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Channel log from 30 March 2008 (all times are UTC)
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| 01:33 | <vagrantc> warren: i probably shouldn't have said anything regarding the selinux thingy. i just don't know enough about it to really know what is proper.
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| 08:27 | <petre> morning all
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| 09:07 | <jammcq> laprag: hey!
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| 09:09 | <petre> is ltsp-vmclient a fedora creation or an ltsp creation?
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| 09:10 | <warren> petre, well, first created on fedora. vagrantc and I intend on making it more general to directly support non-kvm VM's.
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| 09:10 | vagrantc, /selinux is a VFS like /proc or /sys, if you are not using selinux then /selinux/enabled wont exist.
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| 09:10 | <petre> it's really cool!--except I can't login via it
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| 09:11 | <jammcq> warren: but, as the last line in a shell script, if the file doesn't exist, the script returns a failure
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| 09:12 | as a script returns the return value of the last command in it
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| 09:12 | <laprag> jammcq: ho
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| 09:13 | <jammcq> laprag: where you at these days?
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| 09:13 | <laprag> just on my way out the door bound for sunny Florida
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| 09:13 | <warren> jammcq, ok I didn't know that, why didn't anyone complain earlier?
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| 09:13 | <vagrantc> warren: i figured as much, but i just don't know enough about how selinux is supposed to work to comment on gvy's comments.
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| 09:14 | <jammcq> warren: shigoran did, on the mailing list
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| 09:14 | <warren> it isn't the last line of the script
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| 09:14 | not sure how "done" is treated though
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| 09:14 | [ -e /selinux/enforce ] && /sbin/restorecon -R $TFTPDIR &> /dev/null || :
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| 09:14 | <jammcq> dunno, but it should be easy to test
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| 09:14 | <warren> is this better?
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| 09:14 | <jammcq> oooh, combining ANDs and ORs
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| 09:14 | ick
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| 09:15 | <warren> || : is a very standard shell script thing
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| 09:15 | <jammcq> yeah, I use it too
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| 09:15 | <wwx> google earth with x terminal, anybody tried this?
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| 09:15 | <vagrantc> at that point, it should probably just go multi-line.
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| 09:15 | <warren> "if everything previously to this fails, return zero"
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| 09:15 | <jammcq> but not on the same line as &&
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| 09:15 | <warren> vagrantc, the line is still obviously correct
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| 09:16 | <vagrantc> warren: technially yes. stylistically, i think it would be easier to read on multiple lines.
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| 09:16 | <warren> vagrantc, and the reason I use -e instead of -f most everywhere is because I intentionally want to check for file or symlink.
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| 09:16 | <vagrantc> warren: -f handles file the way one would expect.
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| 09:16 | <warren> -f is true on symlink too?
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| 09:17 | <vagrantc> warren: i.e. if the file that the symlink points to is there, it's true, if it's not there, it returns false.
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| 09:17 | <warren> oh
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| 09:17 | <vagrantc> -e also returns true for directories.
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| 09:17 | which is often a bad thing.
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| 09:17 | <warren> the bash man page isn't clear
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| 09:17 | I used to use -a, which turns out also stands for "ambiguous" =)
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| 09:18 | <vagrantc> heh
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| 09:18 | <petre> brb
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| 09:18 | <vagrantc> the tricky part is, if you want to test if a file exists to not overwrite, you basically need to do both -f and -d ...
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| 09:18 | if you want to be perfect...
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| 09:19 | <warren> I wonder how many people will remember that we have a LTSP meeting in 43 minutes here.
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| 09:19 | <vagrantc> we do?!
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| 09:20 | <warren> vagrantc, well, fedora LTSP
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| 09:20 | vagrantc, training them in using the source repo, editing stuff, building RPMS and testing it
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| 09:21 | <vagrantc> warren: ah, cool.
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| 09:22 | <warren> petre, you here for the meeting too?
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| 09:22 | anyone else here?
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| 09:23 | dan_young, hey dan
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| 09:24 | jammcq, if I don't use || : how do I return true without exiting the loop?
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| 09:24 | jammcq, I guess exit 0 after done...
