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Channel log from 29 December 2009 (all times are UTC)
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| 02:24 | <pts> Can anyone tell me what the LTSP mode on the alternate CD installs/does? Is just installing and configuring ltsp-server and DHCP-server, or is it doing more behind the scenes?
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| 02:26 | <Appiah> setup for ltsp
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| 02:26 | with a default setting for dhcpd i'd guess
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| 02:27 | configures 2 nics if you have that
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| 02:32 | <pts> Ok, that was what I thought. Guess it's just a way for non-technical people to set it up and get it working easy. Was just curiious if there where some other things happening. Thanks for your answer :)
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| 02:33 | <Appiah> ye I'd suggest the alternate for pepople who just want to get started to demo or such
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| 02:33 | opensuse got a live/demo thingy now too
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| 02:33 | a big DVD...
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| 05:17 | <pts> Hi again. Fine tuning a new LTSP setup, and got a small question; How do you disable or choose manually what to show under places menu in gnome? Tried to comment out fstab entries (FDD and CD) and looked at gconf, but cat find a clear answer
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| 05:17 | This is Ubuntu btw
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| 05:19 | at least it would be very helpful to find out what deals with this. HAL, gconf or something else?
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| 06:30 | <moldy> pts: i have never done this, but maybe you should take a look at sabayon
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| 06:30 | pts: http://projects.gnome.org/sabayon/
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| 06:31 | <pts> It doesn't seems like gconf have anything to do with it. Have been able to remove from Desktop, but not from Places
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| 08:20 | <sbalneav> Morning all
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| 08:20 | <cliebow> Scottie!!
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| 08:21 | <sbalneav> Hey cliebow!
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| 08:21 | Have a Merry Christmas? At the new house?
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| 08:22 | <cliebow> mostly at home..still trimming out
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| 08:59 | <elias_a> Hi, folks!
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| 09:00 | <cliebow> ho!
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| 09:12 | <sbalneav> Helo
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| 09:13 | <elias_a> world
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| 09:13 | <cliebow> What a world 8~( What a world
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| 09:14 | I'm Burning!
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| 09:16 | errr...Melting\
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| 09:22 | <johnny> hwo aout evaporating?
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| 09:22 | that's a good one too
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| 09:22 | <cliebow> I'm sublimating!
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| 09:22 | <johnny> hehe
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| 09:23 | ah... the wonderful sbalneav , come to work his magic for us again
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| 09:24 | <cliebow> Pay no attention to the man behind the irssi client
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| 09:25 | <elias_a> cliebow: Ummm.... why?
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| 09:26 | <cliebow> He is the mighty all-powerful Scottie!
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| 09:27 | <elias_a> :)
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| 09:31 | <sbalneav> Which, what!?! who?!
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| 09:32 | johnny: So, you'll have a laugh over this.
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| 09:32 | So, I've spent months whipping sabayon into some kind of reasonable shape.
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| 09:33 | Big changes... Apply by group, actually saving symlinks, a help guide, crasher bugs, the whole 9 yards, right?
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| 09:33 | <johnny> sounds less like a laugh.. more like an uggh so far..
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| 09:34 | <sbalneav> I've been testing both on Karmic and Lucid, but of course, I tend to be a command line guy so I start things with sudo instead of gksu
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| 09:34 | so yesterday, I get all my work officially released into lucid, and try it from the menu.
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| 09:34 | fails
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| 09:34 | <cliebow> figures....
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| 09:35 | <sbalneav> sabayon works under gksu on karmic, fails on lucid.
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| 09:35 | so, something's changed on gksu.
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| 09:35 | So, I fix the tool, the way the tool launches breaks.
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| 09:35 | sigh, can't win for losing.
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| 09:36 | <johnny> what is the recommended way to launch such things now anyways?
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| 09:36 | is it really still gksu?
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| 09:36 | <sbalneav> Far as I know.
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| 09:37 | Maybe there's something else I'm supposed to use, but I'm not aware of it.
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| 09:37 | <johnny> i figured we were trying to route that kinda thing through policykit now
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| 09:38 | as creating a profile shouldn't actually require privs , only saving it..
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| 09:38 | and making it applyable..
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| 09:38 | so.. not actually saving it..
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| 09:39 | just making it applyable
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| 09:39 | /me is still on first cup of coffee
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| 09:40 | if sabayon never ever saved directly to /etc/sabayon would you even need to use gksu for anything?
