IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.libera.chat (webchat)
Channel log from 22 October 2013 (all times are UTC)
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| 08:18 | <Yajo> Hello. I'm trying to get working an LTSP server from a virtual CentOS 6 machine. After following all instructions in http://wiki.ltsp.org/wiki/Category:Fedora and in README.rpminstall, the client cannot boot with this error: "mount.nfs: Connection timed out"
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| 08:19 | Where can be the problem?
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| 08:23 | <Yajo> My network setup is at work (no school). We only have one subnet, and there's a Windows DHCP server, which has already been configured to serve a specific MAC (the thin client test-machine) to the CentOS server. Also, on the CentOS side the dhcpd and dhcpd6 services have been stopped.
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| 08:23 | I would thank any help, please.
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| 09:04 | <nocturn> Hi all. I have a question regarding LTSP. Can I use USB ports on the clients? I need to use smartcard readers to log in to government web services.... So the reader should plug in to the client and Firefox should be able to access the reader
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| 13:05 | <alkisg> !fatclients | echo nocturn:
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| 13:05 | <ltsp`> nocturn: fatclients: You may find some info about the Ubuntu/LTSP implementation of fat clients at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/FatClients
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| 13:05 | <alkisg> ...fat clients see all usb devices normally
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| 13:05 | (fats are again diskless)
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| 13:19 | <other_other_joe> anyone ever use Mac's as clients?
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| 13:19 | I can get 'em up using iPXE on a disk
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| 13:19 | I'd love to not do that though
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| 13:20 | <||cw> other_other_joe: depends on the mac
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| 13:21 | EFI based ones it would be technically possible to have EFI pxe boot, but I don't know if apple has locked out some bits to make it not possible
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| 13:21 | G5 and older, you need ipxe locally
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| 13:22 | <other_other_joe> they're intel EFI's
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| 13:22 | as far as I know though, apple has some weird EFI 1.5/EFI 2 custom hybrid
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| 13:25 | http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/help-grub/2012-02/msg00026.html
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| 13:25 | this thread seems promising
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| 13:36 | <Vindicated> Hello World!
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| 13:38 | <other_other_joe> yo
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| 13:38 | <Vindicated> I thought I would pop in to ask about any updates? The roadmap has some good features on it but there is no news in over a year
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| 13:39 | <Mava> void main() { cout << "Hello world" << endl; return 0; }
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| 14:35 | <bennabiy> 0
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| 18:20 | <stgraber> ogra_: so, will we be seeing you at BTS next week?
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| 18:21 | * jammcq hopes so | |
| 18:23 | <stgraber> oh, just noticed, no sbalneav this year?
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| 18:24 | <jammcq> yeah, his father passed away last week and he needs to assist his mother through this tough time :(
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| 18:25 | <stgraber> sbalneav: my condolences
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| 18:27 | <jammcq> his father was 82 and had some health problems for a while. so it wasn't a big surprise, but still... it's a difficult time.
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| 20:17 | <Chris_____> hello :)
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| 20:17 | <alkisg> Hi
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| 20:18 | <Chris_____> May i ask a couple of things?
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| 20:18 | <alkisg> !ask
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| 20:18 | <ltsp`> ask: Don't ask to ask a question, simply ask it, and if someone knows the answer, they'll respond. Please hang around for at least a full hour after asking a question, as not everybody constantly monitors the channel.
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| 20:19 | <Chris_____> Ok, thanks. I would like to know the best way to give the shutdown and reboot command from a terminal (for itself)
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| 20:20 | <alkisg> Is this related to LTSP at all?
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| 20:20 | <Chris_____> i'm using openbox with only a browser, and on a touch panel where i must remap F1~F4
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| 20:20 | <alkisg> With "terminal" you mean "ltsp client"?
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| 20:20 | <Chris_____> oh sorry, yes, i'm using debian for it
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| 20:21 | <alkisg> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~epoptes/epoptes/trunk/view/head:/epoptes-client/endsession
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| 20:21 | Save this somewhere and call it to shutdown/reboot whatever
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| 20:21 | It works in most environments, not only lxde
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| 20:21 | It's part of...