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| 09:25 | <jammcq> yeah, you could always make sure 'exit 0' is the last line
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| 09:25 | i've done that, but somehow it seems dirty
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| 09:30 | <petre> I'm back
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| 09:30 | warren, yes I am
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| 09:30 | here for the meeting
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| 09:31 | <warren> petre, do you have a working install of ltsp5 on fedora?
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| 09:32 | <warren> petre, (did ltsp-build-client and the setup instructions work?)
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| 09:32 | <petre> well, not quite: I can get the login via ltsp-vmclient
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| 09:33 | <warren> petre, that's likely a network setup proble
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| 09:33 | <petre> but when I try to login I get an error, something about 'this workstation not authorized' or some such
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| 09:33 | <warren> oh
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| 09:33 | <petre> let me try it again...
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| 09:33 | <warren> petre, so you see ldm in ltsp-vmclient?
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| 09:33 | <petre> yes, looks great
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| 09:33 | <warren> liar
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| 09:33 | it is ugly =)
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| 09:34 | <petre> well, allowing customization of it would be great, but I'm just ticked it comes up atm
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| 09:34 | I'm running it on f8, couldn't get f9 beta installed
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| 09:34 | <warren> petre, it is possible that your ltspbr0 wasn't running when you ran ltsp-build-client?
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| 09:34 | petre, try ltsp-update-sshkeys then run ltsp-vmclient from scratch again
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| 09:35 | <petre> probably, since the steps in your install notes have bringing up ltspbr0 occurring after ltsp-build-client
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| 09:36 | <warren> petre, do you have wiki editing access?
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| 09:36 | <petre> I just followed the steps blindly, since it's my first time through them
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| 09:36 | no, can probably signup for it tho
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| 09:36 | <warren> petre, oh, you can also "chkconfig network on" which will bring up ltspbr0 automatically
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| 09:37 | <dan_young> warren: hey, still doing some daddy duty
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| 09:37 | <warren> k
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| 09:37 | <cyberorg> 'this workstation not authorized' is due to missing ssh_known_hosts
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| 09:37 | <petre> cliebow was coming too, wasn't he?
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| 09:38 | <warren> well, we'll see whoever shows up
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| 09:38 | I'm going to take a quick shower, brb.
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| 09:38 | <petre> warren, take your laptop w/you, just in case
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| 09:39 | cyberorg, does ltsp-update-sshkeys create ssh_known_hosts?
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| 09:39 | <cyberorg> petre, yes
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| 09:41 | <petre> hm, ltsp-vmclient stops at boot: prompt now, although hitting Enter gets it going again
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| 09:55 | <petre> ltsp-vmclient seems a bit...unstable
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| 09:56 | can't alway Ctrl-Alt out of it
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| 09:56 | s/alway/always/
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| 09:57 | <warren> petre, what version?
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| 09:57 | <petre> warren, of what? ltsp-vmclient?
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| 09:58 | <warren> petre, kvm
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| 10:00 | <petre> kvm-63-2.fc8
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| 10:01 | <warren> petre, hm, I never see that mysef.
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| 10:02 | <petre> the login took the ID & PW this time, but then locked up
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| 10:02 | well, I should perhaps mention that I'm ssh-ed into the fc8 box and calling ltsp-vmclient from there
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| 10:03 | IOW, not logged in at the console and calling it
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| 10:03 | <warren> bingo
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| 10:03 | I doubt upstream tests that
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| 10:03 | <ilmarga> Hi, I'm having some problem booting my client with LTSP5. With LTSP 4.2 everything was fine. The problem is the NFS is on a different machine different from the DHCP+TFTP. In 4.2 I was using this syntax " 192.168.10.193:/opt/ltspi386" in my DHCP root-path configuration, but It gave me the nfsmount error. While googling I discovered this syntax isn't supported by LTSP5.
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| 10:03 | I added to dnsmasq.conf the option 66 "192.168.10.193" (with ") but it is not working, the client still tries to connect to the DHCP. Is it possible to use another server as NFS server in LTSP5? (I'm usign Debian etch).
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| 10:03 | <warren> it plays weird X grab games.
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| 10:03 | <petre> yeah, that's what it seems like
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| 10:04 | <warren> OK, it is time. Who is here for the LTSP Fedora Development Training?
