IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.libera.chat (webchat)
Channel log from 5 September 2013 (all times are UTC)
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| 08:56 | <tarzeau> i guess that's a wrong entry, anyone here can fix it? http://www.ltsp.org/stories/viewstory/?story_id=392&secret=2f94c6
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| 09:04 | <Hyperbyte> Awesome. Exploits! :)
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| 09:25 | <tarzeau> Hyperbyte: thanks
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| 09:33 | what ltsp thin client hardware do people use? there's no hints at ltsp.org, is there?
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| 09:37 | <der_baer`> tarzeau: http://www.zotacusa.com/products/mini-pcs/zbox but it is more fatclient hardware :D
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| 09:43 | <Hyperbyte> tarzeau, you can use any hardware that is supported by Linx
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| 09:43 | *Linux
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| 09:43 | <workingcats> we used old PCs
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| 09:44 | but even tho they only cost like 20 bucks each we went for fat clients in the end because they had plenty of power for that
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| 10:07 | <tarzeau> we prefer gbit thin clients, like the zotac
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| 10:07 | workingcats: we have fat workstations that run independent of ltsp
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| 10:09 | <workingcats> tarzeau, well it turns out we actually only have 1 fat client which is my main work machine, to be switched to gentoo when i have time ;)
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| 11:00 | <tarzeau> does anyone use zotacs with intel gma graphics cards? if so, which models exactly?
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| 11:01 | we run the old itx a and b models as well as the id41 with nvidia ion graphics cards. works all nicely
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| 11:26 | <Hyperbyte> Intel GMA craphics can sometimes give problems, but those are usually fixable by disabling LVDS
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| 11:26 | <tarzeau> http://communities.intel.com/thread/36342 and that one looks unfixable
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| 11:32 | <Hyperbyte> Hardware limitations are generally not fixable by Linux, no...
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| 12:24 | <jbassett> Hello
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| 12:25 | LTSP client booted into Ubuntu
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| 12:25 | I can see a folder I created on the desktop but no dash menus or bars at the top of the screen, desktop background is appearing.
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| 12:37 | <svenM> Hi everybody
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| 12:37 | Does anyone have experiences with Fujitsu Desktop PCs?
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| 12:38 | <der_baer`> jbassett: sounds like unity does not start. Nautillus does this folder and backround think. Maybe you will find some usefulll errors in /home/user/.xsession-errors
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| 12:39 | <svenM> The LTSP network boot seems not to work with our Fujitsus that use Intel Boot Agent v1.3.72
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| 12:40 | The server runs correctly, cause every other Computer we have can boot via network
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| 12:42 | <der_baer`> svenM: if it does not support booting over network (check the bios boot settings)LTSP wont work
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| 12:42 | <svenM> I did an upgrade of the server this morning, before we ran edubuntu 10.something and now 12.04.3 LTS
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| 12:43 | In the old version, everything went fine
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| 12:43 | <jbassett> thanks der_baer, will take a look
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| 12:43 | bbs
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| 12:44 | <der_baer`> svenM: so the PCs was booting over network before?
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| 12:45 | <svenM> yes
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| 12:45 | after the upgrade, not every PC started over the network anymore
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| 12:45 | Common feature: Fujitsus with Intel Boot Agent GE v1.3.72
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| 12:48 | <der_baer`> svenM: mm I dont this Intel Boot Agent but if it supports PXE everything shut be fine, what does the bios say if you try to boot the PC?
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| 12:49 | <svenM> Last line before it got stuck is "Trying to load: pxelinux.cfg/default OK"
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| 12:49 | And then I see this flashing dash...
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| 12:53 | BTW: the PCs are no legacy devices, they are pretty new with i7 and so on
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| 12:54 | <der_baer`> mmm ok so pxe is working, maybe you find somethings in the logsfiles of the server (could be an nbd-server fail) but since it is working for the other PCs I'm not so shure about that. did you get the busybox if you hit crtl-c?
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| 12:56 | <svenM> I will check
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| 12:57 | Then it aborts and I will get a "boot: " prompt
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| 13:05 | <svenM> It offers ltsp as an input for boot
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| 13:06 | After some time there is one short flash
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| 13:11 | <der_baer`> svenM:mm the thing that confused me is that your other PCs are booting. Did you maybe have some spezial configuration for this maschiene (check dhcpd.conf and your ltsp configuration /var/lib/tftpd/default/)
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| 13:13 | <svenM> thanks, I will check that
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| 13:20 | <svenM> the configs look good
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| 13:20 | <svenM> I will check the general logs
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| 13:20 | (on startup)
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| 13:25 | <alkisg> !quiet-splash | echo svenM:
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| 13:25 | <ltsp> svenM: quiet-splash: to disable the splash screen in Ubuntu, in order to see any boot error messages, run sudo gedit /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.cfg/default and remove quiet splash plymouth:force-splash vt.handoff=7
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| 13:26 | <der_baer`> alkisg: arg I forgot that this enabled by default
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| 13:26 | <svenM> thanks
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| 13:27 | I could not see anything :D
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| 13:27 | <alkisg> :)
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| 13:27 | At least now you'll have more useful "last error messages"...