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| 20:21 | !epoptes
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| 20:21 | <ltsp`> epoptes: Epoptes is a computer lab administration and monitoring tool. It works on Ubuntu and Debian based labs with LTSP or non-LTSP servers, thin and fat clients, standalone workstations, NX clients etc. More info: http://www.epoptes.org
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| 20:22 | <Chris_____> i read about that, but i mean, i want only to use shutdown and reboot command
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| 20:22 | <alkisg> Yup, it has shutdown, reboot and logout
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| 20:22 | So just don't use the logout command.
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| 20:23 | <Chris_____> ok, i will try it, because ssh works but on this client i think is really too slow
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| 20:23 | thankyou
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| 20:23 | <alkisg> You're welcome
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| 20:24 | <Chris_____> and the last, is, i noticed that the client (it's old and is with a transmeta crosue... a panic) is really slow in connecting to xorg
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| 20:25 | <Chris_____> i read that i can use xdmcp (like i used many years ago in ltsp)
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| 20:25 | <alkisg> !directx
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| 20:25 | <ltsp`> directx: If you want to turn off encryption to the workstation, which will speed up performance at the cost of security, you need to specify LDM_DIRECTX=True in your lts.conf file. Type !docs in IRC to get a link to the current documentation
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| 20:25 | <alkisg> Directx has the same speed as xdmcp
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| 20:25 | So there's no need to use xdmcp at all
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| 20:26 | <Chris_____> ok, perfect, maybe preparing the correct xorg.conf for the clients ? can help?
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| 20:26 | <Chris_____> I noticed a lot of trying about modelines not supported...
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| 20:26 | <alkisg> No I don't think a xorg.conf will help
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| 20:27 | <Chris_____> :D ok, i trust you, a lot of time saved :P
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| 20:27 | <vagrantc> Chris_____: you mean it's slow to get to the login screen, or slow once you're using it?
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| 20:28 | <Chris_____> to get login screen
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| 20:28 | really slow
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| 20:28 | <steven_lkz> hi, who can tell me how to capture the client's screenshot using command line? thank you in advance.
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| 20:28 | <vagrantc> that wouldn't be helped by directx
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| 20:28 | <steven_lkz> i installed epoptes, and can see the client's screen
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| 20:29 | <Chris_____> i', not used to irc, i read now about encryption, it's because that i asek for xdmcp
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| 20:29 | I'm
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| 20:30 | <alkisg> steven_lkz: Phantomas is planning a new epoptes version that will have a console front-end... until then, you could do it with ssh + epoptes' /usr/share/epoptes-client/get-display
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| 20:30 | <vagrantc> Chris_____: yes, but xdmcp wouldn't help much either
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| 20:30 | Chris_____: it *might* help to use NBD instead of NFS
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| 20:31 | <Chris_____> :D yes, i noticed that ubuntu used that solution, instead of nfs with debian
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| 20:31 | <vagrantc> it has it's trade-offs, but is definitely a bit faster to boot
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| 20:31 | debian wheezy should be fairly easy to switch back and forth between the two... although i haven't yet written up good documentation about it
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| 20:32 | <Chris_____> but i think that the real problem is the hardware... a strange mainboard made here in italy,
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| 20:32 | i think that it's a miracle that it still works :D
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| 20:32 | <vagrantc> quite possible... works fine on other hardware?
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| 20:33 | <Chris_____> in virtualbox is perfect, but i remember also the past, clients are faster than this one
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| 20:33 | <steven_lkz> alkisg: thank you very much.
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| 20:34 | <Chris_____> So vagrantc you are a developper, thankyou very much for the very good work!
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| 20:36 | Just for info, if you have time, i read about a connection (cripted or not) from the client to the user on the server, why don't have a sort of command receiver on the client in order to receive commands ? (like shutdown)
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| 20:36 | <vagrantc> Chris_____: glad it works for you :)
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| 20:37 | Chris_____: we have great plans for LTSP6 :)
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| 20:37 | but maybe integrating something like parts of epoptes directly into LTSP would be a good idea...