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| 09:41 | so.. perhaps you should be doing something inside sabayon when trying to save instead of when launching it
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| 09:41 | like how some apps (like the printer dialog) give you an unlock button
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| 09:42 | perhaps sabayon should have that too, and just allowing saving in ~/ until you unlock it
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| 09:48 | <sbalneav> sabayon saves files in /etc/sabayon.
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| 09:48 | it also needs to modify the home dir of the sabayon user.
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| 09:48 | <johnny> modify it for what?
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| 09:49 | <sbalneav> it creates a temp home, and changes sabayon's home dir to the temp home.
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| 09:49 | it's irrelevant.
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| 09:49 | gksu should work
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| 09:49 | <johnny> sbalneav, i was only suggesting that you seperate the privilege part so you run less code as root
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| 09:49 | and it will fit more inline with the way other apps are going.. which is without running the whole app through gksu
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| 09:49 | <sbalneav> I shouldn't need to re-write an entire app to satisfy whatever the auth-flavour-of-the-month is.
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| 09:50 | <johnny> actually.. the point is to stop making there be a flavor of a month choice
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| 09:50 | <sbalneav> sabayon's cross distro
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| 09:50 | gksu's been around for years
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| 09:50 | <johnny> by just exposing an api
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| 09:50 | <sbalneav> policykit not so much
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| 09:50 | <johnny> and letting the other end decide
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| 09:50 | policykit is on all major distros now tho
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| 09:50 | of course you should still allow it to work via gksu
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| 09:51 | <sbalneav> What, so as a gnome developer, I don't give a sh*t about anything but major distros?
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| 09:51 | <johnny> for folks like people on gentoo who set -policykit
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| 09:51 | no.. read what i said
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| 09:51 | <sbalneav> Policykit isn't on my radar for sabayon
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| 09:51 | it's a huge change, for absolutely 0 gain.
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| 09:52 | we've got much bigger things that need fixing than supporting the latest auth fad
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| 09:52 | <johnny> iirc.. they are probably going to be patching gksu to use policykt internally anyways..
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| 09:52 | it's not a fad..
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| 09:52 | <sbalneav> fine.
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| 09:52 | then why doesn't gksu work?
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| 09:52 | <johnny> try it on some other new distro..
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| 09:52 | who knows.. could be an ubuntu patch
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| 09:52 | <sbalneav> it probably is.
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| 09:52 | <johnny> like fedora rawhide
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| 09:53 | or mandriva cooker..
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| 09:53 | or debian experimental
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| 09:53 | <alkisg> gksu gksu doesn't work
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| 09:53 | <johnny> alkisg, how about gksu gksu gksu?
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| 09:53 | hehe
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| 09:53 | <alkisg> Heh
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| 09:53 | <johnny> jk
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| 09:53 | <alkisg> But seriously, I think that's the problem there...
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| 09:53 | <sbalneav> my original point was: gksu is broken.
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| 09:54 | <johnny> alkisg, you didn't specify which distro
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| 09:54 | sbalneav, it could just be standard distro churn during these turbulant times of the cycle?
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| 09:54 | <alkisg> johnny: on the one where sbalneav has the problem :)
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| 09:54 | <johnny> ah.. you're running a lucid alpha?
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| 09:54 | <sbalneav> yes.
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| 09:54 | <alkisg> Yup. It does work on previous versions.
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| 09:54 | <johnny> i was asking alkisg sbalneav
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| 09:54 | i know you were :)
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| 09:55 | are you both running the same alpha tho?
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| 09:55 | or same amount of updated one.. :(
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| 09:55 | <alkisg> johnny: erm... does that *really* matter?
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| 09:55 | <sbalneav> I was testing on Lucid alpha, that's where it breaks
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| 09:55 | works fine on Karmic
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| 09:55 | <alkisg> gksu gksu ls is broken on Lucid, works on Karmic
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| 09:55 | <johnny> alkisg, try looking up a bug?
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| 09:55 | <alkisg> So it isn't a sabayon problem, end of story...
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| 09:56 | <johnny> yes, i don't think it ever was..
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| 09:56 | <sbalneav> So, I'll have to fix gksu
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| 09:56 | <alkisg> But sbalneav could work around it if he wants, but doing an "if I'm root don't call gksu"
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| 09:56 | <johnny> sbalneav, or wait for somebody else to fix it?