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| 13:27 | <svenM> thanks, I will try
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| 14:04 | <svenM> The kernel seems to be fucked up
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| 14:04 | (in the way of compatibility)
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| 14:04 | An older kernel brought us further, but after the nfs-premount we get "connection refused"
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| 14:14 | <alkisg> svenM: nfs? didn't you say you use ubuntu?
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| 14:14 | Ubuntu uses NBD by default...
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| 14:15 | Maybe your machine doesn't have the "cmov" instruction, or doesn't support "pae"?
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| 14:15 | Which CPU does your client have?
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| 14:18 | <svenM> i7
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| 14:18 | <svenM> I tried both the options for nbd and nfs
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| 14:19 | <alkisg> Are you sure this isn't a graphics error?
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| 14:19 | What kernel are you using, and what is the last message you see on the client?
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| 14:19 | (don't try nfs at all)
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| 14:20 | ls -l /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386 => pastebin
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| 14:20 | Finally, did you rebuild your chroot? (not upgrade, but rebuild with ltsp-build-client)
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| 14:30 | <svenM> we tried the kernel 3.2.0.52 and 3.0.?? and 2.6.??
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| 14:30 | Always rebuilt as you mentioned
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| 14:31 | <alkisg> I think we're not communicating very well
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| 14:31 | How did you try 2.6 in 12.04?
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| 14:32 | Maybe you're just copying older kernels from older ubuntu versions, with older and incompatible initramfs's...
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| 14:32 | <svenM> That is true
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| 14:32 | <alkisg> That doesn't have any chance to work at all
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| 14:32 | <svenM> I guess, the new (currently installed) kernel is incompatible with the machine
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| 14:33 | One of the last steps in booting before it got stuck was nouveau_init ...
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| 14:33 | That seems to have something todo with the nvidia graphics
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| 14:33 | <alkisg> What's the output of this command? grep '' /opt/ltsp/*/etc/issue
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| 14:34 | <svenM> Ubuntu 12.04.3 LTS \n \l
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| 14:41 | <svenM> I will continue tomorrow on that, at least half of our PCs work
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| 14:42 | Thanks for the help, guys!
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| 15:51 | <tfdl> Good morning,
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| 15:51 | I have got ubuntu-12.04.3-alternate-i386 install, thinserver, and thinclietns working very nicely at our University TFDL library, we are very happy. However, we still need to rotate/set orientation of the thinclients desktop to portrait or vertical.
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| 15:52 | I have carefully followed the instruction here to rotate/set orientation but the thinclients do not seem to apply any of the configuration (I see no changes on thinclients) - http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/precise/man5/lts.conf.5.html#contenttoc10
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| 15:53 | <tfdl> Here is the configuration I tried in /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf ############## [default] # I tried both of these but not sure what is the difference. Thanks in adva #XRANDR_ORIENTATION_0=right XRANDR_ROTATE_0=right
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| 15:55 | here is the configuration again:
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| 15:55 | in /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf
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| 15:55 | [default]
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| 15:55 | # I tried both of these but not sure what is the difference. Thanks in advance
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| 15:55 | XRANDR_ORIENTATION_0=right
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| 15:56 | XRANDR_ROTATE_0=right
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| 15:56 | thank you.
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| 16:10 | <slackish> you know, after reading the man page, i still dont know the difference between orientation and rotate
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| 16:11 | it appears after running "xrandr --output LVDS-0 --orientation right", there was no effect
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| 16:11 | but "xrandr ... --rotate right", there was one
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| 16:14 | <alkisg> tfdl: open a gnome-terminal and run xrandr manually until you make it work
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| 16:14 | Once you make it work, THEN try with lts.conf
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| 16:14 | What graphics card do the clients have? Does it support xrandr and orientation?
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| 16:15 | <tfdl> hi
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| 16:15 | <alkisg> Try e.g. xrandr -o left
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| 16:15 | <tfdl> ok
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| 16:15 | trying
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| 16:17 | i typed: xrandr -o left
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| 16:17 | i got error: X Error of failed request: BadMatch (invlid parameter attirbutes)
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| 16:18 | <alkisg> So your driver doesn't support rotation. Which graphics card?
