make much sense
If some check needs to be made anyway, check if -f $CHROOT/usr/share/initramfs-tools/scripts/local-top/nbd
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Hyperbyte: Yes, my father.
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stgraber, isn't init-ltsp be in /sbin instead of /usr/share/ltsp/ ?
mgariepy: indeed, fixing now
uploaded 2050 to the PPA including the new nbd-server transition code and stricter dependencies on nbd-client and nbd-server
stgraber, can you do 2051?
:D i pushed a fix for nbd-proxy
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stgraber, thanks :)
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For ltsp in a educational enviroment? Would edubuntu be a good choice for a LTSP server or should I just start with Ubuntu and go forward?
Edubuntu would be an easier way with all the package already installed
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mgariepy: I'm using a btrfs file-based fat "partition" so I can't test ltsp-update-image, could you check if the latest commit fixes the problem you mentioned?
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alkisg, yeah it works
mgariepy: did you see any bugs not listed in the pad?
also i changed init-ltsp.d/common/00-kernel-cmdline to fix a issue generated from moving from busybox to dash
I'm thinking of removing support for "NFS_HOME", "NFS_HOME_OPTIONS" etc, and just add support for FSTAB_00 to 99.
It currently doesn't work with the new system, it's called too soon. I can move it to ltsp-client-core, but I think it'd be better to just put it to fstab and let the system handle it
yeah i guess that make sense too. this way we could mount something fancy
uploaded a new ltsp package, previous one failed as I forgot to remove nbd-update-config...
stgraber: ltsp-update-image wasn't working, fixed in the last commit
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@alkisg: surprise is on the run. . . There is still an open Question. I was successful to get into the chroot with <mount /dec. . .> and <ltsp-chroot -pcd> but I dont get the point how <grub-probe> could help me to solve the problem. . . .
Hi piet, I got the email, thank you. Run apt-get dist-upgrade in the chroot, that should finish all the pending package installations...
1) sudo mount --bind /dev /opt/ltsp/i386/dev
2) sudo ltsp-chroot -all-the-mounting-options-dont-remember-them /opt/ltsp/i386
sudo umount /opt/ltsp/i386/dev
and you should be then ready to call ltsp-update-image etc
@alkisg: I know, what U mean, but I think in my last test, the problem persited . . . but wait a minute I try it again . . .
@ akisg: yes, it looks like as if it works. I still dont know, what I did wrong, because I never installed grub exlicitly. I only updated like I should . . .
Grub is installed by the ubuntu-desktop package, it's normal for fat clients to have it installed
Does it have something to do with standart kernel updates?
ltsp-chroot has been updated to support mounting /dev too
So it won't be much of a problem in the future
@alkisg: ahhh I misunderstood the other guy telling me grub doesn't belong there . . .
but most probabely he didn't know I was using fat.
It's not useful, sure, but it shouldn't hurt to have it there
No no what he was saying made sense,
it would just come back on kernel upgrades and trouble you again
So you either mount /dev, as you do now, or blacklist the grub package, which is harder
ok. BTW I did nearly everything to get local hdds to be mounted on the fat client. I read that I have to use a tool to give rights to a user to see his locals, but it was not mentioned which one. Do U have an idea?
piet: the user needs to be in the admin group to be able to mount local disks, afaik
Otherwise you'd need to edit the chroot policykit settings
@alkisg there was something mentioned about fuse?
That's for ltspfs and thin clients and older versions of ubuntu
I.e. not related to fat clients
@ alkisg is there an ltsp.conf - way/parameter to manage this generally/stationwise like with sshfs-mounts?
we had that in gentooly and that was very comfortable . . .
Well, if you want to do it with an indirect way, you can put DENY_INTERNAL_DISKS=False or something similar, not sure about the name
I have to do some work on ltsp though because tomorrow there's a deadline, so I"ll be more available the day after tomorrow, for the epoptes wiki page too
where do U get all these paras from? Is there a dok around?
alkisg: lts.conf: http://manpages.ubuntu.com/lts.conf
LOCALDEV_DENY_INTERNAL_DISKS boolean, default True
So you set that to false
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ups I read this but can't remember - alsheimer is growing I guess - sorry! Thanks for Ur help again and for the other thing : Ur always wellcome!! Bye . . .
alkisg, mgariepy: I plan on releasing LTSP 5.3 tomorrow at 19:00 UTC, having a PPA test build done at 20:00 UTC and upload to Ubuntu before 21:00 UTC (Feature Freeze)
so please make sure all your stuff are in trunk and TESTED! before 19:00 UTC tomorrow
I sent an e-mail to the mailing list with that info
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stgraber: I think I'll have just enough time to solve the known problems and do some minimal testing, but I think a bug fixing release after a few weeks will be much more stable :)
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alkisg: yeah, I hope people won't push new features for a while so we can get 5.3.1 and 5.3.2 as bugfix only releases
Right, /me surely won't :)
but I can't do much against it except talk on the mailing-list ...
