IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.libera.chat (webchat)
Channel log from 6 February 2014 (all times are UTC)
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| 11:01 | <gbaman> alkisg, just set the server ip to 192.168.67.1, didnt work
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| 11:01 | does not seem to be acting as a DHCP server
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| 11:02 | <alkisg> It worked fine the last 2000 times I've done it :)
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| 11:02 | So it's some problem related to your specific installation, debug it with your local sysadmin...
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| 11:02 | <gbaman> i am on my own network
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| 11:02 | <gbaman> completely separate
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| 11:08 | <gbaman> anything wrong with that?
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| 11:08 | http://pastebin.com/7m7qSm0z
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| 11:09 | <alkisg> sudo netstat -nap|grep :67
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| 11:11 | <gbaman> yes, returns 0.0.0.0:67 and 6327/dnsmasq
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| 11:11 | am i missing something stupid? https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1122948/temp/ltsp-ip.jpeg
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| 11:14 | <alkisg> output of: nm-tool; egrep -rv '^#|^$' /etc/dnsmasq.*
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| 11:17 | <gbaman> wait, might have found the issue, the IP is stuck on another range..
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| 11:18 | oh, we are alive
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| 11:18 | weird...
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| 11:19 | network manager didnt update the IP when I changed it in there...
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| 11:19 | had to physically unplug the cable and plug it back in for it to apply the changes
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| 11:19 | <alkisg> You need to activate (click) the connection after editing it
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| 11:19 | <gbaman> weird...
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| 11:19 | ahh
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| 11:19 | didnt know that
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| 11:19 | is all working it seems now
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| 11:20 | thanks alkisg :)
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| 13:50 | <rkwesk> Ubuntu 12.04 4 thin clients boot ok but 3 clients fail to boot via nbd, telling me: "exported device is too big for me"
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| 13:52 | my kneejerk reaction is to think this message is not accurate and that some other problem is afoot
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| 13:55 | <rkwesk> the clients are an odd collection of pentium 3 's, each different from the last
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| 13:56 | all of them worked with Ubuntu 10.04 in the past.
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| 13:57 | <Hyperbyte> rkwesk, how much ram do the clients have?
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| 13:57 | <rkwesk> probably 128MB
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| 13:58 | <Hyperbyte> I think this was a problem with NBD configuration though.
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| 13:58 | Did you do an upgrade or reinstall?
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| 13:58 | <rkwesk> reinstall fresh
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| 13:58 | <Hyperbyte> Hrm.
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| 13:59 | <rkwesk> funny thing is some of 128MB do work
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| 13:59 | <Hyperbyte> Do you have a /etc/nbd-server/conf.d/ltsp_i386.conf file?
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| 13:59 | <rkwesk> yes, but right now i'm at home
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| 14:00 | <Hyperbyte> Well, that's going to make it a bit difficult, if you can't access the machine.
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| 14:01 | <rkwesk> yes, ok. thanks for thinking about it
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| 15:26 | <jmilot> Hello,
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| 15:26 | I would like to use ltsp without nfs
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| 15:27 | only nbd
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| 15:27 | how i can change this ?
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| 15:27 | <alkisg> Which distro/version?
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| 15:32 | <jmilot> I use debian wheezy
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| 15:32 | i find it 's slow with nfs ...
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| 15:35 | <alkisg> jmilot: `ltsp-config nbd-server` and `ltsp-update-image` should be enough...
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| 15:36 | <jmilot> thanks
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| 15:37 | do you think nfs can make ltsp slow ?
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| 15:37 | how i can test and improve it ?
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| 15:39 | <alkisg> Thin or fat clients?
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| 15:39 | nfs is about 5 times slower than nbd, yes
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| 15:39 | But it mostly affects fat clients
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| 15:39 | <jmilot> I use thin client
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| 15:40 | <alkisg> So it mostly affects their boot time, nothing more
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| 15:40 | <jmilot> and some fat client
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| 15:40 | <alkisg> Do you use localapps?
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| 15:40 | <jmilot> i think i don't see the difference between fat and thin client
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| 15:40 | no localapps
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| 15:43 | <jmilot> alkisg : i use some Wyse V90 and PC with pxe
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| 15:43 | and users say me it's slow
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| 15:52 | <alkisg> jmilot: check the cpu score in cpubenchmark.net
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| 15:53 | For good fat client experience the clients need 1 GB RAM and 1000 CPU score
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| 15:53 | I.e. the same as normal debian installations...
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| 15:54 | <jmilot> how i can make the test ?
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| 15:54 | <ogra_> and wrt nbd vs nfs ... the only speed-up you will see on thin clients is the boot ... once the login manager is loaded nothing comes from nbd/nfs anymore
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| 15:55 | (that is different on fat ones indeed)
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| 15:57 | <alkisg> jmilot: don't make the test, just google "cpu model" "cpubenchmark.net"
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| 15:58 | And check the results. Or just mention the model of your CPU, and how much RAM the clients have...