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| 09:56 | <alkisg> ...and leave it broken for others to fix it ;)
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| 09:56 | <sbalneav> johnny: We saw how well that works for sabayon. And my printing bugs. :)
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| 09:56 | <johnny> there are still plenty of apps that do require gksu
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| 09:57 | gksu is different
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| 09:57 | quite a bit more things require it
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| 09:57 | <alkisg> Ah it's on the Exec line, so the .desktop file should be changed too...
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| 09:57 | <johnny> the userbase for sabayon is tiny..
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| 09:57 | the userbase for gksu is 100%
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| 09:57 | on ubuntu anyways..
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| 09:58 | /me is ignoring the possibility that they might have ported all the gnome adminish things to policykit already)
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| 09:58 | that seems unlikely tho
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| 09:58 | probably only most..
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| 10:54 | <sbalneav> johnny: yep, as I suspected, in ubuntu-devel
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| 10:54 | ScottK> sbalneav: You should probably be looking at policykit integration, not gksu. I believe the goal is to not have any default sudo rights in Ubuntu Lucid.
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| 10:54 | IOW, "We don't want to fix something broken, we'd rather you just re-write your entire app"
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| 10:55 | <johnny> sbalneav, you mean as i suspected :)
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| 10:55 | i told you that's what was happening :)
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| 10:56 | they consider the concept of gksu broken sbalneav .. it's not the same thing as the app itself being broken
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| 10:56 | but i'm suprised the think they can port all the users of gksu
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| 10:56 | somebody must have either modiied gksu, or created something like it by now
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| 10:56 | that happens to use policykit internally
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| 10:56 | perhaps that is what you should be looking for instead of rewriting sabayon
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| 10:57 | s/the think/they think/
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| 10:57 | <sbalneav> Oh, I already KNEW that was going to be ubuntu's flipping answer
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| 10:57 | <johnny> it's not a bug.. it's a feature :)
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| 10:58 | http://live.gnome.org/gksu
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| 10:58 | <sbalneav> But going to policy kit requires large amount of app rewrites, and, if I'm not mistaken, having the app be dbus aware.
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| 10:58 | <johnny> "Still, we still have applications which are not written to take advantage of the PolicyKit framework, and since making applications use it usually involves structural changes, a new version of gksu will provide functionality similar to the one provided by the current gksu to cover applications which still haven't been patched to use PolicyKit. "
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| 10:58 | <sbalneav> sabayon doesn't know anything about dbus
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| 10:58 | <johnny> isn't that exactly what you want? perhaps you should see how they are doing
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| 11:00 | <sbalneav> Well, and THAT means packaging ANOTHER program to get it into lucid, blah blah etc etc.
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| 11:01 | Like, at what point do I just say, "you know what, I just don't care anymore?"
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| 11:01 | <johnny> perhaps you can farm it out to somebody else..? like vincent? :)
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| 11:02 | <moldy> yes, policykit requires dbus
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| 11:03 | <moldy> also, last time i checked, there where languages (at least, python) that were lacking sufficiently sophisticated policykit bindings for some scenarios
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| 11:03 | <johnny> moldy, just like gio initially..
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| 11:03 | or rather gnome-vfs vs gvfs
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| 11:03 | python bindings just weren't there for awhile
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| 11:04 | <moldy> sure, i just wanted to support the "requires large rewrites" statement
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| 11:04 | <johnny> moldy, thus the version of gksu that uses policykit
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| 11:04 | <sbalneav> See, and this is what drives me bonkers.
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| 11:04 | <johnny> sbalneav, and thus the version of gksu that uses policykit :)
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| 11:04 | so you don't have to do it all at once
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| 11:04 | the only real problem here is that it doesn't already work
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| 11:05 | cuz if if it did, you woudln't have even noticed you had a problem
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| 11:05 | <sbalneav> So, I EITHER have to rewrite large chunks of my app to suddenly turn sabayon into a fully dbus aware application, using policy kit that some moron has decreed is the New World Order (TM)
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| 11:05 | <johnny> sbalneav, if it is already slated to be included in gnome, then perhaps you're just worrying too earlier
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| 11:05 | the new gksu that is..
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| 11:06 | developers on early gnome releases often face these issues
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| 11:06 | plus it wasn't just some moron..