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| 16:18 | <tfdl> Major opcode of failed request: 140 (RANDR)
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| 16:18 | <alkisg> If you have a client with an intel-based graphics card, try there instead
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| 16:19 | !localxterm
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| 16:19 | <ltsp> localxterm: Any applications that you launch on a thin client actually runs on the server, not on the client itself. If you want to open a program on the client locally, you can type 'ltsp-localapps <program>' in a run dialog or in a terminal. For example, 'ltsp-localapps xterm' to open a terminal running on the client.
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| 16:20 | <tfdl> i use Oracle VM Virutalbox
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| 16:20 | <alkisg> To see the client graphics card, run this command in a localxterm: lspci -nn -k | grep -A 2 VGA
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| 16:20 | <tfdl> i can not find graphic card spec yet on this virtual box
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| 16:20 | <alkisg> VirtualBox doesn't support xrandr rotation
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| 16:20 | <tfdl> i understand your isntruction
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| 16:20 | <alkisg> Try with a real client
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| 16:20 | <tfdl> i will try with intel-base graphics card
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| 16:22 | ok, i will set up a real environment. thanks so much
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| 16:22 | have a great day!
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| 19:55 | <Zaphoid> Having an odd issue. I need my ltsp thick clients to have different DNS settings then the ltsp host. I thought changing it in /opt/ltsp/amd64/etc/resolv.conf and rebuilding the image would be enough, but it doesn't seem to be taking.
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| 19:56 | Using ubuntu 12.04
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| 19:59 | <vagrantc> it probably uses resolvconf?
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| 19:59 | Zaphoid: you should be able to configure it with DNS_SERVER* in lts.conf
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| 20:00 | <Zaphoid> Ah, nifty. OK
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| 20:00 | <vagrantc> Zaphoid: it's also documented in the lts.conf manpage
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| 20:01 | <Zaphoid> Related to lts.conf, it seems the tftp lts.conf is ignored and only the local is read. Is this supposed to be?
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| 20:02 | <alkisg> Nope. Pastebin your /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/*/lts.conf to pastebin, and mention if * is amd64 or i386
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| 20:02 | <vagrantc> is it attempting to download lts.conf from the right server? i.e. your LTSP server vs. a router on the network?
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| 20:02 | <Zaphoid> vagrantc: That is possible. I don't know how to tell that.
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| 20:03 | <vagrantc> and what alkisg said
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| 20:03 | <Zaphoid> alkisg: amd64 http://pastebin.com/RxFqGZA1
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| 20:05 | <alkisg> Zaphoid: can you describe your dhcpd setup?
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| 20:05 | E.g. 2 nic, isc-dhcp on the ltsp server...
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| 20:05 | <Zaphoid> dhcpd is running on a separate server.
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| 20:05 | ltsp server is a virtual guest running tftp/ltsp/etc
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| 20:06 | 1 nic
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| 20:06 | I have to add IPAPPEND 3 to the pxelinux.cfg/default for it to fully boot
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| 20:07 | <alkisg> OK, symlink $TFTP/ltsp/amd64 to $TFTP/ltsp/i386
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| 20:08 | er, the other way around
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| 20:08 | ...because in your case it's searching i386 for lts.conf
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| 20:08 | <Zaphoid> I wondered if that was the case. For some reason just symlinking didn't enter my mind.
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| 20:09 | <alkisg> Note that symlinks must be relative due to tftpd-hpa
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| 20:09 | cd /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp; sudo ln -s amd64 i386
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| 20:09 | <Zaphoid> Thanks for the reminder.
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| 20:10 | I'll let you know in a second if it worked.
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| 20:11 | Assuming several things
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| 20:13 | Yes on both accounts. That fixed the lts.conf (wish I had tried that earlier, would have saved me a CRAPTON of rebuilding client time)
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| 20:13 | And I know it fixed the lts.conf since the DNS changes I made were in that lts.conf, and they were implemented
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| 20:13 | So sweet
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| 20:21 | <alkisg> !win32loader
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| 20:21 | <ltsp> I do not know about 'win32loader', but I do know about these similar topics: 'win32-loader'
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| 20:21 | <alkisg> !win32-loader
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| 20:21 | <ltsp> win32-loader: win32-loader.exe can be used to add a "PXE - Network boot" option to the Windows boot manager. It's developed for Debian and it uses gPXE/iPXE for the network booting. You can download a binary from http://ftp.debian.org/debian/tools/win32-loader/unstable/ (if someone could write a wiki page for that it'd be great, a Greek page you can translate as a starting point is available at (1 more message)
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| 20:30 | <alkisg> !win32-loader
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| 20:30 | <ltsp> win32-loader: win32-loader.exe adds a "PXE - Network boot" option to the Windows boot manager. It's developed for Debian and it uses http://ipxe.org for the network booting. Download it from http://ftp.debian.org/debian/tools/win32-loader/stable. More info at http://goo.gl/FPD7Zv
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