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| 10:04 | <petre> was scrambling yesterday to get fc8 installed on my laptop here, but couldn't get it done (got partition issues)
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| 10:04 | * ivazquez is here to listen in | |
| 10:04 | * dan_young is here | |
| 10:04 | <warren> It seems that the wiki is broken so I couldn't put training instructions there.
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| 10:04 | <petre> I am
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| 10:04 | <timborn> present
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| 10:05 | <petre> yes, wiki won't let me create a profile
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| 10:05 | <warren> OK has everyone here installed ltsp-server and run ltsp-build-client?
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| 10:05 | <petre> yes
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| 10:06 | <warren> dan_young, ?
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| 10:06 | <dan_young> I'm 768/128k on a non-VT enabled box at home, so not quite there, but I can follow along reasonably well
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| 10:06 | <ivazquez> Not I, but I'll play along at home.
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| 10:06 | <warren> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/K12Linux/InstallGuide the instructions here somewhat work
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| 10:06 | I wasn't able to update them.
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| 10:06 | everyone have bzr installed?
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| 10:06 | yum install bzr
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| 10:07 | https://code.launchpad.net/~ltsp-upstream/ltsp/ltsp-trunk
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| 10:07 | Here you can conveniently see the history of the ltsp-trunk tree.
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| 10:08 | You can see "Download URL: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ltsp-upstream/ltsp/ltsp-trunk"
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| 10:08 | use this command to grab the tree:
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| 10:08 | bzr branch http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ltsp-upstream/ltsp/ltsp-trunk
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| 10:09 | oh, also install mkdst
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| 10:09 | yum install mkdst
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| 10:09 | * makghosh is here | |
| 10:10 | <warren> There is a newer version of mkdst coming, mkdst-0.8
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| 10:10 | but the mkdst-0.7 in Fedora 8 and rawhide is OK.
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| 10:10 | after you have the ltsp-trunk tree, cd into it
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| 10:11 | in a separate terminal you need to have a CVS checkout of the /cvs/pkgs ltsp tree.
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| 10:11 | This is the CVS tree used to build the ltsp RPM in Fedora.
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| 10:11 | * warren finds the checkout instructions for that.. | |
| 10:12 | <warren> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/UsingCvs
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| 10:12 | CVSROOT=:pserver:anonymous@cvs.fedoraproject.org:/cvs/pkgs
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| 10:12 | cvs co <module>
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| 10:12 | so you would use:
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| 10:12 | cvs co ltsp
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| 10:13 | The reason you need both the upstream bzr tree, and Fedora's /cvs/pkgs ltsp module, is you need the ltsp.spec from the CVS tree in order to do your own local RPM test builds.
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| 10:13 | <petre> hold on, gotta get cvs installed...
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| 10:13 | <dan_young> OK, I've got upstream bzr and the Fedora cvs
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| 10:13 | <warren> petre, I'll finish explaining this then wait a bit.
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| 10:13 | * LaVieEstBElla cliebow is behind..spyware crap on a paying job.. | |
| 10:13 | LaVieEstBElla is now known as cliebow | |
| 10:14 | <cliebow> daughters..
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| 10:14 | <warren> cliebow, I suppose the meeting log will be sufficient to follow up later.
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| 10:14 | <cliebow> yes..so far i am comfortable
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| 10:14 | <petre> okay, got the fedora stuff
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| 10:14 | <warren> So you have the /cvs/pkgs ltsp checkout in one directory, /path/to/fedora-cvs/ltsp
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| 10:15 | and /path/to/ltsp-trunk elsewhere
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| 10:15 | cd /path/to/ltsp-trunk
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| 10:15 | ln -s /path/to/fedora-cvs/ltsp/devel/ltsp.spec
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| 10:15 | So you have a ltsp.spec link in your ltsp-trunk directory.
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| 10:16 | everyone here yet?
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| 10:16 | I can wait.
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| 10:16 | * dan_young nods | |
| 10:16 | <petre> got 'em both
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| 10:16 | <warren> OK, try:
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| 10:16 | mkdst tar
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| 10:16 | did it create tarballs?
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| 10:16 | <petre> what should $PWD be?