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| 15:58 | <jmilot> 1Gb RAM
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| 15:58 | cpu : VIA Nehemiah
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| 15:59 | <alkisg> http://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu_lookup.php?cpu=VIA+Nehemiah&id=1425
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| 15:59 | Slower than an atom... :)
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| 15:59 | So yeah that's a very low-performing fat client
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| 15:59 | (or low performing pc in general..)
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| 16:00 | <jmilot> what's the difference betwen fat and thin client ?
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| 16:00 | <alkisg> Thin clients use the server CPU, fat clients use their own CPU
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| 16:00 | For thins you need a good server, for fats you need good clients
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| 16:00 | Fats are better if you can afford them...
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| 16:03 | <jmilot> i use thin client i think
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| 16:09 | <jmilot> what is a good server for you?
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| 16:10 | <ogra_> lots and lots of ram
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| 16:10 | fast disks ... preferably RAID
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| 16:11 | and a beefy CPU
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| 16:11 | <jmilot> for know, i have 6Gb RAM, raid 5
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| 16:11 | 4CPU
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| 16:11 | <ogra_> how many users ?
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| 16:11 | <jmilot> it's a DELL PE 2850
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| 16:11 | 10 max
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| 16:11 | <ogra_> that should actually be fine
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| 16:12 | <jmilot> but i don't understand why they tell me it's slow ...
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| 16:12 | <ogra_> how fast is your network ?
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| 16:12 | on thinn clients usually the network is the limiting factor
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| 16:13 | <jmilot> Gb
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| 16:13 | <ogra_> the clients have GB NICs ?
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| 16:13 | <jmilot> and some clients have 100Mb
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| 16:13 | <ogra_> hmm, that should be ok
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| 16:19 | <jmilot> mount home with nfs in thin client could make it slow ?
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| 16:20 | <alkisg> !flash
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| 16:20 | <ltsp> flash: Yes, flash sucks. An HD full screen 30 fps video needs 2.5 Gbps bandwidth (1920×1080×4×30)! Make sure you have LDM_DIRECTX=True in your lts.conf file, or if it's just youtube you're after, try some flash replacing plugin like http://linterna-magica.nongnu.org
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| 16:20 | <alkisg> Thin clients need at most 2.5 gbps per client
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| 16:20 | So 25 gbps for 10 clients :P
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| 16:21 | <alkisg> But OK 10 clients with a quad core cpu on a gigabit network... 4-5 of them should be able to visit youtube with some ad blocker etc
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| 16:21 | Non-full screen though
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| 16:22 | For thin clients, nfs vs nbd doesn't make any real difference, so don't bother with that
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| 16:25 | <jmilot> they use icedove, iceweasel and also libreoffice
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| 16:29 | <alkisg> Browsing is needed in 99% of the cases, and in 99% of the cases it's the most demanding application, so it's usually not needed to ask people what are they using Linux for... :)
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| 16:56 | <jmilot> linterna magica , works fine ?
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| 16:58 | <alkisg> No idea
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| 17:00 | <jmilot> it seems it doesn't work :$
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| 21:27 | <derekn> Can anyone tell me how to install the proprietary nvidia drivers to an ltsp image in ubuntu 12.04?
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| 21:42 | <JuJuBee> Can I change the logo/image on the login screen?
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| 21:43 | <vagrantc> you can create a theme and set it using LDM_THEME
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| 21:44 | look in /opt/ltsp/*/usr/share/ldm/themes/ for example themes
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| 21:46 | <JuJuBee> So is the LTSP part of a graphic?
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| 21:48 | <vagrantc> i think there's a logo, a background, and i forget what all else.
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| 21:48 | experiment! :)
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| 22:10 | <JuJuBee> Do i need to rewrite the image after editing the logo.png?
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| 22:11 | <vagrantc> if you're using NBD, yes.
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| 22:15 | <JuJuBee> Sorry to ask this, I set this ltsp server up some time ago, how do I know?
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| 22:17 | <vagrantc> !release
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| 22:17 | <ltsp> release: please mention the linux distro and release you're using :)
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| 22:17 | <JuJuBee> sorry, Ubuntu 13.04
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| 22:17 | <vagrantc> it's probably NBD, yes.
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| 22:17 | unless you went out of youur way to use NFS
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| 22:19 | <JuJuBee> I don't think so
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| 22:19 | I will update-image and check
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| 23:12 | Thanks, working nicely
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| 23:57 | <vagrantc> !alkisg-todo
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| 23:57 | <ltsp> alkisg-todo: (#1) upload fixed nbd-server package in the PPA, or (#2) LDM password hash, or (#3) Check ltsp bugs in debian.org, or (#4) ltsp-config aoe (for swap too), or (#5) Hooks for running scripts on these phases: INITRD/INIT/RC/DM/AUTH/LOGIN/SESSION/PERIODIC/LOGOUT/SHUTDOWN, or (#6) "support logind for fat clients"
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