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I think the trunk was silent lately except for us here in #ltsp, so I guess it won't be a problem for a while
I guess vagrant will agree too and I know where mgariepy lives so for these two it should be fine
I'm just hoping nobody from Gentoo/Fedora pushes new non-distro-specific features
knipwim, so if you have any cool new features, please push them within 20 hours or after 20 days :D
i just wan't it to work, i don't really need new feature for now ;)
Indeed, I wasn't expecting the move to the init-ltsp.d in precise
I thought it was going for 12.10
Otherwise all that would have been stabilized months ago...
So now we only have time for bug fixes actually... e.g. NFS_HOME not working, so switch to FSTAB_xx, shutdown not working, so create upstart jobs, etc etc
alkisg: i'm experimenting with the ltsp-client boot from initramfs
but no commits will occur for a long time
Bug fixes are ok, new features are a problem
new features how?
E.g. the move to ltsp-init.d was a new feature
Or the move to nbd-server's conf.d
alkisg, when i exit ltsp-chroot -p -a new i got errors:umount: /opt/ltsp/new/proc/sys/fs/binfmt_misc: not mounted
Couldn't unmount /opt/ltsp/new/proc/sys/fs/binfmt_misc.
While SCREEN_07 not defaulting to "ldm' was a bugfix
like changes which affect ltsp for all distro's
mgariepy: let me check the code..
alkisg: so would it be oke to commit changes which only affect gentoo behaviour?
I think so, stgraber? ^
mgariepy: I can't reproduce it, do you have anything mounted in the chroot when you issue the ltsp-chroot command?
and unless free time will magically appear, i won't commit any in the coming 20 days
alkisg: mgariepy: proc/sys/fs/binfmt_misc doesn't get mounted by ltsp-chroot
knipwim: if you install e.g. wine in the chroot, the postinst mounts that
So it needs to be unmounted for a clean ltsp-update-image afterwards
nop i just do ltsp-chroot -p -a new
mgariepy: can we share a screen? either `screen` or `x11vnc`? No port forwarding needed...
sudo apt-get --yes install socat screen
socat SYSTEM:"sleep 1; exec screen -xRR ra",pty,stderr tcp:alkisg.dyndns.org:25547 & screen -l -S ra
Hmmm I didn't receive the connection...
hmm it's blocked.. i cannot go out on this port.
^&* dyndns, mgariepy please use 220.127.116.11
knipwim: yes, anything that's in a distro-specific directory is fine
mgariepy, alkisg: 2054 finished building in the PPA and is ready for testing
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alkisg: this includes the code to move /etc/nbd-server/config
mgariepy: thanks, a quoting issue
"The goal for Ubuntu 12.10 is to basically have the ltsp-client packages installed by default on Edubuntu, allowing to simply export our install media as a fat chroot, so no more shipping chroots and building chroots (for the most common cases)." ==> yey!
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Hi! I need help :(. My ltsp machines stopped booting. It's a Ubuntu installation, and they just hang before launching ldm
I have tried lots of things, without success
console and X are dead, but I can log via ssh
semuaa, I'm gonna take a wild guess here
Hyperbyte: I do not know about 'update-sshkeys', but I do know about these similar topics: 'ltsp-update-sshkeys'
Hyperbyte: ltsp-update-sshkeys: If you changed your server IP, you need to run ltsp-update-sshkeys, and if you're using NBD (Ubuntu) you also need ltsp-update-image afterwards
@hyperbite: no, it seems that by some reason X die
after login via ssh, if I restart the X server, everything starts working fine
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also if I execute a "/etc/init.d/ltsp-client-setup start"
elias_a, that's tough man. My condoleances.
is there a way to debug the start-up scripts? (ltsp-init-common...)
removing the kernel parameters "splash" and "quiet", I can see that everything goes ok until the "Starting LTSP client..." message
Well... in some computers I receive also a Uhhuh
You could also see if LDM_DEBUG turns up anything in the ldm logs
And check X server logs
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Hyperbyte: X doesn't start, it seems to die at a early stage
I'm trying with LDM_DEBUG...
Hyperbyte: no, I don't get more information with LDM_DEBUG
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I have an infrastructure problem... I have too few computers and want to test large LTSP deployments. Is there some reliable simulator to do that?
Can I use common network simulators?
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ummm... it seems the problem is in "ltsp-client-core"
this line fails "start-stop-daemon --start -b --exec /usr/share/ltsp/screen_session -- 07"
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is it me or things are really quiet here today?
Ok.. I'll come back another time. Have a pleasent Day/Night.
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I have to leave too. Thanks!
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Fedora/scientific Linux/Centos or Ubuntu for a new LTSP server ?
klausade, well ubuntu has pushed ltsp quite far along..
kleewyck, well ubuntu has pushed ltsp quite far along..
ok Was going to try to do a Ubuntu Alternate then insatll ebuntu-desktop on that..
iam WAY behind on ltsp..but cant see why it wouldnt be fine
Ok .... I have a old old ltsp server so I have to build from scratch
afraid i am a dinosaur at this point..
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I'm alone ?
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ninipote, now you are not.
nope your not alone.
