IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.libera.chat (webchat)
Channel log from 7 January 2007 (all times are UTC)
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| 06:53 | <cliebow_> ccherrett:we were just talking about the functions of firstclass and how your project might apply..
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| 13:49 | <ccherrett> cliebow_: if you have any questions feel free to contact me
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| 14:42 | <cliebow_> ccherrett:cool
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| 15:45 | <MRH2> hi anyone know if there a nvidia driver that works with update3/4 available somewhere?
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| 16:51 | <slipttees> hello
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| 16:51 | <dougb> i was just running edubuntu dapper, and i had two thin clients running, and if i was to load any open office application, it'd load on the other thin client. does anyone know why it would do this?
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| 16:52 | <slipttees> necessary to speak with somebody regarding ltsp5 integrated in ubuntu
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| 16:52 | <vagrantc> dougb: using LDM for login ?
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| 16:52 | slipttees: ask your question, and if someone can answer, they will.
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| 16:53 | <slipttees> why this version, is you the bad one?
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| 16:54 | tenho 3 monitores que funciona 100% com o ltsp4.2 mas esse ltsp5 n?o dar!
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| 16:54 | I have 3 monitors that it functions 100% with ltsp4.2 but this ltsp5 not to give!
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| 16:54 | <vagrantc> ah.
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| 16:55 | slipttees: they don't work at all?
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| 16:56 | <slipttees> you to swallow lts.conf! : ( thus it is makes it difficult to the
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| 16:56 | pattern! : (
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| 16:56 | <vagrantc> dougb: that's certainly a bizarre problem. the only thing i could think of that would do that is that you somehow have your $DISPLAY environment variables improperly set...
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| 16:57 | slipttees: you used the same lts.conf ?
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| 16:58 | <slipttees> my monitors suport only 800x600!
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| 16:58 | <vagrantc> slipttees: ltsp5 and ltsp4.2 have some differences in lts.conf, and you shouldn't use the same one.
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| 16:59 | <slipttees> o give pra to manually justify the frequency of the monitors in ltsp.conf, that you they had taken off!
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| 16:59 | <vagrantc> slipttees: what did you set?
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| 16:59 | <dougb> it was using the GDM for the login
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| 16:59 | <slipttees> only monitors frequency 800x600
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| 16:59 | <dougb> it isn't a huge problem, and it is open-office specific, so i might just get abiwork and the "gnome office suite" to use
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| 17:00 | <vagrantc> slipttees: i need to know what you put in your lts.conf to help you.
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| 17:00 | slipttees: did you modify X_HORZSYNC and X_VERTREFRESH ?
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| 17:01 | <slipttees> vagrantc, swim, you had taken off it!
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| 17:01 | <vagrantc> dougb: all other applications open normally? that's bizzarre.
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| 17:01 | <slipttees> lts.conf does not exist!
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| 17:02 | <vagrantc> slipttees: that's normal.
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| 17:02 | <slipttees> NO
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| 17:02 | <vagrantc> slipttees: you only need it if you need to change something.
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| 17:02 | for ltsp5 in ubuntu
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| 17:03 | <slipttees> why ltsp4.2 set up defaults
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| 17:03 | <vagrantc> slipttees: and it sounds like you need to change something.
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| 17:03 | <slipttees> i have too problems with the sound!
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| 17:04 | <vagrantc> slipttees: probably best to fix one problem at a time
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| 17:04 | <slipttees> =
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| 17:04 | =/
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| 17:05 | I am on
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| 17:06 | ;)
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| 17:06 | <dougb> yeah vagrantc, it's crazy. i was using dapper, maybe i'll try out edgy and see what happens. i want to get something up and going for a proposal to move to linux using LTSP, and edubuntu seems the most logical since it will be implimented in a learning environment
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| 17:07 | <slipttees> simply, when I enter in the screen of login, I do not see absolutely nothing! it is seeming a blind person! after login, the resolution comes back pra "normal" 800x600
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| 17:08 | <vagrantc> slipttees: is the login screen 800x600 when you login, or just after it fails to log in?
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| 17:08 | <slipttees> after login
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| 17:09 | <vagrantc> slipttees: so you never are able to login?
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| 17:10 | <slipttees> eu fa?o o login, sem ver! ehehe
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| 17:10 | I make login, without seeing! ehehe
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| 17:10 | ;)
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| 17:11 | why this ltsp all automatico ?
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| 17:12 | why this ltsp all automatic ?
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| 17:12 | <vagrantc> slipttees: which version of ubuntu are you using?