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| 11:06 | alot of people decided it.. not just some moron :)
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| 11:06 | <sbalneav> Slated to be included in gnome, when? In time for Lucid?
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| 11:06 | <alkisg> sbalneav: face the facts. You just have to file a bug against gksu :P ;)
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| 11:06 | <johnny> sbalneav, aren't you interested in privilege seperation? that's what policykit allows to happen.. you can't do that with gksu..
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| 11:07 | <sbalneav> No, I'm NOT interested in priv separation
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| 11:07 | <johnny> well most people are
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| 11:07 | that's one reason that policykit exists..
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| 11:07 | <sbalneav> I'm interested in GETTING AN APP RUNNING SO TEACHERS CAN MANAGE THEIR CLASSROOMS
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| 11:07 | <johnny> sure.. but you know the platform is still evolving..
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| 11:07 | sometimes things break
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| 11:08 | <sbalneav> Right, and as seems to be the case these days, we're breaking old stuff before the new stuff works.
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| 11:08 | <johnny> the real problem is not that you need to use a new thing..
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| 11:08 | <johnny> but that this new gksu isn't already ready
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| 11:08 | <johnny> sbalneav, and really.. you could blame ubuntu for ditching gksu
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| 11:08 | too early
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| 11:09 | not the fact that eventually you'll need to port to policykit
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| 11:09 | <sbalneav> That's who I AM blaming
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| 11:09 | But what does policy kit BUY me?
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| 11:09 | what VALUE does it add to me?
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| 11:09 | <johnny> privilege seperation, less code running as root, more granular settings
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| 11:09 | like that thing that happened with fedora
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| 11:09 | <sbalneav> That adds no value
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| 11:09 | <johnny> now you can theoretically say
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| 11:09 | <sbalneav> at least to sabayon.
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| 11:09 | <johnny> users can install hardware drivers automatically
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| 11:10 | to sabayon.. it means that users could create profiles and save them without having root privileges on that machine
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| 11:10 | and then copy the profile to a machine that does have proper privs
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| 11:10 | and have it deploy
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| 11:11 | <sbalneav> johnny: it doesn't mean that at all!
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| 11:11 | <johnny> not with the current design, but it could
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| 11:11 | and should
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| 11:11 | but since you didn't have to think about anything but root privs
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| 11:11 | <sbalneav> they'd still have to be granted policy kit permissions to be allowed to do that, same as they would with sudo
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| 11:11 | <johnny> they didn't write it that way
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| 11:11 | sure.. but only for deployment.. not just for profile creation
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| 11:11 | that's how it could/should work anyways
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| 11:12 | profile creation SHOULD NOT require root
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| 11:12 | <sbalneav> why not?
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| 11:12 | <johnny> i just told you why.. in case i'm building a profile i don't have root rights on
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| 11:12 | <sbalneav> Why would you want unpriv'd users creating profiles?
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| 11:12 | <johnny> to deploy to another machine where i do
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| 11:12 | not deploying them..
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| 11:12 | creating them
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| 11:12 | the deploy should obviously require root privs..
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| 11:13 | <sbalneav> but to create them, you have to save them in /etc/sabayon/profiles
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| 11:13 | <johnny> why?
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| 11:13 | why not allow user to save to their home to copy elsewhere
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| 11:13 | unless they use the policykit unlock feature
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| 11:13 | <sbalneav> Who's going to write all this wonderful stuff?
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| 11:13 | <johnny> that's not the point :)
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| 11:13 | the point is i'm telling you why
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| 11:13 | it's useful for sabayon
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| 11:13 | or could be
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| 11:13 | <sbalneav> it is EXACTLY the point
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| 11:14 | <johnny> no.. it isn't..
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| 11:14 | you don't have to do all that
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| 11:14 | <sbalneav> it is totally, exactly and PRECISELY the point
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| 11:14 | <johnny> noody is asking you to
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| 11:14 | and it's obviously not necessary.. only a nicety
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| 11:14 | <sbalneav> Dude, I'
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| 11:14 | <johnny> i was only explaining why it might be useful
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| 11:14 | <johnny> not that you have to do anything
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| 11:14 | <sbalneav> I'm going to be FORCED to, seeing as how GKSU doesn't work
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| 11:15 | <johnny> sbalneav, force ubuntu to include the new gksu
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| 11:15 | or they don't get sabayon
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| 11:15 | put the new gksu in your ppa
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| 11:15 | problem solved :)
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| 11:15 | <johnny> if they won't include it in lucid that is..
