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| 09:05 | <lale> hi all, is there somebody available for support?
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| 10:36 | <work_alkisg> !ask | echo lale:
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| 10:36 | <ltsp`> lale: ask: Don't ask to ask a question, simply ask it, and if someone knows the answer, they'll respond. Please hang around for at least a full hour after asking a question, as not everybody constantly monitors the channel.
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| 10:52 | <lale> Ok thanks: so my problem is: we would like to have a single "boot server" to load the img and the root fs, but after the boot process we want to make the login to a specific machine. it is possible?
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| 11:05 | <work_alkisg> Yes, set LDM_SERVER=the login server ip
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| 11:05 | in lts.conf
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| 11:05 | !lts.conf
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| 11:05 | <ltsp`> lts.conf: http://manpages.ubuntu.com/lts.conf
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| 11:08 | <lale> so, in lts.cfg placed into /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386 i created a section with the mac address of the thin client i want to redirect and under this section i wrote LDM_SERVER=the login server ip. correct?
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| 11:08 | shoud i have to rebuild the image?
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| 11:09 | <work_alkisg> Which distribution are you using, and which version?
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| 11:09 | Also, it's lts.conf, not lts.cfg
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| 11:10 | <lale> i am using ubuntu 12.04 and yes, it is lts.conf
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| 11:11 | <work_alkisg> OK, then you should be ready to try it.
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| 11:12 | Make sure that you have a desktop environment and an ssh server in your login server
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| 11:15 | <lale> Thanks it seems working correctly! :)
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| 11:26 | now i have another question: can i stop nbd and tftp on the target host? probably i can stop tftp, but i am not sure about nbd
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| 11:32 | <work_alkisg> The boot server needs to have nbd-server running. And that's the only place where nbd-server is needed.
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| 11:33 | TFTP is only needed while the client boots, for a few seconds.
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| 11:52 | <lale> Thanks a lot again
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| 15:50 | <boom^time> Hello everyone. I'm setting up ubuntu 12.04.2 on some hardware running a gma3650 video chipset. This requires the gma500_gfx kernel module which is detected and auto setup when I run 12.04.2 off of a harddisk on the device. However if I run the device as a client to an LTSP server running 12.04.2 it will not detect/use the hardware.
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| 15:50 | Does anyone have any suggestions for me? I'm pretty stumped.
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| 15:52 | <boom^time> The correct kernel is being used, and the module exists for the device once I've logged in it just doesn't see the device in dmesg nor will use the module.
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| 15:53 | <workingcats> boom^time, are you certain the module is available in the client image?
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| 15:55 | <boom^time> I thought so, I logged in on the client and looked in /lib/modules and it exists there.
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| 15:56 | However when I look at the server under /opt/ltsp/i386/lib/modules it doesn't exist.
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| 15:57 | and I was under the impression that is where the image is built from. Sorry I'm still trying to wrap my head around LTSP.
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| 15:58 | <workingcats> hm strange
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| 15:58 | ah
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| 15:58 | strike that
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| 15:58 | try logging in as local root
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| 15:58 | <boom^time> It shows kernel modules from kernel 3.2 under opt/ltsp/i386/lib/modules
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| 15:58 | <workingcats> !screen_02
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| 15:58 | <ltsp`> screen_02: To get a root shell on an Ubuntu thin client: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/ClientTroubleshooting#Using_a_shell_SCREEN
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| 15:58 | <workingcats> (alternatively, chroot into the build root and run passwd, rebuild image, and reboot client)
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| 15:59 | check with lsmod if it loaded it, if not try to modprobe it
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| 16:02 | also, thin client or fat client?
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| 16:02 | because if its thin client then the /lib/modules you saw after login (assuming you meant a regular user login) was the /lib/modules of the server
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| 16:03 | <boom^time> thin client
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| 16:03 | Okay so they are not a part of the image then.
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| 16:04 | <workingcats> ah ok
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| 16:04 | i was hoping it was this, else i wouldnt know how to proceed hehe
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| 16:05 | okay so now just search for the command to find out which package owns a file in debian, run that on the module file on the server, chroot into the image, apt-get the package, exit the chroot, rebuild the image, done
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| 16:06 | <boom^time> Sounds easy enough. Thanks a lot workingcats I'll let you know how it goes.
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| 16:06 | <workingcats> yw
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| 17:07 | <boom^time> I chrooted into the image and updated the kernel and xorg-xserver to quantal. Then ran ltsp-update-kernels and updated the image. Now it's loading the kernel and the modules np but after login it hangs at the desktop and doesn't seem to want to load unity or anything.
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| 17:09 | workingcats, do you think I may have missed an intermediate step?
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| 17:10 | <workingcats> you updated just the kernel and xorg?
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| 17:10 | anything in .xsession-errors in the home dir of the user you're trying to log in?
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| 17:11 | <boom^time> gnome-session[22110]: WARNING: App 'compiz.desktop' respawning too quickly
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| 17:11 | gnome-session[22110]: WARNING: Application 'compiz.desktop' killed by signal
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| 17:11 | gnome-session[22110]: WARNING: App 'compiz.desktop' respawning too quickly
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| 17:11 | Failure: Module initalization failed
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| 17:11 | <workingcats> hm try something smaller first, like fluxbox
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| 17:11 | <boom^time> hmm. Time to figure out how to turn down compiz
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| 17:11 | <workingcats> or even just an xterm
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| 17:11 | i think there's a help for this..
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| 17:11 | !xterm
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| 17:11 | <ltsp`> I do not know about 'xterm', but I do know about these similar topics: 'localxterm'
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| 17:12 | <workingcats> hm no not what i was looking for
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| 17:12 | are you sure you want unity?