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| 17:13 | <slipttees> ubuntu 6.10 edgy eft
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| 17:13 | to only complicate the life of the users! : (
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| 17:13 | still I prefer in the mode ltspadmin!
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| 17:16 | I find that all automatico leaves the staff who is "configuring" ltsp if to know of nothing... simply any staff without having knowledge can assemble a network ltsp! : (
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| 17:17 | <vagrantc> slipttees: there are plans to make tools similar to ltspadmin for ltsp5... but they are not yet done.
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| 17:17 | <slipttees> what it was to be easy was desktop of linux!
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| 17:17 | <vagrantc> slipttees: ltsp5 is still very new...
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| 17:18 | <slipttees> humm interesting!
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| 17:18 | <vagrantc> there are still some things to work out, but ltsp5 will have many advantages in the long term.
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| 17:20 | <slipttees> I find that it would be better to come back toward old metodo of pattern being used ltspadmin! e to take off this mode automatico and to come back the archives of pattern as it was in the other versions!
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| 17:22 | <vagrantc> the automatic stuff works for a lot of people.
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| 17:22 | <slipttees> sorry i am using program for translation pt-br for english!
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| 17:22 | <vagrantc> and the ltspadmin like stuff will be added latr.
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| 17:22 | later
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| 17:22 | <slipttees> then two metods ;)
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| 17:22 | <vagrantc> i think it will happen.
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| 17:23 | slipttees: it will improve with more time.
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| 17:23 | <cliebow_> slippttees:you Can create an lts.conf where you can make changes for each machine
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| 17:23 | * vagrantc thought that was explained, but it's probably worth repeating | |
| 17:25 | <slipttees> where this MAC address or IP to place there? , if is all automatic! :(
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| 17:25 | <vagrantc> slipttees: it is only automatic if nothing is defined in lts.conf
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| 17:25 | <slipttees> wont necessary add Mac Address in the dhcp.conf!
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| 17:26 | <vagrantc> slipttees: i would create an lts.conf and use the Mac Address there.
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| 17:26 | <slipttees> I prefer manual, this automatico mode complicate!
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| 17:26 | :(
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| 17:26 | <vagrantc> slipttees: it's just as manual.
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| 17:27 | slipttees: in fact, without ltspadmin, it's even *more* manual. :)
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| 17:28 | slipttees: but you can still set up the Mac Address in DHCP, and then specify the ip or hostname in lts.conf.
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| 17:28 | <slipttees> ltspconf created files, now :(
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| 17:28 | <vagrantc> but i think that is more complicated than just editing lts.conf to use the Mac Address.
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| 17:28 | <slipttees> where I see the MAC address, if it does not have as to see!
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| 17:29 | <vagrantc> slipttees: are you using ltspadmin on a machine with ltsp-server installed? that will very likely break things.
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| 17:29 | <slipttees> nope
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| 17:29 | <vagrantc> what is ltspconf ?
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| 17:30 | <jammcq> anybody seen sbalneav ?
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| 17:30 | <vagrantc> jammcq: good one :P
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| 17:30 | <jammcq> heh
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| 17:30 | <vagrantc> jammcq: we all miss sbalneav.
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| 17:30 | someday, legal aid will let him play with us again.
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| 17:31 | <jammcq> i'm calling him now. we need to get a paper submitted for FISL-8, and today is the deadline
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| 17:31 | voicemail :(
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| 17:32 | <slipttees> vagrantc, ltspconf is for creating the archives of configura??o(dhcp.conf, lts.conf, host, conf, host.allow, etc..) of the old versions of ltsp
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| 17:32 | configuration*
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| 17:32 | <vagrantc> slipttees: you're not trying to use ltspconf to configure ltsp5?
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| 17:33 | <slipttees> doesn't exists
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| 17:33 | <vagrantc> ok.
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| 17:34 | <slipttees> only ltspserver-build-client
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| 17:34 | opss
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| 17:34 | <vagrantc> slipttees: so, you can get mac addresses from dhcp's log files, or log on to the terminal.
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| 17:34 | <slipttees> ltsp-build-client
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| 17:34 | tail -f /var/log/syslog ?
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| 17:35 | <vagrantc> slipttees: and then put lines like [00:60:1D:F0:A3:FD] in lts.conf, followed by any configuration options you want to set.
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| 17:35 | slipttees: yes, they should be in there.
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| 17:35 | <slipttees> you they had not changed the parameters of lts.conf
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| 17:35 | ??
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| 17:35 | <vagrantc> slipttees: could you say that a little differently?