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| 11:15 | <sbalneav> and we're back to my orginal point.
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| 11:15 | <johnny> but maybe they will include it in lucid
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| 11:15 | ask the guy who quoted you that piece about policykit earlier
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| 11:15 | <sbalneav> that I now have yet another problem I have to fix
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| 11:15 | <johnny> about including that new gksu
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| 11:15 | maybe they will do the work
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| 11:15 | and you won't have to
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| 11:16 | <alkisg> johnny: isn't the new gksu what causes the problem?
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| 11:16 | I.e. PK as the backend instead of sudo/
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| 11:16 | <johnny> alkisg, no
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| 11:16 | <alkisg> ?
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| 11:16 | <johnny> wait.. does the newgksu already includde it?
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| 11:16 | the one in lucid?
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| 11:16 | <sbalneav> I think so
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| 11:16 | that's what's broken
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| 11:16 | <johnny> oh.. then you can make it work then :)
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| 11:16 | they will fix that before release
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| 11:16 | so don't worry your pretty little head for now .. just wait for them to fix it.. you're not the only one with this issue i can guarnatee it..
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| 11:17 | <johnny> i thought they had to add the new version with pk.. and they only screwed up the old one
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| 11:17 | now.. it just sounds like they need to add the pk entry to the PolicyKit db.. and you'll be good to go
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| 11:17 | <sbalneav> No, I think by default it's the new one.
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| 11:18 | <johnny> you can force this wtih one line in the config if you really need it working now
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| 11:18 | <johnny> basically to enable everything
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| 11:18 | <dx9s_work> does https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSPKarmicLocalAppsFirefox work for anybody ?? I tried and I don't think the ltsp-update-image is updating based on the /var/.../lts.conf file correctly
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| 11:18 | <johnny> it doesn't update based on the lts.conf file :)
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| 11:18 | never has
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| 11:18 | <sbalneav> I think I'm just going to solve this by posing an email in edubuntu-devel stating that if they want to test, they need to use sudo.
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| 11:18 | <johnny> sbalneav, good choice
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| 11:19 | they will fix the pk entry before release.. so just sit back instead of getting upset :)
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| 11:19 | <sbalneav> I got 5 bucks here says they won't
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| 11:19 | Wanna take me up on it? :)
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| 11:19 | <johnny> sbalneav, 5 canadian dollars?
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| 11:19 | <sbalneav> 5 US dollars
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| 11:19 | <johnny> ok
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| 11:19 | ou got it
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| 11:19 | <sbalneav> Done.
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| 11:19 | <johnny> 10?
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| 11:19 | i'll do 20..
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| 11:20 | /me ups the stakes
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| 11:20 | <sbalneav> Gonna make it out to the next LTSP hackfest?
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| 11:20 | <johnny> do you have paypal?
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| 11:20 | <sbalneav> Yep.
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| 11:20 | Make it out to the hackfest. You can drink free on me :)
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| 11:20 | <johnny> hehe
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| 11:20 | you're lucky i don't drink much
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| 11:20 | <dx9s_work> what is this all about.. what fix (or not) are they going (or not going) to do?!
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| 11:20 | <johnny> 2 drinks
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| 11:21 | <dx9s_work> PolicyKit ... ah.. never used it
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| 11:21 | <johnny> dx9s_work, i'm betting sbalneav they will make gksu behave like it used to
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| 11:21 | dx9s_work, yes you do.. if you're using any distro newer than jaunty
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| 11:21 | <sbalneav> johnny: Dude, if you're going to get free drinks, at a MINIMUM you ask for the 20 year old bottle of scotch :)
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| 11:21 | <johnny> you just don't realize it
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| 11:21 | <dx9s_work> heh prolly
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| 11:22 | <johnny> sbalneav, because i like beer.. :)
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| 11:22 | if we're in pdx.. they had some good beers at the lucky lab
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| 11:22 | <sbalneav> So do I
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| 11:22 | <dx9s_work> I'll be happen when I get the LOCAL_APPS stuff working as demo'ed in some of the wiki pages..
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| 11:22 | <johnny> 2 beers there will do it :) i'll be drunk
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| 11:22 | <sbalneav> Yeah, the lab was great
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| 11:22 | <sbalneav> I really enjoyed that bar
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| 11:23 | <dx9s_work> I hacked my own a while ago by being able to pass stuff on the kernel command line (8.04 I think) and a custom init.d script.. but now I see some LOCAL_APP thing and can't seem to get it to work
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| 11:23 | <johnny> what exactly is your problem?