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| 10:16 | <dan_young> yes
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| 10:17 | <petre> oh, never mind
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| 10:17 | <warren> OK, try mkdst rpm
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| 10:17 | it should fail for one or moe reasons
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| 10:18 | You might be missing BuildRequires, or the tarball doesn't match the version in the spec.
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| 10:18 | <petre> rpmbuild not available
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| 10:18 | <warren> (my ad)
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| 10:18 | petre, yum install rpmdevtools
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| 10:18 | <dan_young> error: FIle /tmp/tmp.quuux..../ltsp-5.1.0.tar.bz2: No such file or directory
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| 10:20 | <warren> dan_young, what Version line is in ltsp.spec/
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| 10:20 | <dan_young> 5.1.0
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| 10:20 | <warren> ah
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| 10:20 | <warren> hold a sec, building a new mkdst-0.8 for F-8
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| 10:20 | this will really help us here
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| 10:21 | Everyone edit ltsp.spec and change 5.1.0 to 5.1.1 to match the tarball
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| 10:21 | then try mkdst rpm again
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| 10:22 | <warren> anyone built an RPM, or new rpmbuild error messages?
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| 10:23 | <dan_young> xargs: xargs.c:443: main: Assertion `bc_ctl.arg_max <= (131072-2048)' failed.
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| 10:23 | <petre> I'm getting 'File not found: ltsp.spec' although I just edited it
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| 10:24 | <warren> petre, did you create the symlink?
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| 10:24 | <petre> no, missed that
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| 10:25 | <warren> dan_young, that causes a build failure?
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| 10:25 | <dan_young> yeah
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| 10:25 | <warren> hmm, never seen that one before =)
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| 10:26 | http://koji.fedoraproject.org/packages/mkdst/0.8/
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| 10:26 | <petre> I'm missing a bunch of dependencies
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| 10:26 | <warren> Everyone go here and get mkdst-0.8 for your respective distribution.
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| 10:27 | petre, yeah, will likely have to yum install a bunch of stuff
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| 10:27 | <petre> doing so now...
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| 10:27 | * warren gets a drink... | |
| 10:27 | <warren> (non-alcoholic =)
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| 10:28 | <cliebow> thought you were pulling a ragnar 8~)
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| 10:28 | <petre> um, it looks like the 1.fc8/ link is going to time out
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| 10:29 | <warren> petre, reload?
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| 10:29 | working here
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| 10:29 | * dan_young got it OK | |
| 10:29 | <warren> dan_young, you using F8 or F9?
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| 10:29 | <dan_young> f9
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| 10:29 | <petre> that worked; and my mkdst rpm worked
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| 10:29 | <warren> dan_young, ok, I haven't tested building the rpm on f9... =)
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| 10:30 | dan_young, or there might be a new bug on F9....
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| 10:30 | <ivazquez> It's a known bug on F9.
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| 10:30 | <warren> ivazquez, oh?
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| 10:30 | ivazquez, thank goodness you're here. =)
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| 10:30 | <dan_young> ah, OK
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| 10:30 | <ivazquez> Update findutils.
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| 10:31 | <dan_young> crap, didn't get latest rawhide, just a sec
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| 10:32 | ivazquez, thanks, that works
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| 10:32 | <petre> okay, got new mkdst installed; re-run mkdst rpm?
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| 10:32 | even though the last run gave no errors?
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| 10:33 | <warren> yes
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| 10:33 | the new mkdst is better
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| 10:34 | petre, dan_young: do either of you have any prior experience editing .spec files and building RPMS?
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| 10:34 | <dan_young> yeah
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| 10:34 | <petre> I've re-built a couple rpms, but that was a few years ago
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| 10:35 | <warren> OK please spend a moment exploring the ltsp-trunk source tree
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| 10:35 | <makghosh> mkdst rpm worked perfectly without any errors
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| 10:36 | <warren> note that server/ contains stuff that goes into ltsp-server RPM, and client/ contains stuff for ltsp-client RPM
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| 10:36 | ltsp.spec defines exactly what goes where in the RPM
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| 10:36 | ltsp.spec is fairly good for training you on RPM spec because it is very explicit
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| 10:36 | you see exactly what it does
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| 10:36 | because it does everything manually pretty much
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| 10:37 | <petre> warren, is this chat being recorded? I won't remember everything you say
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| 10:37 | <warren> petre, yeah, and I will transform this into better docs
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| 10:38 | look in ltsp.spec, see all the mkdir and install lines?