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| 17:37 | <slipttees> much thing! why in wiki of ltsp, it does not speak but on these patterns of ltsp5... it has people that you the similar one to use for test!
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| 17:38 | <vagrantc> slipttees: you can put lines like this:
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| 17:38 | [00:60:1D:F0:A3:FD]
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| 17:38 | X_HORZSYNC=28-40
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| 17:38 | X_VERTREFRESH=43-60
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| 17:39 | <slipttees> monitors 14' and 15' pol
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| 17:40 | <vagrantc> slipttees: to see all the supported parameters for ubuntu, look in /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/share/doc/ltsp-client/examples/lts-parameters.txt
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| 17:40 | <slipttees> like this?
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| 17:40 | [192.168.11.3]
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| 17:40 | XSERVER = vesa # --> Placa de v?deo
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| 17:40 | X_MODE_0 = 800x600 # --> Resolu??o de v?deo
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| 17:40 | X_MODE_1 = 800x600 40 800 840 968 1056 600 601 605 628 +hsync +vsync
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| 17:40 | X_VERTREFRESH = 60 #(Refresh rate)
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| 17:40 | X_COLOR_DEPTH = 16 # --> Cor usada pelo o monitor
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| 17:41 | USE_NBD_SWAP = Y # --> Usar swap via rede
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| 17:41 | XkbModel = abnt2
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| 17:41 | XkbLayout = br
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| 17:41 | sorry flood guys!
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| 17:41 | <vagrantc> that should work, though i would use the Mac Address instead of ip, so you don't have to edit dhcp.conf
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| 17:41 | slipttees: actually, i think the X_MODE_1 doesn't work like that.
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| 17:41 | <slipttees> then Mac!
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| 17:41 | <vagrantc> slipttees: for ltsp5
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| 17:42 | <slipttees> :(
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| 17:42 | my monitors is very old!
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| 17:42 | <vagrantc> slipttees: and USE_NBD_SWAP is now NBD_SWAP
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| 17:42 | slipttees: what part of brazil are you from?
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| 17:43 | <slipttees> yep
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| 17:43 | <vagrantc> slipttees: i know a few people who work on ltsp from brazil.
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| 17:43 | <slipttees> :)
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| 17:43 | how ?
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| 17:44 | <cliebow_> who?
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| 17:44 | <vagrantc> well, i went to the debian conference and FISL in porto allegre in 2004
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| 17:45 | <slipttees> :)
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| 17:45 | i am ceara
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| 17:45 | <vagrantc> cliebow_: a few debian folks ... otavio, stratus and tiagovaz
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| 17:46 | <slipttees> I do not know, I work for the CDI
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| 17:46 | <vagrantc> pt_BR was the first non-english language supported by debian's ltsp :)
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| 17:46 | <slipttees> www.cdi.org.br
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| 17:46 | <vagrantc> and another people works for the telecentre project in sau paulo
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| 17:47 | <slipttees> :)
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| 17:47 | CDI works all in the Brazil
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| 17:48 | you know Fortaleza?
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| 17:48 | <vagrantc> slipttees: CDI sounds very cool!
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| 17:48 | <slipttees> :)
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| 17:49 | <cliebow_> i was just translating 8~)
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| 17:49 | <slipttees> :)
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| 17:49 | * vagrantc clicked on the "English" link. :) | |
| 17:50 | <cliebow_> ;
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| 18:10 | <slipttees> look this ;)
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| 18:10 | http://img444.imageshack.us/img444/5628/ltspgq5.jpg
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| 18:11 | ;)
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| 19:10 | <jammcq> Scotty !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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| 19:10 | <sbalneav> Hey jammc!
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| 19:10 | <jammcq> how u doin?
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| 19:10 | <sbalneav> q
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| 19:10 | Tired, but surviving :)
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| 19:10 | <jammcq> heh
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| 19:11 | <sbalneav> So! I'm thinking something along the lines of "Challenges of remote device support in a thin client enviornment", and talking about sound, localdev, etc.
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| 19:11 | <jammcq> cool
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| 19:11 | <vagrantc> sbalneav: hi!!!
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| 19:11 | <sbalneav> Hey vagrantc
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| 19:12 | <vagrantc> sbalneav: will legal aide manitoba let you play with us ever again? :)
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| 19:13 | <sbalneav> vagrantc: heh, the last 3 weeks were heck on wheels. I'm beginning to get my head above water now.
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| 19:14 | Go-live, while not a staggering success, was, with a lot of work by me and my co-worker, not an abject failure.