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| 17:12 | <boom^time> Yes
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| 17:13 | <workingcats> well in that case i'd start by trying to turn off all effects
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| 17:14 | <boom^time> agreed.
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| 17:17 | <workingcats> but i'd still try something small first to make sure login is actually working
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| 17:19 | back in 15
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| 17:19 | gonna continue this at home
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| 17:20 | <||cw> I'm pretty sure unity is known to have lots of issues on thin clients, you'll probably need to use thick clients instead
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| 17:22 | ubuntu has been slowly ditching support for old hardware, couple more releases and you'll probably need to have 3d accelerated video drivers
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| 17:22 | direct render in and all, which mean no thin client
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| 17:22 | unless ltsp can implement pcoip or something
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| 17:29 | <boom^time> Hmm okay. Yeah because unity 2d session works fine.
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| 17:52 | <||cw> dd they change their plans to drop 2D?
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| 17:53 | <||cw> hm, LLVMPipe
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| 17:53 | that work well with ltsp?
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| 17:54 | relevant, somewhat https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/compiz/+bug/1044436
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| 17:56 | I haven't tried newer versions yet, but my observations of the discussions here are that ubuntu unity is probably not going to be a viable option for ltsp going forward
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| 17:57 | ofcourse, i may have pissed some solution too
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| 17:57 | missed^
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| 18:09 | <boom^time> I'm not sure but 2d sessions still exist for 12.04
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| 18:10 | What's an easy way to add kernel options to an image for a thin client?
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| 18:14 | I need to disable lvds and I'm not sure how to add it.
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| 18:17 | nm I think I found it.
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| 18:24 | <||cw> in pxe
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| 18:38 | <boom^time> Yeah thanks I ended up finding it.
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| 18:39 | So what do you guys suggest as an alternative to unity for ubuntu? Is the classic package any good?
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| 20:00 | <jaredw> I'm at my wit's end...how can I set my fat clients default session to Lubuntu? I have lts.conf set with "LDM_SESSION=/usr/bin/startlubuntu"
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| 20:02 | When users try to login, it throws "failed to load default session", but if they manually select their session as lubuntu, it works fine
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| 20:08 | <vagrantc> i had a similar issue with xubuntu, well, technically a fork of xubuntu
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| 20:09 | jaredw: it's probably because one of the variables isn't set correctly...
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| 20:09 | * vagrantc looks for a more specific answer | |
| 20:09 | <jaredw> :)
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| 20:09 | I thought maybe permissions, but no dice there that I can see
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| 20:10 | <vagrantc> jaredw: on the server, i had to set up a file in /etc/X11/Xsession.d/60x11-force-session:
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| 20:10 | <jaredw> hmm
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| 20:10 | <vagrantc> test -z "$DESKTOP_SESSION" && export DESKTOP_SESSSION=lubuntu
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| 20:10 | or something like that
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| 20:11 | <jaredw> k gimmie a sec
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| 20:11 | <vagrantc> otherwise, it would only log in as xfce
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| 20:11 | and not apply the xubuntu tweaks
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| 20:11 | not sure if it's the same with lubuntu and lxde... but i suspect it might be
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| 20:14 | <jaredw> you already had that file /etc/X11/Xsession.d/60x11-forec-session ?
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| 20:14 | <vagrantc> no, i created it, actually use 60x10-force-session
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| 20:15 | <jaredw> ok
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| 20:15 | <vagrantc> might be better to do: test -n "$DESKTOP_SESSION" || export DESKTOP_SESSION=lubuntu
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| 20:15 | it's a little safer in case of error handling
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| 20:16 | jaredw: also, that presumes the .desktop file is named lubuntu.desktop ... haven't actually used lubuntu
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| 20:16 | <jaredw> actually I think it's Lubuntu.desktop
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| 20:17 | <vagrantc> then: export DESKTOP_SESSION=Lubuntu ... i think
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| 20:17 | tinker with it, hope it helps
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| 20:18 | <jaredw> alright will do, thanks
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| 20:18 | My test client is what I'm using, so brb lol
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| 20:22 | <jaredw> vagrantc: Are there log files I should be looking at?
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| 20:29 | <vagrantc> jaredw: /home/USERNAME/.xsession-errors might have something useful
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| 20:29 | but it often has alarming things of no real consequence, too
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| 20:30 | <jaredw> heh, ok
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| 20:31 | it looks like if I modify /etc/X11/xsession, I can set the default path for userxsession to be somewhere other than the user's home folder
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| 20:31 | Perhaps set it some folder in the chroot?
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| 20:33 | <vagrantc> well, /etc/X11/Xsession sources /etc/X11/Xsession.d/*, so generally better to create a snippet script in there
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| 20:33 | <jaredw> alright
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| 20:33 | <vagrantc> thin client or fat client?
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| 20:33 | <jaredw> fat
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| 20:34 | <vagrantc> ah, that's a little different then...
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| 20:34 | <jaredw> oh?
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| 20:34 | Need to modify the chroot?
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| 20:34 | <vagrantc> you'd need to edit /etc/X11/Xsession.d/ in the chroot
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| 20:34 | <jaredw> ok
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| 20:34 | <vagrantc> and update the image, and all that fun
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| 20:35 | <jaredw> lemme try your original idea right quick
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| 20:35 | brb
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| 20:35 | <vagrantc> i'm a bit distracted, and should probably focus elsewhere ... good luck!
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| 20:35 | <jaredw> thanks :)
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