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| 10:38 | then look at corresponding files in the ltsp-trunk/server and ltsp-trunk/client tree
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| 10:39 | Do that for a minute or so
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| 10:42 | <warren> OK
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| 10:43 | before we go further, you must learn about bzr pull, so you can grab changes from upstream.
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| 10:43 | is your $PWD ltsp-trunk?
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| 10:43 | cd ..
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| 10:43 | * dan_young nods | |
| 10:43 | * petre also nods | |
| 10:43 | <warren> bzr pull ltsp-trunk ltsp-yourname
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| 10:44 | ltsp-yourname should be an independent copy of the entire source tree
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| 10:44 | oh..
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| 10:44 | ops
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| 10:44 | <dan_young> bzr: ERROR: extra argument to command pull: ltsp-dyoung
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| 10:44 | <warren> you might need to use
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| 10:44 | <petre> same as dy
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| 10:44 | <warren> bzr branch ltsp-trunk ltsp-yourname
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| 10:44 | <dan_young> makes more sense
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| 10:45 | <warren> ltsp-yourname will be missing the ltsp.spec symlink, so create it again.
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| 10:45 | <makghosh> same error
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| 10:45 | <warren> makghosh, are you ../ from your ltsp-trunk?
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| 10:45 | bzr branch ltsp-trunk ltsp-yourname
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| 10:45 | * petre gets same error as makghosh | |
| 10:45 | * makghosh checks again | |
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| 10:46 | * dan_young branched OK | |
| 10:46 | <petre> so, we should be right above ltsp-trunk? or in ltsp-trunk?
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| 10:46 | <warren> above
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| 10:46 | <petre> ah
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| 10:46 | <warren> cd ltsp-trunk/../
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| 10:46 | <petre> that works
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| 10:46 | <warren> OK, understand this because this is very important.
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| 10:47 | ltsp-trunk is your upstream tree. Never edit any files in there.
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| 10:47 | This way you can "cd ltsp-trunk; bzr pull" and it will pull the latest from upstream.
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| 10:48 | ltsp-yourname is your copy
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| 10:48 | after you have pulled new changes in ltsp-trunk, you can do:
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| 10:48 | cd ltsp-yourname; bzr pull ../ltsp-trunk
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| 10:48 | understand?
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| 10:48 | <petre> makes sense
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| 10:48 | * dan_young nods | |
| 10:48 | * makghosh nods | |
| 10:48 | <warren> if you symlinked ltsp.spec in ltsp-yourname, you can use mkdst rpm there too.
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| 10:49 | ah, here's a neat tool
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| 10:49 | yum install bzr-gtk
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| 10:49 | * vagrantc forgets if append_revisions_only = true is set on all the new repositories | |
| 10:49 | <warren> then try "bzr viz" in ltsp-yourname
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| 10:49 | vagrantc, if it isn't go ahead
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| 10:50 | <vagrantc> seems like with pack-0.92, it actually even works.
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| 10:50 | <warren> vagrantc, none of these people will have commit access anytime soon, until they have proven that they truly understand how things work and everything else necessary for safety.
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| 10:50 | Everyone see bzr viz? pretty cool huh?
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| 10:50 | <makghosh> yeah
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| 10:51 | <petre> hold on, still getting it...
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| 10:51 | <warren> OK, I can't train you on everything you need to know about bzr. Read the bzr man page to learn more.
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| 10:52 | <dan_young> ooh, shiny
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| 10:52 | <warren> In your own ltsp-yourname tree, if you edit files you can check in changes to your own tree with "bzr ci"
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| 10:52 | and read the manpage about "bzr push" so you can push your own tree to a sftp server somewhere, this way you can share your tree with others.
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| 10:53 | usig "bzr ci" will only check in changes to your local tree
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| 10:53 | You can use "mkdst rpm" to build an RPM of whatever is in the current tree, even if you haven't checked it in.
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| 10:53 | This is great if you want to quickly test changes that you made
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| 10:54 | simply install the ltsp-server (on the server) or ltsp-client (in the chroot)
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| 10:54 | This brings up a new annoyance though.