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| 19:19 | <vagrantc> sbalneav: due to bugs in my initial implementation of ltspfs in debian (which is now in debian/unstable, by the way) i realized that you can use ltspfs to export mounted filesystems, too.
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| 19:20 | sbalneav: and i have this camera that requires gphotofs (another fuse-based filesystem), and was wondering how to get it working with ltspfs...
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| 19:20 | i think there are a fair number of cameras that work that way...
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| 19:22 | <sbalneav> Hmmm, gphotofs
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| 19:22 | That's fuse-based, if I'm correct, yes?
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| 19:26 | <vagrantc> yeah, hence the fuse-based mention in my comments :)
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| 19:27 | the way ltspfsd exports devices without mouting them sort of blows my mind...
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| 19:27 | er, exports filesystems without mounting them ...
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| 19:28 | <sbalneav> Wel, fuse file systems stack easy, so, what we'd need is some udev magic to mount the gphotofs filesystem fiirst.
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| 19:30 | <vagrantc> yeah, that's what i figured we needed to do somehow...
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| 19:55 | <cliebow_> sbalneav:I would Really like to hear your talk..can you have it taped?
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| 19:55 | <jammcq> cliebow_: I think the talks will all be taped
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| 19:56 | <cliebow_> jammcq:lemme know how to access them..when the time comes?
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| 19:57 | <jammcq> sure
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| 19:57 | <cliebow_> 8~)
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| 20:01 | <rjune> sbalneav: where you at?
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| 20:02 | or rather, what talks are going to be taped?
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| 20:03 | <cliebow_> jammcq saya all will be taped
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| 20:05 | <jammcq> I think they will be
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| 20:05 | i'm pretty sure they were taped last year
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| 21:29 | <moquist> Can anybody in here give me a leg up in writing a .deb postinst script for edubuntu-auth-server? It's not obvious to me how the postinst.ex file that dh_make gives me is related to the package.postinst file that ends up in a debian source package.
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| 21:30 | <vagrantc> moquist: it becomes the package.postinst
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| 21:31 | moquist: the DEBHELPER bits get replaced with debhelper stuff if left there.
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| 21:31 | <moquist> vagrantc: OK, that was one of my guesses. I guess I just picked a poor example source package, then, because ltsp-client-builder.postinst doesn't have the case statement that is almost the entire content of postinst.ex, so I wasn't sure what was going on...
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| 21:31 | vagrantc: Hmm. OK.
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| 21:32 | <vagrantc> moquist: ltsp-client-builder is actually a .udeb, so it's a little different than your typical .deb
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| 21:32 | <moquist> So I should just use the /usr/share/debconf/confmodule stuff to ask what I need to, munge what I need to, and modify config files as necessary.
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| 21:32 | vagrantc: Oh. OK.
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| 21:33 | <vagrantc> moquist: most questions should be asked in the .config script
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| 21:33 | moquist: postinst should just query the debconf database to get the answers.
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| 21:33 | <moquist> vagrantc: and thanks for taking pity on a poor packaging newbie. :)
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| 21:33 | * moquist nods | |
| 21:33 | <vagrantc> that way, it's easier to pre-ask questions before the time-intensive parts of package installation even happen.
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| 21:34 | * moquist nods | |
| 21:35 | <vagrantc> and, while you can just have debian/postinst for a single-binary(.deb) source package, i still prefer debian/packagename.postinst just to keep things clear. most, if not all tools should be able to handle that.
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| 21:35 | and it also means less work if you suddenly realize you want two packages.
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| 21:36 | moquist: i'm a big fan of skillsharing :)
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| 21:38 | <moquist> libpam-ldap has a config script, so I'm checking that out.
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| 21:38 | vagrantc: on the phone with Dad ATM...
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| 21:38 | * vagrantc probably has to go to sleep early... starting a new job tomorrow. | |
| 21:39 | <moquist> vagrantc: !! congrats!
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| 21:39 | <vagrantc> heh. it may mean less time for ltsp, though :(
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| 21:40 | <jammcq> new job?
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| 21:40 | <vagrantc> though it's only part time, that time is very keyboard-intensive... *sigh*
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| 22:10 | <moquist> vagrantc: good luck, then.
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| 22:13 | <vagrantc> jammcq: yeah. i've dragged my feet long enough. but the whole eating and roof thing is starting to put the pressure on... :)
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| 23:19 | <krinns_> gdm[4767]: (child 5398) gdm_slave_alrm_handler: ws130.ltsp:0 got ARLM signal, to ping display
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| 23:19 | any idea what this error mean
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