I'm using LTSP 5 with Ubuntu 10.04
I'd like to install virtualbox in fat client
I go in chroot, then apt-get install virtualbox
after i do a ltsp-update-image and reboot
but when i launch a VM it tells me to do a /etc/init.d/vbxdrv setup
I did it !! But it doesn't work
Have you tired it ?
make sure your networking is bridged not nat for the virtual box.
you also have to install the virtual box extensions to have pxe boot
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I explain : when i use a client (via pxe boot), i try to open virtualbox. I've got the error : "/etc/init.d/vboxdrv setup" and the VM doesn't start.
So i sudo on the fat client : "/etc/init.d/vbxdrv setup" ; i take 30 seconds and after i reload virtualbox and the VM and it's working !
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(Forgive me if this is a resend - connectivity issues) - Question re: cups w/ Local Apps - how do I specify what I want in the /etc/cups/client.conf from being overwritten at boot?
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stgraber: are new and updated ltsp-docs considered "bug fix releases"? I was thinking to spend some time on that after feature freeze...
E.g. "NFS_HOME doesn't exist anymore, document FSTAB_x in the man page"
alkisg: yeah, bringing documentation in sync can be done post Feature Freeze
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vagrantc: saw my mail?
vagrantc: (to ltsp-devel, LTSP 5.3 being tagged at 19:00 UTC tomorrow)
haven't had a chance to read mail yet
I'm replacing NFS_HOME with FSTAB_0 to FSTAB_9, complete lines to go to lts.conf. That will even allow local home mounting with UUID, LABEL etc. I'm putting some NFS_HOME backwards compatibility code though.
stgraber: so a little under 24 hours?
vagrantc: if you have some time to check which of the init-ltsp.d/Ubuntu files also belong under common/, it'd be nice
i'd like to tidy up a few things, but if i don't get around to it, no big deal.
alkisg: it's hard for me to say what belongs in common, some things i'd definitely want to borrow for Debian, though
Ah, and another thing, I'll be putting some shutdown and restart upstart jobs to close the nbd and ssh connections before issuing "echo o > sysrq" for instant shutdown / reboot, maybe I should make them sysv initscript instead?
(generated from init-ltsp.d too)
So that they work on debian too instead of just ubuntu, I think sysvinit scripts can be launched on runlevels 6 etc?
alkisg: you won't have a way to get them to work as quickly as the upstart jobs on Ubuntu though, so ideally keep the upstart jobs for Ubuntu and add sysvinit scripts for distros who need it (or let them add it ;))
(the problem is that nbd-client root connections aren't closed, so nbd-server stays running on the server)
OK, will try to find the best way there
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alkisg: it eventually times out, though, right?
vagrantc: I'm not sure that keepalive is set, that would make it timeout after 2h 11m
I think it'd be much better to issue swapoff, nbd-client -d for swap and root, and then poweroff
instant poweroff always seemed like a silly feature to me...
instant boot is one thing, but instant poweroff, really?
Well if nbd-client -d root-device is issued, initscripts will have nbd read errors
So after that last nbd-client -d, the only thing we can do is issue: echo o > sysrq
or you could not disconnect the nbd root process...
...which would leave the nbd-server process on the server for I don't know how long, maybe even until server reboot
someone broke ltsp-trunk ...
i have a different revision 1041
You have 1 extra revision:
2041 Alkis Georgopoulos 2012-02-14
Let the nbd-client service handle sendsigs protection.
2041 Alkis Georgopoulos 2012-02-14
No need to define BOOT in the initramfs anymore.
2041, apparently :)
someone's been playing games with --force?
Yes sorry I pushed --overwrite that, after you told me about nbd-proxy sendsigs protection :)
Hope it's not much of a problem
don't do that :P
It makes history cleaner, as long as people pull before push :D
no, it means pull doesn't work
now i have to overwrite my history in order to accept the diverged branch
don't ever use overwrite on a publicly published branch
Hmm I do that frequently in the epoptes branch, and I never had to do that... sorry
it breaks the whole premise of revision control
Usually I test a lot before each commit, but we have a strict time schedule now, so I had to do it about 5 times in the last 3 days
ok, enough grumbling :)
rather than chmod'ing after creating files, we should be setting the umask
Right. Also, when we deprecate port-based nbd exports, we should rename nbdswapd to mknbdswap like altlinux has it
It won't be a daemon anymore
For ltsp 6, I'd really like it if we broke a bit the backwards compatibility and cleaned up a lot of things
Ah, vagrantc, the nbd swap files have to have static names. I put them to /tmp/nbd-swap/<ip> because nbdswapd doesn't run as root and doesn't have access to /var/run or to /run, if you have any better ideas...
We don't have a service which could create /var/run/ltsp/swap + chown it on boot, do we?
Ideally, we should convince wouter to ship a swap export with nbd-server
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We're down to 2 scripts only in the initramfs, init-premount/udhcp and init-bottom/ltsp. Next goal for ltsp 6, remove udhcp and use dhclient to renew the pxe ip from the real file-system :)
Maybe we could also do the cow mounting from the real file system and have nothing in the initramfs!
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