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| 10:54 | If your server is x86_64 and client chroot is i386
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| 10:54 | Then you used "mkdst rpm" to build only x86_64 or i386
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| 10:54 | Here's what I do:
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| 10:54 | yum install mock
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| 10:55 | sudo mock -r fedora-8-i386 $THENEWRPMFROMMKDST.src.rpm
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| 10:55 | wait a little while...
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| 10:55 | then it spits out i386 RPMS
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| 10:56 | <cliebow> ahh..
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| 10:56 | <warren> If I want to upgrade the ltsp-client, then I copy the ltsp-client*.i386.rpm to /opt/ltsp/i386/tmp/
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| 10:56 | then chroot into /opt/ltsp/i386 and use rpm -Uvh manually within the chroot.
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| 10:56 | mock is slow the first time, but after that it has cached stuff in /var/lib/mock/cache so it is faster the next time.
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| 10:57 | IMPORTANT WARNING!!!
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| 10:57 | If your host is x86_64, you MUST use this command to chroot into /opt/ltsp/i386
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| 10:57 | setarch i386 chroot /opt/ltsp/i386
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| 10:57 | if you don't, then some commands like yum will screw up, in the case of yum it will install the wrong arch of RPMS in the chroot effectively destroying it.
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| 10:58 | Oh, here's how you safely use yum in the chroot.
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| 10:58 | setarch i386 chroot /opt/ltsp/i386
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| 10:58 | mount /proc
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| 10:58 | yum install FOO
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| 10:58 | yum update
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| 10:58 | etc.
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| 10:59 | Make sure you umount /proc before you exit
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| 10:59 | or chroot again later and umount /proc
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| 10:59 | <dan_young> ah, excellent; screwed that up the other day
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| 10:59 | <warren> ANOTHER WARNING
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| 10:59 | If you use "umount /proc" be sure you are actually in the chroot
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| 10:59 | you can screw up your host if you accidentally unmount /proc
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| 11:00 | also be sure that you have unmounted /proc within the chroot before you delete /opt/ltsp/i386 if you want to start fresh.
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| 11:01 | <cliebow> gul darn $%&()_*_ windows pos
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| 11:01 | <warren> We're out of time now.
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| 11:01 | I'll take any questions.
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| 11:01 | <dan_young> you can always "umount /var/tmp/imgcreate-Ox1OXX/install_root/proc" from outside the chroot too
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| 11:01 | <warren> dan_young, yeah
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| 11:01 | <cliebow> good start...
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| 11:01 | <warren> dan_young, although that's a different /proc
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| 11:02 | <dan_young> warren: er yeah
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| 11:02 | <warren> dan_young, that is "oh crap, ltsp-build-client failed"
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| 11:02 | <dan_young> warren: :-)
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| 11:02 | <warren> dan_young, after the install I recommend chrooting before mounting and unmounting just to be sure you don't screw with your host.
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| 11:02 | dan_young, it also avoids putting garbage into /etc/mtab on the host.
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| 11:02 | * cliebow cliebow looks forward to crashing thru ltsp-trunk | |
| 11:02 | <dan_young> warren: good advice, thx
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| 11:03 | <warren> Oh, one more piece of advice
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| 11:03 | your cvs checkout of /cvs/pkgs ltsp module
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| 11:03 | You will want to pull updates to ltsp.spec
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| 11:03 | because I or somebody else added stuff there
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| 11:03 | <cliebow> k
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| 11:04 | <warren> you could use "cvs up" in that directory
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| 11:04 | except you edited ltsp.spec and it might fail
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| 11:04 | just delete ltsp.spec and cvs up
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| 11:04 | That is all.
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| 11:04 | <timborn> thanks warren
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| 11:04 | <warren> OK, I'll be here until at least 12:30 if you have questions.
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| 11:04 | I have one more question for you:
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| 11:04 | <dan_young> warren: thanks
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| 11:04 | <makghosh> warren, cool :)
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| 11:05 | <petre> thank warren
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| 11:05 | <warren> Any particular day/time is better for you folks for a weekly LTSP Fedora meeting?