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| 11:23 | what's not working?
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| 11:23 | this "I tried and I don't think the ltsp-update-image is updating based on the /var/.../lts.conf file correctly" doesn't make sense
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| 11:24 | <sbalneav> I can't even think about how you'd provide dbus services for sabayon. You need to provide an entire login session + desktop.
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| 11:24 | <johnny> ltsp-update-image and lts.conf in tftpboot have nothing to do with each other
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| 11:24 | <dx9s_work> well the lts.conf file in /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/lts.conf ... it doesn't seem to be reading that where EVER it is done
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| 11:24 | <johnny> can you prove it? :)
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| 11:24 | <dx9s_work> welp.. it doesn't prompt for a local app menu for one thing
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| 11:24 | <johnny> dx9s_work, open up a terminal on your thin clien
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| 11:25 | type ltsp-localapp xterm
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| 11:25 | and then getltscfg -a
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| 11:25 | <Gadi> dx9s_work: by default, you should be able to run: "ltsp-localapps xterm" from a shell within your ldm session
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| 11:25 | <johnny> if you see stuff, then you have it right
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| 11:25 | <Gadi> see if that works
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| 11:25 | <johnny> Gadi, i'm on it buddy :)
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| 11:25 | <Gadi> cool
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| 11:25 | sorry
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| 11:25 | was bouncing around
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| 11:25 | <dx9s_work> bbiab.. will try xterm via that process.. I was following https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSPKarmicLocalAppsFirefox for firefox
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| 11:25 | <Gadi> and read the last line
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| 11:25 | <johnny> you do bounch :)
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| 11:25 | <Gadi> :)
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| 11:25 | <johnny> like a ball
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| 11:26 | dx9s_work, this is how to test whether local apps work at all
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| 11:26 | xterm is the simplest most useful app to test with
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| 11:26 | getltscfg -a within the opened up xterm that is..
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| 11:26 | <dx9s_work> do I enable thin client root or something? or first try ltsp-localapp xterm (then a update-image)
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| 11:26 | <johnny> huh?
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| 11:27 | you already installed firefox and updated image.. you're done
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| 11:27 | no need to update image anymore
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| 11:27 | <dx9s_work> I followed https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSPKarmicLocalAppsFirefox .. and it doesn't work
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| 11:27 | <johnny> you're not listening
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| 11:27 | just do as i suggested
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| 11:27 | <dx9s_work> there is obviously somethign I have to do before that
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| 11:27 | <johnny> log into your thin client, open up a terminal, type ltsp-localapps xterm
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| 11:28 | does another terminal pop up
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| 11:28 | if not.. local apps are not working
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| 11:28 | <johnny> if it does, try typing firefox at that terminal
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| 11:29 | dx9s_work, i had a problem here, i just don't know if it is effecting you or not , since i'm on jaunty
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| 11:29 | <dx9s_work> okay... not working because there is something that seems obvious to you that isn't clear to me that isn't documented on https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSPKarmicLocalAppsFirefox
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| 11:29 | <johnny> dx9s_work, listen to what i said :)
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| 11:29 | if you're not gonna listen, i'm gonna stop trying to help you
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| 11:29 | <dx9s_work> okay.. I'll tell you what I've done so far...
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| 11:29 | <johnny> no
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| 11:29 | first try this
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| 11:30 | log into a thin client
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| 11:30 | go to Accessories | Terminal
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| 11:30 | type ltsp-localapps xterm
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| 11:30 | <dx9s_work> so log in remotely (aka from thin via ssh to server...) and type that as normal user or admin !?
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| 11:30 | <johnny> no
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| 11:30 | go to one o your thin clients
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| 11:30 | login as usual
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| 11:31 | /me is assuming you do have thin clients already
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| 11:31 | via the gui :)
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| 11:31 | log in as usual via teh gui
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| 11:31 | <dx9s_work> yes.. I started w/ a new build and then followed steps on that web page... exactly
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| 11:31 | <johnny> that's fine
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| 11:31 | but why aren't you doing what i said?
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| 11:32 | <dx9s_work> okay... a local xterm appears to have started..