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| 20:38 | <steven_lkz> alkisg: i've found get-display script, but how to use it?
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| 20:38 | <alkisg> steven_lkz: export $(/path/to/get-display); now you have access to X
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| 20:39 | <alkisg> Then you can call /usr/share/epoptes-client/screenshot, or imagemagick, or get the screen in whatever other way you want
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| 20:39 | <Chris_____> i read a few about epoptes, i think is the best used in a class or similar
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| 20:39 | <steven_lkz> alkisg: sorry, can u explain more detail? thank you.
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| 20:39 | <Chris_____> in my case, i must install about 34 touch panels, each one near a press (for plastic mouldings)
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| 20:40 | <alkisg> steven_lkz: do you know how to automatically get screenshots in a non-ltsp environment?
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| 20:40 | <steven_lkz> alking: no, can u give me a link?
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| 20:40 | <alkisg> Nope, I don't have any
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| 20:41 | <Chris_____> only browser & pdf reader. Now the last problem is how to manage people that cutoff the power on the terminals :D
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| 20:41 | <steven_lkz> alkisg: thank u anyway. i'll try
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| 20:41 | <alkisg> steven_lkz: you'd need a cronjob or shell script that would get access to the X display, and then call a screenshot program
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| 20:42 | get-display is the first part, and screenshot/imagemagick the second part
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| 20:42 | But you'll need a bit of shell knowledge to fill in the missing bits...
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| 20:43 | <steven_lkz> you mean i need to export get-display?
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| 20:43 | <alkisg> Yes, that's one of the parts needed
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| 20:44 | <steven_lkz> can u give me complete export command?
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| 20:44 | <Chris_____> Thankyou again guys, see you ^^
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| 20:44 | <alkisg> (11:38:25 μμ) alkisg: steven_lkz: export $(/path/to/get-display); now you have access to X
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| 20:44 | <alkisg> Ah, you mean the path?
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| 20:45 | <steven_lkz> export $(/usr/share/epoptes-client/get-display)?
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| 20:45 | <alkisg> export $(/usr/share/epoptes-client/get-display)
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| 20:45 | Yeah
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| 20:45 | <steven_lkz> thank u, i'll try
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| 20:45 | <alkisg> !flash-no-sse2 | echo vagrantc:
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| 20:45 | <ltsp`> vagrantc: flash-no-sse2: The latest flash plugin is compiled with SSE2 instructions and thus segfaults on older CPUs. A workaround for LTSP fat clients/localapps is available in http://ts.sch.gr/repo/pool/main/f/flashplugin-no-sse2/flashplugin-no-sse2_11.1.102.63-2_i386.deb (to be installed in i386 chroots).
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| 20:46 | <alkisg> ;)
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| 20:46 | (contains the init-ltsp.d script)
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| 20:46 | (as well as the flash.so)
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| 20:46 | <vagrantc> ah.
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| 20:47 | that makes it pretty simple.
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| 20:47 | <alkisg> Yup, a dpkg -i away...
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| 20:47 | It indeed made more sense that way, instead of including it to upstream ltsp
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| 20:47 | Although... you know.
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| 20:48 | <vagrantc> well, we certainly couldn't include the flash.so
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| 20:48 | in ltsp
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| 20:49 | <alkisg> Of course not; it's not even an ltsp-specific problem, it affects any non-sse2-capable cpu
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| 20:49 | (it also generates a settings.js for firefox to ignore the old plugin version)
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| 20:52 | <steven_lkz> alkisg: i've exported get-display, then i run screenshot, where is screen saved?
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| 20:53 | alkisg: what is the format of screenshot? i want to capture a user's screen.
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| 21:04 | <alkisg> steven_lkz: it's dumped to stdout, you'd need to redirect it to a file. Or, use imagemagic to save it as .png, .jpg etc
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| 21:10 | <steven_lkz> alkisg: how to save individual user's screen?
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| 21:10 | alkisg: you said use ssh?
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| 21:15 | <steven_lkz> alkisg: after i run "screenshot > test.png", the size of test.png file is 0
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