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| 11:05 | <cliebow> thanks warren
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| 11:05 | <makghosh> warren, thanks a lot :)
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| 11:05 | <petre> early sunday morning is best for me
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| 11:05 | * makghosh agrees petre | |
| 11:05 | <cliebow> if ir is an hour at A time 8-4 edt weekdays at school..i can work around you
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| 11:06 | <dan_young> Pacific working hours are much easier for me; sorry :-(
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| 11:06 | <cliebow> sundays for a bit usually works too
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| 11:06 | dan m-f
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| 11:06 | ?
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| 11:06 | <dan_young> yeah
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| 11:06 | <warren> Sunday at this same timeslot is good for everyone?
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| 11:06 | <petre> sure
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| 11:06 | <makghosh> warren, sure +1
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| 11:06 | <dan_young> I can prob, make it work, earlier might be better, 10 Eastern is 7 am here?
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| 11:07 | * petre speaks only for himself | |
| 11:07 | <petre> yes, /me agrees with dan_young
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| 11:07 | <warren> 10 EDT is 1400 UTC?
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| 11:07 | <cliebow> you guys name it..I'll work around..
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| 11:08 | er 5 hours
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| 11:08 | <warren> argh
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| 11:08 | I get mixed up
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| 11:08 | 10AM EDT is fine for me
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| 11:08 | <ivazquez> EDT is UTC-4, EST is UTC-5.
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| 11:09 | <warren> Anybody interested in helping me get all these tips onto documentation?
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| 11:09 | <dan_young> I've got a good snapshot of them; can do it.
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| 11:09 | where?
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| 11:09 | <warren> dan_young, ok, then we only need a place to PUT the documentation =)
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| 11:09 | mm
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| 11:10 | they didn't create my trac project yet
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| 11:10 | <dan_young> I was able to edit https://fedorahosted.org/k12ltsp/wiki
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| 11:10 | <warren> dan_young, I'll let the list know when I have a place.
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| 11:10 | <cliebow> k
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| 11:10 | <warren> dan_young, I requested that k12ltsp will be deleted entirely
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| 11:10 | dan_young, go ahead and compile it offline for now, I'll try to get k12linux project created myself
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| 11:10 | <dan_young> warren: OK
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| 11:11 | <warren> OK if you have questions ask anytime in #ltsp or on the list.
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| 11:11 | https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12linux-devel-list
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| 11:11 | I also highly recommend subscribing to the upstream list
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| 11:11 | https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/ltsp-developer
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| 11:11 | since Fedora is 100% upstream, it is very important to participate there too
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| 11:12 | <warren> sometimes we have to argue
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| 11:12 | =)
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| 11:12 | meeting is done
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| 11:12 | <makghosh> warren, yep...i am into those lists :)
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| 11:12 | * warren works on creating k12linux project. | |
| 11:13 | <petre> warren, on http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/K12Linux/InstallGuide, it says ltsp-server-initialize is broken
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| 11:14 | is that just on fc9 or all versions?
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| 11:14 | <warren> petre, all
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| 11:15 | petre, I just copied it from eharrison's LTSP-4.2 and didn't do any work on it
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| 11:15 | petre, some of the plugins are irrelevant, some are wrong, some are missing
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| 11:15 | petre, it doesn't handle the new ltspbr0 auto config
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| 11:15 | petre, difficult to ask the user which interface they want to permanently use for ltsp too
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| 11:16 | <petre> is that the point of the ltsp bridge interface?
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| 11:16 | so they don't have to pick?
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| 11:17 | <warren> petre, could you do me a favor, search google and find the syntax for an ifcfg file to auto add an ethernet device to a bridge.
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| 11:17 | <petre> I'll have a look
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| 11:18 | <warren> petre, the point of ltspbr0 is so we can ship an auto-configured ltsp-server, and the ONLY thing the sysadmin has to do is add an interface to the bridge and it will work.
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| 11:20 | <petre> so...the sysadmin would modify /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-ltspbr0, say?
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| 11:20 | <warren> petre, no, that remains unmodified
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| 11:20 | <dan_young> warren: BRIDGE=ltspbr0 in ifcfg-ethX
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| 11:21 | <warren> petre, /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-eth1 for example can have a syntax that has no IP, but adds itself to a bridge.