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| 11:32 | <johnny> does it say xterm (on somehostname) ?
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| 11:32 | or (on some ip )
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| 11:32 | <dx9s_work> and firefox loads from xterm
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| 11:32 | <johnny> what is in the title bar of the xterm
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| 11:32 | <dx9s_work> name of the thin
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| 11:32 | <johnny> like the hostname ?
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| 11:32 | <dx9s_work> ltsp21
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| 11:32 | <johnny> sweet
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| 11:33 | that means firefox will load loally :)
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| 11:33 | <dx9s_work> my point is how to get the menu working
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| 11:33 | <johnny> locally
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| 11:33 | those instructions are the same ones i followed btw.. they work for jaunty as well
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| 11:33 | lemme get my config
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| 11:34 | <dx9s_work> did you put the .conf inside the i386 build or tftpboot ?
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| 11:35 | <johnny> mine is in the i386 build.. but only because my dhcp server is broken and isn't passing out the right thing the second time around
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| 11:35 | i'm not using the standard dhcp server which works fine
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| 11:35 | dx9s_work, in that local xterm, type getltscfg -a
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| 11:35 | do you see the exact contents of the lts.conf file youcreated?
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| 11:35 | <dx9s_work> for whatever reason the /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf wants it in tftpboot .. I should just ignore it and put into the image
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| 11:35 | <johnny> no
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| 11:35 | you should use the /var/lib
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| 11:35 | type getltscfg -a
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| 11:35 | does it show you the right stuff?
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| 11:36 | <dx9s_work> it looks like it has it the settings read from /var/.../lts.conf
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| 11:36 | <johnny> see.. you're fine with that
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| 11:37 | btw.. these are the exact settings from my working config
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| 11:37 | <dx9s_work> so where is LOCAL_APPS_MENU=TRUE produce any this menu
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| 11:37 | <johnny> LOCAL_APPS_MENU=Y
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| 11:37 | LOCAL_APPS_MENU_ITEMS=firefox
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| 11:37 | it doesn't provide a menu, it modifies your current menu
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| 11:37 | <dx9s_work> any/this menu ?
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| 11:37 | <johnny> it overrides the one in your /home
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| 11:37 | you don't get a seperate LOCAL APPS menu
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| 11:37 | if that is what you mean?
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| 11:38 | <dx9s_work> oh .. it intergates local and remote
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| 11:38 | integrates
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| 11:38 | <johnny> if you think the wiki is unclear about that, go ahead and update it, i'm sure it would help other people
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| 11:38 | <dx9s_work> interesting ... it would have been more interesting it that was described clearly in some local_apps fundamental explanation
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| 11:39 | <johnny> well.. it'sn ot really fundamental..
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| 11:39 | you should probably read the exact documentation for the ocnfiguration vars
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| 11:39 | dx9s_work, try reading the actual ltsp docs vs the ubuntu wiki.. which is obviously somewhat unofficial
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| 11:39 | <dx9s_work> the hack I did bypassed any login and started X and pushed firefox or vlc directly ... I had interesting "video terminal" (via broadcast) thing I hacked...
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| 11:39 | <johnny> !ldocs
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| 11:39 | <ltspbot`> johnny: Error: "ldocs" is not a valid command.
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| 11:40 | <johnny> !docs
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| 11:40 | <ltspbot`> johnny: "docs" :: For the most current documentation, see https://sourceforge.net/apps/mediawiki/ltsp/index.php?title=Ltsp_LtspDocumentationUpstream
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| 11:40 | <johnny> dx9s_work, you can actually do that via lts.conf iirc.. as long asy ou write a SCREEN script for it
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| 11:40 | you could write a screen script for launching a specific app (which are often very small)
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| 11:40 | and then just SCREEN_07=yourscript
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| 11:41 | dx9s_work, but please read the official ltsp docs
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| 11:41 | <dx9s_work> and yourscript must be in the build image correct?
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| 11:41 | yeah.. I need to book mark the wiki on sf too
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| 11:44 | <johnny> yes
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| 11:44 | <dx9s_work> my hack 1-2 years ago was writing /etc/init.d/terminal.sh and get it the proper setting to run before anything X.. and scrap things off of the vmlinuz line, "terminal=vlc" or "terminal=rdp rdphost=serverx.localhost" or "terminal=firefox" (things like that)
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| 11:45 | I need to look at how the official way works... was able to make custom pxelinux.cfg and a text menu that selected thin/thick/which-terminal etc... but I see value in learning what is more offical
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| 11:46 | I also remember messing with CUPS via bootline
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| 11:52 | <johnny> ah.. you will still probably want to create a pxe config for what you're talking about.. at least for now
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| 12:02 | <sbalneav> johnny: ah, no. There IS a gksu-polkit, but it's currently uninstallable, at least on karmic, prolly due to this bug:
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| 12:03 | http://www.mail-archive.com/debian-bugs-dist@lists.debian.org/msg706930.html
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| 12:03 | <johnny> looks like it will be fixed then? :)
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| 12:03 | <sbalneav> I'll test and see tonight if it's been fixed in lucid. If not, I'll apply the fix to libgksu-polkit.
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| 12:04 | No, gksu's still broken
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| 12:04 | <sbalneav> this is gksu-polkit, which is different from gksu
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| 12:05 | <_UsUrPeR_> grr... I'm having issues with FC12 and booting a client. I am able to get dhcp working properly, it's pulling a proper IP, but tftp is failing. I have it enabled in /etc/xinetd.d/tftp, and I can see it listening with netstat -anp |grep 69. I have also disabled the firewall. Can anybody suggest anything?
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| 12:06 | also, I have bypassed ltspbr0, and used eth1 as the dhcp serving interface
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| 12:08 | * Lns waves | |
| 12:09 | <_UsUrPeR_> hey Lns
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| 12:09 | <Lns> hey _UsUrPeR_
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| 12:23 | <moldy> Lns: hey
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| 12:23 | <Lns> hey moldy =)
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| 13:01 | <dx9s_work> is it just me.. or does the first time a thin client (user) logs in.. access to desktop goes pretty fast.. but subsequent logins, the desktop takes quite a bit longer?
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| 13:02 | <Lns> dx9s_work, never seen that...usually it goes slow for the first time for me (setting up env/files) and after that it's faster..using ubuntu 8.04 still thou
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| 13:03 | <dx9s_work> 9.10
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| 13:03 | * alkisg uses 9.10 and hasn't observed that | |
| 13:05 | <moldy> what was the cause again for clients displaying squashfs errors instead of rebooting?
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| 13:05 | * dx9s_work goes and test some more | |
| 13:05 | <alkisg> moldy: reboot -f instead of -fp, fixed after karmic
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| 13:06 | <moldy> alkisg: thanks... trying -f
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| 13:06 | <alkisg> moldy: no, the opposite
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| 13:06 | -fp works, -f doesn't
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| 13:07 | <moldy> hmm
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| 13:07 | for me, when logged in via ssh, "reboot" does not work, "reboot -f" does
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| 13:07 | <alkisg> Well, reboot -fp should also work
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| 13:08 | <moldy> which effect does -p have?
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| 13:09 | it should have no effect when using "reboot", rather than "halt", right?
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| 13:13 | i just took a look
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| 13:13 | the code is not as bad as tcm's was :)
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| 13:16 | oops, wrong channel :)
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| 13:17 | <Lns> =p~
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| 15:13 | <sbalneav> johnny: just fyi, even if I WANTED to convert sabayon to polkit, which I've spend the better part of the day looking at, I can't. Doesn't seem to be any python polkit-1 bindings.
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| 15:14 | <johnny> yeah, that's what somebody said earlier
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| 15:14 | no bindings..
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| 15:14 | that's why we have stuff like gksu-polkit i guess
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| 15:14 | altho i don't see why it can't do the right thing.. as the same program..
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| 15:15 | <sbalneav> gksu-polkit on karmic's uninstallable
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| 15:15 | I'll try tonight on lucid
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| 15:16 | <johnny> sure.. but if gksu won't even work properly.. then why bother..
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| 15:16 | oh.. on karmic..
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| 15:19 | <alkisg> Has anyone tried ebox?
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| 15:35 | * vagrantc cringes at the sound of the words "ebox" | |
| 15:36 | <alkisg> vagrantc: I mean the ebox-platform, if you have something against it I'd appreciate it you shared it with me :)
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| 15:37 | ...as I'm trying to see if I want to start using it, or just write my own packages for server autoconfiguration...
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| 15:54 | <vagrantc> alkisg: ah, not the ebox2300 thin clients
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| 15:55 | <alkisg> Nope, sorry, I didn't express myself right :)
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