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| 11:21 | dan_young, ah
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| 11:21 | dan_young, we need that in documentation
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| 11:21 | <dan_young> adding it to my notes
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| 11:22 | <warren> It will be more difficult to configure that in a sane way in ltsp-server-initialize because no sysadmin will do it exactly the same way.
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| 11:22 | <dan_young> warren: yeah I'm envisioning an interactive thing that blinks the link light w/ ethtool
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| 11:23 | <warren> dan_young, that's clever, but does that work with all cards? probabl not.
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| 11:24 | <dan_young> prob not
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| 11:26 | * dan_young has to go; thanks for the cluestick, will have notes up somewhere tomorrow | |
| 11:26 | * makghosh hates being disconnected | |
| 11:26 | <warren> dan_young, thanks
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| 11:26 | dan_young, probably notes to the list is a good start
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| 11:27 | <dan_young> warren: sounds good
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| 11:45 | <warren> oh nice, git tracks exact file permissions unlike bzr.
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| 12:00 | <johnny> hi
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| 14:18 | <johnny> next version of virtualbox will finally let you use ctrl alt f keys
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| 14:22 | <johnny> dberkholz, ok.. openrc seems to work as advertised
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| 14:24 | <warren> johnny, from a menu or something?
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| 14:24 | <johnny> ?
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| 14:25 | oh the vbox thing lo
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| 14:25 | it'll be something like hostkey + alt + f
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| 14:25 | i'm nto sure about the menu
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| 14:29 | ok.. so my chroot netboots nfs just fine now
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| 14:29 | now i handle the tmpfs bind mounts or unionfs..
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| 14:33 | <petre> johnny, does virtualbox offer bridged networking?
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| 14:43 | <johnny> offer?
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| 14:43 | you can use it with bridged networking
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| 14:43 | i do myself
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| 14:43 | ltsp servers won't really work over NAT:)
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| 14:43 | you can use internal networking too
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| 14:44 | but i'm not
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| 14:54 | <petre> hm, last time I looked at VB I only remember NAT, which I didn't want
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| 14:54 | I'll look at it again, probably an oversight on my part
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| 14:55 | <johnny> i've been using it since 1.5.2.. it's been there since then at least
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| 15:01 | <petre> johnny, looks like it defaults to NAT; do I just go in and attach it to, say, my wireless adapter?
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| 15:02 | <johnny> you have to setup briding in your OS
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| 15:02 | bridging*
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| 15:02 | so whatever you do for that
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| 15:02 | <petre> hm, not sure
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| 15:02 | <johnny> and then you tell it what interface to use.. mine are vbox[0-9]
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| 15:03 | there are docs about that on the vbox site
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| 15:04 | for some common OSes
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| 15:04 | for /etc/network/interfaces for any debian variant
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| 15:04 | and /etc/sysconfig for those who use redhat style
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| 15:04 | <petre> it appears I've got some virtual interfaces, probably leftover from a failed vmware installation
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| 15:05 | well, I'm trying to run fedora on ubuntu, so I've got a bit of both ;-)
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| 16:47 | <IRCzito> Hi guys, Im try understand, how ltsp5+pulseaudo works, where I can get some info?
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| 16:48 | ow, i found something on wiki.ltsp http://developer.novell.com/wiki/index.php/Edgy/HOWTO:_PulseAudio
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| 17:39 | <IRCzito> someone can sendme actual /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/pulse/default.pa, of ubuntu.
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| 17:41 | <dberkholz> johnny: good to hear
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| 17:42 | <johnny_> what did i say?
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| 17:42 | i'm not at home atm
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| 17:43 | i should use irssi :(
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| 17:43 | i was hoping to run into vagrantc to see how he isn't using unionfs
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| 17:43 | since the initfile in the branch forces unionfs
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| 17:44 | dberkholz, i got my account enabled for the overlay
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| 17:44 | i'll show you my ebuild later tonight
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| 17:44 | for ltsp-client
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| 17:44 | it doesn't do jetpipe tho
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| 17:44 | wasn't sure if we should bother with jetpipe or not
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| 17:45 | imo jetpipe should be it's own init script
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| 17:45 | but maybe i'm missing something..
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